http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-seal-chris-kyle-killed-gun-range-marine/story?id=18389238
QuoteFormer Navy SEAL Chris Kyle Killed at Gun Range; Former Marine Charged
A former Marine has been charged with three counts of murder in the killing of former Navy SEAL and "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle, the most deadly sniper in U.S. history, and another man at an Erath County, Texas, gun range, police said.
"We have lost more than we can replace. Chris was a patriot, a great father, and a true supporter of this country and its ideals. This is a tragedy for all of us. I send my deepest prayers and thoughts to his wife and two children," Scott McEwen, co-author of "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History," said in a statement to ABC News.
Remembering Kyle for the number of Iraqi insurgents he killed misstates his legacy, McEwen said.
"His legacy is not one of being the most lethal sniper in United States history," McEwen said. In my opinion, his legacy is one of saving lives in a very difficult situation where Americans where going to be killed if he was not able to do his job."
Kyle and a neighbor of his were shot at a gun range in Glen Rose while helping a former Marine who was recovering from post traumatic stress syndrome, ABC affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas reported.
The suspect, identified as Eddie Ray Routh, 25, was arrested in Lancaster, Texas, after a brief police chase, a Lancaster Police Department dispatcher told ABC News. Routh was driving Kyle's truck at the time of his arrest, police said.
Routh was arraigned Saturday evening on one count of capital murder and two counts of murder. He was brought to the Erath County Jail this morning and was being held there today on a combined $3 million bond, Officer Kyle Roberts said.
Investigators told WFAA that Routh is a former Marine said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome.
Kyle helped found a nonprofit that provides at-home fitness equipment for emotionally and physically wounded veterans, but the director of the foundation said Kyle and Routh had not met through the organization.
"Chris was literally the type of guy if you were a veteran and needed help he'd help you," Travis Cox, the director of FITCO Cares, told The Associated Press. "And from my understanding that's what happened here. I don't know how he came in contact with this gentleman, but I do know that it was not through the foundation."
Authorities identified the other man who was killed with Kyle as 35-year-old Chad Littlefield, who Cox said was Kyle's neighbor and friend.
Kyle, 38, served four tours in Iraq and was awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals, and one Navy and Marine Corps Commendation.
From 1999 to 2009, Kyle recorded more than 150 sniper kills, the most in U.S. military history.
After leaving combat duty, Kyle became chief instructor training Naval Special Warfare Sniper and Counter-Sniper teams, and he authored the Naval Special Warfare Sniper Doctrine, the first Navy SEAL sniper manual. He left the Navy in 2009.
"American Sniper," which was published last year by William Morrow, became a New York Times best seller.
"We are devastated by the news of Chris Kyle's death," William Morrow executive editor Peter Hubbard said in a statement. "It was an incomparable honor to help share Chris's story of service and faith with the world. Chris was a hero as much on the home front as on the battlefield -- a man who dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends. He deserves our deepest respect. Our prayers are with his family and the entire military community. He will never be forgotten."
Kyle was also an advocate for his fellow service members suffering from PTSD, creating a foundation to help with their treatment.
In an interview on Guns.com, he discussed the difficulty troops face coming home from combat zones.
"All of a sudden you don't have no identity," he said "And you have to learn a whole new way to act."
Brandon Webb, a fellow SEAL who knew Kyle from SEAL Team Three then later when Webb was an instructor at the SEAL sniper course, called him a "larger than life Texan" and said he "will go down in history as one of the world's most accomplished military snipers, right next to Carlos Hathcock, and Lyudmila Pavlichenko."
"Chris was very adamant about supporting veterans issues," Webb said. "This was an subject close to his heart, and not many in our community realize how much of his time was spent on veterans' causes. ... Chris will be remembered as a great American Hero, and another friend lost but not forgotten."
Cox said Kyle's wife Taya and their children "lost a dedicated father and husband" and the country has lost a "lifelong patriot and an American hero."
"Chris Kyle was a hero for his courageous efforts protecting our country as a U.S. Navy SEAL during four tours of combat. Moreover, he was a hero for his efforts stateside when he helped develop the FITCO Cares Foundation. What began as a plea for help from Chris looking for in-home fitness equipment for his brothers- and sisters-in-arms struggling with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) became an organization that will carry that torch proudly in his honor," Cox said in a statement.
The fatal shooting comes after week filled with gun-related incidents, as the national debate heats up on what to do about gun violence.
In the past week, a teen who participated in President Obama's inaugural festivities was shot to death in Chicago, a bus driver was fatally shot and a 5-year-old was taken hostage in Alabama, and a Texas prosecutor was gunned down outside a courthouse.
Clearly, to avoid such tragedies in future, everyone at a shooting range should be armed.
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
:lol: Well, if that's what you douche bags think, then I guess I
am sorry he's dead. I'd have figured this guy for a self-important jerk if you self-important jerks hadn't so obviously disowned him!
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
:huh:
Quote from: Jaron on February 03, 2013, 07:17:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
:huh:
Mart is just mad Kyle didn't use magic.
RIP Chief.
Although..is a gun range really the best place to deal with PTSD?
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
Cunt
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
Cunt
And yet, he wonders why there's so much violence on fags in the world: because the world reads Marti's posts.
Stay classy Marty, stay classy.
Crassness Tim. Crassness. Lawyers have no class.
I'm surprised people fell for Marty's drive-by troll; it was best unreplied to.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 07:45:02 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
Cunt
And yet, he wonders why there's so much violence on fags in the world: because the world reads Marti's posts.
:yeahright:
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 08:26:34 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 07:45:02 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
Cunt
And yet, he wonders why there's so much violence on fags in the world: because the world reads Marti's posts.
:yeahright:
guilt by association :P
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 08:26:34 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2013, 07:45:02 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 03, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
Poetic justice. Karma is a bitch. Dog eat dog. Live by the sword die by the sword. Psychos kill psychos. Film at 11. Etc. Etc.
Cunt
And yet, he wonders why there's so much violence on fags in the world: because the world reads Marti's posts.
:yeahright:
Well, I certainly wouldn't fuck with you.
We barely read Marti's posts, so I hardly think the world reads them.
Quote from: mongers on February 03, 2013, 08:20:49 PM
I'm surprised people fell for Marty's drive-by troll; it was best unreplied to.
I was just looking to use that word today and it fit him to a tee.
I'm surprised you guys all reacted to Marty's nonsense.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 03, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
I'm surprised you guys all reacted to Marty's nonsense.
We're bored.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 03, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
I'm surprised you guys all reacted to Marty's nonsense.
Just watched another fake cunt lip sync the halftime show
Besides Matrys fake. Prob isnt even gay.
49% German, 49% Russian, 2 % retard.
So is 11B4V's trying to outclass Marti in this thread? He's failing but cheers to the effort?
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 09:13:44 PM
So is 11B4V's trying to outclass Marti in this thread? He's failing but cheers to the effort?
Beefore is a mountain redneck, Marti is a Pole...really it is a push.
Quote from: PDH on February 03, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 09:13:44 PM
So is 11B4V's trying to outclass Marti in this thread? He's failing but cheers to the effort?
Beefore is a mountain redneck, Marti is a Pole...really it is a push.
mountain redneck :huh: You guys really dont pay attention.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: PDH on February 03, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 09:13:44 PM
So is 11B4V's trying to outclass Marti in this thread? He's failing but cheers to the effort?
Beefore is a mountain redneck, Marti is a Pole...really it is a push.
mountain redneck :huh: You guys really dont pay attention.
You'd need to say something worth listening to.
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 09:22:59 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: PDH on February 03, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 09:13:44 PM
So is 11B4V's trying to outclass Marti in this thread? He's failing but cheers to the effort?
Beefore is a mountain redneck, Marti is a Pole...really it is a push.
mountain redneck :huh: You guys really dont pay attention.
You'd need to say something worth listening to.
You responded didnt you. :blurgh:
Quote from: 11B4V on February 03, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: PDH on February 03, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 09:13:44 PM
So is 11B4V's trying to outclass Marti in this thread? He's failing but cheers to the effort?
Beefore is a mountain redneck, Marti is a Pole...really it is a push.
mountain redneck :huh: You guys really dont pay attention.
Made you post!
I don't understand why Mart is so focus on the status of the victim. He's the worse kind of gay it seems, a pacifist.
Quote from: garbon on February 03, 2013, 08:28:10 PM
We barely read Marti's posts, so I hardly think the world reads them.
I read about one Marty post every month or two, and each time it reminds me how worthless he is. That's more than plenty.
