Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Josephus]

Hearing Israel launching attacks on Iran

[Razgovory]

I really wish they wouldn't do that.

[Iormlund]

It seems restricted to military targets, no nuclear or oil infrastructure. I'd be really surprised if Biden had nothing to do with that.

[Josephus]

It seems restricted to military targets, no nuclear or oil infrastructure. I'd be really surprised if Biden had nothing to do with that.

Maybe

Maybe Israel was taking out Iran's air defence capabilities first

[viper37]

And how did they manage to do that while all the soldiers where there, on duty, on alert, ready to snipe at any suspicious movement?

I made the mistake of thinking you were actually curious how Hamas did it.

Please, entertain me.  How did Hamas achieve this incredible feat while the IDF was on full alert with all its army mobilized at the border posts, where it was, watching over every movements of its mortal enemy?

[viper37]

I really wish they wouldn't do that.

Why wouldn't they?

[Admiral Yi]

And how did they manage to do that while all the soldiers where there, on duty, on alert, ready to snipe at any suspicious movement?

I made the mistake of thinking you were actually curious how Hamas did it.

Please, entertain me.  How did Hamas achieve this incredible feat while the IDF was on full alert with all its army mobilized at the border posts, where it was, watching over every movements of its mortal enemy?

No.

[grumbler]

Please, entertain me.  How did Hamas achieve this incredible feat while the IDF was on full alert with all its army mobilized at the border posts, where it was, watching over every movements of its mortal enemy?

This is the False Dilemma Fallacy.  You are better than this.

[Zoupa]

I've largely kept out of this thread, because to be honest what else is there to say after 80 years of this.

But after reading the news about an IDF strike in northern Gaza yesterday that killed about 100 Palestinians (40 still under the rubble), I'm really wondering about their military's decision making process.

[crazy canuck]

I've largely kept out of this thread, because to be honest what else is there to say after 80 years of this.

But after reading the news about an IDF strike in northern Gaza yesterday that killed about 100 Palestinians (40 still under the rubble), I'm really wondering about their military's decision making process.

You are not the only one

From the NY Times

Matt Miller, a U.S. State Department spokesman, called the strike "a horrifying incident with a horrifying result" and said the Biden administration had contacted the Israeli government to ask what happened.

[Barrister]

I've largely kept out of this thread, because to be honest what else is there to say after 80 years of this.

But after reading the news about an IDF strike in northern Gaza yesterday that killed about 100 Palestinians (40 still under the rubble), I'm really wondering about their military's decision making process.

It's so hard to judge from afar.  We have no idea what intelligence the Israelis had - both about whatever target they were going after, or about risks to civilians.  We have no idea to what extend Hamas was deliberately using civilians as human shields (or not).

And of course we still have little to no idea what Israel's end goal is in their operations.

Depending on what the answers to those questions would be, Israel could be wholly justified, could be blood-thirsty monsters, or anywhere inbetween.

[Zoupa]

I'm hard pressed to think what possible target is worth the amount of civilian deaths.

[Zoupa]

As in, please give me realistic examples in which this strike would be "wholly justified", to quote BB.

[Admiral Yi]

I read an article in The Atlantic which described the rules of engagement for drone strikes in Afghanistan as 20 civilians for one high value target.  That's my benchmark.

[Razgovory]

I'm hard pressed to think what possible target is worth the amount of civilian deaths.

How do you know they were all civilians?