2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Razgovory]

I got a response on Facebook that I thought I would repost.  As it happens I can't even find what he was responding to,  But this is the guy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088347254669

So Orange man bad essentially right, it's not false I have transcribed court records as it's public information and frankly I don't give a single fuck anymore who you vote for or believe. The MSM are lair and have been caught endlessly in this process. Why they've gone after one single person for so long is certainly interesting to me but you all just keep right believing them because it helps your cognitive dissonance. The difference between you and I is that I actually voted Democrats and for Obama twice as well as voted for Sanders in the Primary and realized that this party is corrupt. The republican part is corrupt as well as they all fall under the legal structure of the UCC which is to their benefit because it monetizes our legal system. Everyone who runs for office is either a lawyer or a politician hand picked by the elites. The difference is that DJT was neither and has put up with this same shit for the last 9 years now where prior EVERYONE loved him and he was a great celebrity but because the MSM has dubbed him orange man and liberals continue to just double and triple down on the same Bullshit time and time again ignoring congressional testimony, whistle blowers, court cases and love love love to bring up the some 60+ court caes that were thrown regarding 2020. Well, Trump didn't file 60+ court cases he filed THREE court cases and Powell of her own doing filed THREE and under "laches" and lack of standing as the arguments for NOT HEARING THE CASE. They were dismissed which means NO EVIDENCE COULD BE SUBMITTED, NO discovery, or cross examination occurred but in your minds, that means there was no fraud, which it doesn't. The the interpretation of these type of dynamics in information and conclusive processing is an anomaly to me. How some people cannot seem to connect incidences that are suspect which the very nature of solving crimes in the first place. The fact that Biden got half the number of counties as Obama, yet somehow gets 12 million more votes seem logical and rational to only people who voted for him. The fact that Biden or Harris for that matter cannot even draw a crowd at their rallies that is not CGI or bussed in payed people to attend and DJT fills entire stadiums over and over and over and over again doesn't even cause people to question the validity of an outcome. Count stopping in the middle an election, "nothing to see here", boarding up polling places and windows after hours, "nothing to see here. Ruby Freedmon and State farm arena after hours " nothing to see here." GEO tracking on cell phone, video footage of people dumping hundreds of ballots at various drop boxes caught on camera over and over and over again. " nothing to see here" 2000 mules " Ahh right wing conspiracy debunked. 165,000 votes missing from the GA election that just came out 6 months ago and no explanation from the GA legislation. "nothing to see here" Zucherburg admitting he was coerced unto suppressing information around the Biden lap top and taking down legitimate information. "Nothing to see here. It goes on and on and on, incident after incident after incident and you all just dismiss all of it as some sort of unconnected series of events when they are all interconnected. The difference here is that these incidences have had a much greater impact on various levels to the general population. If you can't figure this out at this point then you're either an AI/bot, shill or just fucking stupid at this point.

There is only one possible response to this

[Valmy]

The fact that Biden or Harris for that matter cannot even draw a crowd at their rallies that is not CGI or bussed in payed people to attend

Biden didn't have rallies in 2020 because there was Covid. That is a recycled talking point from the Clinton campaign.

This is the kind of thing about these supposed "truth tellers" is that they just ask you reject your own eyes and ears and experience and then insist that everybody else is a liar.

Like the flat earthers. I mean just fucking go outside and look around with your damn eyes. Now that doesn't prove the earth is round but it sure as fuck proves it isn't flat. But yes you are advancing the truth against a vast conspiracy even though you are the ones demanding everybody ignore the evidence of their own damn eyes.

[The Minsky Moment]

I got a response on Facebook that I thought I would repost.  As it happens I can't even find what he was responding to,  But this is the guy https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088347254669

The republican part is corrupt as well as they all fall under the legal structure of the UCC which is to their benefit because it monetizes our legal system.

Does he mean the Uniform Commercial Code?? 

love love to bring up the some 60+ court caes that were thrown regarding 2020. Well, Trump didn't file 60+ court cases he filed THREE court cases and Powell of her own doing filed THREE and under "laches" and lack of standing as the arguments for NOT HEARING THE CASE. They were dismissed which means NO EVIDENCE COULD BE SUBMITTED, NO discovery, or cross examination occurred but in your minds, that means there was no fraud, which it doesn't.

It's interesting to see how reality gets filtered through this bizarro-world perspective.

Around 60 cases were brought in some part challenging the results of the 2020 election.  It's true that for standing and other reasons not every single one was brought specifically in the name of Trump or the Trump campaign, but they were all brought by allied groups on his behalf and he made motions to join a few.  Trump and his campaign were the named plaintiff in at least 15 separate cases. Not THREE.  Sidney Powell is a lawyer, not a plaintiff, and thus did not and could not bring such cases "of her own doing."  Many cases were dismissed for egregious procedural problems but others went to the merits, including the Wisconsin case that had the "laches" rulings.  A Michigan court found allegations of tampering unfounded. An Arizona court found no evidence of illegal votes or improper counts. Another Arizona federal case had a lengthy discussion of the various fraud theories and found no evidentiary support for any of them.  Several others reached merits rulings.

I personally read the supporting affidavits submitted in a few of the "leading" cases.  They were comically inadequate. In one case that stands out in my memory, the key support for the claims was an affidavit where the first half contained a long explanation why the affiant's prior convictions for sexual crimes should not negatively impact his credibility. It then proceeded to give an account of what he overheard someone saying about what someone else claimed to have seen and overheard, with zero corroboration of any of the details.

