http://news.yahoo.com/chris-christie-weight-were-easy-id-already-fixed-100118802--abc-news-politics.html
QuoteNew Jersey Gov. Chris Christie opened up about his weight problem in an interview with ABC News and stressed he is "trying" to lose weight, a battle he's waged for 30 years, but said he's never considered gastric bypass surgery because it's "too risky."
"I mean, see, listen, I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding among people regarding weight and regarding all those things that go into, to people being overweight," Christie said in an interview that will air Tuesday on "Nightline." "I think folks say - yeah, well he must just not be disciplined, you know, or he must not have willpower - that kind of thing. I guess the best analogy to make is some people drink too much. Some people take drugs. Some people eat too much. See, you can go live every day without drinking. You can live every day without taking drugs. You can't live every without eating."
Christie, who often jokes about his weight, but rarely opens up about the struggle, acknowledged that "it's a really difficult thing to deal with."
Christie said he works out with a trainer four days a week and is "trying to eat better," but said it's "really difficult like to eat better."
"With running around all the time and grabbing things on the go. But I'm trying to eat better," Christie said in the interview from the state capitol. "I'm working at it. But obviously, I'm not there. But I also have hope that I can get there."
Christie suffers from asthma and was admitted to the hospital last summer, but said besides that ailment he is healthy and sees the doctor regularly.
"My blood pressure's fine, my cholesterol is fine," Christie said. "I'm in good physical shape in terms of those indicators. But I have to lose weight and I get it."
Christie said there are two types of people who approach him about his weight: those who "really genuinely are concerned about me and want me to be around for a long time, and really care about me" and some of the people he sometimes encounters on his Twitter feed.
"There are some people who are just - you know, incredibly nasty and, and ugly and horrible," Christie said. "That's just the way it goes. I mean, you know, people have that kind of prejudice about them. I can't do anything about that."
Christie said he's "doing the best I can" and will "continue to."
"I've been living with it for a long time, and I'm going to try to get better," Christie said. "And if I can get better, that'll be great for me and for my family and for the public who likes me ... it's something that's not easy. If it were easy, I'd already have it fixed."
His weight isn't the problem. His personality is.
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
Quote"There are some people who are just - you know, incredibly nasty and, and ugly and horrible," Christie said.
:hmm:
Quote from: DGuller on July 03, 2012, 09:33:52 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2012, 09:25:30 AM
Quote"There are some people who are just - you know, incredibly nasty and, and ugly and horrible," Christie said.
:hmm:
Yeah, it's hard to imagine such horrific people exist in New Jersey.
Losing weight is easy. It's getting in shape that's hard.
Quote from: Syt on July 03, 2012, 09:36:16 AM
Yeah, it's hard to imagine such horrific people exist in New Jersey.
You know he practiced that speech while looking in the mirror. ;)
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 10:24:43 AM
Losing weight is easy. It's getting in shape that's hard.
Spoken like a young man.
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 10:24:43 AM
Losing weight is easy. It's getting in shape that's hard.
Spoken like a young man.
I mean, I lost 120 lbs as a teenager. It's not easy, but it's a matter of eating right.
I've always found that losing weight is not that hard.
Keeping it off is damn near impossible though.
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 10:24:43 AM
Losing weight is easy. It's getting in shape that's hard.
Spoken like a young man.
He's right. Stop eating entirely, and you'll see how fast you lose weight. :P
And fasting is much easier than following a diet.
Of course it will wreak havoc on your health, but you will lose weight fast, I promise you. ;)
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
I mean, I lost 120 lbs as a teenager. It's not easy, but it's a matter of eating right.
Wait until you have 40 to lose after your 40th birthday. That 120 lbs will seem like a cakewalk. Then, eating right was enough. Past 40, it takes a lot more to lose a lot less.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 03, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
His weight isn't the problem. His personality is.
I love his personality. :wub:
Every time he abuses a reporter, I get an erection.
