1st of July. Canada day. All government offices and major suppliers are closed. most people will also take the Friday or Monday off. Can't reach anyone important during this week.
4th of July. America day. All US suppliers are closed, everything in transit gets delayed a week. Every american office in Canada seems also closed.
Last 2 weeks: construction holiday. Also called Hell on wheels as there's tons of tourists flocking through the highways, with an increase in police surveillance. Can't drive. Most major suppliers are closed, those that are not function at 25% efficiency.
All along the month, lots of people take their annual vacations, 3-4 weeks. Can't get to see any specialist at the hospital, most of them are away, most nurses are either on vacation or suddenly sick.
Government offices also work at reduced efficiency, as if there was any to lose.
It's a hellish month. At least in december, there's snow on the ground to do something, or an excuse to do nothing.
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
I gave Thursday and Friday off for my peeps also. Let 'em have a 5 day weekend.
Over here, the worst months for business seem to be May (lots of holidays), August (everybody on summer vacation) and December (Christmas break).
Yes but August isn't much better.
It's a good time for business if your business is one that deals with travel/tourism.
Other than that, I think that it would be a bad time for business anyway. People have already bought their spring/summer merchandies--clothes, cook-out equipment, lawn care products, etc., and aren't ready to buy fall/winter stuff yet.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
They were also given a second chance in 1812 and failed to help themselves yet again.
Quote from: Phillip V on July 04, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
They were also given a second chance in 1812 and failed to help themselves yet again.
It seems to have worked out much better for us than it did for you.
Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2012, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 04, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
They were also given a second chance in 1812 and failed to help themselves yet again.
It seems to have worked out much better for us than it did for you.
Yeah, when did you guys become independent? 1982?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Yeah, when did you guys become independent? 1982?
1931.
Quote from: Phillip V on July 04, 2012, 05:06:16 PM
Quote from: Drakken on July 04, 2012, 05:05:28 PM
1931.
:nelson:
For foreign affairs, I must add.
For domestic affairs we were
de facto independent at least since Responsible Government in 1848, because the Governor's cronies holding Executive power needed the confidence of local Parliament with the Act of Union 1848, which brought Ministerial Responsability.
That was the only good thing the Durham Report brought to us.
Quote from: viper37 on July 04, 2012, 01:08:38 PM
1st of July. Canada day. All government offices and major suppliers are closed. most people will also take the Friday or Monday off. Can't reach anyone important during this week.
4th of July. America day. All US suppliers are closed, everything in transit gets delayed a week. Every american office in Canada seems also closed.
Last 2 weeks: construction holiday. Also called Hell on wheels as there's tons of tourists flocking through the highways, with an increase in police surveillance. Can't drive. Most major suppliers are closed, those that are not function at 25% efficiency.
All along the month, lots of people take their annual vacations, 3-4 weeks. Can't get to see any specialist at the hospital, most of them are away, most nurses are either on vacation or suddenly sick.
Government offices also work at reduced efficiency, as if there was any to lose.
It's a hellish month. At least in december, there's snow on the ground to do something, or an excuse to do nothing.
If you so much as lift a finger to do "work" in July or August, you are at least ahead of most Europeans.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2012, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 04, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
They were also given a second chance in 1812 and failed to help themselves yet again.
It seems to have worked out much better for us than it did for you.
Yeah, when did you guys become independent? 1982?
You could say 1848, 1867 or 1931. No matter which you choose, it's worked out a lot better than your rebellion.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: viper37 on July 04, 2012, 01:08:38 PM
1st of July. Canada day. All government offices and major suppliers are closed. most people will also take the Friday or Monday off. Can't reach anyone important during this week.
4th of July. America day. All US suppliers are closed, everything in transit gets delayed a week. Every american office in Canada seems also closed.
Last 2 weeks: construction holiday. Also called Hell on wheels as there's tons of tourists flocking through the highways, with an increase in police surveillance. Can't drive. Most major suppliers are closed, those that are not function at 25% efficiency.
