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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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The Minsky Moment

#1950
June 17, 2026, 07:36:49 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 17, 2026, 05:45:54 PMJR, you might want to check your source, as you appear to be quoting from an Onion piece.

No that's from the real proposed final draft, the American side did manage to get that language out of the final.  Success!
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

mongers

#1951
June 17, 2026, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 17, 2026, 07:36:49 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 17, 2026, 05:45:54 PMJR, you might want to check your source, as you appear to be quoting from an Onion piece.

No that's from the real proposed final draft, the American side did manage to get that language out of the final.  Success!

Woosh.  ;)
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

crazy canuck

#1952
June 17, 2026, 11:12:03 PM
From the Globe and Mail

"It appears to offer Iran several benefits up front while extracting little in return."

Now that is understatement for you
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#1953
Today at 12:55:36 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 17, 2026, 11:12:03 PMFrom the Globe and Mail

"It appears to offer Iran several benefits up front while extracting little in return."

Now that is understatement for you

Standard Trump. Give away everything, get nothing, casino goes broke

Crazy_Ivan80

#1954
Today at 01:03:07 AM
Why this treaty wasn't signed in Compiegne I don't understand

HVC

#1955
Today at 01:11:21 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:03:07 AMWhy this treaty wasn't signed in Compiegne I don't understand

Trump should have flown to Tehran to sign to show full supplication.
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Hubris must be punished. Severely.

The Brain

#1956
Today at 01:15:50 AM
What a fucking joke the US is.
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Sheilbh

#1957
Today at 09:41:47 AM
Got to hand it to Macron suggesting Versailles as a location for Trump to sign the MoU.
Let's bomb Russia!

crazy canuck

#1958
Today at 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 09:41:47 AMGot to hand it to Macron suggesting Versailles as a location for Trump to sign the MoU.


My thought as well
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Valmy

#1959
Today at 10:05:39 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on Today at 09:41:47 AMGot to hand it to Macron suggesting Versailles as a location for Trump to sign the MoU.

I hear the Hall of Mirrors is a great place to sign treaties.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

QuoteAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

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Valmy

#1960
Today at 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 17, 2026, 11:12:03 PMFrom the Globe and Mail

"It appears to offer Iran several benefits up front while extracting little in return."

Now that is understatement for you

The thing is...this is the right thing to do under the circumstances. He should give Iran everything they want to get us out of this and open the strait. If Trump didn't do this the next President would have had to.

Granted this is entirely because of a situation he created due to his own disastrous policies...
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

QuoteAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H.L. Mencken

crazy canuck

#1961
Today at 10:16:40 AM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 17, 2026, 11:12:03 PMFrom the Globe and Mail

"It appears to offer Iran several benefits up front while extracting little in return."

Now that is understatement for you

The thing is...this is the right thing to do under the circumstances. He should give Iran everything they want to get us out of this and open the strait. If Trump didn't do this the next President would have had to.

Granted this is entirely because of a situation he created due to his own disastrous policies...

Nope, absolutely not. The United States simply could have walked away And reset the status quo to the way, it was the day after the United States, and it's foolishness, cancelled the agreement. The Obama administration had made.

What's happening now? Is the Trump administration needs to be able to say that it made a deal no matter how fucking idiotic it is.
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HisMajestyBOB

#1962
Today at 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 10:08:23 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 17, 2026, 11:12:03 PMFrom the Globe and Mail

"It appears to offer Iran several benefits up front while extracting little in return."

Now that is understatement for you

The thing is...this is the right thing to do under the circumstances. He should give Iran everything they want to get us out of this and open the strait. If Trump didn't do this the next President would have had to.

Granted this is entirely because of a situation he created due to his own disastrous policies...


We should thank Trump for not drawing this out so long that the next Democratic president was saddled with it.
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Valmy

#1963
Today at 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 10:16:40 AMNope, absolutely not. The United States simply could have walked away And reset the status quo to the way, it was the day after the United States, and it's foolishness, cancelled the agreement. The Obama administration had made.

What's happening now? Is the Trump administration needs to be able to say that it made a deal no matter how fucking idiotic it is.

I am talking about under the present circumstances.

Obviously the right thing to do was to never have cancelled Obama's agreement and bombed Iran to begin with.

But given the fact that the United States has done those things, signing this MOU and a peace treaty in which we pay reparations to Iran is the right thing to do.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

QuoteAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H.L. Mencken

Valmy

#1964
Today at 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on Today at 10:17:50 AMWe should thank Trump for not drawing this out so long that the next Democratic president was saddled with it.

He would have if he could have  :lol:

But the world economy would melt down long before then. So he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to actually doing what must be done.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

QuoteAs democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H.L. Mencken
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