My uncle HATES that guy. He's a school superintendent in Jersey and apparently Christie did something to antagonize him. If you mention Christie around him he starts foaming at the mouth. :cool:
According the NYT Sunday Magazine Fat Boy has memorized the lyrics to every Springsteen song ever recorded.
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
I mean, I lost 120 lbs as a teenager. It's not easy, but it's a matter of eating right.
Wait until you have 40 to lose after your 40th birthday. That 120 lbs will seem like a cakewalk. Then, eating right was enough. Past 40, it takes a lot more to lose a lot less.
Bullshit, I lost 120 lbs starting at 40. I am 46 now, and I have maintained that loss since. It took the simple measure of eating less and getting up off my ass and exercising. The biggest problem I have now is that I don't naturally exercise like I did at 20, but with effort I can raise my metabolism quite a bit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 03, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
According the NYT Sunday Magazine Fat Boy has memorized the lyrics to every Springsteen song ever recorded.
Erection...lost. :(
I loathe Springsteen. :mad:
Springsteen is great in concert... seen him twice. Just make sure you go take a pee break when he interrupts his set to talk about the political shit. :)
Quote from: PDH on July 03, 2012, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 02:17:36 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
I mean, I lost 120 lbs as a teenager. It's not easy, but it's a matter of eating right.
Wait until you have 40 to lose after your 40th birthday. That 120 lbs will seem like a cakewalk. Then, eating right was enough. Past 40, it takes a lot more to lose a lot less.
Bullshit, I lost 120 lbs starting at 40. I am 46 now, and I have maintained that loss since. It took the simple measure of eating less and getting up off my ass and exercising. The biggest problem I have now is that I don't naturally exercise like I did at 20, but with effort I can raise my metabolism quite a bit.
Well you are not a woman with several kids. That is tougher but not impossible. The formula for doing it is what you write. Eat less and exercise. However finding the motivation for actually doing it is the real challenge.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 03, 2012, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 03, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
His weight isn't the problem. His personality is.
I love his personality. :wub:
Every time he abuses a reporter, I get an erection.
Meh, it was quaint his first 3 months in office. Now he's just a dick.
Maybe we can get Biden and Christie to join forces. F-bomb and asshole would be hilarious.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 03, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
Meh, it was quaint his first 3 months in office. Now he's just a dick.
:yes: He's overplayed that shtick to the ground. Now he just comes off like a boorish douchebag.
Quote from: DGuller on July 03, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 03, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
Meh, it was quaint his first 3 months in office. Now he's just a dick.
:yes: He's overplayed that shtick to the ground. Now he just comes off like a boorish douchebag.
Although he's more popular with Jerseyans so ever. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/poll_gov_christies_popularity.html. I guess they disagree?
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 03, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 03, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
Meh, it was quaint his first 3 months in office. Now he's just a dick.
:yes: He's overplayed that shtick to the ground. Now he just comes off like a boorish douchebag.
Although he's more popular with Jerseyans so ever. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/poll_gov_christies_popularity.html. I guess they disagree?
Our governor is more than just a tired shtick, thankfully. He's a pretty effective governor despite all the showboating, and I'm sure that factors into his popularity on the margins.
Quote from: Octavian on July 03, 2012, 06:31:35 PM
Well you are not a woman with several kids. That is tougher but not impossible. The formula for doing it is what you write. Eat less and exercise. However finding the motivation for actually doing it is the real challenge.
That's not taking into account hormone levels, insulin-resistance, health concerns, etc. Those things directly affect how much the body holds onto fat and builds muscle, which alters how much less a person has to eat and how much more they have to exercise. It isn't about motivation - but thanks for implying that I'm lazy. Rather, it's about finding the right recipe for each individual person. What works/worked for PDH won't work for everyone, anymore than what works for me will work for everyone.
The human body is far too complex for there to ever be a "simple" solution to anything, and it's ridiculous to assume that what works for one works for all.
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
It isn't about motivation
It's mostly about discipline, unfortunately.