All along the month, lots of people take their annual vacations, 3-4 weeks. Can't get to see any specialist at the hospital, most of them are away, most nurses are either on vacation or suddenly sick.
Government offices also work at reduced efficiency, as if there was any to lose.
It's a hellish month. At least in december, there's snow on the ground to do something, or an excuse to do nothing.
If you so much as lift a finger to do "work" in July or August, you are at least ahead of most Europeans.
Well, that would hold true for January-June and September-December as well. :P
I'd think July would be OK. August is the main holiday month so July should be lots of people buying stuff for their holidays, trying to get things finished up before they go away, etc...
Worst I'd think would be post-new year period January and February. Everyone is spent after christmas and bunkering down to see out winter.
There is a Chinese saying - May is poor; June is the bottom of the valley; July is coming back. Business is the best during the Christmas and Chinese new year holidays in December, January and February. Then it will go downhill from there. May and June are usually examination months where students must stay home to fight for their future. Their parents won't take them out, and many will stay home to accompany them even during weekends. July is the start of the summer holidays for schools, so business will begin to bounce back.
Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2012, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 04, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
They were also given a second chance in 1812 and failed to help themselves yet again.
It seems to have worked out much better for us than it did for you.
Yeah, when did you guys become independent? 1982?
You could say 1848, 1867 or 1931. No matter which you choose, it's worked out a lot better than your rebellion.
Seems to have worked out for us.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 07:43:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2012, 05:15:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2012, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 04, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
They were also given a second chance in 1812 and failed to help themselves yet again.
It seems to have worked out much better for us than it did for you.
Yeah, when did you guys become independent? 1982?
You could say 1848, 1867 or 1931. No matter which you choose, it's worked out a lot better than your rebellion.
Seems to have worked out for us.
Well at least 1% of you.
Quote from: Tyr on July 04, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
I'd think July would be OK. August is the main holiday month so July should be lots of people buying stuff for their holidays, trying to get things finished up before they go away, etc...
Worst I'd think would be post-new year period January and February. Everyone is spent after christmas and bunkering down to see out winter.
Now now, maybe not in the UK, but on the continent they get July and August as holidays. And they are bunkering down to see out winter in January and February. But the rest of the year they are hard at work, Monday - Friday, 9-5. Except for holidays of course, which take up a good chunk of the Lenten calendar and a decent number of days in Advent. Plus other national days, May day, and religious holidays that I can't remember because I didn't pay attention in Sunday school. And in the South of course they need to take 2.5 hours off for siesta.
But other than that, they are working hard. Except when they are on strike.
I think December is worse unless you are selling junk to the stupid or are an accountant.
Quote from: Tyr on July 04, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
Worst I'd think would be post-new year period January and February. Everyone is spent after christmas and bunkering down to see out winter.
No idea how it is in Jolly Olde, but in the States, January and February are a bit down. There are a lot of clearance sales in January to get rid of stock that didn't sell for Christmas, but while that can keep gross sales figures looking OK, it's not exactly great for profits. Early February tends to be a bit dead, but by mid-month, sales are picking back up as people start to buy spring merchandise (and, if Easter items if Easter comes fairly early that year).
Quote from: MartinusI think December is worse unless you are selling junk to the stupid or are an accountant.
Unless sales patterns are hugely different in Poland than in civilized countries, it would seem Marty knows just as little about business as he does about law or having babies. :)
Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2012, 01:10:14 PM
See, if you guys would have supported us in 1775, you'd only have one these bad business days.
you have this crazy neighbor, who, just yesterday, considered you just a little better than his slaves. Today, he wants you to fight side by side against the Evil you know. It's hard to make a choice.
But in the end, some of us supported you anyway on your attack on Quebec city.
Quote from: dps on July 05, 2012, 01:15:12 PM
Unless sales patterns are hugely different in Poland than in civilized countries, it would seem Marty knows just as little about business as he does about law or having babies. :)
:(
If the Canadians had joined us in 1775 they would have been flooded by settlers once the war was over. I wonder how distinctive Quebec would have remained in the long run.
