http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/people-shot-empire-state-building-17072093#.UDeECNZlQf4
QuoteNew York City officials say several people have been shot outside the Empire State Building and that the gunman is dead.
City police say three or four civilians have been wounded in the Friday morning shooting and that the shooter is dead.
A fire department spokesman says it received a call about the shooting just after at 9 a.m. Friday and that emergency units were on the scene within minutes.
The spokesman had no information about how many people were wounded or their conditions.
The shooting occurred at 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.
Helicopters are whirling around outside.
QuoteWNBC reported that the shooter appeared to be a disgruntled employee of a business in the Empire State Building, which houses 1,000 businesses.
Hopefully this thread will feature foreigners bitching about our permissive gun laws. :showoff:
OMGWTFTERRORISTS!!!!!!111111
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 09:22:48 AM
Hopefully this thread will feature foreigners bitching about our permissive gun laws. :showoff:
I was going to do that, but decided against it just in case it was brown people.
Let's take the guns away from all law abiding citizens so only criminals have guns!!!!
Guess he is dead.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 09:22:48 AM
Hopefully this thread will feature foreigners bitching about our permissive gun laws. :showoff:
Well the city itself doesn't have very permissive gun laws.
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
I was going to do that, but decided against it just in case it was brown people.
Possible, but I'm sure most of the people working in the Empire State Building are white.
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 09:22:48 AM
Hopefully this thread will feature foreigners bitching about our permissive gun laws. :showoff:
Well the city itself doesn't have very permissive gun laws.
And crazy postal workers can't take the day off and buy a small arsenal at a virginia gun show?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 24, 2012, 09:27:39 AM
Guess he is dead.
Yes, that's what my initial blurb says. :P
Now saying 2 dead and at least 8 wounded. :(
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 09:28:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
I was going to do that, but decided against it just in case it was brown people.
Possible, but I'm sure most of the people working in the Empire State Building are white.
:o
RACISS!!!
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 09:29:23 AM
And crazy postal workers can't take the day off and buy a small arsenal at a virginia gun show?
Then they'd be bringing guns illegally into the city unless locked away in a case.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 09:28:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
I was going to do that, but decided against it just in case it was brown people.
Possible, but I'm sure most of the people working in the Empire State Building are white.
It's breivik conviction day, I wanted to wait with the snark until after we know if it was political or racist.
Went to P'dox OT but it appears news is too recent for them.
So disgruntled former employee:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/multiple-people-hit-shooting-near-empire-state-building-133611266.html
QuoteNine people were wounded and two people were dead Friday after a shooting outside the Empire State Building in the Midtown area of Manhattan. The two victims included the gunman, who was shot and killed by police near the tourist entrance of the landmark skyscraper.
The shooting occurred at 9:03 a.m. ET at Fifth Avenue and West 34th Street. The gunman, a 53 year-old women's accessories designer named Jeffrey Johnson, was fired from his job during a corporate downsizing at Hazan Imports and returned to his office Friday morning to target his 41 year-old boss.
The shooter followed his coworker down 33rd Street, and shot him outside of Legend's Bar, according to the New York Post. It is unclear if he fired into a crowd of pedestrians outside of the Empire State Building, or if pedestrians were caught in crossfire, reported the New York Daily News.
A construction worker who witnessed the shooting followed the suspect and then alerted police who were posted nearby. As the officers approached Johnston, he pulled his gun and fired on the officers. They returned fire and killed him, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.
None of the other people who were shot were seriously wounded and that they are all expected to recover. Some of those wounded may have been hit by NYPD gunfire, Bloomberg said.
Police cordoned off a one-block perimeter around the Empire State Building after the shooting. Around 10 a.m., a lone tourist bus headed down Fifth Avenue, and a guide could be heard over the bus's mic explaining they were nearing the landmark. As police waved the bus to detour down 36th Street, the guide was openly mystified. "I don't know what's going on, folks," he said, as the bus turned. By then the bus's passengers were looking up at the sky at a news helicopter floating overhead. Some stood, clutching their cameras.
Along 35th street, hundreds of people stood photographing the scene with iPhones and iPads. Officers could be seen standing in the middle of 34th street around a scene surrounded by police tape. Television producers roamed the crowd looking for witnesses. "Was anybody here when this happened? Was anybody here when this happened?" one NBC producer yelled.
Eyewitnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun.
Word of the shooting spread rapidly on social media networks.
"On 5th avenue surrounded by helicopters and police," @CeciliaHalling wrote on Twitter. "I'm very glad I wasn't 20 blocks further down half an hour ago."
We'll update this story as more details are known.
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 24, 2012, 09:28:22 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 09:25:00 AM
I was going to do that, but decided against it just in case it was brown people.