Quote"I think folks say - yeah, well he must just not be disciplined, you know, or he must not have willpower - that kind of thing. I guess the best analogy to make is some people drink too much. Some people take drugs. Some people eat too much. See, you can go live every day without drinking. You can live every day without taking drugs. You can't live every without eating."
:hmm: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit obesity.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:07:23 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 03, 2012, 10:24:43 AM
Losing weight is easy. It's getting in shape that's hard.
Spoken like a young man.
I mean, I lost 120 lbs as a teenager. It's not easy, but it's a matter of eating right.
Good Lord. I could make a whole slightly overweight woman out of that. Congrats on your will, my friend.
The dude's got a lot of weight to shed, and we don't know how much is his body makeup versus how much is just him liking to eat. I'm not usually gonna be the one to defend the fat guy, but I'm trying and failing miserably at getting started with losing 30 pounds- for some people, it really isn't easy.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 03, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 03, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
According the NYT Sunday Magazine Fat Boy has memorized the lyrics to every Springsteen song ever recorded.
Erection...lost. :(
I loathe Springsteen. :mad:
Sometimes I don't get you.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 04, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 03, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 03, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
According the NYT Sunday Magazine Fat Boy has memorized the lyrics to every Springsteen song ever recorded.
Erection...lost. :(
I loathe Springsteen. :mad:
Sometimes I don't get you.
No shit. And he's supposed to be an American.
Probably a fucking Eagles fan, or worse: Crosby Stills & Nash.
Eagles > Springsteen
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 04, 2012, 01:25:13 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 04, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 03, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 03, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
According the NYT Sunday Magazine Fat Boy has memorized the lyrics to every Springsteen song ever recorded.
Erection...lost. :(
I loathe Springsteen. :mad:
Sometimes I don't get you.
No shit. And he's supposed to be an American.
Probably a fucking Eagles fan, or worse: Crosby Stills & Nash.
I disavow these comments.
Don Henley is awesome.
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: Octavian on July 03, 2012, 06:31:35 PM
Well you are not a woman with several kids. That is tougher but not impossible. The formula for doing it is what you write. Eat less and exercise. However finding the motivation for actually doing it is the real challenge.
That's not taking into account hormone levels, insulin-resistance, health concerns, etc. Those things directly affect how much the body holds onto fat and builds muscle, which alters how much less a person has to eat and how much more they have to exercise. It isn't about motivation - but thanks for implying that I'm lazy. Rather, it's about finding the right recipe for each individual person. What works/worked for PDH won't work for everyone, anymore than what works for me will work for everyone.
The human body is far too complex for there to ever be a "simple" solution to anything, and it's ridiculous to assume that what works for one works for all.
Motivation isn't about being lazy. It's about looking for what really drives you. That's something all of us who work out need to do regularly and it's never easy compared to finding the right exercise or diet plan etc. Health concerns can be a great motivator. Sure it makes exercising more difficult perhaps but one will be able to handle that difficulty (finding the right exercise, diet etc) a lot easier with the right motivation (wanting to see your kids grow up, to be able to play with them etc.).
So I wasn't implying you were lazy. I was stating that people have a tendency to not really focus on what matters in order to achieve success when working out. You often hear people complain that they can't loose weight. Well they need to ask themselves why they want to loose weight before even trying.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 03, 2012, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
It isn't about motivation
It's mostly about discipline, unfortunately.
Nope it's about motivation. With motivation you'll be able to maintain discipline
Quote from: Ideologue on July 04, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 03, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 03, 2012, 04:36:38 PM
According the NYT Sunday Magazine Fat Boy has memorized the lyrics to every Springsteen song ever recorded.
Erection...lost. :(
I loathe Springsteen. :mad:
Sometimes I don't get you.
I dislike his politics and I dislike his music. It is all the same. Listen to
the River, and you've heard all of Springsteen.
Eagles are superior to Springsteen.
