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Started by OttoVonBismarck, February 13, 2016, 05:17:35 PM

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Jaron

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Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
When was the last time a nominee was not confirmed on purely philosophical grounds, as opposed to dirty laundry, as in Bork's case?

Bork wasn't nominated because of his illegal and unethical actions during Watergate.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Nixon's appointee Harrold Carswell was rejected due to his history as a known segregationist and white supremacy sympathizer in his early years.  I'd consider that philosophical grounds.

And yeah, Bork paid more for being the Last Man Standing during the Saturday Night Massacre than he did for his legal philosophy.

Baron von Schtinkenbutt

Quote from: Razgovory on February 16, 2016, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
When was the last time a nominee was not confirmed on purely philosophical grounds, as opposed to dirty laundry, as in Bork's case?

Bork wasn't nominated because of his illegal and unethical actions during Watergate.

That was Yi's point.  Bork had dirty laundry, which is why he was blocked.

The Brain

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 16, 2016, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 16, 2016, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
When was the last time a nominee was not confirmed on purely philosophical grounds, as opposed to dirty laundry, as in Bork's case?

Bork wasn't nominated because of his illegal and unethical actions during Watergate.

That was Yi's point.  Bork had dirty laundry, which is why he was blocked.

How can a nominee not have been nominated?
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The Minsky Moment

Bork getting borked was more than just Watergate payback.  Ideology had something to do with it.  He was very vocal, very influential, very political.  He made a convenient target for Senate Democrats looking to take shots at the administration.  Biden was the head of the judiciary committee at the time and a leading candidate for President in 88 (although the Kinnock thing knocked hin out soon afterwards)
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

grumbler

Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 16, 2016, 10:17:07 AM
And yeah, Bork paid more for being the Last Man Standing during the Saturday Night Massacre than he did for his legal philosophy.

I disagree.  I think that Bork's rejection of the Ninth Amendment's stance on un-enumerated rights was far more damaging than his actions during the Nixon Presidency.  Bork had even Republican senators voting against him, and they weren't interested in punishing him for the SNM.  Joe Biden did a decent job of keeping the hearings focused on judicial philosophy rather than political grandstanding.

Bork was a bad nominee and Reagan should have known better than to nominate him.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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OttoVonBismarck

I'm not convinced Bork was nominated by Reagan, this was 1987 and Reagan was always a hands off President, with early stages of Alzheimer's I doubt he really had any involvement in the process.

Martinus

I think Kennedy was nominated by Reagan in November of the year before Presidential elections, and then confirmed by the Senate in the elections year.

celedhring

Heh, just googled info on the Bork confirmation hearings; I had no idea that the "bork" Americanism stemmed from them.

Malthus

Quote from: celedhring on February 16, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Heh, just googled info on the Bork confirmation hearings; I had no idea that the "bork" Americanism stemmed from them.

I assumed it came from the Swedish Chef on the Muppets.  :P
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Jacob

Quote from: celedhring on February 16, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Heh, just googled info on the Bork confirmation hearings; I had no idea that the "bork" Americanism stemmed from them.

Huh... I thought it came from mistyping "broken" as "borken".

grumbler

Quote from: Malthus on February 16, 2016, 05:44:09 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 16, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Heh, just googled info on the Bork confirmation hearings; I had no idea that the "bork" Americanism stemmed from them.

I assumed it came from the Swedish Chef on the Muppets.  :P

The verb "to bork" comes from the nomination process (and is pretty much just a political term).  I think "bork!" as an exclamation does, indeed, come from the Swedish Chef.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Malthus

Quote from: grumbler on February 16, 2016, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 16, 2016, 05:44:09 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 16, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Heh, just googled info on the Bork confirmation hearings; I had no idea that the "bork" Americanism stemmed from them.

I assumed it came from the Swedish Chef on the Muppets.  :P

The verb "to bork" comes from the nomination process (and is pretty much just a political term).  I think "bork!" as an exclamation does, indeed, come from the Swedish Chef.

I know; I was making a lame joke confusing the two.  ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Razgovory

I keep seeing local on facebook say this is suspicious or "fishy".  Nothing raises the red flags like an overweight 79 year old man who was previously complaining that he was feeling badly dying in his sleep.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017