Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

Started by Josquius, February 20, 2016, 07:46:34 AM

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How would you vote on Britain remaining in the EU?

British- Remain
12 (12%)
British - Leave
7 (7%)
Other European - Remain
21 (21%)
Other European - Leave
6 (6%)
ROTW - Remain
34 (34%)
ROTW - Leave
20 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 98

Razgovory

Quote from: mongers on March 23, 2019, 10:22:34 PM
There are rumours (also newspaper headlines) that some cabinet ministers are preparing to oust May and replace her with a 'caretaker' PM.

:rolleyes:


I thought she was a caretaker.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

A caretaker isn't much use in a time of crisis.

Zoupa

What would changing PM now do?

You're crashing out in days. The EU is not going to magically offer a better deal to a new PM just because it's not May.

Admiral Yi

All these people throwing out ideas are operating on the exact same assumption: that doing what they say will make a majority of MPs vote in favor of their personal preferred outcome.

Admiral Yi

Here's my super genius proposal that will solve everything:

May announces she will resign as PM if her deal gets voted in.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 24, 2019, 01:06:34 AM
Here's my super genius proposal that will solve everything:

May announces she will resign as PM if her deal gets voted in.


How will that help?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Tamas

He's a comedian with a fake newscast act, but still:
https://youtu.be/-IL2XwSkFJQ?t=1


PJL

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 24, 2019, 01:06:34 AM
Here's my super genius proposal that will solve everything:

May announces she will resign as PM if her deal gets voted in.

That was the deal I think up until last week. Things have moved on since then. Increasingly people think May is the reason for the impasse (I can understand that, but not sure that's 100% the case either). Now it's May needs to go for the good of the country.

I think the best outcome for her now is to step down for 'medical' reasons.

Iormlund

She is the reason. She's blocking anything that is not her deal.

Tamas

Quote from: Iormlund on March 24, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
She is the reason. She's blocking anything that is not her deal.

Well, the problem is that her deal is The Deal, as far as the EU is concerned, and with good reason from their point of view.

The whole thing should have been done differently from the start and that's where May's grave responsibility lies. Parliament should have done debates and indicative votes to work out their preference, then A50 should have been triggered. But May -it has become quite clear now- is really not the kind to negotiate and compromise.

Josquius

That's why we need a referendum on her deal or call the whole thing off.
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PJL

Given the coup is off. I still expect MV3 to go ahead. If it fails then I expect May will maneuver in such a way as to make no deal or revoke inevitable, and then decide No Deal is the least bad option for her politically.

Iormlund

Quote from: Tamas on March 24, 2019, 11:38:47 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 24, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
She is the reason. She's blocking anything that is not her deal.

Well, the problem is that her deal is The Deal, as far as the EU is concerned, and with good reason from their point of view.

I suspect the EU would likely welcome a second, unambiguous referendum at this point.

Tamas

Quote from: Iormlund on March 24, 2019, 03:07:15 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 24, 2019, 11:38:47 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 24, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
She is the reason. She's blocking anything that is not her deal.

Well, the problem is that her deal is The Deal, as far as the EU is concerned, and with good reason from their point of view.

I suspect the EU would likely welcome a second, unambiguous referendum at this point.

I don't think the EU needs this festering wound for years on end. Once Brexit is final they can forget about it. If the UK stays it will remain a topic and an issue for years on end.

Josquius

So it seems the peoples vote has moved a step closer.
That's good.

And if there is any doubt about which side are the baddies in all this...
https://www.thenational.scot/politics/thejouker/17526351.a-group-of-brexiteers-are-actually-calling-themselves-the-grand-wizards/
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