Well, boo hoo, forgive me I do not shed tears for a hired killer. :rolleyes:
The only thing I regret is that it wasn't one of the soldiers from this board.
Quote from: Syt on February 03, 2013, 02:28:20 PM
Clearly, to avoid such tragedies in future, everyone at a shooting range should be armed.
:XD:
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 03:21:12 AM
Well, boo hoo, forgive me I do not shed tears for a hired killer. :rolleyes:
The only thing I regret is that it wasn't one of the soldiers from this board.
I feel a bit of the collective guilt for having created this. Maybe we should have listened to LaCroix. Probably was too late though.
This? I had no part in creating the vapid, selfcentered faux Polish lawyer.
No, but in transforming the vapid self-centeredness into bitter, hateful trolling.
I think you are giving us way too much credit, pretty sure he was incredible douche before EUOT.
You really can't blame him. He doesn't even understand half the words he uses.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 04, 2013, 05:24:47 AM
You really can't blame him. He doesn't even understand half the words he uses.
I haven't attacked you in this thread (or any other recently) yet you constantly spew insults and ad homs at me. You are a crazy miserable piece of shit. You are a subhuman. You are unable to function on your own and you continue being a parasite leeching off your family and the society at large. You should kill yourself and save your family trouble, because you are the most useless person I know.
:lol: I was defending you!
somebody went to work in his big boy pants again!
Tamas, why are you calling him fat?
:unsure: I think we broke him.
Quote from: DGuller on February 04, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
:unsure: I think we broke him.
nah, anytime something pisses him off in the real world (usually boy toy) he comes here and vents. He'll be back to his slightly less angry self soon enough.
Quote from: DGuller on February 04, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
:unsure: I think we broke him.
He was like that when we found him.
Quote from: HVC on February 04, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 04, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
:unsure: I think we broke him.
nah, anytime something pisses him off in the real world (usually boy toy) he comes here and vents. He'll be back to his slightly less angry self soon enough.
What seems odd is that he'd post such things on an easily accessible part of the internet. These aren't exactly the sort of comments one would want other parties in one's life to know about.
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Quote from: HVC on February 04, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 04, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
:unsure: I think we broke him.
nah, anytime something pisses him off in the real world (usually boy toy) he comes here and vents. He'll be back to his slightly less angry self soon enough.
What seems odd is that he'd post such things on an easily accessible part of the internet. These aren't exactly the sort of comments one would want other parties in one's life to know about.
I couldn't care less. :huh:
My original post (about karma etc.) is an almost verbatim translation of the Polish language post I made under my real name (using my Facebook account) on the article in Polish about this guy being killed. It reflected the general sentiment of 99% of those commenting.
Quote from: garbon on February 04, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
What seems odd is that he'd post such things on an easily accessible part of the internet. These aren't exactly the sort of comments one would want other parties in one's life to know about.
He's a Polack. Polacks are immune to shame; Marti genuinely thinks that soldiers are "hired killers" and, in Polackistan, that isn't an unusual belief.
Luckily, most Polacks are smart enough to hide their shamelessness when communicating with First-Worlders. Marti is an exception.
Sorry, unlike you, we are not blind worshipers of the military. Quite the contrary, really.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
I couldn't care less. :huh:
My original post (about karma etc.) is an almost verbatim translation of the Polish language post I made under my real name (using my Facebook account) on the article in Polish about this guy being killed. It reflected the general sentiment of 99% of those commenting.
What is your problem with the military? Sure, the Americans have weird relationships with theirs but they are an essential part of a modern western country.
Chris Kyle was a killer, he's a sniper it's what they are trained to do. Most of his targets have been muslims. You know what muslims do to people like you, right? You should be praising him & crying over his tomb.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
I couldn't care less. :huh:
My original post (about karma etc.) is an almost verbatim translation of the Polish language post I made under my real name (using my Facebook account) on the article in Polish about this guy being killed. It reflected the general sentiment of 99% of those commenting.
What is your problem with the military? Sure, the Americans have weird relationships with theirs but they are an essential part of a modern western country.
Chris Kyle was a killer, he's a sniper it's what they are trained to do. Most of his targets have been muslims. You know what muslims do to people like you, right? You should be praising him & crying over his tomb.
It's not just that he was a sniper. I read an interview with him and he was a fucked up, deranged psycho. Who was hailed as a "hero" only because he was working for the government. So yeah, I cheer his death and will cheer the death of anyone like him.
On top of that, I think military people (especially non-officers) are scum. They are deluded fools with fucked up priorities who get duped into being glorified hired killers and get special treatment from the government.
Wow. Keep digging, Marti.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
On top of that, I think military people (especially non-officers) are scum.
This seems odd, one would think you would hold those with more authority and responsibilities to a higher moral standard.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 04, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: HVC on February 04, 2013, 09:33:27 AM
Quote from: DGuller on February 04, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
:unsure: I think we broke him.
nah, anytime something pisses him off in the real world (usually boy toy) he comes here and vents. He'll be back to his slightly less angry self soon enough.
What seems odd is that he'd post such things on an easily accessible part of the internet. These aren't exactly the sort of comments one would want other parties in one's life to know about.
I couldn't care less. :huh:
My original post (about karma etc.) is an almost verbatim translation of the Polish language post I made under my real name (using my Facebook account) on the article in Polish about this guy being killed. It reflected the general sentiment of 99% of those commenting.
Weird, I would think one's employer would like to have employees that are a little more...circumspect.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 10:17:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 09:57:45 AM
I couldn't care less. :huh:
My original post (about karma etc.) is an almost verbatim translation of the Polish language post I made under my real name (using my Facebook account) on the article in Polish about this guy being killed. It reflected the general sentiment of 99% of those commenting.
What is your problem with the military? Sure, the Americans have weird relationships with theirs but they are an essential part of a modern western country.
Chris Kyle was a killer, he's a sniper it's what they are trained to do. Most of his targets have been muslims. You know what muslims do to people like you, right? You should be praising him & crying over his tomb.
It's not just that he was a sniper. I read an interview with him and he was a fucked up, deranged psycho. Who was hailed as a "hero" only because he was working for the government. So yeah, I cheer his death and will cheer the death of anyone like him.
On top of that, I think military people (especially non-officers) are scum. They are deluded fools with fucked up priorities who get duped into being glorified hired killers and get special treatment from the government.
Yes, Snipers are weird people. They watch a target for days, weeks before taking the shot. That will get to anyone's head.
Man, for all your anti catholicism, you are a living breeding 17th century one.
Military people are not different from you, they chose a different path. Yours is being a litigious feet licking anal hating asshole. Theirs is being stone cold government sanctioned killers.
You know who else celebrates when American soldiers are killed- Fred Phelps. :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 04, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
You know who else celebrates when American soldiers are killed- Fred Phelps. :P
:lol:
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 04, 2013, 10:54:34 AM
Man, for all your anti catholicism, you are a living breeding 17th century one.
Marty, breeding? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 04, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
You know who else celebrates when American soldiers are killed- Fred Phelps. :P
:lol:
Marty, presumably you feel the same way about Polish policemen and members of the Polish Home Army? Or say members that of the Free Polish Army that participated at Normandy?
Look who's the centre of attention.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 11:11:00 AM
Marty, presumably you feel the same way about Polish policemen and members of the Polish Home Army? Or say members that of the Free Polish Army that participated at Normandy?
Would not surprise me. Despite the occasional polack outburst, he's mostly a self-hating polack.
The only thing that seems to strike a chord with him is the Katyn massacre.
Quote from: mongers on February 04, 2013, 11:14:41 AM
Look who's the centre of attention.
He always manages it. :D
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
It's not just that he was a sniper. I read an interview with him and he was a fucked up, deranged psycho. Who was hailed as a "hero" only because he was working for the government. So yeah, I cheer his death and will cheer the death of anyone like him.
Even for you this is pretty stupid.
Quotea man who dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends. He deserves our deepest respect....
Kyle was also an advocate for his fellow service members suffering from PTSD, creating a foundation to help with their treatment....
"Chris was very adamant about supporting veterans issues," Webb said. "This was an subject close to his heart, and not many in our community realize how much of his time was spent on veterans' causes....
Moreover, he was a hero for his efforts stateside when he helped develop the FITCO Cares Foundation. What began as a plea for help from Chris looking for in-home fitness equipment for his brothers- and sisters-in-arms struggling with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) became an organization that will carry that torch proudly in his honor," Cox said in a statement....
We need more Chris Kyles and less Martis in this world.
Ron Paul made an noteworthy Tweet
QuoteChris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
It's nice the Paul and Marty are on the same page.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 04, 2013, 03:00:42 PM
Ron Paul made an noteworthy Tweet
QuoteChris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
It's nice the Paul and Marty are on the same page.
