What does a TRUMP presidency look like?

[Razgovory]

So I guess the only answer to all upcoming fascist shit simply needs to be: Americans were warned that would happen if Trump got reelected?

Nobody said that was the only answer, but some schadenfreude is in order.  Maybe some of these students can go to Canada, and you can teach them useful skills like not to fuck a light socket and don't view an election the same way you view a Tel Aviv city bus.

[Oexmelin]

Even as your country descends into fascism, you'd rather continue to cheer about dead Palestinians, and blame anyone but your corrupt institutions, inept political party, and authoritarian countrymen.

I'd snicker and wish you good luck, but I'd rather not fell smug about the decline of a country people with men and women I care about.

You, on the other hand, can go back on the ignore list.

[Sophie Scholl]

I dread waking up now. It seems that the awfulness will just never slow down and that every day some fresh hell awaits trans folks (amongst so many others). 

[Valmy]

I dread waking up now. It seems that the awfulness will just never slow down and that every day some fresh hell awaits trans folks (amongst so many others). 

Unfortunately we are just getting started.

[Razgovory]

Even as your country descends into fascism, you'd rather continue to cheer about dead Palestinians, and blame anyone but your corrupt institutions, inept political party, and authoritarian countrymen.

I'd snicker and wish you good luck, but I'd rather not fell smug about the decline of a country people with men and women I care about.

You, on the other hand, can go back on the ignore list.

I remember you were bitter when Hezbollah had their pager accidents, so I figured you shared the David Duke vision of the Middle East.  I was not cheering Palestinian deaths, I was pointing out that people who thought Donald Trump becoming a dictator was an acceptable outcome, are getting what comes to them.  We do the same thing when the boot falls on the MAGAheads.  They brought it on themselves, but I suppose it's different when it's your side that devastates themselves.  I have more problems than to worry about wealthy scions not getting a prestigious degree at an elite American University.  Barring extremists from entering a country is a pretty common practice, one that Canada engages in as well.

[Razgovory]

Also, I didn't know we had an ignore list.  I checked mine.  I had LaCroix on there.  I thought he just left!  He's been here the whole time?

[crazy canuck]

Btw, say hello to your new history programs:

"Patriotic education" means a presentation of the history of America grounded in:
(i)    an accurate, honest, unifying, inspiring, and ennobling characterization of America's founding and foundational principles;
(ii)   a clear examination of how the United States has admirably grown closer to its noble principles throughout its history;
(iii)  the concept that commitment to America's aspirations is beneficial and justified; and
(iv)   the concept that celebration of America's greatness and history is proper."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/ending-radical-indoctrination-in-k-12-schooling/

Can't have any critical thought in American schools.

[crazy canuck]

So I guess the only answer to all upcoming fascist shit simply needs to be: Americans were warned that would happen if Trump got reelected?

Nobody said that was the only answer, but some schadenfreude is in order.  Maybe some of these students can go to Canada, and you can teach them useful skills like not to fuck a light socket and don't view an election the same way you view a Tel Aviv city bus.

I assume foreign students on a student visa don't get to vote in your elections.  If my assumption is correct, why do you have a sense of satisfaction over the deportations?

[Razgovory]

Those protests really hurt us in this election.

[Syt]

I dread waking up now. It seems that the awfulness will just never slow down and that every day some fresh hell awaits trans folks (amongst so many others). 

[Admiral Yi]

So I guess the only answer to all upcoming fascist shit simply needs to be: Americans were warned that would happen if Trump got reelected?

Yes.  The only way the US gets better is if Trump voters learn an object lesson from the consequences of their choices.

[DGuller]

It collided with the military helicopter.

[Oexmelin]

My guess is you will not like the lesson, and it's doubtful they will learn what you'd rather like from it. You and I, for instance, in all probability disagree strongly about "the lesson".

Quite apart from the unsavory nature of people getting their kicks from other people woes and misfortune, that sort of thinking, to me, is another way of justifying apathy - or some twisted version of religious fervor. Waiting patiently until the "object lesson" is learned, and somehow thinking that people must collectively pay or atone for their sins through suffering.

There's no object lesson. Theres no comeuppance. There's politics, and you either get involved or withdraw. If you want to craft a lesson out of it, you *make it*, you sell it, you build around it. You don't wait until people learn their lesson That sort of magic thinking has been the Democrat's undoing. And, quite frankly, one of the reason why I find the political discourse in US academia so wrongheaded. 

[Syt]

[Admiral Yi]

My guess is you will not like the lesson, and it's doubtful they will learn what you'd rather like from it. You and I, for instance, in all probability disagree strongly about "the lesson".

Quite apart from the unsavory nature of people getting their kicks from other people woes and misfortune, that sort of thinking, to me, is another way of justifying apathy - or some twisted version of religious fervor. Waiting patiently until the "object lesson" is learned, and somehow thinking that people must collectively pay or atone for their sins through suffering.

There's no object lesson. Theres no comeuppance. There's politics, and you either get involved or withdraw. If you want to craft a lesson out of it, you *make it*, you sell it, you build around it. You don't wait until people learn their lesson That sort of magic thinking has been the Democrat's undoing. And, quite frankly, one of the reason why I find the political discourse in US academia so wrongheaded. 

I haven't mentioned comeuppance.  There are plenty of object lessons.  UK fishermen learned that leaving the EU negatively impacted their livelihoods.  Trump voters will hopefully learn that mass deportations and mass tariffs affect them negatively through higher prices for goods and services.  Arab voters will hopefully learn that voting for Trump does not create a beneficial outcome for Gazans.

Democrats have not been sitting around patiently waiting for Trumpists to learn object lessons.  They have been talking nonstop about all the ways that Trumpists are wrong.  All that talking led to an *increase* in Trump's vote.  That has led me to the conclusion that the only people capable of changing their minds are themselves.

I don't care if you take a jab at my "apathy."  I'm confident that I care about preserving democracy in America and you questioning my motives doesn't bother me.  Just like I'm sure my belief that protest culture is motivated by narcissistic self validation doesn't impact your system of beliefs.