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Started by Jacob, February 16, 2025, 02:00:06 PM

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Sheilbh

Then I think you're monitoring a fringe to be honest.

But again I don't think I really buy right side of history framing - I don't think there's a telos to it. But to the extent there is that sort of goes to my question, right? Or at least of the challenge in the question? From my point of view the regime is vastly stronger as a consequence of this war than it was before it, having killed tens of thousands of people.

It seems to me that objectively Trump and Netanyahu's war has probably given a new lease of life to the regime in a way that their own internal violence didn't (and, perhaps, couldn't). So the regime's violence reflected its nature as bloody, bedraggled and relatively isolated (economically, regionally etc) - and then removed from its isolation, strengthened, re-legitimised by a war that was a mistake (although I note France has said they'll veto any US proposal to lift UN sanctions until Iran agrees a more comprehensive nuclear agreement). So what's "the right side of history" there?
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Razgovory

It is a fringe that seems to have a lot of influence, if the recent elections in New York mean anything.  And this is sort of the kind thing that Sophie was talking about with apartheid.  She is asking if we would be on the right side of history here.  Who is morally correct, who will be remember as right.  I think I'm just bitter.  This is not a world I want to live in.

And I agree, the Iranians hands down won the war.  They are coming out much stronger diplomatically and politically.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

The Brain

History will likely be written by Grok, so it really shouldn't be the measuring yard of anything.
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Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2026, 11:15:18 PMI think I'm just bitter.  This is not a world I want to live in.

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Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Valmy

Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2026, 11:15:18 PMI think I'm just bitter.  This is not a world I want to live in.

Oh man. I feel this.  :hug:
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