BLM: Israel guilty of genocide of Palestinians, stop US aid

[HVC]

The rocking motion causes people to piss on the floor. No bathrooms on trains!!!

[Razgovory]

It's not. It's just that the idea of a political group of African-Americans haunts the nightmares of white supremacists.

Is it possible to be critical of the BLM without being a white supremacist?

[Valmy]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

Most empires in world history have thrived on this simply not being true.

Well actually I don't know if that was true but the Roman and British Empires did by design.

[HVC]

A suppressed minority somewhere else. A suppressed minority at home makes you feel better. "At least I'm better than *blank*" is common enough.

[Malthus]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

The issue is the particularity of the choice of "repressed minority" to fell sympathy with. Seems strangely coincidental that it just happens to be the same sympathies that already exist as well-organized movements. 

[garbon]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

The issue is the particularity of the choice of "repressed minority" to fell sympathy with. Seems strangely coincidental that it just happens to be the same sympathies that already exist as well-organized movements. 

Yeah, it is just folding in strands of leftist thought that already existed ahead of the movement.

[garbon]

I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong, but it just seems to make sense to me. They can see parallels in wrongful deaths (as seen by BLM) being perpetrated by a western governing body and have a sense of similarity of the situation.


As for the LBGT community it seems to have grown very amorphous. Don't know why that is but it seems odd as many of the issues don't seem to overlap well. Things like trains bathroom rights seem to cause a lot of dissension. I guess it made sense to have as large a lobby group as possible in the start to effect more change, but I'm just grasping at straws with that.

For what it's worth, I think everybody should have a right to use bathrooms on trains.

[HVC]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

The issue is the particularity of the choice of "repressed minority" to fell sympathy with. Seems strangely coincidental that it just happens to be the same sympathies that already exist as well-organized movements. 

Not many other western nations have the same dynamic as Israel. Or at least as well documented and publicized. Are there many black liberal movements involved within protesting Israel? Or maybe I'm making a mistake of segregating black political movements from the overall liberal movements.

[garbon]

I'm more than willing to admit I'm wrong, but it just seems to make sense to me. They can see parallels in wrongful deaths (as seen by BLM) being perpetrated by a western governing body and have a sense of similarity of the situation.


As for the LBGT community it seems to have grown very amorphous. Don't know why that is but it seems odd as many of the issues don't seem to overlap well. Things like trains bathroom rights seem to cause a lot of dissension. I guess it made sense to have as large a lobby group as possible in the start to effect more change, but I'm just grasping at straws with that.

For what it's worth, I think everybody should have a right to use bathrooms on trains.

Yeah I think Malthus and garbon are closer to truth than HVC. In fact the "crossectionality" is one of the attempts by activists to create a sort of big tent where there is none.

I've never seen it that way. I've always thought it was something like how there once was a tent of feminism but when black feminists finally got a voice they said that the issues of 'feminism' were really just issues of 'white feminism.' (for ex. black women weren't worried about getting work, they'd long been breadwinners for their families) It was important to see how other things like race intersected with women's issues to understand what was being addressed.

[Malthus]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

The issue is the particularity of the choice of "repressed minority" to fell sympathy with. Seems strangely coincidental that it just happens to be the same sympathies that already exist as well-organized movements. 

Not many other western nations have the same dynamic as Israel. Or at least as well documented and publicized. Are there many black liberal movements involved within protesting Israel? Or maybe I'm making a mistake of segregating black political movements from the overall liberal movements.

The latter.

In some "progressive" circles, criticism of Israel is practically a badge of membership.

Therefore, it is not a surprise that activist groups apparently devoted to all sorts of completely different causes mirror this.

The go-to example is gay activist groups. They are sometime rabidly anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian, which makes literally odd bedfellows, given the different approach to gay rights actually available in Israel versus Palestine (many gay Palestinians are killed by fellow Palestinians, while Tel Aviv is a bit of a gay centre).

[CountDeMoney]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

I don't see why that's true. It is the mistake that keeps LGBT together these days even though T doesn't really seem to fit in same paradigm.

It certainly fits better than the B part. 

[CountDeMoney]

Is being more Jewish than CDM your new shtick? 

Oy gevalt!   

Would it make any difference than Rand Paul supports ending US aid to Israel, too? As do right-wing nutters?  As well as the bulldozer grease industry?

[garbon]

I think it's simpler than that. If you feel like you're a repressed minority then you'd feel some sympathy for another repressed minority.

I don't see why that's true. It is the mistake that keeps LGBT together these days even though T doesn't really seem to fit in same paradigm.

It certainly fits better than the B part. 

Nah. B is often a transitional stage to gaytown. T has little to do with that / by its very nature sort of assumes more strict gender roles (if one can intrinsically feel like the wrong gender then there is something more to gender than just social norms) than the loose conception of gender roles that G and L strive for.

[The Minsky Moment]

That's it.  No more funding for the Bureau of Land Management.  Let those freaky ranchers run wild.

[The Minsky Moment]

supremacist 

I do not think that word means what you think it means

In fact the only country I can think of with similar law-enshrined discriminatory treatment based on race is apartheid South Africa.

And post-apartheid South Africa.