Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Valmy]

The Fuhrer is dead.  Perhaps they can be convinced lay down their arms.

Cut off one limb and two more will take its place.

Eventually. But there will be some temporary chaos that can have some advantages.

[Tamas]

The Fuhrer is dead.  Perhaps they can be convinced lay down their arms.

Cut off one limb and two more will take its place.

Eventually. But there will be some temporary chaos that can have some advantages.

Yeah. I mean, after this mayhem, when will Gazans have the means again to threaten an October 7 level of attack? 10 years, 20?

[viper37]

Yeah. I mean, after this mayhem, when will Gazans have the means again to threaten an October 7 level of attack? 10 years, 20?

There will be no more Gaza, no more West Bank and no more Palestinians in Israel in that time frame so that won't really be a problem.  They'll be cornered in a small piece of desert where they IDF will monitor them.  

There won't be any valuable land to steal anymore, so the IDF won't be operating 1000km away instead of protecting its citizens when the lion's cage is wide open.  Unless Netanyahu's successor decides to keep fighting in Lebanon.

[The Minsky Moment]

Eventually. But there will be some temporary chaos that can have some advantages.

By definition, a temporary advantage. And then what?

Almost every leader of a major anti-Israel terrorist organization got their job because Israel assassinated the guy before.  Those prior assassination caused some degradation and temporary chaos, but ultimately they did not work to Israel's advantage.  In some cases (eg Nasrallah), the result was a new leader that was more effective and vigorous.

That's not to say that Israel should refrain from targeting leadership - there are good reasons to do that.  But in itself, such kilings can only accomplish so much.

[The Minsky Moment]

Yeah. I mean, after this mayhem, when will Gazans have the means again to threaten an October 7 level of attack? 10 years, 20?

The means on Oct 7 were motorcycles and small arms. Oct 7 could happen not because of the incredible material and logistical capability Hamas could amass, but because the Israelis took their eye off the ball in Gaza. 

The belief that Gazans won't have the ability to pull of such attack for another 10-20 years is the most likely contributor to the possibility that they could.

[Admiral Yi]

The means on Oct 7 were motorcycles and small arms. Oct 7 could happen not because of the incredible material and logistical capability Hamas could amass, but because the Israelis took their eye off the ball in Gaza. 

The belief that Gazans won't have the ability to pull of such attack for another 10-20 years is the most likely contributor to the possibility that they could.

Oct 7 could happen because Hamas devised a clever way of neutralizing the Israeli defenses.

[viper37]

but because the Israelis took their eye off the ball in Gaza. 

because an incompetent moron didn't heed the warnings of his own intelligence officers, his neighbor's intelligence agency and his and his ally intelligence agency.

Each and every time his answer was: "The IDF is busy conducting anti terrorism operation in the West Bank, stop bothering us".

By anti terrorism operation, what the PM meant was supporting the terror action of the colonists against the civilian Palestinians defending themselves.

None of this would have happened otherwise.  The Hamas had a full year to prepare themselves unimpeded since the first intelligence reports by those watching them. Had he done his job, there would have been no Oct. 7th.

Even without any incursion in Gaza, the IDF could have stopped them from committing a mass slaughter, but a simple strategic bombardment on Hamas positions were they were seen training a few months before the attacks would had been sufficient to disrupt their plans.

But the IDF was busy elsewhere, doing something else much more vital to Israel's security, according to Bibi.

[viper37]

The means on Oct 7 were motorcycles and small arms. Oct 7 could happen not because of the incredible material and logistical capability Hamas could amass, but because the Israelis took their eye off the ball in Gaza. 

The belief that Gazans won't have the ability to pull of such attack for another 10-20 years is the most likely contributor to the possibility that they could.

Oct 7 could happen because Hamas devised a clever way of neutralizing the Israeli defenses.

What is it they neutralized? Which defenses?

[Admiral Yi]

What is it they neutralized? Which defenses?

The sensors on top of each automated weapons bunker.

[viper37]

What is it they neutralized? Which defenses?

The sensors on top of each automated weapons bunker.

And how did they manage to do that while all the soldiers where there, on duty, on alert, ready to snipe at any suspicious movement?

[OttoVonBismarck]

Yes, the Israelis shifted to a very low manpower, tech based surveillance of the Gaza border. It was basically not suitable for any meaningful attack at scale.

They would not need some massive like Korean DMZ level of presence to prevent it, they would just need to have kept up the manpower levels they previously had prior to like 2018 or so whenever it started to change to the pre-Oct 7th stance.

[OttoVonBismarck]

By anti terrorism operation, what the PM meant was supporting the terror action of the colonists against the civilian Palestinians defending themselves.

The what? You mean the West Bank Arabs, who are actually supposed to be living in Jordan, and who largely support terrorism?

[viper37]

By anti terrorism operation, what the PM meant was supporting the terror action of the colonists against the civilian Palestinians defending themselves.

The what? You mean the West Bank Arabs, who are actually supposed to be living in Jordan, and who largely support terrorism?

You meant the subhuman scum who should not be living where they've been living for centuries because some Jews decided all the lands from the River to the sea belong to them and no one else?

No, sorry, I don't share this vision of a modern Lebensraum.  I wonder all far Bibi will extend his borders this time.  Can't settle for the West Bank alone, he's on a roll after all.  He promised to destroy Lebanon, but didn't say what he'd do with the wrecked territory after that.  

Than, there's Iran.  The Germans wanted to deport the Jews to Madagascar at some point.  I wonder if Bibi doesn't have a plan like that for Iran.  Bomb the place to smithereens, dump the Palestinians over there, watch the chaos from his retreat.

[Admiral Yi]

And how did they manage to do that while all the soldiers where there, on duty, on alert, ready to snipe at any suspicious movement?

I made the mistake of thinking you were actually curious how Hamas did it.

[grumbler]

The what? You mean the West Bank Arabs, who are actually supposed to be living in Jordan, and who largely support terrorism?

No, the West Bank Jews, who are actually supposed to be living in Israel, and who largely support terrorism.