Though I find it amusing to imagine how a delegation of French-speaking Catholics to the Continental Congress would have changed the dynamic.
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
If the Canadians had joined us in 1775 they would have been flooded by settlers once the war was over. I wonder how distinctive Quebec would have remained in the long run.
Though I find it amusing to imagine how a delegation of French-speaking Catholics to the Continental Congress would have changed the dynamic.
Would the United States have developed a less anti-Catholic culture?
Quote from: Phillip V on July 05, 2012, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
If the Canadians had joined us in 1775 they would have been flooded by settlers once the war was over. I wonder how distinctive Quebec would have remained in the long run.
Though I find it amusing to imagine how a delegation of French-speaking Catholics to the Continental Congress would have changed the dynamic.
Would the United States have developed a less anti-Catholic culture?
Or even more so...
Quote from: Phillip V on July 05, 2012, 02:05:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
If the Canadians had joined us in 1775 they would have been flooded by settlers once the war was over. I wonder how distinctive Quebec would have remained in the long run.
Though I find it amusing to imagine how a delegation of French-speaking Catholics to the Continental Congress would have changed the dynamic.
Would the United States have developed a less anti-Catholic culture?
My guess is that a large French Catholic minority would have lead to more anti-Catholic sentiment, not less.
Quote from: dps on July 05, 2012, 02:12:26 PM
My guess is that a large French Catholic minority would have lead to more anti-Catholic sentiment, not less.
Oh yeah I am afraid the impact would probably have been pretty negative. I think the Canadians were probably wise not to trust us. In the long run we were probably no friends of theirs.
But who knows.
I'm unaware of any anti-Catholic sentiment directed at Louisiana. Or at Maryland for that matter. Don't see why Quebec would have been different.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
I'm unaware of any anti-Catholic sentiment directed at Louisiana. Or at Maryland for that matter. Don't see why Quebec would have been different.
Well clearly if you are unaware of it it didn't happen? For Godsake Yi read the history of Maryland. It was hardly a bastion of Catholicism despite the intentions of the Calverts.
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
I'm unaware of any anti-Catholic sentiment directed at Louisiana. Or at Maryland for that matter. Don't see why Quebec would have been different.
Well clearly if you are unaware of it it didn't happen? For Godsake Yi read the history of Maryland. It was hardly a bastion of Catholicism despite the intentions of the Calverts.
Yep. We've a pretty big history of it.
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
I'm unaware of any anti-Catholic sentiment directed at Louisiana. Or at Maryland for that matter. Don't see why Quebec would have been different.
Well clearly if you are unaware of it it didn't happen? For Godsake Yi read the history of Maryland. It was hardly a bastion of Catholicism despite the intentions of the Calverts.
Catholicism in America certainly had its issues. Thrived, but had issues.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 05, 2012, 02:39:26 PM
Catholicism in America certainly had its issues. Thrived, but had issues.
I think this applies to lots of groups here who have struggled with their...erm....popularity and is a certainly something we can hang our hats on. Well except the Native Americans.
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 02:22:04 PM
I think the Canadians were probably wise not to trust us. In the long run we were probably no friends of theirs.
Well, they'd be English-speaking American protestants now, instead of French-speaking Canadians atheists in denial about being Canadian. :D
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
Well clearly if you are unaware of it it didn't happen? For Godsake Yi read the history of Maryland. It was hardly a bastion of Catholicism despite the intentions of the Calverts.
What exactly is your problem? Seems every time I post something in response to you flip out.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2012, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
Well clearly if you are unaware of it it didn't happen? For Godsake Yi read the history of Maryland. It was hardly a bastion of Catholicism despite the intentions of the Calverts.
What exactly is your problem? Seems every time I post something in response to you flip out.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2012, 03:17:35 PM
What exactly is your problem? Seems every time I post something in response to you flip out.
Am I? Ok I hadn't noticed I will try to be nicer moving forward. Is this about the William Wallace thing? I just didn't understand what your question was.
