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Started by Armyknife, September 25, 2009, 02:31:13 PM

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Bauer

#45
June 12, 2025, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 07:55:38 PMSo, it happened while I was out buying bleach, milk, and suspenders.

So you're the one who broke this news to me, scrolling through this old thread wondering why it came back then found this finally and ... googled.  Damn this is huge. 

Razgovory

#46
June 12, 2025, 09:50:04 PM
Trump really caused an avalanche when he killed Soleimani and the Iranians failed to respond.  It revealed the Iranians to be a paper tiger.  Since this they lost Syria and Nasrallah is dead.  I don't think the Iranians even the ability to respond in a meaningful way to this.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#47
June 12, 2025, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 09:50:04 PMTrump really caused an avalanche when he killed Soleimani and the Iranians failed to respond.  It revealed the Iranians to be a paper tiger.  Since this they lost Syria and Nasrallah is dead.  I don't think the Iranians even the ability to respond in a meaningful way to this.

So if they are a paper tiger who can't do shit...why is Israel attacking?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#48
June 12, 2025, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2025, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 09:50:04 PMTrump really caused an avalanche when he killed Soleimani and the Iranians failed to respond.  It revealed the Iranians to be a paper tiger.  Since this they lost Syria and Nasrallah is dead.  I don't think the Iranians even the ability to respond in a meaningful way to this.

So if they are a paper tiger who can't do shit...why is Israel attacking?
To keep them that way.  They obviously don't want the Iranians to have nukes.  Nobody wants that.  Except the Iranians.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Jacob

#49
June 12, 2025, 11:37:49 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2025, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 09:50:04 PMTrump really caused an avalanche when he killed Soleimani and the Iranians failed to respond.  It revealed the Iranians to be a paper tiger.  Since this they lost Syria and Nasrallah is dead.  I don't think the Iranians even the ability to respond in a meaningful way to this.

So if they are a paper tiger who can't do shit...why is Israel attacking?

The news article I just read said that the attack moves attention away from the conflict in Gaza, which is getting less and less popular. It didn't say it was the trigger for the attack, merely one of its outcomes.

It could also be a calculation that this is the optimal time to strike, with a likely lack of consequences from the Trump administration and Iranian weakness. Maybe the calculation is that it'll set the Iranians development back sufficiently to make it worthwhile?

Bauer

#50
June 12, 2025, 11:52:50 PM
I'm guessing Israel is taking advantage of their international opinion being close to rock bottom, they already levelled Gaza what could an extra strike or two on Iran matter.  Plus Even though I don't support attacks I'm also kind of happy irans shit got hit in my secret heart, guessing many others in the world feel the same.

I'd actually be surprised if they don't follow up for more kill shots although the guys on tv seemed to think Israel may have knocked out a good part of irans counter attack capability. Interested to learn more how bad their nuclear site was hit.

Valmy

#51
June 12, 2025, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2025, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 09:50:04 PMTrump really caused an avalanche when he killed Soleimani and the Iranians failed to respond.  It revealed the Iranians to be a paper tiger.  Since this they lost Syria and Nasrallah is dead.  I don't think the Iranians even the ability to respond in a meaningful way to this.

So if they are a paper tiger who can't do shit...why is Israel attacking?
To keep them that way.  They obviously don't want the Iranians to have nukes.  Nobody wants that.  Except the Iranians.

We had an agreement with them that seemed to be going well before Trump unilaterally canceled it for no reason. This whole thing seems unnecessary.

Though considering Trump did that and after what Russia did to Ukraine every country should probably want nukes because clearly nobody honors their treaties with you or considers you worth a shit without them. The whole world should nuke up.

But hopefully Iran truly is such a doormat and their capability is truly ruined so this will not have serious consequences.

We'll see.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Zoupa

#52
June 13, 2025, 12:30:20 AM
Is Israel just flying over Syria/Jordan/Irak to hit Iran? That doesn't sound too smart.

Legbiter

#53
June 13, 2025, 04:20:06 AM
It's an audacious opening by Israel I must say. Natanz is bombed, the head of the IRGC got whacked by an Israeli kill team along with Khamenei's most senior adviser, plus a few nuclear scientists. Some of the smaller targets hit were taken out by explosive drones launched from within Iran similar to how Ukraine blew up the russki bombers.  :hmm:

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Razgovory

#54
June 13, 2025, 04:34:48 AM
Quote from: Jacob on June 12, 2025, 11:37:49 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 12, 2025, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 12, 2025, 09:50:04 PMTrump really caused an avalanche when he killed Soleimani and the Iranians failed to respond.  It revealed the Iranians to be a paper tiger.  Since this they lost Syria and Nasrallah is dead.  I don't think the Iranians even the ability to respond in a meaningful way to this.

So if they are a paper tiger who can't do shit...why is Israel attacking?

The news article I just read said that the attack moves attention away from the conflict in Gaza, which is getting less and less popular. It didn't say it was the trigger for the attack, merely one of its outcomes.

It could also be a calculation that this is the optimal time to strike, with a likely lack of consequences from the Trump administration and Iranian weakness. Maybe the calculation is that it'll set the Iranians development back sufficiently to make it worthwhile?

The UN said Iran was in noncompliance in regard to it's nuclear program, so that is a possible trigger.  The Israelis have done this before with Iraq, back in the 1980's.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

dist

#55
June 13, 2025, 08:29:39 AM
Now we know why the US started evacuating families of military personnel from its bases in the ME yesterday.

Legbiter

#56
June 13, 2025, 09:02:52 AM
I wonder if we're going to see the same humiliation spiral with the IRGC as we did with Hezbollah where they'd announce the organizational successor the day after Israel killed them (to show they were unfazed as well as demonstrating an unbroken organizational continuity) only for Israel to then immediately kill them the day after, and so on, until the cleaning lady was the most senior Hezbollah leader.  :hmm: 
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The Minsky Moment

#57
June 13, 2025, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: dist on June 13, 2025, 08:29:39 AMNow we know why the US started evacuating families of military personnel from its bases in the ME yesterday.

Trump telegraphed the attack the day before in a press conference. 

It's telling about how low the bar has been set that something like that is barely even noticed anymore.  Just the cost of doing business with the USA.
We have, accordingly, always had plenty of excellent lawyers, though we often had to do without even tolerable administrators, and seen destined to endure the inconvenience of hereafter doing without any constructive statesmen at all.
--Woodrow Wilson

Crazy_Ivan80

#58
June 13, 2025, 12:19:58 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 13, 2025, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: dist on June 13, 2025, 08:29:39 AMNow we know why the US started evacuating families of military personnel from its bases in the ME yesterday.

Trump telegraphed the attack the day before in a press conference. 

It's telling about how low the bar has been set that something like that is barely even noticed anymore.  Just the cost of doing business with the USA.

it's why you shouldn't inform the US of such operations. The UAF have already learned that lesson

Jacob

#59
June 13, 2025, 05:00:49 PM
So Iran is apparently striking Jerusalem and Tel Aviv with missiles right now: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-strikes-iran-amid-nuclear-tensions-2025-06-13/
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