Possible, but I'm sure most of the people working in the Empire State Building are white.
It's breivik conviction day, I wanted to wait with the snark until after we know if it was political or racist.
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2012, 09:26:48 AM
Let's take the guns away from all law abiding citizens so only criminals have guns!!!!
That should make them easy to identify.
Shootings suck. :(
BTW, in that last article Garbon posted, I like how they included:
QuotePolice cordoned off a one-block perimeter around the Empire State Building after the shooting. Around 10 a.m., a lone tourist bus headed down Fifth Avenue, and a guide could be heard over the bus's mic explaining they were nearing the landmark. As police waved the bus to detour down 36th Street, the guide was openly mystified. "I don't know what's going on, folks," he said, as the bus turned. By then the bus's passengers were looking up at the sky at a news helicopter floating overhead. Some stood, clutching their cameras.
I thought that too. Human interest piece. :D
When just getting lunch at Rockefeller Center - saw a bunch of tourists talking about how they were there instead of Empire state today.
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2012, 09:26:48 AM
Let's take the guns away from all law abiding citizens so only criminals have guns!!!!
let's just put everyone in jail, that way you'll be taking guns only from criminals :p
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
:lol:
I don't think you're a real person.
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
You Euros like to go for the big bang, every few decades with your world wars. We like to just keep it low scale and maybe even things out a little. It's a matter of taste I guess.
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
I live every day in crippling fear for my life. Not from crazed gunmen. That would be silly. Time Travelers are the real danger. You never know when the person sitting next to you is from the future and knows exactly what you are going to to do.
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
There is actually very little gun violence in this country outside of a few urban hotspots. I have never actually heard or seen a gun fired outside of a sports context. And I live in Texas.
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
Crime doesn't exist in Portugal, eh?
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
There is actually very little gun violence in this country outside of a few urban hotspots. I have never actually heard or seen a gun fired outside of a sports context. And I live in Texas.
Ditto, and I'm in one of the most gun-heavy/gun-friendly parts of a gun-heavy/gun-friendly state (Georgia).
Quote from: Habbaku on August 24, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
Crime doesn't exist in Portugal, eh?
It does, but it's the type of crime that Martim is in on.
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
How is it to live your life in a country whose total population could basically fit in the 5 boroughs of New York?
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
How is it to live your life in a country whose total population could basically fit in the 5 boroughs of New York?
Probably lots of leg room, I'll give them that.
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
There is actually very little gun violence in this country outside of a few urban hotspots. I have never actually heard or seen a gun fired outside of a sports context. And I live in Texas.
Don't spoil it for the Euros.
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2012, 02:35:10 PM
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
I live every day in crippling fear for my life. Not from crazed gunmen. That would be silly. Time Travelers are the real danger. You never know when the person sitting next to you is from the future and knows exactly what you are going to to do.
Don't forget about the Horses conspiring against us.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
How is it to live your life in a country whose total population could basically fit in the 5 boroughs of New York?
Probably lots of leg room, I'll give them that.
In a country the size of Indiana? :yeahright:
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
How is it to live your life in a country whose total population could basically fit in the 5 boroughs of New York?
Probably lots of leg room, I'll give them that.
In a country the size of Indiana? :yeahright:
:yuk:
Quote from: PRC on August 24, 2012, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2012, 09:26:48 AM
Let's take the guns away from all law abiding citizens so only criminals have guns!!!!
That should make them easy to identify.
:yes: It always strikes me how the people making that point fail to realize they are scoring an own goal with it.
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Quote from: dps on August 24, 2012, 11:09:39 AM
Disgruntled ex-employee, so apparantly neither.
You know, they really should pass a law making it a crime to just shoot people dead on the street because you lost your job--oh, wait.
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
I tuck myself away in the corner of my cubicle, cowering in fear. This position also has the advantage of moving my body away from the likely field of fire, once the inevitable happens.
Quote from: Habbaku on August 24, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
Crime doesn't exist in Portugal, eh?
To be fair, the murder rate in Portugal is 1.2, whereas it is 4.2 in US.
Quote from: DGuller on August 24, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
Quote from: PRC on August 24, 2012, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 24, 2012, 09:26:48 AM
Let's take the guns away from all law abiding citizens so only criminals have guns!!!!
That should make them easy to identify.
:yes: It always strikes me how the people making that point fail to realize they are scoring an own goal with it.
I thought it was just some sort of banal observation. Like "If we banned heroin, only criminals would have heroin!".
Shooter was a 58 year old fashion designer who got shitcanned. :unsure:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 24, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
Shooter was a 58 year old fashion designer who got shitcanned. :unsure:
That's some tantrum.
