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Elon Musk: Always A Douche

Started by garbon, July 15, 2018, 07:01:42 PM

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HVC

So now Musk is complaining that trump treated Doge as a whipping boy. He's saying got outsmarted by trump of all people. Genius isn't what it used to to be :lol:
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Hubris must be punished. Severely.

DGuller

Quote from: HVC on May 28, 2025, 02:35:01 AMSo now Musk is complaining that trump treated Doge as a whipping boy. He's saying got outsmarted by trump of all people. Genius isn't what it used to to be :lol:
Lots of people get outsmarted by Trump.  He has a gift for convincing very successful people to destroy themselves in service to him, even though it's known by everyone that he would abandon them as soon as they would do so.  I wouldn't be surprised if Trump were the one who genetically engineered moth to fly into flames.

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Jacob

Prigozhinesque vibes. It's clear who wields the power here.

Sheilbh

I'm a little old-fashioned on this - and Musk has form that clearly suggest he doesn't view it this way.

But I think basically implying someone has been sexually abusing underage girls is either a very, very serious allegation or a heinous thing to say about someone. It's not in any respect just going "too far".
Let's bomb Russia!

Jacob

I don't think the US public views it as such. Having sex with underage girls (as long as they're post puberty teens) and connection with Epstein is not seen as a deep moral issue as much as it's an established part of the partisan shit-flinging. And by that I mean that the American public at large only sees it as morally abhorrent when it's (allegedly) done by political opponents or the non-elite... and potentially also when the courts (i.e. the media in conjunction with the actual criminal justice system) has established it as factual and interesting beyond a doubt.

So yeah, I think you're probably a little old-fashioned here.

grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on June 11, 2025, 11:46:23 AMI don't think the US public views it as such. Having sex with underage girls (as long as they're post puberty teens) and connection with Epstein is not seen as a deep moral issue as much as it's an established part of the partisan shit-flinging. And by that I mean that the American public at large only sees it as morally abhorrent when it's (allegedly) done by political opponents or the non-elite... and potentially also when the courts (i.e. the media in conjunction with the actual criminal justice system) has established it as factual and interesting beyond a doubt.

So yeah, I think you're probably a little old-fashioned here.

An interesting take.  Do you have some evidence that "the American public at large only sees it as morally abhorrent when it's (allegedly) done by political opponents or the non-elite?" Pretty much everyone I know that has any Epstein knowledge thinks that death was too good for him (and, perhaps, too convenient for others in power).
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garbon

Quote from: Sheilbh on June 11, 2025, 11:38:17 AMI'm a little old-fashioned on this - and Musk has form that clearly suggest he doesn't view it this way.

But I think basically implying someone has been sexually abusing underage girls is either a very, very serious allegation or a heinous thing to say about someone. It's not in any respect just going "too far".


I started this thread off the back of him calling someone a pedophile.
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Sheilbh

Yeah - as I say, he's got form :P
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frunk

Yeah, Musk has made many worse allegations against a wide variety of people, including ones that were currently the president.  The difference is that going against the corrupt state of Trump in such a public way when your businesses depend so much on federal funding is a terrible idea.

HVC

Well that's disappointing. I was hoping g for at some some more entertainment.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Bauer

So apparently the fallout began when Trump didn't appoint Musks man to head NASA, who was a big private sector proponent, but had a dreadful sin of having donated to democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/06/us/politics/trump-musk-split-nasa.html

Jacob

Quote from: grumbler on June 11, 2025, 11:55:09 AMAn interesting take.  Do you have some evidence that "the American public at large only sees it as morally abhorrent when it's (allegedly) done by political opponents or the non-elite?" Pretty much everyone I know that has any Epstein knowledge thinks that death was too good for him (and, perhaps, too convenient for others in power).

Yeah I over-egged that pudding a bit there. I'll retract that and state that have no doubt that most Americans find those kinds of sexual predation abhorrent.

I'm just disappointed about Trump and Gaetz not facing political repercussions for rape and underage sex respectively. I connected that with the frequent accusations of "pedophile" as an insult in certain social media spaces, including using connections with Epstein to imply impropriety (on both sides of the political spectrum), and the whole "pizza gate" project by the right. But Eichorn shows that politicians can still face repercussions.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that some politicians have managed to avoid political repercussions for morally abhorrent actions by successfully framing it as "politically motivated attacks", and that accusations of sexual impropriety with underage girls is a well-established vector of social media attack. And that sucks.



viper37

Quote from: Sheilbh on June 11, 2025, 11:38:17 AMBut I think basically implying someone has been sexually abusing underage girls is either a very, very serious allegation or a heinous thing to say about someone. It's not in any respect just going "too far".
a) It's not his first time.
b) It's not his second time either.
c) It wasn't his third time, I've lost count, it won't be his last.
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