Brexit and the waning days of the United Kingdom

[The Brain]

Bottom line: I think it's unsound by the state to be an enabler for race-based thinking. Race-based thinking is fundamentally unsound and is the foundation on which racism is built. I think the En Vogue - Free Your Mind approach to these matters is much more sound.

As I think I explained to Berkut once, colour blindness as a solution is outmoded.

I think there may well exist countries where conditions are so extreme that this is true. I certainly think this was the case for South Africa transitioning from apartheid, and many countries in the 20th century transitioning from colonies to sovereign states. Contemporary America may be one. For the general case I remain unconvinced. I think it's a desperate measure, and risks winning a battle but losing the war.

[garbon]

Bottom line: I think it's unsound by the state to be an enabler for race-based thinking. Race-based thinking is fundamentally unsound and is the foundation on which racism is built. I think the En Vogue - Free Your Mind approach to these matters is much more sound.

As I think I explained to Berkut once, colour blindness as a solution is outmoded.

I think there may well exist countries where conditions are so extreme that this is true. I certainly think this was the case for South Africa transitioning from apartheid, and many countries in the 20th century transitioning from colonies to sovereign states. Contemporary America may be one. For the general case I remain unconvinced. I think it's a desperate measure, and risks winning a battle but losing the war.

Maybe less metaphors and more direct speech.

[garbon]

Bottom line: I think it's unsound by the state to be an enabler for race-based thinking. Race-based thinking is fundamentally unsound and is the foundation on which racism is built. I think the En Vogue - Free Your Mind approach to these matters is much more sound.

As I think I explained to Berkut once, colour blindness as a solution is outmoded.

But comforting.

Of course. There's nothing to see here.

[The Brain]

Bottom line: I think it's unsound by the state to be an enabler for race-based thinking. Race-based thinking is fundamentally unsound and is the foundation on which racism is built. I think the En Vogue - Free Your Mind approach to these matters is much more sound.

As I think I explained to Berkut once, colour blindness as a solution is outmoded.

I think there may well exist countries where conditions are so extreme that this is true. I certainly think this was the case for South Africa transitioning from apartheid, and many countries in the 20th century transitioning from colonies to sovereign states. Contemporary America may be one. For the general case I remain unconvinced. I think it's a desperate measure, and risks winning a battle but losing the war.

Maybe less metaphors and more direct speech.

Accepting the basic racist paradigm that people should be categorized based on race risks normalizing and perpetuating the basic racist paradigm that people should be categorized based on race.

[HVC]

What do you do when the paradigm already exists and you want to quantify and mitigate the situation?

[The Brain]

What do you do when the paradigm already exists and you want to quantify and mitigate the situation?

I'd rather oppose the situation.

[HVC]

What do you do when the paradigm already exists and you want to quantify and mitigate the situation?

I'd rather oppose the situation.

How? How do you fix a problem without examining it and understanding it?

[The Brain]

What do you do when the paradigm already exists and you want to quantify and mitigate the situation?

I'd rather oppose the situation.

How? How do you fix a problem without examining it and understanding it?

For one thing by rejecting the opponent's choice of battlefield and weapons.

[HVC]

Time for one of my patented great and always accurate analogies

You're at a nuclear facility when the monitors go down. You have no information. But you see smoke coming from the reactor, but you don't know what wrong, how wrong, and what it's actually doing. Do you sit at your desk going "I oppose the meltdown", or do you try to fix the monitor so you can get information and thus hopefully correct this situation?

[Razgovory]

How long has this melt down been going on and why haven't we been able to fix it?

[HVC]

How long has this melt down been going on and why haven't we been able to fix it?

We don't know, brain won't let us fix the monitor to get data

[The Brain]

Time for one of my patented great and always accurate analogies

You're at a nuclear facility when the monitors go down. You have no information. But you see smoke coming from the reactor, but you don't know what wrong, how wrong, and what it's actually doing. Do you sit at your desk going "I oppose the meltdown", or do you try to fix the monitor so you can get information and thus hopefully correct this situation?

I do what the relevant procedure tells me to do. But to try to answer part of the broader question: I will not go collect nuclear fuel rods and build a pile of them that spells out "meltdown is bad" in the showers. Race-based crime stats appears to me to be likely aviation fuel for the racist bonfire, and best avoided by the state. And that's just the "tactical" problem, the "strategic" problem is that it means the state accepting race as a filter through which society should be viewed.

[Tamas]

And that's just the "tactical" problem, the "strategic" problem is that it means the state accepting race as a filter through which society should be viewed

That's the key problem.

[Oexmelin]

Race-based crime stats appears to me to be likely aviation fuel for the racist bonfire, and best avoided by the state. And that's just the "tactical" problem, the "strategic" problem is that it means the state accepting race as a filter through which society should be viewed.

That particular fight has been an ongoing struggle for years in academic circles between many French antiracists scholars, and American antiracists scholars, with the first claiming that making race an operational concept keeps it well and alive, and the second arguing that making it disappear from official discourse doesn't make it disappear in reality, and only makes it more difficult to fight.

I agree with the first perspective, but it does make it hard to identify systemic problems, say, in police force, or discrimination in hiring, or renting, etc. 

[HVC]

My analogies failed me again

But the original question stands, how do you go about fixing a problem you have no way to measure? You don't want the state involved in race, fine, how would you go about fighting things like police or judicial discrimiantion?