Not being on the same page as you is enough for me.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 04, 2013, 02:29:45 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
It's not just that he was a sniper. I read an interview with him and he was a fucked up, deranged psycho. Who was hailed as a "hero" only because he was working for the government. So yeah, I cheer his death and will cheer the death of anyone like him.
Even for you this is pretty stupid.
Quotea man who dedicated his life in recent years to supporting veterans and donated the proceeds of American Sniper to the families of his fallen friends. He deserves our deepest respect....
Kyle was also an advocate for his fellow service members suffering from PTSD, creating a foundation to help with their treatment....
"Chris was very adamant about supporting veterans issues," Webb said. "This was an subject close to his heart, and not many in our community realize how much of his time was spent on veterans' causes....
Moreover, he was a hero for his efforts stateside when he helped develop the FITCO Cares Foundation. What began as a plea for help from Chris looking for in-home fitness equipment for his brothers- and sisters-in-arms struggling with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) became an organization that will carry that torch proudly in his honor," Cox said in a statement....
We need more Chris Kyles and less Martis in this world.
Well, boo fucking hoo. So a psycho creates an organisation for other psychos who first signed up to kill people, and then got so down because of it, they started to off themselves.
As I said, psychos shooting each other at a shooting range is the karma's Christmas gift for humanity.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 04, 2013, 03:00:42 PM
Ron Paul made an noteworthy Tweet
QuoteChris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
It's nice the Paul and Marty are on the same page.
Not being on the same page as you is enough for me.
All this hostility, after I defended you on in this thread.
And for the record, I respect veterans who defend their own country from invaders. I have not an ounce of respect for sickos who sign up to go to some far off land to shoot people in some sort of imagined Playstation game, and then go so fucked up in their head, they can't function normally anymore. At least drug addicts and other people who get into psychological trouble due to some stuff they chose themselves are not directly hurting others in the process. Volunteer veterans with PTSD should be treated like rabid dogs.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
And for the record, I respect veterans who defend their own country from invaders. I have not an ounce of respect for sickos who sign up to go to some far off land to shoot people in some sort of imagined Playstation game, and then go so fucked up in their head, they can't function normally anymore. At least drug addicts and other people who get into psychological trouble due to some stuff they chose themselves are not directly hurting others in the process. Volunteer veterans with PTSD should be treated like rabid dogs.
Stay classy Marty. :)
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
And for the record, I respect veterans who defend their own country from invaders. I have not an ounce of respect for sickos who sign up to go to some far off land to shoot people in some sort of imagined Playstation game, and then go so fucked up in their head, they can't function normally anymore. At least drug addicts and other people who get into psychological trouble due to some stuff they chose themselves are not directly hurting others in the process. Volunteer veterans with PTSD should be treated like rabid dogs.
Stay classy Marty. :)
Nah, too many idiots of this particular brand that worships the barrel of a military gun on this forum.
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 03:10:12 PM
And for the record, I respect veterans who defend their own country from invaders. I have not an ounce of respect for sickos who sign up to go to some far off land to shoot people in some sort of imagined Playstation game, and then go so fucked up in their head, they can't function normally anymore. At least drug addicts and other people who get into psychological trouble due to some stuff they chose themselves are not directly hurting others in the process. Volunteer veterans with PTSD should be treated like rabid dogs.
Stay classy Marty. :)
Nah, too many idiots of this particular brand that worships the barrel of a military gun on this forum.
Well I'm sure you're balanced and well-reasoned arguments will show them the error of their ways. :)
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
Well I'm sure you're balanced and well-reasoned arguments will show them the error of their ways. :)
I'm in. Anyone who develops PTSD fighting a war in a country other than their own deserves to be shot. Unless they're drafted I think. :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
Well I'm sure you're balanced and well-reasoned arguments will show them the error of their ways. :)
I'm in. Anyone who develops PTSD fighting a war in a country other than their own deserves to be shot. Unless they're drafted I think. :)
No way, allowing yourself to be drafted is just another form of military gun worshiping.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
Well I'm sure you're balanced and well-reasoned arguments will show them the error of their ways. :)
I'm in. Anyone who develops PTSD fighting a war in a country other than their own deserves to be shot. Unless they're drafted I think. :)
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"Shayna...They joined the military, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em commit suicide!"
And if they didn't know they are too stupid to live.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 04, 2013, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:22:21 PM
Well I'm sure you're balanced and well-reasoned arguments will show them the error of their ways. :)
I'm in. Anyone who develops PTSD fighting a war in a country other than their own deserves to be shot. Unless they're drafted I think. :)
You are probably trolling but I agree.
This is hilarious. I think Marti must have some sort of mental illness, he's obviously high functioning enough to work and be part of society but these random emotional outbursts tell the tale.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 04, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
This is hilarious. I think Marti must have some sort of mental illness, he's obviously high functioning enough to work and be part of society but these random emotional outbursts tell the tale.
I think he's so fully invested in the victimhood paradigm that he feels no responsiblity to construct and operate by any sort of moral code. Morality for Marty consists of identifying The Bad People and hoping bad things happen to them.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 04, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
This is hilarious. I think Marti must have some sort of mental illness, he's obviously high functioning enough to work and be part of society but these random emotional outbursts tell the tale.
Yeah, he's certainly not right in the head. I think he's seeing a doctor now.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 04, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
This is hilarious. I think Marti must have some sort of mental illness, he's obviously high functioning enough to work and be part of society but these random emotional outbursts tell the tale.
I don't think "internet troll" is listed in DSM-IV (or the upcoming V for that matter). :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 04:48:24 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 04, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
This is hilarious. I think Marti must have some sort of mental illness, he's obviously high functioning enough to work and be part of society but these random emotional outbursts tell the tale.
I don't think "internet troll" is listed in DSM-IV (or the upcoming V for that matter). :hmm:
Most of the time I get the sense this is the true Marti and not merely a troll.
Quote from: Barrister on February 04, 2013, 03:13:01 PM
Stay classy Marty. :)
Stay? When has Marti ever been classy? This latest attack of verbal diarrhea is what he is going to "stay" with, and it is certainly amusing enough that I hope he never changes. Every forum needs a shit-flinging monkey, and he is a good one.
I agree BB, trolling is trolling and if that's what he's doing then oh well. I enjoy a troll now and again. But there are basic rules to trolling, and Marti's behavior suggests he's been trolling a long time or he's been unhinged a long time. If you're going to troll, and his opening post was clearly troll-like material, then if people take the bait you keep reeling them in. If they laugh at your obvious trolling and call you on it (as happened here), you go away or admit they've got you. Trolling is about pissing people off for entertainment, and while he got a few people riled up by and large the reaction his outburst got was derision and laughter. So then he segues into some weird half-made point about how it's moral to hope all psychopaths die, and that the military is evil and this board worships the military too much. You might be able to construct some argument using those general ideas, but if Marti wasn't trolling, and his follow up posts were his actual argument then he's an idiot. They had the depth and intellect of a fifteen year old's temper tantrum.
So that basically leaves us to conclude Marti is a troll, an idiot, or emotionally/mentally unstable. As much as Marti gets made fun of, I don't think he's stupid, so it just leaves options 1 and 2.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 04, 2013, 06:14:45 PM
So that basically leaves us to conclude Marti is a troll, an idiot, or emotionally/mentally unstable. As much as Marti gets made fun of, I don't think he's stupid, so it just leaves options 1 and 2.
:hmm:
I said it before, I do not troll per se. I simply treat the internet as an outlet for the aggressive side of my personality and to argue ideas that are probably not accepted by the majority - this is more often here than other places, as Languish is very Americanized, and American attitudes on many things are alien to me.
Anyways, it's good to see we turned another thread into a thread about me. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
On top of that, I think military people (especially non-officers) are scum.
This seems odd, one would think you would hold those with more authority and responsibilities to a higher moral standard.
That's not about a different standard. I don't know about the US, but here officers generally are trained differently and come from different backgrounds/motivations, than ordinary soldiers - by extension they have different attitudes about what they do and why they do it. They are also smart, know the risks and rewards and as such have a realistic view of the whole situation.
I suppose, my contempt for ordinary soldiers comes from the cognitive dissonance that is created by the society/government around them. In a sense, they are victims and dupes, often coming from poorer backgrounds and/or less mentally able people, who are tricked into risking their life and limb while fighting for interests that have very little to do with the safety of their own country; and then the society goes on to reinforce this trickery by treating the ones, who manage to luck out and survive, like some sort of heroes (with a corresponding wasteful spending of common resources), whereas their usefulness to the society is much lower than that of, say, doctors, teachers, or policemen.