Speaking of Martim, I'm still awaiting Oklahoma's declaration of Independence.
They're saying the shooter shot the one person he intended to, and the other 9 were shot by the police.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 24, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
Shooter was a 58 year old fashion designer who got shitcanned. :unsure:
And was fired a year ago, apparently.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 24, 2012, 05:42:57 PM
They're saying the shooter shot the one person he intended to, and the other 9 were shot by the police.
Wait, WTF?
if true this is creepy
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/viewsday-1.3683911/filler-after-shooting-near-empire-state-building-we-are-besieged-by-violence-again-1.3925159
QuoteFiller: After shooting near Empire State Building, we are besieged by violence again
12:59 PM By Lane Filler
For New Yorkers, hearing that a shooting rampage has occurred at an iconic city spot like the Empire State Building can't help but tap into the emotions they still have about the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center. To some extent, this is probably true of all Americans.
Two people were killed and nine others shot early Friday morning near that landmark on 33rd Street after a gunman opened fire, according to reports coming from a still chaotic crime scene. The shooter, identified by police as Jeff Johnson, 53, was a former designer of women's accessories at Hazan Imports, where he had been laid off about a year ago. Johnson killed a former co-worker with a .45-caliber handgun, and then was himself killed by police officers.
Thursday, The Onion, probably the world's foremost distributor of satirical, fake news, jumped the gun. The website, which parodies current events, politics and culture in a style so sharp it often feels more thought-provoking and apt than the real stories, ran a piece with the headline "Nation Celebrates Full Week Without Deadly Mass Shooting." Friday morning, The Onion revised the story with a second headline: "UPDATE: Never Mind"
Over the coming days and weeks this shooting will be dissected in great detail. The point will be made that unlike the Aurora movie theater shooter, this was not a random killing. It appears to have been, instead, a revenge attack. The provenance of Johnson's gun, and the legality of it (or lack thereof) will be cited. His state of mind will be probed, his recent past sifted for clues that, perhaps, someone should have picked up on.
It's still a developing story. There's a lot we don't yet know. But we do know we have become a nation, even as the murder rate has declined, that is besieged by high-profile, seemingly maniacal gun attacks.
And we know it's become so frequent and even commonplace, that even the most savage attempts to lampoon these outbursts of violence suffer from the sin of understatement in comparison to the savagery and frequency of the attacks.
What can be said when the violence in our society outstrips the ability of satirists to depict it?
'
http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-celebrates-full-week-without-deadly-mass-sh,29293/
Yeah I have no idea if that's true or not, but if this guy had a .45 and if 10 or 11 people were killed or wounded then it's questionable that they were all shot with his one gun. My .45 can only hold seven rounds in the mag.
It's just rumor at this point on Twitter, but they are saying a bunch of the people wounded were hit in the crossfire by police returning fire at the shooter.
Maybe he's a 58 year old disgruntled ex fashion designer with teleportation ability.
I'll make a prediction. Those shot by the Police didn't RUN THE FUCK AWAY or hit the deck when the first shot rang out. Idiots likely got their phones out to take pictures.
Just a guess.
SIRI! WHAT DO I DO----- *Bang*
Speaking of New Yorkers, too bad they didn't go to Brooklyn and shoot a bunch of fucking Hipsters.
Quote from: Valmy on August 24, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: Martim Silva on August 24, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Actually, I would like to ask the Americans here in this forum how is it like to actually live your day to day life, knowing an 'Active Shooter Event' can happen at any time... (I mean, that's what, three or four shootings in the last 10 days?).
How do you cope, kowing that the guy that is being fired can come back tomorrow and shoot the beejeezus out of everybody in the company?
It's really mind-boggling to me...
There is actually very little gun violence in this country outside of a few urban hotspots. I have never actually heard or seen a gun fired outside of a sports context. And I live in Texas.
I've seen that El Paso has a homicide rate similar to Germany (0.8 per 100,000 people). My guess is that prospective killers take their victims across the border to Juarez. :P
I asked my phone what the most dangerous city in the world is yesterday, and it said Juarez. :)
Quote from: Caliga on August 24, 2012, 10:11:16 PM
I asked my phone what the most dangerous city in the world is yesterday, and it said Juarez. :)
:yes:
Looks like the police were responsible for the other injuries.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/48784504/
Disgruntled police?
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 05:47:02 PM
if true this is creepy
Why is that creepy?
I don't need to justify my emotions to you.
I wasn't asking for a justification - just trying to understand.
What I saw was that the Onion had made an article about Americans being happy there had been no shootings - and then the next day there was. As MSil's post here pointed out - not so surprising that the Onion would run such a piece as shootings have been a common news item for the US in the last few weeks.
