Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Caliga]

According to CNN: Ukrainian drone strike on Wagner assets in Sudan today.

[jimmy olsen]

According to CNN: Ukrainian drone strike on Wagner assets in Sudan today.

I saw that. Seems a waste of effort and material, but I suppose they're sending a statement that no where is safe.

[Barrister]

According to CNN: Ukrainian drone strike on Wagner assets in Sudan today.

Saw that story as well.  I don't know what to make of it.

[Grey Fox]

It's great news. We all need, for different reasons, reminders that Russia is always working against the West. It's not a partner.

[Barrister]

It's great news. We all need, for different reasons, reminders that Russia is always working against the West. It's not a partner.

Well the larger question is why would Ukraine use it's scarce resources to get involved in the Sudanese coup/civil war/whatever is going on there.

I hate to get conspiratorial, but I wonder if it's done under the direction of the US, using Ukrainians to be able to maintain US deniability?

Whats also weird is these videos were leaked on the inernet, and made it seem pretty obvious they were Ukrainian drone operators (some of the words on the drone footage are in Ukrainian).  Someone wanted the world to know Ukraine was involved.

[Jacob]

Hypothetical Scenario: Someone local pays the Ukrainians cold hard cash to strike the Russian mercenaries their rivals employ.

Benefit to Ukraine: The cost ($, opportunity) to provide some Ukrainian produced drones and operators is relatively small compared to the hard currency which Ukraine needs to sustain itself and its war effort (note current issues with exporting Ukrainian grain).

[Barrister]

Hypothetical Scenario: Someone local pays the Ukrainians cold hard cash to strike the Russian mercenaries their rivals employ.

Benefit to Ukraine: The cost ($, opportunity) to provide some Ukrainian produced drones and operators is relatively small compared to the hard currency which Ukraine needs to sustain itself and its war effort (note current issues with exporting Ukrainian grain).

I think any hard currency gain would be fairly insignificant compared to Ukraine's overall needs.  Besides at least so far Ukraine's needs are bging met.  I heard an interview with someone from the World Bank - apparently 100% of Ukraine's budget is being spent on the military right now.  All other expenditures - salaries, pensions and the like - are being covered by international donors.

Which is why I think it's more like "Hey Ukrainian military - we've given you so much in terms of training and material - would you mind doing us this one little favour...".

Not that the Ukrainians weren't paid for this - but I doubt that was the primary motivation here.

[Jacob]

Yeah it's an interesting question.

[crazy canuck]

A way to attack Russia without attacking within Russia?

[Sheilbh]

I think a large part is very simply propaganda/morale against Wagner specifically.

More broadly though, keep asking Russia questions in more and more fields. It may not cause huge shifts in resources (although I suspect the Moscow drones are having an impact on that) but may well be on attention. Can't help but feel there'll have been a few in the general staff/MoD asking similar questions today, not working on Ukraine.

[Jacob]

I think a large part is very simply propaganda/morale against Wagner specifically.

More broadly though, keep asking Russia questions in more and more fields. It may not cause huge shifts in resources (although I suspect the Moscow drones are having an impact on that) but may well be on attention. Can't help but feel there'll have been a few in the general staff/MoD asking similar questions today, not working on Ukraine.

Yup indeed. Ukraine can - largely - only be attacked in one spot. The Moscow regime has a much larger surface for attack. Would make sense for Ukraine to leverage that advantage.

That said, I suspect the FSB is going to start thinking about false-flag terrorist attacks to undermine Ukrainian support.

[DGuller]

Looks like Armenians capitulated already.  As we've seen in Afghanistan, there is no point in fighting when the outcome is predetermined.  Hopefully somehow they'll figure out a way to live in peace from now on, without any ethnic cleansing taking place.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Apparently discussions about Mirages for Ukraine are a thing too? Anyone heard anything about that?

[Josquius]

All seems very quiet in Ukraine lately. Surely fighting is continuing around Bakmut and Robotyne... But no news.

[viper37]

All seems very quiet in Ukraine lately. Surely fighting is continuing around Bakmut and Robotyne... But no news.

Russia sent the VDV over Bakhmut and they got trapped.
Russia's elite airborne troops lured into Bakhmut trap

Now, Ukraine is piercing over Robotyne.