If we made them realize instead that they are in fact dumb murder monkeys sent across the world to kill some brown people in the name of Uncle Petrodollar, perhaps less of them would join the military and instead do something productive and useful to the society with their lives.
So the whole hoax offends my sense of justice and fairness on several levels.
Of course, I know very well that I would get exactly the same reaction on this board from spelling out my reasons like that and from posting a short "troll" about karma like I did originally, so why bother trying to explain?
This is also a part of a broader problem which comes from the fact that there are certain jobs in the society that, arguably, need to be performed by someone, but which require a rather fucked up or seriously deluded mindset to perform. Other than soldiers, this includes professions like executioners, repo men, prison guards, defense attorneys, slaughterhouse workers, bail bondsmen and the like - essentially the moral equivalent of cesspit cleaners. In order to attract people to these jobs you have to create a sort of delusional ethos for them, so they do not feel all the time like pieces of shit.
Of course, the question is whether it is morally right to perpetrate such hoax in a society that, arguably, rests on the principle of letting free individuals make informed choices about their lives.
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
Anyways, it's good to see we turned another thread into a thread about me. :)
Is that why you made 5 posts in a row? :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 05, 2013, 02:06:37 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
Anyways, it's good to see we turned another thread into a thread about me. :)
Is that why you made 5 posts in a row? :P
That wasn't criticism. :P
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 01:25:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 04, 2013, 10:22:15 AM
On top of that, I think military people (especially non-officers) are scum.
This seems odd, one would think you would hold those with more authority and responsibilities to a higher moral standard.
That's not about a different standard. I don't know about the US, but here officers generally are trained differently and come from different backgrounds/motivations, than ordinary soldiers - by extension they have different attitudes about what they do and why they do it. They are also smart, know the risks and rewards and as such have a realistic view of the whole situation.
Shouldn't they then be judged more harshly then if you believe the military is acting immorally? They are the ones responsible for its actions. Furthermore, being more educated, they are doubtlessly more aware of the moral arguments against their profession.
Putting it simply an intelligent man who commits murder should be judged more harshly then a stupid man, because the intelligent man should better understand what he is doing is wrong.
That's not the point I am making though.
I am not objecting to the potentially objective necessity of the military. I am objecting to the undeserved and misleading reputation military people have in the society.
Just as I think that defense attorneys are necessary, even if they get murderers and child rapists out of prison. However, I object when they try to pain themselves as some sort of selfless defenders of justice and freedom.
Based on the officers I have met, they have a much more healthy and professional-like attitude to being in the military and not one based on hero worship.
I guess this is consistent with the line of thinking I have always displayed on many things.
We, as a society, engage in various arguably necessary but morally questionable practices. We engage in external wars which are not moral in the just war sense (we are not defending ourselves) yet are necessary to maintain our lifestyle. We kill animals even if we do not absolutely have to, because we like eating meat or wear fur. We punish people who commit most serious crimes with death penalty, because sometimes this is the only just and appropriate sentence.
That being said, while all of these actions are necessary, they are not something we should be proud of. And whenever we start to revel in them, worshipping or cheering on people who perform these functions, my stomach begins to churn.
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags), this goes for considering soldiers to be heroes, this goes for staging public executions etc.
Yes, sometimes we have to do ugly things, but at least have some decendy about it to be ashamed.
I think we can all agree that you need to be more ashamed of yourself.
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
We, as a society, engage in various arguably necessary but morally questionable practices. We engage in external wars which are not moral in the just war sense (we are not defending ourselves) yet are necessary to maintain our lifestyle. We kill animals even if we do not absolutely have to, because we like eating meat or wear fur. We punish people who commit most serious crimes with death penalty, because sometimes this is the only just and appropriate sentence.
We in the West do the same things. We just understand them better than you non-Westerners, so we don't get our panties in a twist when something unfortunate happens.
I think that this is probably because we have the Enlightenment in our cultural background, and you do not.
Yep, Marti is Christian.
I don't understand why people always get shocked or interact with Marti. He's an angry gay with a fair degree of self-loathing (probably because of his Polish background) which he hasn't fully come to terms with. He's afraid to come out at the office, so constructs elaborate stories about his "friend," and takes out that shrillness by pretending to be a militant gay online. It's sad, but not worth indulging.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 05, 2013, 02:06:37 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
Anyways, it's good to see we turned another thread into a thread about me. :)
Is that why you made 5 posts in a row? :P
Makes it convenient to scroll on by. :)
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
I guess this is consistent with the line of thinking I have always displayed on many things.
We, as a society, engage in various arguably necessary but morally questionable practices. We engage in external wars which are not moral in the just war sense (we are not defending ourselves) yet are necessary to maintain our lifestyle. We kill animals even if we do not absolutely have to, because we like eating meat or wear fur. We punish people who commit most serious crimes with death penalty, because sometimes this is the only just and appropriate sentence.
That being said, while all of these actions are necessary, they are not something we should be proud of. And whenever we start to revel in them, worshipping or cheering on people who perform these functions, my stomach begins to churn.
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags), this goes for considering soldiers to be heroes, this goes for staging public executions etc.
Yes, sometimes we have to do ugly things, but at least have some decendy about it to be ashamed.
This is not anywhere remotely close to cheering Kyle's death.
And he didn't have PTSD. He was trying to help others who did.
Look guys, it's not like Martinus is capable of functioning in a modern society. I really wouldn't sweat anything he says. It's like Raz talking, only more stupid and provincial.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 05, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
I guess this is consistent with the line of thinking I have always displayed on many things.
We, as a society, engage in various arguably necessary but morally questionable practices. We engage in external wars which are not moral in the just war sense (we are not defending ourselves) yet are necessary to maintain our lifestyle. We kill animals even if we do not absolutely have to, because we like eating meat or wear fur. We punish people who commit most serious crimes with death penalty, because sometimes this is the only just and appropriate sentence.
That being said, while all of these actions are necessary, they are not something we should be proud of. And whenever we start to revel in them, worshipping or cheering on people who perform these functions, my stomach begins to churn.
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags), this goes for considering soldiers to be heroes, this goes for staging public executions etc.
Yes, sometimes we have to do ugly things, but at least have some decendy about it to be ashamed.
This is not anywhere remotely close to cheering Kyle's death.
And he didn't have PTSD. He was trying to help others who did.
It's difficult to express one's ambivalence when one has 10 seconds of free time to post - that's why cheering someone's death was an approximation.
Anyway, as I said before, I read an interview with that guy and thought he was a particular scumbag.
But honestly Marti, don't you feel that you're worse?
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
It's difficult to express one's ambivalence when one has 10 seconds of free time to post - that's why cheering someone's death was an approximation.
:lol: No it's not. No sane person considers "he deserved to die" as any kind of approximation of "people in this line of work are held in unduly high regard." Not with 10 seconds to compose a post, not under any circumstances.
Quote from: Neil on February 05, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
But honestly Marti, don't you feel realize that you're worse?
FYP.
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags)
Hunting is more humane than getting your meat from a factory farm. It's sustainable and licenses are managed by Fish & Wildlife agencies. Maybe you're thinking of big game hunters or safari hunters or something.
Quote from: PRC on February 05, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags)
Hunting is more humane than getting your meat from a factory farm. It's sustainable and licenses are managed by Fish & Wildlife agencies. Maybe you're thinking of big game hunters or safari hunters or something.
Why would you think he's thinking at all?
Quote from: PRC on February 05, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags)
Hunting is more humane than getting your meat from a factory farm. It's sustainable and licenses are managed by Fish & Wildlife agencies. Maybe you're thinking of big game hunters or safari hunters or something.
A lot of families in rural New England depend no bringing in a dear every now and again to have meat on the table.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 05, 2013, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: PRC on February 05, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags)
Hunting is more humane than getting your meat from a factory farm. It's sustainable and licenses are managed by Fish & Wildlife agencies. Maybe you're thinking of big game hunters or safari hunters or something.
A lot of families in rural New England depend no bringing in a dear every now and again to have meat on the table.
I hope this means they bring a loved one along to share a meal of meat with you and not the German variant of what that could mean.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 05, 2013, 02:55:10 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on February 05, 2013, 01:48:08 PM
Quote from: PRC on February 05, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags)
Hunting is more humane than getting your meat from a factory farm. It's sustainable and licenses are managed by Fish & Wildlife agencies. Maybe you're thinking of big game hunters or safari hunters or something.
A lot of families in rural New England depend no bringing in a dear every now and again to have meat on the table.
