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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Tamas

Quote from: Josquius on Today at 05:31:29 AMI'm not sure I agree that they're hoping the clock goes back with a sane leader, though maybe aspects of thinking it will buy them time so things are less critical than they are.
I do see signs Europe recognises the reality and is changing.... though slowly. Very slowly.

Well the only "valid" reason not to act faster is expecting things to return to the old normal.

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Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2025, 09:20:28 PMEven if a Democrat does return Trump has clearly demonstrated a large minority of Americans are their bitter enemies and will return their foes to power over and over again.

I don't think that's true of a large minority; the vast majority of Americans couldn't care much about Europe either way.

What has happened is that the fringe identitarian blood-and-soil neo-fascists managed to secure a foothold in key positions in Trump administration and this is their play to link up with their ideological allies across the Atlantic.

The other piece is that the Russians have been trying to insinuate their dupes and proxies into Trump's counsels since 2016 (recall the bizarre Carter Page affair).  They mostly failed then but have wildly succeeded now, with Useful Idiot #1 heading the national security team and the VP fully on side.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AMEuropean leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Is that what is causing the housing crisis?  People are scared of houses?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Crazy_Ivan80

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Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AMEuropean leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Is that what is causing the housing crisis?  People are scared of houses?

:rolleyes:

Afraid/ashamed of the self, the indigenous, the own culture and civilisational achievements.
which you very well know.

grumbler

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AMEuropean leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Is that what is causing the housing crisis?  People are scared of houses?

:rolleyes:

Afraid/ashamed of the self, the indigenous, the own culture and civilisational achievements.
which you very well know.


Using woke terminology does not help to get your point across.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Tamas on December 11, 2025, 05:08:37 PMI fear the European leaders are convincing themselves that all they need to do is survive 4 years to have a Democrat in the White House again, resetting time to like 2014. Ain't gonna happen.

Your fear is not consistent with anything I've been reading regarding how European leaders are reacting.
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Grey Fox

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 11, 2025, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 11, 2025, 05:08:37 PMI fear the European leaders are convincing themselves that all they need to do is survive 4 years to have a Democrat in the White House again, resetting time to like 2014. Ain't gonna happen.

Show strength to Trump he might get wet enough between his legs like with Putin to start showing respect.

That's so stupid. Even if a Democrat does return Trump has clearly demonstrated a large minority of Americans are their bitter enemies and will return their foes to power over and over again.

European leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Interesting take. I blame capitalism.
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Tamas

Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 11, 2025, 05:08:37 PMI fear the European leaders are convincing themselves that all they need to do is survive 4 years to have a Democrat in the White House again, resetting time to like 2014. Ain't gonna happen.

Your fear is not consistent with anything I've been reading regarding how European leaders are reacting.

All is good then.

crazy canuck

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Quote from: Tamas on Today at 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on Today at 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 11, 2025, 05:08:37 PMI fear the European leaders are convincing themselves that all they need to do is survive 4 years to have a Democrat in the White House again, resetting time to like 2014. Ain't gonna happen.

Your fear is not consistent with anything I've been reading regarding how European leaders are reacting.

All is good then.

I wouldn't go that far. All would be much better if your fears were based on what you learn from actual new sources rather than wherever it was where you picked up the notion that European leaders are counting on the fact that miraculously the Americans will become honourable and reliable after the Trump presidency ends.
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In several surveys, the overwhelming first choice for what makes Canada unique is multiculturalism. This, in a world collapsing into stupid, impoverishing hatreds, is the distinctly Canadian national project.

Razgovory

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AMEuropean leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Is that what is causing the housing crisis?  People are scared of houses?

:rolleyes:

Afraid/ashamed of the self, the indigenous, the own culture and civilisational achievements.
which you very well know.

I have never seen that term before today.  I just knew the Greek root Oikos, house.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AMEuropean leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Even if they lack a belief their culture and society is superior, why should that be a reason not to defend it? Surely a culture and society is worthwhile just because it is yours not because it is superior to everybody.
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I think Europeans are pretty confident in their cultures and who they are.

crazy canuck

Quote from: Jacob on Today at 12:57:16 PMI think Europeans are pretty confident in their cultures and who they are.

Yeah, when I read Ivan's post I thought back to a wonderful afternoon I spent in a village in Sardinia listening to a fellow explain how much better life is there. A fond memory :)
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Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 12:11:55 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on Today at 09:05:34 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 01:56:28 AMEuropean leaders are weak willed, like most of their populations. Combined with an atmosphere of oikophobia and subsequent lack of belief in the superiority of our cultures and societies...
Why would they bother defending? They've been beaten already.

Is that what is causing the housing crisis?  People are scared of houses?

:rolleyes:

Afraid/ashamed of the self, the indigenous, the own culture and civilisational achievements.
which you very well know.

I have never seen that term before today.  I just knew the Greek root Oikos, house.

It's also a Brand of subpar yogurt. So my first thought was fear of yogurt :lol:
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Jacob

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on Today at 10:31:46 AM:rolleyes:

Afraid/ashamed of the self, the indigenous, the own culture and civilisational achievements.
which you very well know.

Your post is also the first time I've come across the term. I'm guessing it originated in your particular political context and is only now getting wider usage (if indeed it is).