Quote from: Octavian on July 04, 2012, 05:13:17 AM
Nope it's about motivation. With motivation you'll be able to maintain discipline
Nope. Motivation is great for forcing yourself to do things you don't want to do(exercise), but mostly crap at stopping yourself doing things you do want to do(overeating). Even if you pass up on the slice of cake/bag of chips/second helping/etc now, it's generally still there for you in a couple hours.
All you Eagles fans suck ass. Springsteen IS America.
Quote from: Octavian on July 04, 2012, 05:13:17 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 03, 2012, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: merithyn on July 03, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
It isn't about motivation
It's mostly about discipline, unfortunately.
Nope it's about motivation. With motivation you'll be able to maintain discipline
As long as it is about motivation or discipline we are probably not going to stick with it. Physical activity is more about making it part of a daily routine. So long as it is viewed as something outside the norm - as it is for many of us - then we are stuck with motivation and discipline to get it done.
Yeah, I don't see there ever being a time when being accustomed to eating just the right amount of food means one no longer needs self-discipline not to consume a little bit more...
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 04, 2012, 11:08:17 AM
Yeah, I don't see there ever being a time when being accustomed to eating just the right amount of food means one no longer needs self-discipline not to consume a little bit more...
I was talking about physical activity. If one is active enough the intake side doesnt matter as much.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 04, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 04, 2012, 11:08:17 AM
Yeah, I don't see there ever being a time when being accustomed to eating just the right amount of food means one no longer needs self-discipline not to consume a little bit more...
I was talking about physical activity. If one is active enough the intake side doesnt matter as much.
I don't think that's really true. The intake side dominates the expenditure side heavily. You can't burn nearly as many calories by being active as you gain by overeating, unless you're an Olympic swimmer training for London 2012. It's pretty easy to stay thin as long as you have a healthy relationship towards food (which most American do not for a number of reasons).
Surely it's easier to maintain the right habits when you have some motivation to do so. I mean, yeah being healthy for it's own sake is good but if you're not getting something out of it other than that it won't have nearly the impact on your desire to follow through.
If you have a goal or reason that provides feedback on at least some level that's a big boost. Like being able to run a marathon, or having your girlfriend think you're sexy, or stopping the back pain you get from sitting in your office chair eight hours a day.
Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2012, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 04, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 04, 2012, 11:08:17 AM
Yeah, I don't see there ever being a time when being accustomed to eating just the right amount of food means one no longer needs self-discipline not to consume a little bit more...
I was talking about physical activity. If one is active enough the intake side doesnt matter as much.
I don't think that's really true. The intake side dominates the expenditure side heavily. You can't burn nearly as many calories by being active as you gain by overeating, unless you're an Olympic swimmer training for London 2012. It's pretty easy to stay thin as long as you have a healthy relationship towards food (which most American do not for a number of reasons).
I've posted this before to a variety of responses, but I disagree--I've never met an obese person that ran five miles a day (say 25 miles a week, with off days). It isn't just the calories you burn, but also that tub of KFC doesn't look as appetizing when you know you will pay for it the next day.
More on topic, it does seem like all the fat jokes/comments hurt Christie personally, and he has just been rolling with the punches because he knows that is the best strategy.
Why wouldn't it? Most people don't like being made fun of and put down all the time. I realize a lot of Languish people are social misfits that don't understand that, but normally it'd go without saying. :)
Quote from: Caliga on July 04, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
Why wouldn't it? Most people don't like being made fun of and put down all the time. I realize a lot of Languish people are social misfits that don't understand that, but normally it'd go without saying. :)
:( I'm really sorry about making fun of your eating habits and the locations you prefer to eat out of. Are we cool? :hug:
Quote from: Caliga on July 04, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
Why wouldn't it? Most people don't like being made fun of and put down all the time. I realize a lot of Languish people are social misfits that don't understand that, but normally it'd go without saying. :)
For a while I was convinced that he had simply made peace with the fact he is obese and jokes didn't bother him anymore.
Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2012, 04:47:33 PM
:( I'm really sorry about making fun of your eating habits and the locations you prefer to eat out of. Are we cool? :hug:
:sleep:
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2012, 04:38:03 PM
More on topic, it does seem like all the fat jokes/comments hurt Christie personally, and he has just been rolling with the punches because he knows that is the best strategy.