I hope this means they bring a loved one along to share a meal of meat with you and not the German variant of what that could mean.
It's rural New England.
Judging by H.P. Lovecraft's view of the place, it could go either way. :hmm:
Quote from: Neil on February 05, 2013, 01:41:21 PM
Quote from: PRC on February 05, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 05, 2013, 05:14:26 AM
This goes for hunters (and that is why I consider hunting to be the pastime of scumbags)
Hunting is more humane than getting your meat from a factory farm. It's sustainable and licenses are managed by Fish & Wildlife agencies. Maybe you're thinking of big game hunters or safari hunters or something.
Why would you think he's thinking at all?
That's a great point!
And of course once Marti looks back and realizes no one took his troll seriously, he's trying to assert that he was making some nuanced argument. The problem is, even his nuanced argument is stupid. "I had to be a dick here because this is my outlet for it, and people respect the military too much!" This forum is by and large made up of people who have been heavily exposed to European forum posters since the late 1990s, which means Europeans shit-talking about the U.S. military is about as shocking as Elton John coming out as gay, and equally as un-interesting. Your argument is vapid and probably more embarrassing than if you had just left your original trolling post and not commented further. This isn't the High Road gun forums, no one here is a foaming at the mouth militarist who masturbates to open 1980s editions of Soldier of Fortune. You're just butthutt because you acted like an idiot and everyone laughed at you. That left you with a few options, you tried to do two classic ones that make it even worse: tried to clarify your position, then assert you don't care. The correct option would have been to just let your lead balloon lie on the ground.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 05, 2013, 06:08:51 PM
no one here is a foaming at the mouth militarist who masturbates to open 1980s editions of Soldier of Fortune.
Speak for yourself.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 05, 2013, 06:08:51 PM
And of course once Marti looks back and realizes no one took his troll seriously, he's trying to assert that he was making some nuanced argument. The problem is, even his nuanced argument is stupid. "I had to be a dick here because this is my outlet for it, and people respect the military too much!" This forum is by and large made up of people who have been heavily exposed to European forum posters since the late 1990s, which means Europeans shit-talking about the U.S. military is about as shocking as Elton John coming out as gay, and equally as un-interesting. Your argument is vapid and probably more embarrassing than if you had just left your original trolling post and not commented further. This isn't the High Road gun forums, no one here is a foaming at the mouth militarist who masturbates to open 1980s editions of Soldier of Fortune. You're just butthutt because you acted like an idiot and everyone laughed at you. That left you with a few options, you tried to do two classic ones that make it even worse: tried to clarify your position, then assert you don't care. The correct option would have been to just let your lead balloon lie on the ground.
The fact that you describe it as "Europeans shit-talking about the U.S. military" exactly underlines what I was saying.
The fact that this forum's jingoistic flag-waving Yanks have been exposed to people who do not have their heads so deep in the military butts does not mean this changed your attitudes a bit - it just shows there is no point in arguing as you will always see this as "Europeans shit-talking about the U.S. military".
Ergo, since arguing with you does not change shit, perhaps seeing coffins of your young compatriots coming home will - so every time this happens, it's an occassion to celebrate, as this advances your collective illumination.
You understand repeating something really stupid doesn't make it a more forceful argument?
Does anyone think that Marty isn't being an ass?
Quote from: Malthus on February 05, 2013, 03:49:33 PM
It's rural New England.
Judging by H.P. Lovecraft's view of the place, it could go either way. :hmm:
Judging from some of your stories, rural Ontario's not much different. :P
Quote from: Razgovory on February 06, 2013, 08:48:39 AM
Does anyone think that Marty isn't being an ass?
I'm reasonably sure that everyone is aware that he's being an ass. The question is whether or not he's being so deliberately in order to troll, or if it's just the way he really is.
Why should I care?
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2013, 11:17:30 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 06, 2013, 08:48:39 AM
Does anyone think that Marty isn't being an ass?
I'm reasonably sure that everyone is aware that he's being an ass. The question is whether or not he's being so deliberately in order to troll, or if it's just the way he really is.
Either way, he's getting the attention he wants. I think we'd all be best served by giving him less of it.
Quote from: garbon on February 06, 2013, 11:20:47 AM
Why should I care?
No real reason any of us should actually care; it's just that it can be fun to speculate.
Quote from: dps on February 06, 2013, 11:17:30 AM
I'm reasonably sure that everyone is aware that he's being an ass. The question is whether or not he's being so deliberately in order to troll, or if it's just the way he really is.
Not sure the choice is quite as binary as you make it out to be. Trolls are motivated by the desire to upset other people. Marty, the real person, enjoys making offensive comments. It validates his belief that he's bravely standing up the mob. So yes, he's trolling, and yes, that's just the way he is.
Quote from: Martinus on February 06, 2013, 03:45:31 AM
The fact that this forum's jingoistic flag-waving Yanks have been exposed to people who do not have their heads so deep in the military butts does not mean this changed your attitudes a bit - it just shows there is no point in arguing as you will always see this as "Europeans shit-talking about the U.S. military".
Heh. Even if this was an entirely fair assesment the reason you are not changing anybody's mind is because your arguements resemble those used by Fred Phelps.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 06, 2013, 06:58:24 AM
You understand repeating something really stupid doesn't make it a more forceful argument?
You understand that shit-flinging monkeys fling shit because of genetics, not choice?
Quote from: derspiess on February 06, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
Either way, he's getting the attention he wants. I think we'd all be best served by giving him less of it.
That depends on whether you think the shit-flinging Marti is more amusing than the Marti that bursts into tears and "quits forever" for four hours or so.
Quote from: grumbler on February 06, 2013, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 06, 2013, 11:43:07 AM
Either way, he's getting the attention he wants. I think we'd all be best served by giving him less of it.
That depends on whether you think the shit-flinging Marti is more amusing than the Marti that bursts into tears and "quits forever" for four hours or so.
Hmm... well, rage-quitting Marti is a fun spectacle.
I thought rage quit Marti was the reason we kept him around. Well that and the fact that CdM allows Marti to stay so long as Neil allows Timmay to stay.
I don't think Neil would let him perma-ban Marti either.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
I don't think Neil would let him perma-ban Marti either.
Purge Neil.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 06, 2013, 12:16:43 PM
Well that and the fact that CdM allows Marti to stay so long as Neil allows Timmay to stay.
Mutally Assured Annoyance.
You have got to be kidding me. Marty may not perfect but he is a beloved part of this forum. Think how much less histrionic things would be without him.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 01:04:15 PM
You have got to be kidding me. Marty may not perfect but he is a beloved part of this forum.
:yeahright:
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Think how much less histrionic things would be without him.
Yea, wouldn't it be lovely?
I prefer Marty around. He makes for an interesting case study.
Quote from: Maximus on February 06, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
Yea, wouldn't it be lovely?
Not really. Without him this thread would have just gotten a few 'absolutely appalling' type responses. Instead look at how it has brought us all together.
This place is boring enough already; we NEED people like Marty, Lettow and Siege.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
Quote from: Maximus on February 06, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
Yea, wouldn't it be lovely?
Not really. Without him this thread would have just gotten a few 'absolutely appalling' type responses. Instead look at how it has brought us all together.
If this is what it is like to be together, I'd rather be apart.
Finally I agree with Max on something.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 01:04:15 PM
You have got to be kidding me. Marty may not perfect but he is a beloved part of this forum. Think how much less histrionic things would be without him.
:lol:
Uh... no. No he isn't.
He's the part that won't go away no matter what, so you try to ignore him as much as possible. Basically, Marty is like herpes.
After 10+ years has Marty not made his way into your hearts just a bit? :( Are you people made of stone?
Far be it for me to cast the first stone, so I won't. :whistle:
I don't like you either Valmy.
Quote from: katmai on February 06, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
I don't like you either Valmy.
Sure you're not confusing him with BB? :ph34r:
Quote from: katmai on February 06, 2013, 02:05:56 PM
I don't like you either Valmy.
Obviously since you always led me on talking like you were going to come by Austin. :angry:
Longhorn Nation is its own brand of insanity.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 06, 2013, 02:33:20 PM
Longhorn Nation is its own brand of insanity.
I have noticed my desire to grasp firmly on reality slipping away with every UT loss :(
But Peter Angelos has not been helping either.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 02:37:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 06, 2013, 02:33:20 PM
Longhorn Nation is its own brand of insanity.
I have noticed my desire to grasp firmly on reality slipping away with every UT loss :(
But Peter Angelos has not been helping either.
Say Val, you noticed how many texans Urban smuggled away from the schools in your state?
