Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Jacob]

Crazy_Ivan80, given your general opinion of the immigrants coming to Europe do you really want to give a large number of them military training, combat experience, and potentially condition them to be okay with violence?

[Josquius]

All brings to mind what's the point in beating Russia if you have to become Russia to do so.

Not happening of course. Massively against international law on a variety of fronts.

[Tamas]

Since we are hating on people, just wanted to mention that Russia holding the line and having reserves for an offensive means their conscripts are holding the line, so on the earlier topic of feeling sorry for Russian soldiers, no fuck them.

[Tamas]

Some Russian military blogger who was like an active duty soldier on the front and who wrote about huge Russian losses at Advidka-whatever (16k causalities according to him) have "committed suicide".

[crazy canuck]

Well yes, making those comments publicly was committing suicide.

[Admiral Yi]

On Ivan's proposal, Obama did propose that quote unquote dreamers could earn citizenship through military service.

[Admiral Yi]

Some dude analyzes weekly major equipment losses for Ukraine and Russia.

[grumbler]

Was listening ti a report from Ukraine on NPR that made it clear that the Ukrainian retreat from Avdivka was pretty disastrous.  Apparently, the UA waited too long to retreat and had to retreat down a road under heavy Russian shelling, losing a number of vehicles and being forced to leave a substantial portion of the force behind, including most of the wounded.

Might be a "heads must roll" situation.

[viper37]

An new old idea for a new old world, given that the post ww2 liberal world order is basically done.

IIRC, the Roman Empire still ended up falling to barbarians from the East. Twice.

[HVC]

An new old idea for a new old world, given that the post ww2 liberal world order is basically done.

IIRC, the Roman Empire still ended up falling to barbarians from the East. Twice.

In part because of all the mercenaries they trained militarily

[DGuller]

Was listening ti a report from Ukraine on NPR that made it clear that the Ukrainian retreat from Avdivka was pretty disastrous.  Apparently, the UA waited too long to retreat and had to retreat down a road under heavy Russian shelling, losing a number of vehicles and being forced to leave a substantial portion of the force behind, including most of the wounded.

Might be a "heads must roll" situation.

I've heard a similar thing.  I'm starting to wonder whether Zelensky is lacking in the better part of valor department, and is prone to overplaying his hand.  The counter-offensive that set Ukraine up for disaster this year was clearly going nowhere long before it was called off, and both Bakhmut and Avdiivka was held too stubbornly to the point that it was Ukraine being bled dry by attrition rather than Russia.

[OttoVonBismarck]

To be fair both battles inflicted lots of attritional losses on Russia—but Ukraine doesn't have the relative manpower for such exchanges to be a good thing, Russia does (to an extent.)

[Zoupa]

Bakhmut saw the elimination of Wagner, arguably the best fighting force for russia.

Avdiivka is a different story. This was a front line city for 10 years, with fortifications and bunkers all over. The Ukrainian defensive lines behind Avdiivka are much less fortified. Avdiivka was lost due to lack of artillery and mortar ammunition, not because Ukraine decided to hang around too long.

Expect more of the same all over the line of contact for 2024 if the US congress does not pass the bill. European capabilities are ramping up but not until 2025 at the earliest.

[grumbler]

Bakhmut saw the elimination of Wagner, arguably the best fighting force for russia.

Avdiivka is a different story. This was a front line city for 10 years, with fortifications and bunkers all over. The Ukrainian defensive lines behind Avdiivka are much less fortified. Avdiivka was lost due to lack of artillery and mortar ammunition, not because Ukraine decided to hang around too long.

Expect more of the same all over the line of contact for 2024 if the US congress does not pass the bill. European capabilities are ramping up but not until 2025 at the earliest.

They lost Avdiika due to a lack of shells.  The lost was disastrous because they waited to long to pull back, were effectively encircled, and so needlessly lost a lot of men and equipment.

[Zanza]

During WW1, about 850 million artillery shells were used on the Western Front, more than half a million per day. So 110 years ago, our economies were able to produce sufficient shells. I don't get why it is not possible now.