Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2/Covid-19 Megathread

[crazy canuck]

1.6, .3 and .2 respectively.  Yuck.

What do you mean, those are stellar numbers

Now 3.9, 1.3 and 1 - now you start to think about taking social distancing seriously 

[alfred russel]

What do you mean this time, its been happening the whole time.  But go rock climbing by all means possible.

I've been going rock climbing. I went indoor climbing last night. I'm going indoor climbing tomorrow.

The climbing seasons here are spring and fall--the winter is too cold, and the summer is too hot. The absurdity is that I spent the winter training for the spring season, Covid 19 comes and shuts everything down right at the start of the climbing season, and then as the weather starts to heat up everything opens back up--indoor and outdoor. In fact indoor opened up before a lot of the outdoor locations (almost certainly because those are businesses that bring in dollars).

[alfred russel]

Yeah, there are a number of troubling states.  Washington State is another example.  The difference with Florida is the governors in those other states are acknowledging it is serious and are generally trying to do something about it.  It is one of the reasons I think there is something more systemic going on.  Washington State has done pretty much the same thing BC has done and more.  But their results are terrible.  We have a lot in common but the biggest difference I can think of is our health care systems.  That, in the end, could be where the US really fails.  Once someone loses their job they lose their medical insurance and Washington state is an "at will" state meaning an employer can terminate any time they want..

Florida's deaths per million: 152.9
Washington's deaths per million: 168.7
Canada's deaths per million: 228.9

[The Larch]

Tool to calculate how fucked up you'll be if you get Covid.

http://evidence.ohdsi.org:3838/Covid19CoverPrediction/

I get:

1.2% to get hospitalized
0.3% of needing intensive care
0.1% of kicking the bucket

Same.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, there are a number of troubling states.  Washington State is another example.  The difference with Florida is the governors in those other states are acknowledging it is serious and are generally trying to do something about it.  It is one of the reasons I think there is something more systemic going on.  Washington State has done pretty much the same thing BC has done and more.  But their results are terrible.  We have a lot in common but the biggest difference I can think of is our health care systems.  That, in the end, could be where the US really fails.  Once someone loses their job they lose their medical insurance and Washington state is an "at will" state meaning an employer can terminate any time they want..

Florida's deaths per million: 152.9
Washington's deaths per million: 168.7
Canada's deaths per million: 228.9

Since I was comparing BC with Washington State

perhaps you should consider the comparison I actually made.

[Zanza]

First time this year meeting with nine friends in the beer garden today. It was really crowded. But it's a bit of normal life and feels really good.

[alfred russel]

Yeah, there are a number of troubling states.  Washington State is another example.  The difference with Florida is the governors in those other states are acknowledging it is serious and are generally trying to do something about it.  It is one of the reasons I think there is something more systemic going on.  Washington State has done pretty much the same thing BC has done and more.  But their results are terrible.  We have a lot in common but the biggest difference I can think of is our health care systems.  That, in the end, could be where the US really fails.  Once someone loses their job they lose their medical insurance and Washington state is an "at will" state meaning an employer can terminate any time they want..

Florida's deaths per million: 152.9
Washington's deaths per million: 168.7
Canada's deaths per million: 228.9

Since I was comparing BC with Washington State

perhaps you should consider the comparison I actually made.

Province information isn't readily available where I was looking at the data, but BC is at 34 deaths per million. That is really good.

Considering that you are attributing the difference to the health care systems and at will employment, why do you think that the rest of Canada is so bad?

[crazy canuck]

Considering that you are attributing the difference to the health care systems and at will employment, why do you think that the rest of Canada is so bad?

I am not sure, but comparisons with Quebec and Ontario are not particularly useful given how different they are from BC.

I think it is more useful to compare provinces with states that are more similar in terms of population, urban density and geography.

[HVC]

Considering that you are attributing the difference to the health care systems and at will employment, why do you think that the rest of Canada is so bad?

For Ontario we have really crappy old age care. From may but I assume still relevant https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ontario-deaths-from-covid-19-concentrated-in-those-above-80

just a little more than 200 deaths from the coronavirus across the province had occurred outside of long-term care facilities or retirement homes.

On Wednesday, the province reported 1,429 deaths from COVID-19. Of those deaths, 152 had occurred in retirement homes and 1,074 in long-term care facilities. That leaves just 203 in the wider community between the end of January when the first cases appeared and May 6 when these numbers were reported.

[Barrister]

Yeah, there are a number of troubling states.  Washington State is another example.  The difference with Florida is the governors in those other states are acknowledging it is serious and are generally trying to do something about it.  It is one of the reasons I think there is something more systemic going on.  Washington State has done pretty much the same thing BC has done and more.  But their results are terrible.  We have a lot in common but the biggest difference I can think of is our health care systems.  That, in the end, could be where the US really fails.  Once someone loses their job they lose their medical insurance and Washington state is an "at will" state meaning an employer can terminate any time they want..

Florida's deaths per million: 152.9
Washington's deaths per million: 168.7
Canada's deaths per million: 228.9

Since I was comparing BC with Washington State

perhaps you should consider the comparison I actually made.

Province information isn't readily available where I was looking at the data, but BC is at 34 deaths per million. That is really good.

Considering that you are attributing the difference to the health care systems and at will employment, why do you think that the rest of Canada is so bad?

I can't really say why, but it's really Quebec driving Canada's bad numbers.

[Zoupa]

Yeah. No idea why either. Has to have something to do with more european transit.

[Grey Fox]

Usually, they blame our earlier spring break & european transit. Quebec death rate per million is akin to the UKs. 637/million.

But that is in the past, the 1st wave is ending here.

Quebec's data can be found here : https://www.inspq.qc.ca/covid-19/donnees

[HisMajestyBOB]

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-scientist-state-stopped-tracking-icu-beds-ahead-july-4-2020-6

Jones also said multiple Department of Health sources have told her they've been instructed this week to change coronavirus numbers by "deleting deaths and cases" so it looks like Florida is improving ahead of July 4.

I bet Florida's official coronavirus numbers will continue to look surprisingly good.

[crazy canuck]

The secret of Florida's success!

[Zoupa]

The secret of Florida's success!

There you go being all alarmist again! Everything is fine!!!11!1!!one!!!1