I've counted at least 3 so far.
It's too big a state for Austin to get 'em all.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2013, 04:43:16 PM
It's too big a state for Austin to get 'em all.
And Texas only had 15 to give away this year anyway.
Still Meyer is one hell of a recruiter. The part that blows my mind is how Ole Miss, of all people, raided Texas as if they were Alabama or something. Smells fishy to me.
SEC> Big XII
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2013, 04:43:16 PM
It's too big a state for Austin to get 'em all.
And Texas only had 15 to give away this year anyway.
Still Meyer is one hell of a recruiter. The part that blows my mind is how Ole Miss, of all people, raided Texas as if they were Alabama or something. Smells fishy to me.
Letting a 5 star LB get away though....tsk tsk.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 04:44:47 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2013, 04:43:16 PM
It's too big a state for Austin to get 'em all.
And Texas only had 15 to give away this year anyway.
Still Meyer is one hell of a recruiter. The part that blows my mind is how Ole Miss, of all people, raided Texas as if they were Alabama or something. Smells fishy to me.
Letting a 5 star LB get away though....tsk tsk.
Texas A&M has higher rated class then Longhorns :contract:
HA
Quote from: katmai on February 06, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
Texas A&M has higher rated class then Longhorns :contract:
It's a shame they're not gonna play Texas while they still have Manziel.
This is how you deal with polack magic faggotry. A sports hijack.
Quote from: katmai on February 06, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
Texas A&M has higher rated class then Longhorns :contract:
And they also did back in 2005, the last time Texas only had 15 Scholarships to give out. That is not say this was a great recruiting class but it I am pretty satisfied...would have liked to see more defensive players though considering they had the worst D in school history last year.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2013, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 06, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
Texas A&M has higher rated class then Longhorns :contract:
It's a shame they're not gonna play Texas while they still have Manziel.
Why is that a shame? :unsure:
Not having to watch corps turds and dog graveyards makes me giddy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
This is how you deal with polack magic faggotry. A sports hijack.
There is no one better at the hijack!
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 05:04:18 PM
Why is that a shame? :unsure:
Would have been a good window for them to claw some wins out in the series. (Your cue to repeat the question.) :homestar:
Quote from: katmai on February 06, 2013, 04:46:29 PM
SEC> Big XII
Duh. SEC > Everybody. But Ole Miss has not been winning any of those national titles....or much of anything really.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 06, 2013, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 05:04:18 PM
Why is that a shame? :unsure:
Would have been a good window for them to claw some wins out in the series. (Your cue to repeat the question.) :homestar:
So....why is that a shame? :P
Vince Young sucks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
Vince Young sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4jkvvdR0a4
:contract:
I just gave a thumbs up to a 4 year old post on youtube. :blush:
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
Vince Young sucks.
What ever happened to VY anyways?
[quick google]
I see - signed, then cut, by the Bills in 2012. Looks to be out of football.
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
Vince Young sucks.
What ever happened to VY anyways?
[quick google]
I see - signed, then cut, by the Bills in 2012. Looks to be out of football.
Fat and broke. That is alright Austin will look after him. Kind of funny since the NFL suddenly decided running QBs are cool.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 05:26:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
Vince Young sucks.
What ever happened to VY anyways?
[quick google]
I see - signed, then cut, by the Bills in 2012. Looks to be out of football.
Fat and broke. That is alright Austin will look after him. Kind of funny since the NFL suddenly decided running QBs are cool.
They've been cool since Vick's first year. Unfortunately they also have short expiration dates.
Quote from: derspiess on February 06, 2013, 05:33:46 PM
They've been cool since Vick's first year. Unfortunately they also have short expiration dates.
Nah that was just Vick. Now they are running the pistol and zone read which is exactly what Vince was so great at doing.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 05:35:45 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 06, 2013, 05:33:46 PM
They've been cool since Vick's first year. Unfortunately they also have short expiration dates.
Nah that was just Vick. Now they are running the pistol and zone read which is exactly what Vince was so great at doing.
Still-- expiration dates :contract:
The pistol and zone-read are already over in the pros. There's film and an offseason, so I fully expect yet another setback for the mobile quarterback next year. Those who can't make the conversion to pocket passers will join Vince Young in obscurity.
It's no conincidence that the pocket passer won the Superbowl, just like every time this matchup comes up.
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 05:26:01 PM
Kind of funny since the NFL suddenly decided running QBs are cool.
Running QBs are cool.
Running QBs saying they're suicidal and driving to the team complex at 11pm to sit in the parking lot with a gun are not so cool.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 06, 2013, 01:14:30 PM
I prefer Marty around. He makes for an interesting case study.
Quite
Quote from: Valmy on February 06, 2013, 05:16:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 06, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
Vince Young sucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4jkvvdR0a4
:contract:
Let me guess. 2005 Texas-Ohio State? I'M NOT EVEN GUNNA LOOK.
seems obvious to me. martinus has an opinion: "military men, especially those who are tasked with utter murder of an individual and repeat it on a monthly basis, are akin psychopaths either by nature or developed through experience; they would be persecuted against back home if they did what they did back there"
he greatly exaggerates his position as he is wont to do on languish. it's not necessarily a "troll" in the sense that he completely bullshits the argument he's making, but rather he offers an extremist view of what he really believes - probably out of personal amusement (i mean, really, who says that sort of thing?). now, it may be an incorrect opinion, but that's for others to decide via debate
Your restatement bears very little relationship to any of the permutations of Marty's position, and it's crap too.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 07, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
Your restatement bears very little relationship to any of the permutations of Marty's position, and it's crap too.
but i'm not trying to clarify martinus' whole position. that may be impossible. i'm clarifying his initial statement
i-i don't know how to respond with "it's crap too" ...
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 09:45:28 AM
but i'm not trying to clarify martinus' whole position. that may be impossible. i'm clarifying his initial statement
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't bear any relationship to his initial statement.
Quotei-i don't know how to respond with "it's crap too" ...
Shame and contrition.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 07, 2013, 09:47:31 AMThat's what I'm saying. It doesn't bear any relationship to his initial statement.
Quotei-i don't know how to respond with "it's crap too" ...
Shame and contrition.
o-okay... i guess i'm sorry you feel that way? i don't know how else to respond based off what you've said
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 06:40:17 AM
seems obvious to me. martinus has an opinion: "military men, especially those who are tasked with utter murder of an individual and repeat it on a monthly basis, are akin psychopaths either by nature or developed through experience; they would be persecuted against back home if they did what they did back there"
he greatly exaggerates his position as he is wont to do on languish. it's not necessarily a "troll" in the sense that he completely bullshits the argument he's making, but rather he offers an extremist view of what he really believes - probably out of personal amusement (i mean, really, who says that sort of thing?). now, it may be an incorrect opinion, but that's for others to decide via debate
This is pretty much correct to a T.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 06:40:17 AM
he greatly exaggerates his position as he is wont to do on languish. it's not necessarily a "troll" in the sense that he completely bullshits the argument he's making, but rather he offers an extremist view of what he really believes - probably out of personal amusement (i mean, really, who says that sort of thing?). now, it may be an incorrect opinion, but that's for others to decide via debate
Even if this is what he thought (as he then has now agreed with), I don't see why this would be worthy of debate. Pretty foolish argument.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 09:57:39 AM
o-okay... i guess i'm sorry you feel that way? i don't know how else to respond based off what you've said
The crux of its crappiness is in the proposition that it's akin to psychopathic behavior that we would not tolerate if done in our country. Well no shit we wouldn't tolerate it in our country. War is by definition an unpleasant activity that we perform on others because they are performing unpleasant activities on us or our friends. If Paul Tibbet dropped an atomic bomb on me right now I would be mighty pissed off, but that wouldn't make him a psychopath, any more than a cop killing someone in a gun fight is a psychopath.
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 06:40:17 AM
he greatly exaggerates his position as he is wont to do on languish. it's not necessarily a "troll" in the sense that he completely bullshits the argument he's making, but rather he offers an extremist view of what he really believes - probably out of personal amusement (i mean, really, who says that sort of thing?). now, it may be an incorrect opinion, but that's for others to decide via debate
Even if this is what he thought (as he then has now agreed with), I don't see why this would be worthy of debate. Pretty foolish argument.
Yuppers. Doesn't make it the slightest bit easier to go along with.
