The Israel-Iran War ?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOW3vH64PU&ab_channel=TheEnforcer

if even a fraction of this is actually real...

ugh, would be nice if we could decouple Europe and move it somewhere else

[Legbiter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOW3vH64PU&ab_channel=TheEnforcer

if even a fraction of this is actually real...

[Crazy_Ivan80]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOW3vH64PU&ab_channel=TheEnforcer

if even a fraction of this is actually real...

I know, I'm talking about today since the last I've heard is the return drone strike.

[grumbler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOW3vH64PU&ab_channel=TheEnforcer

if even a fraction of this is actually real...

ugh, would be nice if we could decouple Europe and move it somewhere else

Lots and lots of passive voice there. "We have heard" doesn't sound like a very vigorous fact-checking operation.

[Tonitrus]

Seen a few indications that used similar tactics to Ukraine (e.g. drones hidden in trucks that were smuggled in and prepped in-country) in taking out Iranian air defense/radar systems.

[Sheilbh]

So if they are a paper tiger who can't do shit...why is Israel attacking?

The only country capable of significantly damaging Iran's nuclear program (given how deep into mountains their facilities are) is the US. I think Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert have been speaking about this that it is universally acknowledged that the most Israel can do is delay it by somewhere between weeks and months.

The Times reported that earlier in the year it looked like Netanyahu had convinced Trump to authorise a US-Israeli strike as six bombers capable of carrying the weapons that could damage those facilities were lined up ready to go on Diego Garcia.

In terms of the why and why now - the best answers I've seen are Israeli domestic politics, or hoping to provoke an Iranian misstep sufficient to get the US to bomb Iranian facilities,  or to do well enough to inspire the US to join in.

But as with Gaza - to go to Yi's Clausewitz posting - if war is a tool to achieve political ends, I'm very, very unclear what political ends Israel is trying to pursue or that it's military strategy is capable of achieving that (or bringing them significantly closer). My worry is that the military means are the ends.

[Grey Fox]

Is not being in prison a political enough reason?

[Tamas]

Is not being in prison a political enough reason?

There is certainly that but also when else try to significantly delay the Iranians? Hezbollah is on the ground, the US could not care less, Russia actually depends on Iranian support, and the Iranians have been proven to be a bit of a paper tiger compared to what people thought they could do against Israel from the air.

[Grey Fox]

On other more progressive places on the internet full of zoomers, I find every discussion so infuriating. Full of naive zoomer take that have no sense of history or how anything works.

Once again, my country acts in the most shameful way when it comes to the middle east :/

Once again Israel is the poor victim, althewhile Israel attacks every country around it. This is so frustrating. Iran is a souveran country, how can you deny them development of a nuke, but then condem Putin for not accepting Ukraine to join NATO? Either both are right or both are wrong (and to be clear: Ukraine has the right to join NATO, Iran has the right to develop whatever weapon).

This is all so unjust, so obviously wrong, and the West supports the wrong one.

 

[Legbiter]

An interesting tweet from a diaspora Iranian.

One of the funny things I've learned from my travels to Israel this year is that Israelis think that the so-called "Iranian opposition" are basically all retarded. To be clear, I'm talking about legit Israelis with IDF training, not just western jews. When Iranians opposed to the Islamic regime meet Israelis, the questions they ask are direct and probe the logistics of the situation:

"Why aren't you organized?"
"Who is your leader?"
"What is your plan?"
"What kind of resources do you have?"
"What kind of resources do you need?"
"What weapons do you have?"
"What weapons do you need?"
"What's your roadmap?"

And the typical reply from our side is something like: "Well we organized a human rights march in Geneva" to which the Israeli reply is "ok thanks you can get the fuck out now".

Gotta love that Israeli bluntness. 

He goes on to elaborate but I don't see some Iranian opposition rising up and overthrowing the regime in the next few weeks. 

https://x.com/ameensol/status/1934493236812275997

[Tamas]

An interesting tweet from a diaspora Iranian.

One of the funny things I've learned from my travels to Israel this year is that Israelis think that the so-called "Iranian opposition" are basically all retarded. To be clear, I'm talking about legit Israelis with IDF training, not just western jews. When Iranians opposed to the Islamic regime meet Israelis, the questions they ask are direct and probe the logistics of the situation:

"Why aren't you organized?"
"Who is your leader?"
"What is your plan?"
"What kind of resources do you have?"
"What kind of resources do you need?"
"What weapons do you have?"
"What weapons do you need?"
"What's your roadmap?"

And the typical reply from our side is something like: "Well we organized a human rights march in Geneva" to which the Israeli reply is "ok thanks you can get the fuck out now".

Gotta love that Israeli bluntness. 

He goes on to elaborate but I don't see some Iranian opposition rising up and overthrowing the regime in the next few weeks. 

https://x.com/ameensol/status/1934493236812275997

I guess that kind of links into the protests and goals discussion Yi and others were having in the Trump thread

[Valmy]

I guess that kind of links into the protests and goals discussion Yi and others were having in the Trump thread

The protests right now in the US are about political mobilization. I don't think we are currently putting forth a coup plan in motion.

Slightly different situation.

[Legbiter]

Iranian State broadcaster bombed.

[Grey Fox]

Collaborators in repression.

[Jacob]

The USS Nimitz carrier group is leaving the South China Sea (cancelling a shore visit to Danang in Vietnam) and headed for the Middle East: https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2025/06/16/uss-nimitz-heading-to-middle-east-defense-official-says/

I wonder how active the US is going to be in the current conflict, and how far Israel is going to go.

Are we about to see a major conflagration in the Middle East?