Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[OttoVonBismarck]

I haven't bothered to skim or even look at these leaked documents partially out of laziness, partially out of I don't want leaked documents on my computers (although now that they're on major news websites it's probably w/e), but these were mostly briefing style intelligence documents as I understand it--not operational. At least that I have heard.

[Legbiter]

But also I remember being astounded at the number of people in the US who have top secret clearance after the Snowden leak - just checked and it's 1.3 million people. Which seems high.

If you don't have Top Secret clearance in the US are you even trying?

[Legbiter]

On a scale of 1-10 how fucked is this poor kid?

[Valmy]

On a scale of 1-10 how fucked is this poor kid?

110

[The Brain]

Well did he win the internet argument?

[OttoVonBismarck]

On a scale of 1-10 how fucked is this poor kid?

I think it's hard to say. Garland is charging him under the espionage act, so could be 10 years per count. Bradley Manning and Reality Winner, two recent (last 10-15 years) cases where a low level person leaked intel data got sentences in the 5-10 year range. I think Manning actually got like 12 years and a commutation after he'd served a few years.

It will depend largely on how they look at what he was doing. Some of the news reporting says he was leaking documents in many discrete incidents, over a period of months. He additionally started photocopying documents when he got tired of hand transcribing them. This could be legally different from dropping a big single "batch" which is what Manning and Winter did, and it could mean he's a lot more fucked. Maybe not though.

[Sheilbh]

It will depend largely on how they look at what he was doing. Some of the news reporting says he was leaking documents in many discrete incidents, over a period of months. He additionally started photocopying documents when he got tired of hand transcribing them. This could be legally different from dropping a big single "batch" which is what Manning and Winter did, and it could mean he's a lot more fucked. Maybe not though.

It wasn't even that he got tired of them - he wasn't being taken seriously enough by his internet friends

Late last year, a peeved OG fired off a message to all the members of the server. He had spent nearly an hour every day writing up "these long and drawn-out posts in which he'd often add annotations and explanations for stuff that we normal citizens would not understand," the member said. His would-be pupils were more interested in YouTube videos about battle gear.

"He got upset, and he said on multiple occasions, if you guys aren't going to interact with them, I'm going to stop sending them."

That's when OG changed tactics. Rather than spend his time copying documents by keyboard, he took photographs of the genuine articles and dropped them in the server. These were more vivid and arresting documents than the plain text renderings. Some featured detailed charts of battlefield conditions in Ukraine and highly classified satellite images of the aftermath of Russian missile strikes on Ukrainian electrical facilities. Others sketched the potential trajectory of North Korean ballistic nuclear missiles that could reach the United States. Another featured photographs of the Chinese spy balloon that floated across the country in February, snapped from eye-level, probably by a U-2 spy plane, along with a diagram of the balloon and the surveillance technology attached to it.

[grumbler]

Why the duck does the massachusettes national guard have access to this level of intelligence.
Hardly top secret...

I'm not sure what you mean.  What is hardly Top Secret?

Teixeira apparently worked as part of the support staff for the Air Force.  It's not yet clear how he accessed the documents.

[Legbiter]

It wasn't even that he got tired of them - he wasn't being taken seriously enough by his internet friends

Explaining Languish to the wider global public is going to be so awkward when the time comes.

[Razgovory]

Well did he win the internet argument?

He was arguing with Berkut, so no.  It's still going on.

[Sheilbh]

I'm not sure what you mean.  What is hardly Top Secret?

Teixeira apparently worked as part of the support staff for the Air Force.  It's not yet clear how he accessed the documents.

Yeah apparently "Cyber Transport Systems Journeyman" which sounds like military for IT - so maybe a little like Snowden.

[Hamilcar]

Well did he win the internet argument?

Imagine losing the internet argument AND going to forever jail. Talk about a bad day.

[Barrister]

What's so funny about this story is that while I would never, ever do such a thing, after almost half a lifetime on Languish I can totally understand the impulse.

[crazy canuck]

Well did he win the internet argument?

Imagine losing the internet argument AND going to forever jail. Talk about a bad day.

 

[Admiral Yi]

Hey Tonto, why is it always the Air Force?