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 10:09:52 AM
[Even if this is what he thought (as he then has now agreed with), I don't see why this would be worthy of debate. Pretty foolish argument.
hey, i'm not saying it's worthy of debate, or that it should be a debate. i saw someone post some pretty radical comments, and posted what i thought they meant in actuality. my "that's for others to decide via debate" was more.. well, pointing out that it was a comment that others might not agree with
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 10:09:52 AM
[Even if this is what he thought (as he then has now agreed with), I don't see why this would be worthy of debate. Pretty foolish argument.
hey, i'm not saying it's worthy of debate, or that it should be a debate. i saw someone post some pretty radical comments, and posted what i thought they meant in actuality. my "that's for others to decide via debate" was more.. well, pointing out that it was a comment that others might not agree with
Can you re-phrase? I genuinely don't understand what nuance you are getting at?
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 10:29:39 AMCan you re-phrase? I genuinely don't understand what nuance you are getting at?
i didn't want to, but.. okay
"martinus wasn't trolling, just exaggerating his opinion - an opinion that is wrong"
i just felt it was nicer to say it was "for others to decide via debate"
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
"martinus wasn't trolling, just exaggerating his opinion - an opinion that is wrong"
Isn't that what trolling often is?
Quote from: Martinus on February 07, 2013, 10:07:51 AM
This is pretty much correct to a T.
naturally. it's pretty common, i've done it myself a number of times on other sites. a lesser version of it is cdm here, where he cries foul to the plight of the black man while calling them irritable "dazzling urbanites." it's just you've gathered a reputation to the extent where people tend to believe you + you're less obvious, or something
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2013, 10:38:34 AMIsn't that what trolling often is?
it could be. too often people's comments are considered trolling when they are not. a person who is trolling tends to make an utter BS comment is supposed to incite rage. someone doing it for the utter irony of it, or out of amusement to their personal self... such as "man, if I call this person a homicidal murderer when he clearly isn't" .. it's more of a .. well, not really a -joke-, but more of entertainment to the person saying it. it's so outrageous/audacious that it's not really a troll. others who don't realize what it is may consider it a troll, definitely - that's actually really common
i wish i wasn't such a broken record, but to recall cdm's use of the term dazzingly urbanites while discussing urban plight, i don't know if people consider that "trolling"
(edit) your own use of "whore pills" might serve as another example.. though i don't know if you intend to "troll" people with that comment. you know it's ludicrous, yet you say it anyway because... i mean, who would? it amuses you, saying it.. because it's so ridiculous
Quote from: Martinus on February 07, 2013, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 06:40:17 AM
seems obvious to me. martinus has an opinion: "military men, especially those who are tasked with utter murder of an individual and repeat it on a monthly basis, are akin psychopaths either by nature or developed through experience; they would be persecuted against back home if they did what they did back there"
he greatly exaggerates his position as he is wont to do on languish. it's not necessarily a "troll" in the sense that he completely bullshits the argument he's making, but rather he offers an extremist view of what he really believes - probably out of personal amusement (i mean, really, who says that sort of thing?). now, it may be an incorrect opinion, but that's for others to decide via debate
This is pretty much correct to a T.
Ok, but you're missing the point. It's a part of society's way of placing a control on the beast that is awakend when a human is trained to kill another. In the past societies have done this in various ways-- the civalric code, the gentleman's code, bushido, etc-- and looked down on warriors who didn't fit that form. The modern ideal of military discipline is similar; they do their(very necessary) job, maintain discipline, don't stoop to atrocity etc, and in return we give them a certain amount of respect and benefits.
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
"martinus wasn't trolling, just exaggerating his opinion - an opinion that is wrong"
Isn't that what trolling often is?
It depends how you define trolling. The most typical definition is presenting an opinion completely different from one's own, with a sole purpose of creating a negative reaction. If you choose to define any hyperbole you disagree with as trolling, be my guest though.
Quote from: Martinus on February 07, 2013, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
"martinus wasn't trolling, just exaggerating his opinion - an opinion that is wrong"
Isn't that what trolling often is?
It depends how you define trolling. The most typical definition is presenting an opinion completely different from one's own, with a sole purpose of creating a negative reaction. If you choose to define any hyperbole you disagree with as trolling, be my guest though.
I think you're wrong. Trolling is just posting with the intent of getting an emotional response. Whether or not you believe what you are saying is irrelevant - purpose is key.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 10:29:39 AMCan you re-phrase? I genuinely don't understand what nuance you are getting at?
i didn't want to, but.. okay
"martinus wasn't trolling, just exaggerating his opinion - an opinion that is wrong"
i just felt it was nicer to say it was "for others to decide via debate"
Ok.
Also, why would we care for niceties? A bit late to start now.
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 11:32:34 AMOk.
Also, why would we care for niceties? A bit late to start now.
i don't really see martinus' comment being at all offensive, except to those who have a habit of taking offense. to be honest, i laughed when i read it.. i knew exactly what he was doing
(Edit) i mean.. there's a place for those who do not want such comments to appear on their browser, right? EUOT?
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:50:49 AM
(edit) your own use of "whore pills" might serve as another example.. though i don't know if you intend to "troll" people with that comment. you know it's ludicrous, yet you say it anyway because... i mean, who would? it amuses you, saying it.. because it's so ridiculous
I explained that one a couple times. Of course it was a troll, and I have zero problems with women purchasing birth control pills with their own money.
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 11:31:40 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 07, 2013, 11:24:07 AM
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2013, 10:38:34 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 10:35:59 AM
"martinus wasn't trolling, just exaggerating his opinion - an opinion that is wrong"
Isn't that what trolling often is?
It depends how you define trolling. The most typical definition is presenting an opinion completely different from one's own, with a sole purpose of creating a negative reaction. If you choose to define any hyperbole you disagree with as trolling, be my guest though.
I think you're wrong. Trolling is just posting with the intent of getting an emotional response. Whether or not you believe what you are saying is irrelevant - purpose is key.
:yes:
Quote from: derspiess on February 07, 2013, 11:37:26 AMI explained that one a couple times. Of course it was a troll, and I have zero problems with women purchasing birth control pills with their own money.
-shrugs-
maybe you have an antiquated view of what a troll is. to me, it's someone who purposefully tries to anger someone, or otherwise create a hostile - upset - reaction. maybe that's what martinus was attempting, but it didn't seem like it to me. just seemed like a hilariously ridiculous comment, which its core might open for debate
just like a lie demands that the person is purposefully lying
or that a threat requires the person to issue an actual threat (wrong example, given the Slargos Incident? :P)
a troll must have that intent on the person trolling. if that intent does not exist, then it's something else. if martinus did make the comment solely to rile everyone up, then yes.. he was trolling.. but it doesn't seem like that was the case
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 11:31:40 AMpurpose is key.
indeed, it is. was it martinus' purpose to rile everyone up? i'm not sure! maybe, and if so, then yes, it was a troll. if it was meant more as personal amusement, then no, it was not
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 11:32:34 AMOk.
Also, why would we care for niceties? A bit late to start now.
i don't really see martinus' comment being at all offensive, except to those who have a habit of taking offense. to be honest, i laughed when i read it.. i knew exactly what he was doing
(Edit) i mean.. there's a place for those who do not want such comments to appear on their browser, right? EUOT?
Sorry but not really interested in hearing about how the two of you are butt buds.
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 12:01:12 PMSorry but not really interested in hearing about how the two of you are butt buds.
:huh:
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 11:46:33 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 11:31:40 AMpurpose is key.
indeed, it is. was it martinus' purpose to rile everyone up? i'm not sure! maybe, and if so, then yes, it was a troll. if it was meant more as personal amusement, then no, it was not
Well that's what most of the discussion was about earlier. Whether or not that was his intent. ;)
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 12:03:20 PMWell that's what most of the discussion was about earlier. Whether or not that was his intent. ;)
seems from his comment earlier regarding my post, that simply riling people up was not his intent
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 12:04:35 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 12:03:20 PMWell that's what most of the discussion was about earlier. Whether or not that was his intent. ;)
seems from his comment earlier regarding my post, that simply riling people up was not his intent
I'm not sure I agree given that you said (and he then agreed) that it isn't really a "troll" if it is an opinion you believe.
Part and parcel of his amusement is that he knew the manner in which he presented his opinion was bound to draw attention/ire.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 11:43:09 AM
the Slargos Incident?
You'll have to be more specific.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2013, 12:15:17 PMYou'll have to be more specific.
QuoteNo shit.
let's see if i remember correctly...
jacob said something to slargos, who responded: "i hope your wife gets xxx" - i honestly forget if it was raped by a pack of ethnic groups, or murdered, or what
anyway, a number of languishites responded by saying that slargos had actually
threatened jacob. it was utterly ludicrous, and i think it took awhile for someone to actually come out and say.. "uh, slargos did no such thing."
so, that is the slargos incident(tm). i hope that clarifies the matter
Quote from: GarbonI'm not sure I agree given that you said (and he then agreed) that it isn't really a "troll" if it is an opinion you believe.
