The Off Topic Topic

[frunk]

I don't think that was the point. Certainly that's part of deconstructing a superhero but I think a bigger component is whether or not super heroes are actually a good thing...and part of that stems from the fact that one of said heroes is superpowered.

That deconstruction is still undermined by having all of the superheroes be superpowered.  It's the difference between degree and contrast.  In Watchmen the comic the other superheroes can only dream of the kind of power over humans that Jon has.  In the movie they regularly physically impose their will on humans and the environment in ways that are impossible for real humans.

[garbon]

I don't think that was the point. Certainly that's part of deconstructing a superhero but I think a bigger component is whether or not super heroes are actually a good thing...and part of that stems from the fact that one of said heroes is superpowered.

That deconstruction is still undermined by having all of the superheroes be superpowered.  It's the difference between degree and contrast.  In Watchmen the comic the other superheroes can only dream of the kind of power over humans that Jon has.  In the movie they regularly physically impose their will on humans and the environment in ways that are impossible for real humans.

Not in such a manner that it'd be accurate to say Watchmen is a faithful movie that "completely misses the point by a wide margin".  The more salient point about deconstruction of heroes is still there even though the whole gang is now superpowered.

[Barrister]

I don't think that was the point. Certainly that's part of deconstructing a superhero but I think a bigger component is whether or not super heroes are actually a good thing...and part of that stems from the fact that one of said heroes is superpowered.

That deconstruction is still undermined by having all of the superheroes be superpowered.  It's the difference between degree and contrast.  In Watchmen the comic the other superheroes can only dream of the kind of power over humans that Jon has.  In the movie they regularly physically impose their will on humans and the environment in ways that are impossible for real humans.

I only watched Watchmen once, but I thought it was pretty fucking clear from the movie that only Jon had superpowers.

[garbon]

I don't think that was the point. Certainly that's part of deconstructing a superhero but I think a bigger component is whether or not super heroes are actually a good thing...and part of that stems from the fact that one of said heroes is superpowered.

That deconstruction is still undermined by having all of the superheroes be superpowered.  It's the difference between degree and contrast.  In Watchmen the comic the other superheroes can only dream of the kind of power over humans that Jon has.  In the movie they regularly physically impose their will on humans and the environment in ways that are impossible for real humans.

I only watched Watchmen once, but I thought it was pretty fucking clear from the movie that only Jon had superpowers.

The others just seemed highly trained but I wasn't going to dispute that as I don't actually remember if they did anything extraordinary.

[ulmont]

I only watched Watchmen once, but I thought it was pretty fucking clear from the movie that only Jon had superpowers.

The others just seemed highly trained but I wasn't going to dispute that as I don't actually remember if they did anything extraordinary.

Nothing more extraordinary than your usual action movie stars.  Admittedly, that leaves a lot that was well beyond the capacity of mere humans, but within the genre conventions.

[CountDeMoney]

This is pretty asinine.  I mean, Superman is about a guy who flies around wearing his underwear on  the outside of his tights.  Also he's an alien that looks just like a human being and can shoot lasers out of his eyes.  The angsty introspective approach is kinda silly here.  Not every superhero needs to be gritty and full of self doubt.  Superman is suppose to be fun.

  Right on, Raz.  Preach it, brother.

[Iormlund]

I never got the point of Superman. It's like a mentally crippled god let loose on Earth. I always end up rooting for Lex Luthor.

[Razgovory]

I never got the point of Superman. It's like a mentally crippled god let loose on Earth. I always end up rooting for Lex Luthor.

It's a power fantasy.  There is also a neat inversion of the Nietzsche's superman.   Clark Kent is not beyond human morality.  He's just a good natured farm boy.

[frunk]

Nothing more extraordinary than your usual action movie stars.  Admittedly, that leaves a lot that was well beyond the capacity of mere humans, but within the genre conventions.

Other than punching through cement without injuring their hands, physically destroying people rather casually, making impossible leaps that were closer to flying.  I suppose it could be considered part of modern action conventions, but Zach Snyder tends to ramp the unreality of those scenes up to 11.

[Admiral Yi]

I never got the point of Superman. It's like a mentally crippled god let loose on Earth. I always end up rooting for Lex Luthor.

It's a 1930's Jewish power fantasy.

[The Brain]

Merely Jew-ish?

[Syt]

From EUOT: Brazilian law enforcement dude, named "Hitler Mussolini":




http://www.policiacivil.go.gov.br/hitler-mussoline-domingues-pacheco.html

[Malthus]

I never got the point of Superman. It's like a mentally crippled god let loose on Earth. I always end up rooting for Lex Luthor.

It's a 1930's Jewish power fantasy.

A modern-day Golem of Prague. 

[Caliga]

I never got the point of Superman. It's like a mentally crippled god let loose on Earth. I always end up rooting for Lex Luthor.

It's a 1930's Jewish power fantasy.

A modern-day Golem of Prague. 

I assumed he represented the Jewish Messiah (not the warped Christian view of the Messiah, but the original Jewish one).

[MadImmortalMan]

Heard this on the radio coming in today (discussing the Olympics).

In the 1984 Summer Games in LA, the entire Polish water polo team managed to get themselves disqualified at the same time. Apparently, they caused a major disturbance when they brought their horses into the pool.