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Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Jacob

#7755
April 13, 2022, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2022, 06:38:50 PMI really hope it wasn't Ukrainian ammunition that detonated on that ship.

Why?

Legbiter

#7756
April 13, 2022, 06:49:15 PM
Careless of the Russians to lose their Black Sea flagship like that. I guess the Western anti-ship missiles have arrived.
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FunkMonk

#7757
April 13, 2022, 06:55:26 PM
Is this roughly the equivalent of the US losing a CVN in the Iraq War?
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Legbiter

#7758
April 13, 2022, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 13, 2022, 06:55:26 PMIs this roughly the equivalent of the US losing a CVN in the Iraq War?

Not as bad I think but still pretty fucked up. Moskva was the ship who took prisoner the Snake Island garrison at the beginning of the war.
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DGuller

#7759
April 13, 2022, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 13, 2022, 06:44:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2022, 06:38:50 PMI really hope it wasn't Ukrainian ammunition that detonated on that ship.

Why?
The quantity of Russian ammunition on a Russian ship is vastly greater than the quantity of Ukrainian ammunition, even if Ukrainians are very accurate.

Jacob

#7760
April 13, 2022, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 13, 2022, 07:13:57 PMThe quantity of Russian ammunition on a Russian ship is vastly greater than the quantity of Ukrainian ammunition, even if Ukrainians are very accurate.

Ah!

Then the ideal would be that the Ukrainian detonated on the ship, in turn detonating all the Russian ammunition :)

grumbler

#7761
April 13, 2022, 07:21:34 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 13, 2022, 06:08:12 PMRIA Novosti reporting that ammunition detonated on the ship because of a fire. So it sounds like the Russians are as close to confirming it as we can expect. Wonder what caused the fire? Wonder whose ammunition? :hmm:

That ship was a Slava class cruiser (in fact, used to the Slava itself).  Those are packed with long-range missiles, under the old Soviet concept that they'd always shoot first, and then inevitably get blown to pieces, so offense was all-important.  Those missiles don't like getting bumped by enemy high explosives, and take out their crankiness in a series of big booms of their own. 

Hitting one of those is like hitting an ammo dump.  You don't need to send in much boom of your own.
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Legbiter

#7762
April 13, 2022, 07:25:48 PM Last Edit: April 13, 2022, 07:36:26 PM by Legbiter
Russian MoD is saying the ammunition stores blew up but crew were evacuated safely.

So, massive loss of life along with her sinking I guess. :hmm:

Hopefully a Ukrainian tug boat snuck off with the wreck.
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HVC

#7763
April 13, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
Wiki has the status if the Moskva as "on fire" :lol:
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grumbler

#7764
April 13, 2022, 08:06:49 PM
Moscow and fire never seem to be far apart, do they?
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grumbler

#7765
April 13, 2022, 08:15:31 PM
The missile was the Ukrainian version of the Russian version of the Harpoon missile, so not one of the monster SSMs.  But, like I said, you don't have to introduce a lot of boom to one of those ex-Soviet cruisers to ensure that it has a Bad Day.
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Razgovory

#7766
April 13, 2022, 08:21:41 PM
I don't know much about Navy stuff, so takes this for what it's worth.  A flagship is a where a fleet is commanded from, right?  Instead of putting big missiles on it why not just make it a smaller ship that's harder to damage but has lots of communication equipment?
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Jacob

#7767
April 13, 2022, 08:53:18 PM
From twitter:
QuoteWe should be skeptical about reports that the Ukrainian military badly damaged Russia's flagship cruiser. It's possible Moskva simply fell out of a window and then sunk to the bottom of the Black Sea.

Crazy_Ivan80

#7769
April 14, 2022, 12:50:46 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 13, 2022, 07:25:48 PMRussian MoD is saying the ammunition stores blew up but crew were evacuated safely.

So, massive loss of life along with her sinking I guess. :hmm:

Hopefully a Ukrainian tug boat snuck off with the wreck.

It would have to be a fisherman to stay with the meme...
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