[Razgovory]

Keep in mind the guy claims a master's degree from Liberty University...

[OttoVonBismarck]

The GOP's performance with non-whites was definitely a concern back in '08 and '12. But what I think many didn't anticipate is the collapse of the Democrats support among lower income and working class whites, combined with the Hispanic vote proving to not be very reliably Democratic. In many ways I usually tend towards rejecting the "Hispanic vote", it is a political demography term that does not map well to actual people. There are lots of Americans with ancestral backgrounds in Spanish speaking countries. Many of them just view themselves as "white Americans", others view themselves as specific demographic groups like "Venezuelan", "Cuban", "Mexican" etc, and each of those groups has pretty different political leanings and histories. IMO that explains why the "Hispanic vote" is such an inconsistent label when it comes to election results. It is a term that describes too many disparate groups that swing on too many different, not necessarily related, issues.

[Valmy]

Yeah the right wing populists really got us with that one.

[Valmy]

Though there must be something working in the Democrats favor as well as we went from losing 20% to 5% in statewide elections in Texas despite losing all the Hispanics and poor whites.

[viper37]

Another interesting rant from Trump

"In my opinion the Jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss," Trump said at the event hosted by Republican donor Miriam Adelson. "It's only because of the Democrat hold, or curse, on you."


Trump went on to repeatedly suggest his backing for Israel should result in more political support among Jewish Americans, and at one point conflated Jewish Americans with the state of Israel itself.


"More than any people on Earth, Israel has to defeat her," he said, adding that "there's no way that I should be getting 40% of the vote — I'm the one who is protecting you."

[Valmy]

Another interesting rant from Trump

"More than any people on Earth, Israel has to defeat her," he said, adding that "there's no way that I should be getting 40% of the vote — I'm the one who is protecting you."

What is he doing to protect anybody? He isn't currently President.

[The Minsky Moment]

Last time Trump was President, one of his early supporters shot up a synagogue. I don't feel the protection.

[Syt]

https://qz.com/elon-musk-kamala-harris-donald-trump-doomed-spacex-mars-1851654671

Elon Musk says a Kamala Harris presidency would 'doom humanity' and 'destroy' the Mars program

Humanity needs to become multi-planetary before a "supervirus" or "nuclear war" ravages the Earth, Musk said

According to SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, if Vice President Kamala Harris wins the 2024 presidential election, we can say goodbye to life as we know it — eventually.

"While I have many concerns about a potential Kamala regime, my absolute showstopper is that the bureaucracy currently choking America to death is guaranteed to grow under a Democratic Party administration," Musk, who has endorsed Former President Donald Trump's White House bid, wrote on X Sunday.

"This would destroy [NASA's] Mars program and doom humanity," he added, calling the upcoming November election "a fork, maybe the fork, in the road of human destiny."

Musk's latest attack on Harris and government regulations comes as he continues to accuse federal agencies — including the Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission — of engaging in lawfare against SpaceX.

After the Federal Aviation Administration proposed fines against SpaceX over unapproved changes before rocket launches, Musk said he would sue the agency and falsely accused them of ignoring safety issues at other companies. He's also taken aim at environmental safety regulators and at the Secret Service, which investigated his recent comments that were seen by some as a veiled threat against the vice president and President Joe Biden.

Musk founded SpaceX in the early 2000s with the goal of eventually colonizing Mars. On Sunday, he said SpaceX plans to launch five uncrewed Starship megarockets to Mars in two years, with crewed missions set for 2028 assuming that those go well. Part of his frustration with the FAA stems from the agency's slow approach to approving launches of his Starship megarocket, which has only had four test launches.

In his post Sunday, Musk warned that humanity needs to become "sustainably multi-planetary" before something happens to humanity, hypothesizing about nuclear war or a "supervirus." But this isn't the first time that Musk has forecast an apocalyptic scenario that will doom society.

He's warned about population collapse due to low-fertility rates, artificial intelligence-powered robots taking over the world like something straight out of "The Terminator" (Musk's Tesla (TSLA +4.28%) has its own humanoid robots), a repeat of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, and even the sun engulfing and incinerating the Earth (which isn't expected for at least seven billion years).

[garbon]

As if he cares about humanity.

[Valmy]

They are just saying anything aren't they?

It may be working, the polls that came out today look grim.

[Razgovory]

Last time Trump was President, one of his early supporters shot up a synagogue. I don't feel the protection.

I think this needs to emphasized.  I have been extremely critical of the antizionist left, but they are fairly small, if obnoxious, faction.  Right-wing Antisemitism perpetrated the worst mass killing of Jews in US history less than 8 years ago.

[Sheilbh]

I think this needs to emphasized.  I have been extremely critical of the antizionist left, but they are fairly small, if obnoxious, faction.  Right-wing Antisemitism perpetrated the worst mass killing of Jews in US history less than 8 years ago.

Yes. I think Charlottesville is still the best representation of the forces activated right now (perhaps more so than even January 6).

I'd add there is out and out Nazism on Twitter specifically now. It shows that however poor old Twitter's moderation and controls were and that is always whack-a-mole, it was (significantly more) effective. I think in particular in not allowing those accounts to reach a degree of critical mass as hubs.