Well, I don't know if it's strategy; rolling might just be the most efficient way to get around for someone like him.
:D
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
I've posted this before to a variety of responses, but I disagree--I've never met an obese person that ran five miles a day (say 25 miles a week, with off days). It isn't just the calories you burn, but also that tub of KFC doesn't look as appetizing when you know you will pay for it the next day.
There are plenty of professional athletes who manage to put on extra padding while maintaining training regimens more rigorous than that.
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
I've posted this before to a variety of responses, but I disagree--I've never met an obese person that ran five miles a day (say 25 miles a week, with off days). It isn't just the calories you burn, but also that tub of KFC doesn't look as appetizing when you know you will pay for it the next day.
Given that the majority of people can't dedicate the time or have the ability to run that much, it's kind of a moot point, don't you think?
As in all things, once the weight is gone, it comes down to moderation. Doing a moderate amount of exercise (AMA recommends 4-5 x a week for 30-60 minutes a day) combined with eating a moderate menu (following the FDA guidelines is a good start) will probably keep most people at a healthy weight. Not all, since there are those who will need more exercise, fewer calories, or some combination thereof in order to maintain since people absorb/process calories at different rates. (100 calories for one may be 110 - or 90 - for another, though the number on the package stays the same.)
Maybe if one is motivated enough to learn how things work for their own body (ie listen to their bodies :P), they'll have the self-discipline to make it all work. Ultimately, though, it comes down to taking the time and energy to figure out what works for you, and then following that plan forever.... Well, forever until some new medical issue comes up that throws it all out of whack and they have to start over.
Quote from: Kleves on July 04, 2012, 06:10:13 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2012, 04:38:03 PM
More on topic, it does seem like all the fat jokes/comments hurt Christie personally, and he has just been rolling with the punches because he knows that is the best strategy.
Well, I don't know if it's strategy; rolling might just be the most efficient way to get around for someone like him.
:XD:
Quote from: merithyn on July 04, 2012, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 04, 2012, 04:36:14 PM
I've posted this before to a variety of responses, but I disagree--I've never met an obese person that ran five miles a day (say 25 miles a week, with off days). It isn't just the calories you burn, but also that tub of KFC doesn't look as appetizing when you know you will pay for it the next day.
Given that the majority of people can't dedicate the time or have the ability to run that much, it's kind of a moot point, don't you think?
It only takes 30-45 minutes to run 5 miles. The vast majority of people easily have that much spare time. And most people have teh ability to do it, even if it would take them a month or two before they coudl manage it.
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
It only takes 30-45 minutes to run 5 miles. The vast majority of people easily have that much spare time. And most people have teh ability to do it, even if it would take them a month or two before they coudl manage it.
People seem to have an incredible innate ability to distance run--if they put in the time to do it.
It's not that incredible. We evolved to chase preys, not to sit on a couch all day while we order in.
Time isn't really as tight as it seems to be. 20 minutes after work in front of the TV or computer vs 20 minutes on a bike or jogging...even 20 minutes walking helps. It is rarely the "lack of time" it is the "forcing oneself to actually do it" that is the problem. A crappy bike on a roller time in the garage is better than the sitting there exhausted time.
It is odd how active people have less weight problems overall.
From the Couch to a 5K in 9 weeks.
http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml
Hardest part is getting off the couch.
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
It only takes 30-45 minutes to run 5 miles. The vast majority of people easily have that much spare time. And most people have teh ability to do it, even if it would take them a month or two before they coudl manage it.
:blink:
Yeah, not me. I run 5 mph, and only for a short amount of time (2 minutes tops). I can't imagine at any point in my life being able to run 5 miles in 30-45 minutes. In an hour? Possibly, at some point.
By the way, I started the Couch to 5k a month ago, so a month or two is very ambitious for this kind of pace daily. Maybe six months... maybe.
