What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Tamas]

I fear the European leaders are convincing themselves that all they need to do is survive 4 years to have a Democrat in the White House again, resetting time to like 2014. Ain't gonna happen.

Your fear is not consistent with anything I've been reading regarding how European leaders are reacting.

All is good then.

I wouldn't go that far. All would be much better if your fears were based on what you learn from actual new sources rather than wherever it was where you picked up the notion that European leaders are counting on the fact that miraculously the Americans will become honourable and reliable after the Trump presidency ends.

Well, for one thing, the Guardian has been criticising the British government's silence on the US policy document, so there is that. Also apart from Mertz, no other European reaction has breached my bubble.

It's great if they continue to build up in the background, but the influence war against reactionary fascism isn't won by agreeing in a room to up military spending by 2% over the course of 5 years unless the weather gets bad.

I know it's challenging when Trump is on the same xenophobic platform as the European far right but it must be made so that if you want to wave your Europran country's flag around you cannot also be a pro-America/Trump asshole like you can now.

[Jacob]

Well, for one thing, the Guardian has been criticising the British government's silence on the US policy document, so there is that. Also apart from Mertz, no other European reaction has breached my bubble.

The Danish Military Intelligence Agency has included the US as a risk factor in its annual threat assessment report. It may not be a direct reaction to the US policy document, though if not I don't think it improves the situation.

You're not going to get Denmark making big bold statements about "fuck the US", I don't think. The name of the game, I think, is to slow down the decoupling and turn to hostility as much as possible and hope for the best.

Conversely, I think Trump and the Fascist American Tech Oligarchs are going to take it a bit slow as well, hoping that their own and Russian influence operations will cause the EU to crumble without too much further action.

It's a slow dance, and frustrating, but at this point I think the slower the inevitable turn to hostility is the better for Europe; and I think European leaders are acting accordingly (though that doesn't mean some of them aren't burying their head in the sand - it's just that it might be hard to distinguish the two).

[Tamas]

Ok that's reasonable.

[crazy canuck]

Well, for one thing, the Guardian has been criticising the British government's silence on the US policy document, so there is that. Also apart from Mertz, no other European reaction has breached my bubble.

Shortly after the US policy document was released, the President of the European Council said ""We need to focus on building a Europe that must understand that the relationships between allies and Post World War II allies have changed."