[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Barrister]

Easier to just call him Polly or PP, but it could come across as disrespectul so I'm endeavouring to spell Poilievre correctly.

I figure if I can refrain from calling out PM TURDeau or something equally inane, you can probably manage Poilievre.

That being said, honestly mis-spelling Poilievre is not a big deal either. 

Pierre is fine if you don't object to our PM being called Justin.

[crazy canuck]

Easier to just call him Polly or PP, but it could come across as disrespectul so I'm endeavouring to spell Poilievre correctly.

I figure if I can refrain from calling out PM TURDeau or something equally inane, you can probably manage Poilievre.

That being said, honestly mis-spelling Poilievre is not a big deal either. 

Pierre is fine if you don't object to our PM being called Justin.

PP are his initials.  TURDeau is something only a MAGA conservative would have trouble stopping himself from uttering.

[Barrister]

Yeah, really, seriously.  Can you give an example of when either the Liberals or NDP blamed Harper for something he clearly did not cause?  For example, I have no recollection of either party blaming Harper for the economic melt down in 2008.

Gotcha.  I see the game here.

When Poilievre blames the NDP-Liberals, it's for thing that are entirely outside of their control and thus unfair - despite Trudeau being in power for 10 years.

When Dion/Ignatieff/Trudeau blamed Harper, it's for thing that were entirely under Harper's control and thus justified and fair.

[crazy canuck]

Again what are you talking about.  You said I failed to remember when Harper was blamed for everything.  But I don't recall that happening because it didn't happen.

Now rather than explaining to me why your very broad assertion was correct, you now accuse me of playing a game?

Maybe drop the rhetoric and either defend your statement or walk away from it.

[crazy canuck]

When Poilievre blames the NDP-Liberals, it's for thing that are entirely outside of their control and thus unfair - despite Trudeau being in power for 10 years.

This deserves its own response. 

PP has blamed Trudeau for inflation.  Nonsense, given the fact that it was a global phenomenon and Canada actually faired better than most.

PP has blamed Trudeau for the price of housing.  Nonsense, given the fact that house prices have been rising for decades and is also a global phenomenon.

No one blamed Harper for the meltdown in 2008.  Back then social media bubbles were not what they are today and it would have been laughable if anyone had tried.  But today, when PP spouts his nonsense you and others lap it up and defend it.

[Jacob]

Pierre is fine if you don't object to our PM being called Justin.

Seems overly familiar for a politician to my ears, and typically increases the odds of confusion.

[Barrister]

When Poilievre blames the NDP-Liberals, it's for thing that are entirely outside of their control and thus unfair - despite Trudeau being in power for 10 years.

This deserves its own response. 

PP has blamed Trudeau for inflation.  Nonsense, given the fact that it was a global phenomenon and Canada actually faired better than most.

PP has blamed Trudeau for the price of housing.  Nonsense, given the fact that house prices have been rising for decades and is also a global phenomenon.

No one blamed Harper for the meltdown in 2008.  Back then social media bubbles were not what they are today and it would have been laughable if anyone had tried.  But today, when PP spouts his nonsense you and others lap it up and defend it.

I know this won't convince you in the slightest, but for those in the peanut gallery...

There's a pretty fine line between blaming the government of the day for the problem, and blaming the government of the day for their response to the problem.

I VERY much remember in 2008 that Stephane Dion, Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton were highly critical of how Harper dealt with the 2008 financial crises.  I'm sure you'll recall how they tried to bring down the very-newly elected government with a 3-way coalition in response.  But then according to you they were only dealing with Harper's response, so that's valid.

I would really challenge that housing is a global issue - it's not even a Canada-wide issue.  But let's put that to the side for the moment.

Poilievre has been critical of how Trudeau has dealt with the issues of housing and inflation.  But then according to you those are global issues, so the criticism is invalid.

That's why I'm not going to play this game.

[crazy canuck]

When Poilievre blames the NDP-Liberals, it's for thing that are entirely outside of their control and thus unfair - despite Trudeau being in power for 10 years.

This deserves its own response. 

PP has blamed Trudeau for inflation.  Nonsense, given the fact that it was a global phenomenon and Canada actually faired better than most.

PP has blamed Trudeau for the price of housing.  Nonsense, given the fact that house prices have been rising for decades and is also a global phenomenon.

No one blamed Harper for the meltdown in 2008.  Back then social media bubbles were not what they are today and it would have been laughable if anyone had tried.  But today, when PP spouts his nonsense you and others lap it up and defend it.

I know this won't convince you in the slightest, but for those in the peanut gallery...

There's a pretty fine line between blaming the government of the day for the problem, and blaming the government of the day for their response to the problem.

I VERY much remember in 2008 that Stephane Dion, Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton were highly critical of how Harper dealt with the 2008 financial crises.  I'm sure you'll recall how they tried to bring down the very-newly elected government with a 3-way coalition in response.  But then according to you they were only dealing with Harper's response, so that's valid.

I would really challenge that housing is a global issue - it's not even a Canada-wide issue.  But let's put that to the side for the moment.

Poilievre has been critical of how Trudeau has dealt with the issues of housing and inflation.  But then according to you those are global issues, so the criticism is invalid.

That's why I'm not going to play this game.

I agree entirely that there is a difference between blaming a politician for a circumstance occurring and criticizing the way a politician deals with the situation.

If you go back to the videos you have posted here, PP is doing the former not the latter.  He explicitly says Trudeau caused inflation, as an example.

If it was the latter, we could have a good and maybe even productive debate.  We might even find some agreement. But that is not what is occurring.

Also, I point you back to your first post, which was that I did not recall Harper being blamed for everything. That in fact did not happen.  And you appear to be backing away from that position now.

[Grey Fox]

It seems my future prime minister is Paul St-Pierre-Plamondon, PSPP.

 

[Josephus]

I think youse guys need to learn to spell the name of your next PM.

I will learn it when and if he does become PM. Otherwise I'm not gonna waste my time.

[HVC]

It seems my future prime minister is Paul St-Pierre-Plamondon, PSPP.

 

Sounds like his ancestors were close personal friends of one or more of the Louis'

[Barrister]

If Canadians could vote in US elections Trump would lose 67-33% - but that still means one third of Canadians would vote for Trump.

https://sparkadvocacy.ca/insights/2024/01/trump-would-lose-canada-but-not-by-as-much-as-you-might-think

[Jacob]

Gratifyingly fewer Trump supporters than I feared.

[Barrister]

I knew it wasn't zero, but that was more than I feared.

BY the way, not that any of you are going to shed a tear for the fate of the Conservative Party, but that's the tight-rope the CPC has to walk.  A sizeable portion of it's voters are Trumpy, but going all in on Trumpy language limits you to only one third of the votes - not enough to win.  Completely rejecting Trump language means gifting many of those voters to Maxime Bernier.

So Poilievre has to be a little bit Trump, but not too much.

[Jacob]

I find it a fascinating process to observe, and I'm definitely interested in the nitty gritty of how it plays out.