Quote from: merithyn on July 05, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
By the way, I started the Couch to 5k a month ago, so a month or two is very ambitious for this kind of pace daily. Maybe six months... maybe.
Yeah, I was ramping it up last summer, but at least the pace helped to diagnose my adrenal disorder. :lol:
Quote from: PDH on July 05, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
Time isn't really as tight as it seems to be. 20 minutes after work in front of the TV or computer vs 20 minutes on a bike or jogging...even 20 minutes walking helps. It is rarely the "lack of time" it is the "forcing oneself to actually do it" that is the problem. A crappy bike on a roller time in the garage is better than the sitting there exhausted time.
It is odd how active people have less weight problems overall.
Absolutely agree. Hell, even doing simple things like taking the stairs instead of the elevator, getting off the bus a few stops earlier, parking at the back of the lot, etc., can make huge changes.
Three months ago I started walking home from work to get a good 3-mile walk in every day. I loved it. Then, a month ago, I joined a gym so that I could incorporate some weight training into my routine. (Plus, by then, the walking just wasn't enough anymore; I'd gotten too used to it. Hence the Couch to 5k, too.) Now, I manage to find 2 hours a day to exercise, which has really only cut into my computer/TV time. I'm still getting everything done that I did before AND I feel better than I've felt in years.
It wasn't hard for me because I was tired of being sick and tired, but it took me almost 15 years to get to that point. I really don't know what the change was that caused it, but I'm glad that it did. I'm not a hell of a lot lighter than I was three months ago (only down 7 pounds), but I FEEL better.
Quote from: merithyn on July 05, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
It only takes 30-45 minutes to run 5 miles. The vast majority of people easily have that much spare time. And most people have teh ability to do it, even if it would take them a month or two before they coudl manage it.
:blink:
Yeah, not me. I run 5 mph, and only for a short amount of time (2 minutes tops). I can't imagine at any point in my life being able to run 5 miles in 30-45 minutes. In an hour? Possibly, at some point.
By the way, I started the Couch to 5k a month ago, so a month or two is very ambitious for this kind of pace daily. Maybe six months... maybe.
OK everyone is different but really you can only run 5mph for 2 minutes after training for a month? I know nothing about your training programme but it sounds a bit ineffective to me.
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 09:37:08 AM
OK everyone is different but really you can only run 5mph for 2 minutes after training for a month? I know nothing about your training programme but it sounds a bit ineffective to me.
Check out the Couch to 5k program. Two minutes AT A TIME. I do a run/walk interval that lasts 20 minutes with a 5 minutes warm up and 5 minute cool down. And the title kind of gives it away: COUCH to 5k. If you are horribly out of shape and overweight/obese, expecting to run 5 miles in 30-40 minutes within a month or two is ridiculous.
I haven't run 5 miles in 20 years.
Quote from: sbr on July 05, 2012, 09:42:04 AM
I haven't run 5 miles in 20 years.
But in a month you could do it in 30 minutes! :w00t: :showoff:
Quote from: sbr on July 05, 2012, 09:42:04 AM
I haven't run 5 miles in 20 years.
Me neither. My days of keeping up with 17 year old Dazzling Urbanite slingers that could actually change direction in mid-air are long since gone, not that I kept up for very long in the first place. :lol:
SHIT GET BACK TO THE CAR GET BACK TO THE FUCKING CAR
I think 5 miles in 30 minutes is aggressive.
But, as a personal example, when I first started running I couldn't go more than 2 minutes at any speed. I was badly out of shape. This isn't what the experts would recommend, but I started by just running as slow as possible as far as possible each day. In the beginning, that was 2 minutes--then I would go home. But I would go a house or two further each day, until I got to a mile. Once I got up to 2 miles, I could add distance at will (the limiting factor was I didn't want to add too much too quickly to avoid injury). I was at 5 miles in about 6 weeks.
