Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[Valmy]

I didn't get a job in Canada because I'm a fucking white male. Women/minorities only.

Canada gave Justin Trudeau a job. There is hope for you yet!

[Ed Anger]

I didn't get a job in Canada because I'm a fucking white male. Women/minorities only.

At least you are fucking. 

[Zanza]

I don't see why the pressure is on the UK.  I think Sheilbh's suggestion is an eminently sound one, and don't see why Tamas is arguing that this would sacrifice a "huge advantage" for the EU.  You agree with Tamas but don't explain why.  What is the huge advantage?

If you don't see why the pressure is on the UK it's clear that you also don't get the follow on argument that Tamas made.

In other words, you can't answer my question, but don't want to admit it so you claim that i cannot understand the answer you cannot articulate! 

That's kinda what I thought.  Intellectual responses just don't feel good enough for you?

No. You are arguing from a different premise than me and Tamas and thus come to different conclusions. That's ok, but unless you are willing to engage with our premise, namely that the UK has more to lose and thus is under higher pressure, you'll not follow the rest of our argument either.

[OttoVonBismarck]

It's best not to engage with grumbler when he gets like that, usually in a few weeks he'll be better.

[garbon]

I didn't get a job in Canada because I'm a fucking white male. Women/minorities only.

At least you are fucking. 

Besides Marti and Gral, who isn't?

[Zanza]

It's best not to engage with grumbler when he gets like that, usually in a few weeks he'll be better.

It's ok. His argument is valid in his frame of reference. It's just that it has little to with the real world.

[garbon]

I don't see why the pressure is on the UK.  I think Sheilbh's suggestion is an eminently sound one, and don't see why Tamas is arguing that this would sacrifice a "huge advantage" for the EU.  You agree with Tamas but don't explain why.  What is the huge advantage?

If you don't see why the pressure is on the UK it's clear that you also don't get the follow on argument that Tamas made.

In other words, you can't answer my question, but don't want to admit it so you claim that i cannot understand the answer you cannot articulate! 

That's kinda what I thought.  Intellectual responses just don't feel good enough for you?

No. You are arguing from a different premise than me and Tamas and thus come to different conclusions. That's ok, but unless you are willing to engage with our premise, namely that the UK has more to lose and thus is under higher pressure, you'll not follow the rest of our argument either.

I don't think the Uk is under all that much pressure. See Euro threatening for article 50 to be triggered and UK chilling.

[Valmy]

I am imagining the Charleston Mercury instead printing a headline 'THE UNION IS DISSOLVED at some convenient point in the future'

[Richard Hakluyt]

Would have saved a lot of death and destruction.

[garbon]

Phew. Eagle is out.

[Richard Hakluyt]

She's been out for years garbon 

[garbon]

She's been out for years garbon 

I prefer not to think about female sexuality.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Oh.....sorry.......should have given trigger warning 

[Richard Hakluyt]

Some interesting legal shenanigans going on around brexit :

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/19/government-awaits-first-legal-opposition-to-brexit-in-high-court

[grumbler]

No. You are arguing from a different premise than me and Tamas and thus come to different conclusions. That's ok, but unless you are willing to engage with our premise, namely that the UK has more to lose and thus is under higher pressure, you'll not follow the rest of our argument either.

I am not starting with the conclusion, that is true.  I think it intellectual folly to build an argument on an unnecessary and potentially precisely-the-opposite-of-true premise.  I understand the emotional attraction of being able to select your data to fit your desired conclusion, but don't get your pretense that it is intellectually attractive.