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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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Quote from: crazy canuck on March 06, 2026, 07:23:49 PMwho was going to counter attack the sub off the coast of Sri Lanka?

It gives them enough wriggle room, 'look the Brits didn't stop to help people'.

Which I kinda misses the point about the Belgrano being with 100-150 miles of the Falklands and in a conflict zone vs this ship, which might have been what more than 1000 miles away from US navy surface ships??
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Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2026, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on March 06, 2026, 01:35:23 PMSomething that I think may rise to being criminal are reports that after we sunk Iran's ship that was leaving India, we made no effort to save the surviving sailors. My understanding is we are signatory to the 1949 convention that requires us to at least attempt to render aid in such circumstances (and while I think there are some exceptions, I don't believe any apply to that situation.)
There's an exemption for ship safety.  A submarine in wartime being so vulnerable to counterattack is typically the argument used.  Like when the British sank Belgrano in the Falklands. 
https://www.military.com/daily-news/investigations-and-features/2026/03/05/iranian-ship-was-leaving-indian-naval-exercise-when-sunk-raising-concerns-new-delhi.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_present_at_International_Fleet_Review_2026
See USS Pinckney.

The US Navy attacked a defenseless ship.  This is what Hegseth boasted about.
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Quote from: viper37 on March 06, 2026, 08:18:05 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2026, 06:27:30 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on March 06, 2026, 01:35:23 PMSomething that I think may rise to being criminal are reports that after we sunk Iran's ship that was leaving India, we made no effort to save the surviving sailors. My understanding is we are signatory to the 1949 convention that requires us to at least attempt to render aid in such circumstances (and while I think there are some exceptions, I don't believe any apply to that situation.)
There's an exemption for ship safety.  A submarine in wartime being so vulnerable to counterattack is typically the argument used.  Like when the British sank Belgrano in the Falklands. 
https://www.military.com/daily-news/investigations-and-features/2026/03/05/iranian-ship-was-leaving-indian-naval-exercise-when-sunk-raising-concerns-new-delhi.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_present_at_International_Fleet_Review_2026
See USS Pinckney.

The US Navy attacked a defenseless ship.  This is what Hegseth boasted about.
Attacking defenceless ships is what submarines are for.  That's the entire point of them.  It's predatory warfare.
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Quote from: crazy canuck on March 06, 2026, 07:23:49 PMwho was going to counter attack the sub off the coast of Sri Lanka?
Presumably any other Iranian ship or aircraft.  It's pretty paper thin, but it's enough. 
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Razgovory

Quote from: Zanza on March 06, 2026, 05:58:55 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 06, 2026, 02:17:32 PMRight now a large proportion of Iran's population support the attacks by the USA...
Is that really so? Honest question. Obviously there are Iranians that support it, but "a large proportion"?
Probably not that big a portion.  It's weird juxtaposition.  The urban leftists of Iran support the American regime while the urban left in America support the Iranian regime.  Conservatives in both countries support their regime.
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I'm seeing reports the US has used more than 800 Patriot missile interceptors in the war. Any verification on this?
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Zanza

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 06, 2026, 10:16:36 PMI'm seeing reports the US has used more than 800 Patriot missile interceptors in the war. Any verification on this?
Read that too, but probably not the US alone as the Gulf States all have own Patriot batteries.

That's more than Ukraine used (or rather got) in four years.

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Zanza on March 06, 2026, 05:58:55 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 06, 2026, 02:17:32 PMRight now a large proportion of Iran's population support the attacks by the USA...
Is that really so? Honest question. Obviously there are Iranians that support it, but "a large proportion"?

Yes, "large" proportion may well be an exaggeration. Such a faction does exist though, but I expect it will decrease as less sophisticated armaments are used and the inevitable "collateral damage" occurs.

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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 06, 2026, 10:16:00 AMHe's saying unconditional surrender because he has a vague recollection of someone saying that when he watched Victory at Sea and it sounded badass. A couple of days from now he will forget it about like he forgot where his own father was born.  He'll deny ever saying it. At this point, it's pointless to talk about things he says as though he is concerned about being consistent or maintaining credibility.

He speaks for the US, so what he says is very important for anyone dealing with the US in the present or in the future. Trump may (effectively) say "j/k lol", but the US cannot.
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