There was a program NOVA did on couch potatoes to the Boston Marathon in 9 months. There were a few injuries and not everyone in the program made the marathon. But most were able to do it. Not all the times were good, but one of the guys that skipped a bunch of the training programs finished in under 4 hours (they said he won the genetic lottery, and it turns out he was a member of the Bush family :ph34r:).
Quote from: alfred russel on July 05, 2012, 10:11:29 AM
(they said he won the genetic lottery, and it turns out he was a member of the Bush family :ph34r:).
So they were right.
Quote from: merithyn on July 05, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
It only takes 30-45 minutes to run 5 miles. The vast majority of people easily have that much spare time. And most people have teh ability to do it, even if it would take them a month or two before they coudl manage it.
:blink:
Yeah, not me. I run 5 mph, and only for a short amount of time (2 minutes tops). I can't imagine at any point in my life being able to run 5 miles in 30-45 minutes. In an hour? Possibly, at some point.
By the way, I started the Couch to 5k a month ago, so a month or two is very ambitious for this kind of pace daily. Maybe six months... maybe.
I just checked the couch to 5K programme. The expected period is 9 weeks. That's 5km, but if you can do 5km you can do 5 miles. And you are expected to do it in 30 mins.
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 10:55:26 AM
I just checked the couch to 5K programme. The expected period is 9 weeks. That's 5km, but if you can do 5km you can do 5 miles. And you are expected to do it in 30 mins.
I don't think 5 miles is unrealistic in 9 weeks, but 30 minutes is really moving. A 5k in 30 minutes is a bit under 10 min/mile. 5 miles in 30 minutes is 6 min / mile.
For a point of comparison, I can run 5 miles in 45 minutes without any great difficulty. But I know at my current fitness level I can't run a single mile under 6:45 no matter how hard I push. I recently met a guy that just got a track college scholarship to Wyoming with a 10k time of 38 minutes, and that is just over 6 min / mile.
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 10:55:26 AM
I just checked the couch to 5K programme. The expected period is 9 weeks. That's 5km, but if you can do 5km you can do 5 miles. And you are expected to do it in 30 mins.
5k is only three miles, not five. So, three miles in 30 minutes? Eventually, sure. Probably by the end of this month, if I continue to follow my app. Five miles in 30 minutes? Even five miles in 45 minutes? Yeah, not likely. Especially not in nine weeks. And even if I could, would I want to do that every day? I doubt it. I don't enjoy running that much.
The point is that your assertion that people just running 5 miles a day, every day, would fix all weight problems is ridiculous. Running isn't for everyone, and even some runners will never achieve that goal. It works for you, and that's awesome. My point in this entire thread is that every person is an individual, and as such, it requires an individual process for each one. There is no blanket system that will work with or for everyone. Even calories out/calories in has to be tweaked to find the right numbers for the individual. It is a process of refinement.
Quote from: merithyn on July 05, 2012, 11:10:01 AM
[The point is that your assertion that people just running 5 miles a day, every day, would fix all weight problems is ridiculous.
It certainly would be if I had ever made it. I was just disagreeing with you that the vast majority of people don't have the time or the ability to run 5 mile. I think nearly everyone does have the time and most have the ability to do so.
Meri's tits get in the way. Those blue ribbon winners aren't aerodynamic enough. Too much drag.
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Yeah, I don't see there ever being a time when being accustomed to eating just the right amount of food means one no longer needs self-discipline not to consume a little bit more...
I was talking about physical activity. If one is active enough the intake side doesnt matter as much.
I don't think that's really true. The intake side dominates the expenditure side heavily. You can't burn nearly as many calories by being active as you gain by overeating, unless you're an Olympic swimmer training for London 2012. It's pretty easy to stay thin as long as you have a healthy relationship towards food (which most American do not for a number of reasons).
I've posted this before to a variety of responses, but I disagree--I've never met an obese person that ran five miles a day (say 25 miles a week, with off days). It isn't just the calories you burn, but also that tub of KFC doesn't look as appetizing when you know you will pay for it the next day.
That's because people who work out are far more likely to be health-aware in general (and thus monitor their food), not because exercise is better than dieting to control weight.
