Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Crazy_Ivan80]

And now it starting to look like we won't even be able to promise cash either due to, amongst others, Hungary, Slovakia, Austria and apparently budgetary issues in Germany...

And congress seems to be fiddling around to in the US.

[Zoupa]

Yep. Looks like Putin wins again.

His strategy of just waiting for the West to tire is working.

The europeans have done fuck all to restart production of artillery and mortar ammo and other essentials, and the US GOPtards have decided to let Ukraine die to please daddy Trump.

We're in for a few decades of shit. Good job everyone.

[Razgovory]

Yep. Looks like Putin wins again.

His strategy of just waiting for the West to tire is working.

The europeans have done fuck all to restart production of artillery and mortar ammo and other essentials, and the US GOPtards have decided to let Ukraine die to please daddy Trump.

We're in for a few decades of shit. Good job everyone.

I feel the same way.

[Sheilbh]

And now it starting to look like we won't even be able to promise cash either due to, amongst others, Hungary, Slovakia, Austria and apparently budgetary issues in Germany...

Yes. The further we go the more clear it was a very, very bad decision by VDL to tie Ukrainian aid approval with the EU budget negotiations.

I can see how she thought it would work, but sadly seems to have done the opposite.

[Zoupa]

Mighty russia at work. That's a 1960's anti-aircraft vehicle, with cope cage, tires and rusted slat metal as armor.

Go die for Putin in that piece of shit contraption, you idiots.

[Zoupa]

Also of note: it's being used in direct fire mode instead of AA. They probably spotted a civilian car in the distance or a library they haven't destroyed yet. Fucking ghouls.

[Tamas]

Mighty russia at work. That's a 1960's anti-aircraft vehicle, with cope cage, tires and rusted slat metal as armor.

Go die for Putin in that piece of shit contraption, you idiots.

Strong Mad Max vibes.

[Josquius]

Yet they're currently winning. Ukraine's support is collapsing

[Tamas]

Yet they're currently winning. Ukraine's support is collapsing

Let's not let ourselves influenced by Russian propaganda too much. There is a slight risk of support eventually collapsing, nothing more.

EU negotiations always come down to the last moment, so do US budgetary ones. It's part of their twisted political games.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah - and support for Ukraine isn't collapsing in the EU. The issue is that the Commission tied together the next €50 billion support for Ukraine to passing the EU's budget request (which includes a big, non-Ukraine related increase).

The hope was the opposite that support for Ukraine would be sufficient leverage to get the budget signed off. As it turned out that wasn't the case - particularly given the budgetary mess in Germany following the Constitutional Court ruling (which I don't think would necessarily impact support for Ukraine, but does general spending such as EU funding).

Obviously the other route for Europe would be if the EU assumed more fiscal autonomy through more common debt issuance

[Josquius]

Yet they're currently winning. Ukraine's support is collapsing

Let's not let ourselves influenced by Russian propaganda too much. There is a slight risk of support eventually collapsing, nothing more.

EU negotiations always come down to the last moment, so do US budgetary ones. It's part of their twisted political games.

What Russian propaganda?
The mess in the US is coming from regular western news sources.

[Tamas]

Yet they're currently winning. Ukraine's support is collapsing

Let's not let ourselves influenced by Russian propaganda too much. There is a slight risk of support eventually collapsing, nothing more.

EU negotiations always come down to the last moment, so do US budgetary ones. It's part of their twisted political games.

What Russian propaganda?
The mess in the US is coming from regular western news sources.

Temporary uncertainty in the level of Western support isn't equal to Russia winning, though.

[Josquius]

Yet they're currently winning. Ukraine's support is collapsing

Let's not let ourselves influenced by Russian propaganda too much. There is a slight risk of support eventually collapsing, nothing more.

EU negotiations always come down to the last moment, so do US budgetary ones. It's part of their twisted political games.

What Russian propaganda?
The mess in the US is coming from regular western news sources.

Temporary uncertainty in the level of Western support isn't equal to Russia winning, though.

It isn't equal to Russia having won, but its definitely equal to Russia winning in the currently happening sense.
Support for Ukraine is the main front where the war will be won or lost. And currently Russia's allies in the west are crushing it, meanwhile Russia seems to have transitioned to a war economy quite effectively- they have the will power to completely burn everything to the ground whilst they wait for Ukraine's support to vanish.

Of course needs noting if Russia wins this war it will be very much a pyric victory from their POV. They would still have been better off not fighting the war at all. But from a Ukrainian POV that doesn't really help. Russia is still occupying a lot of their territory.

[Legbiter]

Mighty russia at work. That's a 1960's anti-aircraft vehicle, with cope cage, tires and rusted slat metal as armor

[Tamas]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/10/hungary-viktor-orban-republicans-ukraine-aid?s=03

Why cannot Orban be sanctioned for supporting Russia's war effort?