Quote from: dps on July 05, 2012, 01:15:12 PMUnless sales patterns are hugely different in Poland than in civilized countries, it would seem Marty knows just as little about business as he does about law or having babies. :)
Tons of lawyering done during December. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
If the Canadians had joined us in 1775 they would have been flooded by settlers once the war was over. I wonder how distinctive Quebec would have remained in the long run.
Though I find it amusing to imagine how a delegation of French-speaking Catholics to the Continental Congress would have changed the dynamic.
Quebec and Canada were flooded by settlers after the war, they were called "Loyalists". They established themselves in actual day Ontario, Ottawa area, Montreal, and Eastern Townships. To this day, they still sing
God Save the Queen every year before the national anthem, as per proper procedure dictated by the Governement of Canada ;)
There wasn't much population in Ontario at the time, it was mostly indians, so they quickly became a majority. In Quebec, most of the good lands were already taken by the French colonists, so the British crown attempted to open their townships in non settled land in the valley of the St-Lawrence, and it was mostly a failure. Near my own village, two attemps were made to compete with the old land division still in use ("rang", ranks parrallel to the main body of water), both didn't attract much in terms of new settlers, english or french, but were popular for some time with the lumber industry in the 19th century up to the mid 20th century when the railroad was abandonned. Today that old railroad track is an ATV/Snowmobile trail and the old trainstation a rest area.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 05, 2012, 02:39:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
I'm unaware of any anti-Catholic sentiment directed at Louisiana. Or at Maryland for that matter. Don't see why Quebec would have been different.
Well clearly if you are unaware of it it didn't happen? For Godsake Yi read the history of Maryland. It was hardly a bastion of Catholicism despite the intentions of the Calverts.
Catholicism in America certainly had its issues. Thrived, but had issues.
Catholicism in America is mostly due to the massive arrival of Irish immigrants.
Quote from: viper37 on July 06, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Catholicism in America is mostly due to the massive arrival of Irish immigrants.
WRONG
Quote from: viper37 on July 06, 2012, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
If the Canadians had joined us in 1775 they would have been flooded by settlers once the war was over. I wonder how distinctive Quebec would have remained in the long run.
Though I find it amusing to imagine how a delegation of French-speaking Catholics to the Continental Congress would have changed the dynamic.
Quebec and Canada were flooded by settlers after the war, they were called "Loyalists". They established themselves in actual day Ontario, Ottawa area, Montreal, and Eastern Townships. To this day, they still sing God Save the Queen every year before the national anthem, as per proper procedure dictated by the Governement of Canada ;)
There wasn't much population in Ontario at the time, it was mostly indians, so they quickly became a majority. In Quebec, most of the good lands were already taken by the French colonists, so the British crown attempted to open their townships in non settled land in the valley of the St-Lawrence, and it was mostly a failure. Near my own village, two attemps were made to compete with the old land division still in use ("rang", ranks parrallel to the main body of water), both didn't attract much in terms of new settlers, english or french, but were popular for some time with the lumber industry in the 19th century up to the mid 20th century when the railroad was abandonned. Today that old railroad track is an ATV/Snowmobile trail and the old trainstation a rest area.
Americans are more daring then the British. They re willing to do things other people wouldn't attempt. Though it's entirely possible that Quebec (and with it the rest of Canada), might have just become an independent nation if they sided with the American colonists.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 06, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Americans are more daring then the British. They re willing to do things other people wouldn't attempt. Though it's entirely possible that Quebec (and with it the rest of Canada), might have just become an independent nation if they sided with the American colonists.
No, I don't think so. An attempt by Quebec to leave the Union would have resulted in conquest and the mass slaughter of the French Catholics.
It would've fucked up our map, too. And the flag.
Quote from: Neil on July 06, 2012, 08:39:19 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 06, 2012, 05:28:05 PM
Americans are more daring then the British. They re willing to do things other people wouldn't attempt. Though it's entirely possible that Quebec (and with it the rest of Canada), might have just become an independent nation if they sided with the American colonists.