Part and parcel of his amusement is that he knew the manner in which he presented his opinion was bound to draw attention/ire.
ahh.. but "drawing attention/ire" is not part of the contract in trollhood, is it? after all, any comment could draw attention/ire, even if it is not a troll. that is why the
purpose is a required component of a troll. otherwise any simple comment could be lambasted by an onlooker as a troll, and that would be utterly nonsensical
as you correctly said, a troll requires a purpose to troll. if that purpose is not there, and it's either said with amusement/entertainment/what-have-you... or if it's said in complete honesty... then it's something entirely different from a troll
Marty says things in an outrageous/belligerent way to get attention and satisfy his narcissistic tendencies. Come on people who long have we known this guy?
And I do not really get his criticism. One of the most painful sacrifices of becoming a soldier is becoming brutalized and perhaps even a bit of a monster because your community/nation/whatever needs you to. That haunts military people for a long time as they try to rejoin society but it is part of the gig. Typically the normal response is to recognize that sacrifice and difficulty in some way not rejoice that they got what they deserved for doing what we all asked them to do. I guess if they were a monster and joined the army just to commit acts of bloody violence with social consent that is one thing but this guy does not seem to be that.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
ahh.. but "drawing attention/ire" is not part of the contract in trollhood, is it? after all, any comment could draw attention/ire, even if it is not a troll. that is why the purpose is a required component of a troll. otherwise any simple comment could be lambasted by an onlooker as a troll, and that would be utterly nonsensical
as you correctly said, a troll requires a purpose to troll. if that purpose is not there, and it's either said with amusement/entertainment/what-have-you... or if it's said in complete honesty... then it's something entirely different from a troll
I don't often do it myself but I think a common reason why a person would troll is for their own amusement. :huh:
Can't we all get along? Mart is both a dick and a troll.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 12:26:52 PMlet's see if i remember correctly...
...
as you correctly said, a troll requires a purpose to troll. if that purpose is not there, and it's either said with amusement/entertainment/what-have-you... or if it's said in complete honesty... then it's something entirely different from a troll
You're putting way too much thought into this. Who gives a fuck if some idiot genuinely believes the idiocy they post or not?
Quote from: Jacob on February 07, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
You're putting way too much thought into this. Who gives a fuck if some idiot genuinely believes the idiocy they post or not?
By that token, why care what anyone else thinks about the topic either?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2013, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 07, 2013, 01:19:47 PM
You're putting way too much thought into this. Who gives a fuck if some idiot genuinely believes the idiocy they post or not?
By that token, why care what anyone else thinks about the topic either?
Because some people are worth having conversations with, and their opinions and thoughts are interesting to engage with.
Seems pretty basic.
The thoughts and opinions of trolls can be interesting to engage with as well.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2013, 01:41:51 PM
The thoughts and opinions of trolls can be interesting to engage with as well.
Sure. Usually not when they're idiots, though.
Which brings me back to my point - who cares if some idiot thinks he's trolling or genuinely believes what he's saying? He's an idiot. And you guys were discussing Martinus.
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
(Edit) i mean.. there's a place for those who do not want such comments to appear on their browser, right? EUOT?
I don't particularly like a lot of the asshattery that goes on here, but at least here we can discuss pretty much any topic we like.
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2013, 12:51:44 PMI don't often do it myself but I think a common reason why a person would troll is for their own amusement. :huh:
yes, a troll tends to troll for their own amusement. and a person who is not trolling (because it does not fit the definition of a troll: inciting ire in others) may make comments out of their own amusement as well
however, that does mean they are both trolls. the intent is what matters
Quote from: JacobYou're putting way too much thought into this. Who gives a fuck if some idiot genuinely believes the idiocy they post or not?
meh, this is languish, isn't it? it is a site that argues over the tiniest historical data, and spends pages upon pages of semantic debate. i'm merely pointing out what i saw martnus' intent, and dismissing labels that do not appear to fit the situation
Quote from: dpsI don't particularly like a lot of the asshattery that goes on here, but at least here we can discuss pretty much any topic we like.
agreed, except for the "i don't particularly like a lot of the asshattery that goes on here," bit :P
Quote from: dps on February 07, 2013, 07:08:07 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
(Edit) i mean.. there's a place for those who do not want such comments to appear on their browser, right? EUOT?
I don't particularly like a lot of the asshattery that goes on here, but at least here we can discuss pretty much any topic we like.
:huh: Then why are you here? That is the best part of this forum IMO. Thoroughly entertaining.
I would venture to say, that there are some of the best internet arguers around on here.
Quote from: Jacob on February 07, 2013, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 07, 2013, 01:41:51 PM
The thoughts and opinions of trolls can be interesting to engage with as well.
Sure. Usually not when they're idiots, though.
Which brings me back to my point - who cares if some idiot thinks he's trolling or genuinely believes what he's saying? He's an idiot. And you guys were discussing Martinus.
Ah, I see, white knighting again. That's the only thing you can do well. Does it get you laid a lot with low confidence chicks?
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 12:26:52 PMjacob said something to slargos, who responded: "i hope your wife gets xxx" - i honestly forget if it was raped by a pack of ethnic groups, or murdered, or what
Well, if "xxx" was "raped", then from a certain perspective, it could actually have been Slargos wishing her well - after all it could mean she is fucked by a real man for a change.
Hell, some people could see death as a fate preferable to being married to a slimy ponytailed Dane reeking of patchouli, but I would not go that far myself.
Quote from: Martinus on February 08, 2013, 06:29:54 PM
Does it get you laid a lot with low confidence chicks?
Low confidence chicks are fun. They'll do anything to not be alone. :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah:
I'm sure Marti knows all about what lengths low confidence people are willing to do $$$
The problem is that Martinus' genuine opinions are as dull, uninformed, uninspired, uninteresting and Russian as he is, and his trolls even moreso.
Quote from: Martinus on February 08, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2013, 12:26:52 PMjacob said something to slargos, who responded: "i hope your wife gets xxx" - i honestly forget if it was raped by a pack of ethnic groups, or murdered, or what
Well, if "xxx" was "raped", then from a certain perspective, it could actually have been Slargos wishing her well - after all it could mean she is fucked by a real man for a change.
Stay classy Marti. :)
Quote from: Martinus on February 08, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
Well, if "xxx" was "raped", then from a certain perspective, it could actually have been Slargos wishing her well - after all it could mean she is fucked by a real man for a change.
Hell, some people could see death as a fate preferable to being married to a slimy ponytailed Dane reeking of patchouli, but I would not go that far myself.
See, folks? The shit-flinging monkey flings shit because it is in his nature to fling shit. No psychoanalysis necessary.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 08, 2013, 06:29:54 PM
Does it get you laid a lot with low confidence chicks?
Low confidence chicks are fun. They'll do anything to not be alone. :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah:
I hope you enjoy those 3 am "why didn't you text me back" calls :P
Quote from: grumbler on February 09, 2013, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 08, 2013, 06:35:22 PM
Well, if "xxx" was "raped", then from a certain perspective, it could actually have been Slargos wishing her well - after all it could mean she is fucked by a real man for a change.
Hell, some people could see death as a fate preferable to being married to a slimy ponytailed Dane reeking of patchouli, but I would not go that far myself.
See, folks? The shit-flinging monkey flings shit because it is in his nature to fling shit. No psychoanalysis necessary.
Hyper competitive, no sense of boundaries, and burdened with a paradoxical high view of self tied with low self esteem? He almost sounds like a lawyer :D
Quote from: HVC on February 09, 2013, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Low confidence chicks are fun. They'll do anything to not be alone. :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah:
I hope you enjoy those 3 am "why didn't you text me back" calls :P
It's an acceptable trade off for the hesitant and deliciously tearful "yes, I'll give you anal while you choke me with a vacuum cleaner hose as long as you don't leave me" negotiations. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 09, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: HVC on February 09, 2013, 11:36:17 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 08, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Low confidence chicks are fun. They'll do anything to not be alone. :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah: :perv: :yeah:
I hope you enjoy those 3 am "why didn't you text me back" calls :P
It's an acceptable trade off for the hesitant and deliciously tearful "yes, I'll give you anal while you choke me with a vacuum cleaner hose as long as you don't leave me" negotiations. :P
hah... wait, "give you" :unsure:
:P
Quote from: HVC on February 09, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
hah... wait, "give you" :unsure:
:P
Hey, they can never accuse me of not being flexible.
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