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What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

Started by FunkMonk, November 08, 2016, 11:02:57 PM

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Savonarola

Quote from: celedhring on Today at 03:56:02 AMI have been reading "*they* will poison him and replace him with Vance halfway in" conspiracies since the day after he was elected.  :bleeding:

You know, I feel retroactively guilty for thinking all the conspiracy paranoia in the X-Files/Matrix/etc... and shit in the 1990s was fun and cool. I feel we planted the cultural seeds of something that's become a monster.

You don't need to feel guilty. We've always had conspiracy paranoia in the United States. Our first serious third party was the Anti-Masonic Party, which was dedicated to preventing Masonic conspiracies.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

DGuller

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on Today at 09:40:37 AM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 03:46:06 AMOn the Luigi case...
It does indeed seem the police managed to mishandle all evidence so it's invalid?

Suppression hearing is still ongoing; not aware of any rulings yet.
One thing I've been wondering for a while:  how many criminal cases can actually survive OJ-style lawyering by the defense?  It seems like few prosecution cases can do everything by the book, and do enough of it, to survive a determined challenge.  The reason convictions still happen is because most defendants can't muster the resources to find holes that are almost always going to be there.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: DGuller on Today at 10:05:02 AMOne thing I've been wondering for a while:  how many criminal cases can actually survive OJ-style lawyering by the defense?  It seems like few prosecution cases can do everything by the book, and do enough of it, to survive a determined challenge.  The reason convictions still happen is because most defendants can't muster the resources to find holes that are almost always going to be there.

A lot of cases can survive that; a lot do.  Even a significant violation of the rules doesn't doom a prosecution because of judicial escape hatches like the inevitable discovery doctrine or - on appeal - the harmless error doctrine.  Good representation means turning an almost certain outcome of conviction into a decent underdog's fighting chance. The government still has very powerful advantages and at least until early 2025, it also had access to top tier lawyers of its own.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Razgovory

Quote from: celedhring on Today at 03:56:02 AMI have been reading "*they* will poison him and replace him with Vance halfway in" conspiracies since the day after he was elected.  :bleeding:

You know, I feel retroactively guilty for thinking all the conspiracy paranoia in the X-Files/Matrix/etc... and shit in the 1990s was fun and cool. I feel we planted the cultural seeds of something that's become a monster.
Yeah, I know what you mean.  Back in the 1990's there was a role playing game called Dark*Matter that was about conspiracies.  Evil Masons, Lizard people, UFOs etc.  Later on, I found it disturbing that people actually believed in it.  Like discovering that people actually believed in Orcs and Hobbits.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Crazy_Ivan80

Quote from: Savonarola on Today at 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: celedhring on Today at 03:56:02 AMI have been reading "*they* will poison him and replace him with Vance halfway in" conspiracies since the day after he was elected.  :bleeding:

You know, I feel retroactively guilty for thinking all the conspiracy paranoia in the X-Files/Matrix/etc... and shit in the 1990s was fun and cool. I feel we planted the cultural seeds of something that's become a monster.

You don't need to feel guilty. We've always had conspiracy paranoia in the United States. Our first serious third party was the Anti-Masonic Party, which was dedicated to preventing Masonic conspiracies.

They succeeded given the amount of houses that are just plywood  :P