No, I don't think so. An attempt by Quebec to leave the Union would have resulted in conquest and the mass slaughter of the French Catholics.
They were invited into the Union, but if they didn't join it, the US probably wouldn't have forced the issue, though France might try to pick it up again. Still a Free French Canada in the 1780's is an interesting idea.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 06, 2012, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: viper37 on July 06, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Catholicism in America is mostly due to the massive arrival of Irish immigrants.
WRONG
Wikipedia disagrees:
QuoteThe number of Catholics has grown during the country's history, at first slowly in the early 19th century through some immigration and through the acquisition of territories (formerly possessions of France, Spain, and Mexico) with predominately Catholic populations. In the mid-19th century, a rapid influx of Irish and German immigrants made Catholicism the largest religion in the United States.
People who use Wiki as reference material need to floss their teeth with my ass hair.
Quote from: viper37 on July 07, 2012, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 06, 2012, 03:04:11 PM
Quote from: viper37 on July 06, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Catholicism in America is mostly due to the massive arrival of Irish immigrants.
WRONG
Wikipedia disagrees:
QuoteThe number of Catholics has grown during the country's history, at first slowly in the early 19th century through some immigration and through the acquisition of territories (formerly possessions of France, Spain, and Mexico) with predominately Catholic populations. In the mid-19th century, a rapid influx of Irish and German immigrants made Catholicism the largest religion in the United States.
Good for it. Still you didn't mention the Germans or the Italians. Coincidentally I have German, Irish and Italian heritage. There were quite a few people who did convert to Catholicism in the US. It's amazing how quickly Catholicism spread in the US. Even in times of persecutions and harassment there were many leaders who were Catholic or raised Catholic. During the Civil War Sheridan, Rosecrans and Beauregard were Catholic, and Sherman was a lapsed Catholic. These were the days when the Orange Men still marched in New York. I imagine that a sizable percentage of the Union army was Catholic. Probably at least 25%. Compare this to the U.K., the other major anglophone country in the world. Catholics only had gotten civil rights fairly recently, and number of Catholics in high position as pretty low. Not to mention that little famine thingy that had recently happened.
Yeah, but the Civil War was in the middle of a huge spike in Irish immigration that started during the Famine. Nothing you said in any way refutes the claim that the Irish were the driving force behind Catholicism in the early US. Italian imigration wasn't really that important until after unification, and the Germans were full of Protestants that had fled Germany following the failure of the 1848 rebellions.
OTOH, a lot of Irish immigrants were actually part of the Scotch-Irish Protestant minority, and a lot of Irish Catholics converted to Protestantism once they got to the States. And there was already a fairly sizable Catholic minority here before the spike in Irish immigration.
It's a complicated question. One of the difficulties is that there are no official statistics for religious affiliation in the US, and the unofficial stats I've seen I don't much trust.
Quote from: dps on July 07, 2012, 05:36:51 PM
And there was already a fairly sizable Catholic minority here before the spike in Irish immigration.
This. There weren't any Irishmen in St. Augustine.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 07, 2012, 05:47:44 PM
This. There weren't any Irishmen in St. Augustine.
How many Catholics were there in 1819-1820?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2012, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: viper37 on July 09, 2012, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 07, 2012, 05:47:44 PM
This. There weren't any Irishmen in St. Augustine.
How many Catholics were there in 1819-1820?
Enough.
Well, there were Seminoles (not Catholics), there were American settlers from neighbouring Southern States (not Catholics), and a few Spanish here&there, and many of them probably chose to return to Spain or move to Mexico after Florida was transferred to the US.
I don't really understand what is being debated.
Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2012, 12:53:12 PM
I don't really understand what is being debated.
I'm not debating, I'm just trying to see if CdM will quit without having the last
insult word.
Quote from: viper37 on July 09, 2012, 12:46:51 PM
there were American settlers from neighbouring Southern States (not Catholics)
If they were there legally, they were at least nominally Catholic. Though it's likely that many weren't there legally.