Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Valmy]

When do they vote on no deal Brexit?

Tomorrow. Another no, I'm sure.

I will be interested to see the margin.

[garbon]

Yeah tomorrow is no deal. If that were to fail, Thursday is vote on extension....

[Syt]

Yeah tomorrow is no deal. If that were to fail, Thursday is vote on extension....

And if that fails too, then I suggest that we put the UK under UN administration, because the country is unable to govern itself. 

[Zoupa]

I'm not sure why the Eu would accept an extension past the european elections. Those are in may of this year.

[ulmont]

I'm not sure why the Eu would accept an extension past the european elections. Those are in may of this year.

1. The EU doesn't want to look like the bad guy here, to the extent practical.
2. There's some thought on the Tory side that not going for no-deal might mean the UK stays in the EU indefinitely.  So really I'd think either you do a 2-month extension only or you have to go for a year or two, but nothing in the middle.

[Razgovory]

I had read that Macron is interested in seeing Brexit hurting the UK.  Not out of spite, but as warning as to what could happen if LePen get's elected.




May may go down in history as a worse PM than Anthony Eden.

[Valmy]

2. There's some thought on the Tory side that not going for no-deal might mean the UK stays in the EU indefinitely.

I had the same thought. Hence my previous question. Tomorrow will be interesting.

[mongers]

I had read that Macron is interested in seeing Brexit hurting the UK.  Not out of spite, but as warning as to what could happen if LePen get's elected.




May may go down in history as a worse PM than Anthony Eden.

I'm assuming you've got Cameron marked as the worst modern one?

I wouldn't say May necessarily goes down as worse than Eden, as his crisis was largely of his own making.
On the other hand, May choose to sup from the poisoned challis of Brexit, something someone had to do.  Not that she's made a good job of it, but I think nearly everyone would have messed it up given the nature of the current parliament.

[Valmy]

There is a certain kind of logic behind all of her choices, I think.

However, if I were her once that election backfired I would have resigned. She needed that larger majority to get any deal done.

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah tomorrow is no deal. If that were to fail, Thursday is vote on extension....

Calling the Marquis de Condorcet . . .

[Josquius]

Today is the danger day. If this goes the right way we should be in the clear to delay. Which opens up lots of opportunities and is a very good thing (tm).
Which is what makes it so dangerous.

[Tamas]

Today is the danger day. If this goes the right way we should be in the clear to delay. Which opens up lots of opportunities and is a very good thing (tm).
Which is what makes it so dangerous.

Actually, I can totally see these short-sighted imbicles say no both to no-deal today, and the extension tomorrow.


One thing to worry about is that the Brexit secretary this morning put today's vote in the potential context of no-deal vs no-brexit, in which case -he declared- he'd prefer no deal.

[Tamas]

Guy Verhofstadt:

I don't want a long extension. I say that very openly. An extension, where we go beyond the European elections, and the European elections will be hijacked by the Brexiters, and by the whole Brexit issues. We will talk only about that, and not about the real problems, and the real reforms we need in the European Union.

The only thing we will do, we will give a new mandate to Mr Farage. That's exactly wants. Why he wants that? For two reasons. First of all, he can continue to have a salary that he can transfer to his offshore company. And the second thing is that he can continue to do his dirty work in the European Union, that is to try to destroy the European Union from within ...

What we need is now certainty from the House of Commons ... And so I am against every extension, whether an extension of one day, one week, even 24 hours, if it is not based on a clear opinion of the House of Commons for something, that we know what they want.

[Razgovory]

I had read that Macron is interested in seeing Brexit hurting the UK.  Not out of spite, but as warning as to what could happen if LePen get's elected.




May may go down in history as a worse PM than Anthony Eden.

I'm assuming you've got Cameron marked as the worst modern one?

I wouldn't say May necessarily goes down as worse than Eden, as his crisis was largely of his own making.
On the other hand, May choose to sup from the poisoned challis of Brexit, something someone had to do.  Not that she's made a good job of it, but I think nearly everyone would have messed it up given the nature of the current parliament.

Crisis is what what reveals good leaders from bad ones.  I see May as an extension of Cameron's bad policy.  The view from over here is that everything in British politics is all fucked up.  I have a strong aversion to Corbyn and the antisemitism in the Labor party but I couldn't vote for the the maliciousness and incompetence of the Tories.  If I was a British citizen (or are you guys called subjects?  I don't know), I would be that most reviled thing, a Blairite.  Honestly, I don't know if I'd even vote at all.

[celedhring]

Guy Verhofstadt:

I don't want a long extension. I say that very openly. An extension, where we go beyond the European elections, and the European elections will be hijacked by the Brexiters, and by the whole Brexit issues. We will talk only about that, and not about the real problems, and the real reforms we need in the European Union.

The only thing we will do, we will give a new mandate to Mr Farage. That's exactly wants. Why he wants that? For two reasons. First of all, he can continue to have a salary that he can transfer to his offshore company. And the second thing is that he can continue to do his dirty work in the European Union, that is to try to destroy the European Union from within ...

What we need is now certainty from the House of Commons ... And so I am against every extension, whether an extension of one day, one week, even 24 hours, if it is not based on a clear opinion of the House of Commons for something, that we know what they want.

His language is a bit strong, but he's true in the sense that postponing Brexit past the European election would be a political head-scratcher.

Our Foreign Minister has also expressed willingness to give an extension if there's a plan, and no later than the European election too.