Finland, Sweden + NATO

[Tamas]

Yes. Oglekville rings a bell for that.
I imagine he and the confederate weeb are off happily living together.

Last I heard Lettow fulfilled his life's ambition getting a japanese wife and living off her family.

[Solmyr]

Finnish parliament has officially voted to apply for NATO membership, 188 to 8.

[Jacob]

[Legbiter]

The Finnish PM is in Kænugarði.



Probably brought along some extra weapon guarantees although the Finns have been pretty tight-lipped about what they're sending.

[Eddie Teach]

Is that their daughter?   

[Solmyr]

Finnish PM visiting Bucha.

[Threviel]

Damn, that's a moment to feel the full weight of her office, to see what could happen to her people if she fucks up.

Impressive woman that, not even 40 and leading her country in a difficult time onto new paths. I envy Finland their leadership at times like this.

[Solmyr]

Yeah, she's had every possible shitty thing happening while she's been in office. First the pandemic and now this war. And of course right-wing old men trying to topple her government every chance they get.

[Sheilbh]

Sweden has lifted their ban on selling arms to Turkey.

[Threviel]

Yippiee, we are finally growing up and stepping down from the high horse.

Also on Marin  :

[mongers]

Can we just have them both in NATO like now.

That way we get to see Putin/Russia throth a lot and before Western military help helps decisively tip the battlefield momentum in Ukraine's favour, which no doubt will cause all sorts of extra throthing about a nuclear apocalypse etc.

I basically want two seperate episodes of Russia going mental, hopefully ramping up Putin's blood pressure to dangerous levels for a much longer time.

[The Brain]

The Swedish government appears determined to get a "no" from NATO. Digging in on Turkish issues.

[Jacob]

The Swedish government appears determined to get a "no" from NATO. Digging in on Turkish issues.

How so? Unwilling to throw Kurds under the bus or pretend Erdogan is not a autocrat?

[The Brain]

The Swedish government appears determined to get a "no" from NATO. Digging in on Turkish issues.

How so? Unwilling to throw Kurds under the bus or pretend Erdogan is not a autocrat?

To defeat a vote of no confidence against a minister they made a deal with an MP from Kurdistan that includes various matters of support for Kurdish movements etc.

It remains unclear why the opposition wanted to sabotage the NATO application. Maybe time will tell.

[Jacob]

The Swedish government appears determined to get a "no" from NATO. Digging in on Turkish issues.

How so? Unwilling to throw Kurds under the bus or pretend Erdogan is not a autocrat?

To defeat a vote of no confidence against a minister they made a deal with an MP from Kurdistan that includes various matters of support for Kurdish movements etc.

It remains unclear why the opposition wanted to sabotage the NATO application. Maybe time will tell.

So if I understand your perspective correctly:

The opposition decided to try to bring the justice minister down (which essentially would bring the government down). To survive, the government needed to rely on independent MP Ms. Kakabaveh, whom the Turkish government wants extradited for her time in an Iranian based Kurdish militia.

If the opposition had not pressed for a confidence vote, the government would've had more room to maneouvre re: Ms. Kakabaveh and the whole thing would've been lower profile. Thus, the opposition's actions jeopardizes Swedish NATO application because it seems designed to rile up Turkey as much as possible.

Is that correct?

Though in theory, if the opposition had triggered an election they could - in theory - have campaigned on more pro-Turkish, anti-Kurdish notes and if they won could've sweetened Erdogan sufficiently.