I've gone through several periods where I was exercising 5-10 hours a week and losing nothing. Exercise makes you hungry.
Ah well, he's overweight, but that's not the story. He's done a lot of good for New Jersey's financial situation. Good going, we need more like him.
Quote from: Malthus on July 05, 2012, 11:29:18 AM
That's because people who work out are far more likely to be health-aware in general (and thus monitor their food), not because exercise is better than dieting to control weight.
It is anecdotal, but I don't really watch what I eat for purposes of health. If I am traveling and won't be running for a week, I'll eat at McDonalds or half a pizza, etc. But I certainly am not going to eat those types of food or consume some massive feast before I go for a run--the run would be miserable. Similarly, I love steak, but my experience is it is a bit harder to digest: my meat consumption shifts towards chicken away from red meat.
At least for me, it is a question of dieting vs. exercise. Exercise makes the most pleasurable diet I can have a reasonable one.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 05, 2012, 11:19:44 AM
Meri's tits get in the way. Those blue ribbon winners aren't aerodynamic enough. Too much drag.
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Tis true, I'm afraid. These 36Ds weren't made to flop around like that. :mellow:
Quote from: KRonn on July 05, 2012, 11:45:07 AM
Ah well, he's overweight, but that's not the story. He's done a lot of good for New Jersey's financial situation. Good going, we need more like him.
Maybe. Christie gives off a Guiliani vibe to me. On some level he's very competent, but all the attention-whoring and despotic impulses over time can create a dysfunctional government that would make a lot of bad decisions.
Tell me what donuts Governor Christie eats and I shall send a case of them to all the governors.
Quote from: Valmy on July 05, 2012, 12:14:08 PM
Tell me what donuts Governor Christie eats and I shall send a case of them to all the governors.
Hehe, yes sir Mr. Lincoln!! ;)
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Quote from: KRonn on July 05, 2012, 11:45:07 AM
Ah well, he's overweight, but that's not the story. He's done a lot of good for New Jersey's financial situation. Good going, we need more like him.
Maybe. Christie gives off a Guiliani vibe to me. On some level he's very competent, but all the attention-whoring and despotic impulses over time can create a dysfunctional government that would make a lot of bad decisions.
He's an East Coast Republican. Maybe that's the way they are. Bigger market for your antics then Bumfuck, Mississippi. I admit, I kinda like the guy. Some showboating is required for the job, and can even make it a bit more fun (Obama does little showboating and I find him dull). I wonder if he would have a chance in a Republican Primary.
Quote from: Gups on July 05, 2012, 10:55:26 AM
The expected period is 9 weeks. That's 5km, but if you can do 5km you can do 5 miles.
That's sound. And if you can do 5 miles you can do 5 parsecs. WHY NOT THEY'RE THE SAME NUMBER
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Tell me what donuts Governor Christie eats and I shall send a case of them to all the governors.
Hehe, yes sir Mr. Lincoln!! ;)
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Quote from: Malthus on July 05, 2012, 11:29:18 AM
That's because people who work out are far more likely to be health-aware in general (and thus monitor their food), not because exercise is better than dieting to control weight.
Probably true in some cases.
Not always though. In my case higher caloric requirements of my body due to regular exercise allow me to maintain weight without restricting intake in any way.
Gups, I take my hat off to you if you can sustain 6-minute miles over 5 miles. It's more than 90% of my running club can manage. Plus few people can run 5 miles as easily as 5km; a 10km is quite a step-change in race distances.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 06, 2012, 07:54:31 AM
Not always though. In my case higher caloric requirements of my body due to regular exercise allow me to maintain weight without restricting intake in any way.
That will only be true as long as you keep the same level of activity up, right?
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Quote from: Iormlund on July 06, 2012, 07:54:31 AM
Not always though. In my case higher caloric requirements of my body due to regular exercise allow me to maintain weight without restricting intake in any way.
That will only be true as long as you keep the same level of activity up, right?
Yes. A month off the gym is VERY noticeable.