Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[The Brain]

Serious question, not just my bias speaking here- but is May the most anti democratic prime minister of modern times?
Just shocking how much she is pissing over our institutions.

I'm not sure the UK would survive any more democracy. Brexit is quite enough, thank you!

[Josquius]

Andy Serkis video as Gollum/Theresa May 

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1072054691826204673

I wasn't expecting much.
But

[Zanza]

Serious question, not just my bias speaking here- but is May the most anti democratic prime minister of modern times?
Just shocking how much she is pissing over our institutions.

For someone who is ostensibly "taking back control" over British laws from the EU for parliament, she is rather often in contempt of it as an institution. First she stated that the advisory referendum binds the sovereign parliament, then Gina Miller and the Supreme Court had to force her to give parliament any say in triggering Brexit, then the Henry VIII powers for administration legislating, then she fought the meaningful vote, then she delayed the no deal impact reports, then the legal advice and now makes the meaningful vote impossible. Her whole way of handling Brexit was opaque and had a quite authoritarian streak.

[mongers]

I've not yet got the courage to watch today's news. 

[Josquius]

The thing is, the best way to understand Theresa May's predicament is to imagine that 52 percent of Britain had voted that the government should build a submarine out of cheese.

Now, Theresa May was initially against building a submarine out of cheese, obviously. Because it's a completely insane thing to do.

However, in order to become PM, she had to pretend that she thought building a submarine out of cheese was fine and could totally work.

"Cheese means cheese," she told us all, madly.

Then she actually built one.

It's shit. Of course it is. For God's sake, are you stupid? It's a submarine built out of cheese.

So now, having built a shi* cheese submarine, she has to put up with both Labour and Tory Brexiters insisting that a less shi* cheese submarine could have been built.

They're all lying, and they know it. So does everybody else. We've covered this already, I know, but it's cheese and it's a submarine.

How good could it possibly be?

Only she can't call them out on this. Because she has spent the past two years also lying, by pretending she really could build a decent submarine out of cheese.

So that's where we are.

On balance, I this analogy works fine, perhaps except for the submarine and cheese parts, which need a little work.

[Iormlund]

 

[Barrister]

Meh.  The problem isn't that Brexit is impossible.  It clearly is possible, and appears still likely to happen.

The problem is that it's going to require some degree of sacrifice.  Britain won't be able to get everything that it wants.  You're either going to have to follow some level of EU regulatory control, or have allow free movement, or allow a hard border in Ireland.

[Iormlund]

 
Building a cheese submarine is not impossible either.

[chipwich]

Serious question, not just my bias speaking here- but is May the most anti democratic prime minister of modern times?
Just shocking how much she is pissing over our institutions.

The British have a schizophrenic idea of democracy so saying she is anti-democratic is meaningless. If you want your institutions to matter write down your constitution. Hammurabi figured that shit out a billion years ago.

[Valmy]

Meh.  The problem isn't that Brexit is impossible.  It clearly is possible, and appears still likely to happen.

The problem is that Brexit is a disastrous policy.

[mongers]

Don't worry chaps, it's all going swimmingly. 

[The Minsky Moment]

Building a cheese submarine is not impossible either.

Right use something hard like Manchego for the outside parts, then some softer French or Italian cheeses for the crew quarters.  Only problem is importing all that continental cheese after a no deal Brexit.

[Richard Hakluyt]

May will face a vote of no confidence in her role as tory leader :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46535739

[Syt]

Tory leader. Ok. Would it be very weird to not be party leader but still be PM?

[Tamas]

OMG this train wreck would be so fascinating to watch if I wasn't sitting on it.