Btw, the one part I find creepy is the news bit that most if not all of the injuries to bystanders came from bullets fired by the police and the killer...
Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
Btw, the one part I find creepy is the news bit that most if not all of the injuries to bystanders came from bullets fired by the police and the killer...
It happens. Gunfire exchanges rarely go according to script, particularly with bystanders around.
But we'll just go ahead and continue with the incredibly popular "why-couldn't-they-just-shoot-the-gun-out-of-his-hand" criticism to police-related shootings.
Quote from: lustindarkness on August 24, 2012, 11:23:09 AM
Shootings suck. :(
BTW, in that last article Garbon posted, I like how they included:
QuotePolice cordoned off a one-block perimeter around the Empire State Building after the shooting. Around 10 a.m., a lone tourist bus headed down Fifth Avenue, and a guide could be heard over the bus's mic explaining they were nearing the landmark. As police waved the bus to detour down 36th Street, the guide was openly mystified. "I don't know what's going on, folks," he said, as the bus turned. By then the bus's passengers were looking up at the sky at a news helicopter floating overhead. Some stood, clutching their cameras.
Definitely newsworthy. Such a reaction from a tour bus is unprecedented. The story, though, left out how the police asked people to step aside when they laid out the cordon, and didn't tell us anything about the width of the police tape, nor where it was procured. Not a cop who set up the cordon is named, either.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
But we'll just go ahead and continue with the incredibly popular "why-couldn't-they-just-shoot-the-gun-out-of-his-hand" criticism to police-related shootings.
Yeah, why didn't they just shoot the gun out of his hand? And it was clearly police brutality that they killed they guy when they could have just shot to wound him! :mad:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
Btw, the one part I find creepy is the news bit that most if not all of the injuries to bystanders came from bullets fired by the police and the killer...
It happens. Gunfire exchanges rarely go according to script, particularly with bystanders around.
But we'll just go ahead and continue with the incredibly popular "why-couldn't-they-just-shoot-the-gun-out-of-his-hand" criticism to police-related shootings.
Of course it happens. But to have it be 9 people? Not fun.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
But we'll just go ahead and continue with the incredibly popular "why-couldn't-they-just-shoot-the-gun-out-of-his-hand" criticism to police-related shootings.
Well, if they either have atrocious aim or don't know who they're supposed to be shooting at, it's probably best not to fire.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 25, 2012, 09:54:50 AM
Well, if they either have atrocious aim or don't know who they're supposed to be shooting at, it's probably best not to fire.
OK, Wyatt Earp.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 09:56:17 AM
OK, Wyatt Earp.
I've never shot anyone I didn't mean to. :alberta:
Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
Btw, the one part I find creepy is the news bit that most if not all of the injuries to bystanders came from bullets fired by the police and the killer...
It happens. Gunfire exchanges rarely go according to script, particularly with bystanders around.
But we'll just go ahead and continue with the incredibly popular "why-couldn't-they-just-shoot-the-gun-out-of-his-hand" criticism to police-related shootings.
Of course it happens. But to have it be 9 people? Not fun.
I'm sure that number includes people hit by debri from bullet hits rather than bullets themselves.
Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 24, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 24, 2012, 05:47:02 PM
if true this is creepy
Why is that creepy?
I don't need to justify my emotions to you.
I wasn't asking for a justification - just trying to understand.
What I saw was that the Onion had made an article about Americans being happy there had been no shootings - and then the next day there was. As MSil's post here pointed out - not so surprising that the Onion would run such a piece as shootings have been a common news item for the US in the last few weeks.
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you were actually being serious for once.
I find all apparent premonitions intrinsically creepy and I find satire that unintentionally hits home as hard as that onion article did creepy as well, especially when lives are lost.
Quote from: DGuller on August 24, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on August 24, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
Crime doesn't exist in Portugal, eh?
To be fair, the murder rate in Portugal is 1.2 . . .
Even the criminals with ambition gave emigrated.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 27, 2012, 12:45:38 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 24, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on August 24, 2012, 02:37:33 PM
Crime doesn't exist in Portugal, eh?
To be fair, the murder rate in Portugal is 1.2 . . .
Even the criminals with ambition gave emigrated.
Well, Portugal's heyday was centuries ago. Anybody left with gumption has moved to greener pastures.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 25, 2012, 09:23:17 AM
Btw, the one part I find creepy is the news bit that most if not all of the injuries to bystanders came from bullets fired by the police and the killer...
It happens. Gunfire exchanges rarely go according to script, particularly with bystanders around.
But we'll just go ahead and continue with the incredibly popular "why-couldn't-they-just-shoot-the-gun-out-of-his-hand" criticism to police-related shootings.
Or just tackle him, guns are not needed in civilized societies.
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