Let the lame Languish cries of "Repeal the 19th Amendment" commence.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76275.html#ixzz1uuNnpXVs
QuoteBy PAUL GOLDMAN and MARK J. ROZELL | 5/14/12 9:19 PM EDT
Will the women's vote finally determine the outcome of the presidential election? Since women first got the vote, with the 19th Amendment in 1920, presidential politics has awaited this climactic moment.
Until now, election statistics have never proved that the 19th Amendment altered the outcome of any presidential race. In 2008, Barack Obama handily won the female vote. But given margins of statistical error in exit polls, the men's choice is not determinable. In both 1992 and 1996, a similar pattern emerged in Bill Clinton's victories.
This could be one reason for this fierce fight over women's issues — far more than the typical Republican vs. Democratic battle of the sexes. It has an unusually angry edge.
A recent Washington Post poll hints at a possible answer. On the surface, the poll seems a replay of 2008 — giving Obama roughly the same percentage margin over Mitt Romney as candidate Obama won against Sen. John McCain. But there's a big difference: Romney has a 4-point lead among men. Indeed, POLITICO's battleground poll of key swing states gives Romney a statistically significant 7-point lead among men.
Meanwhile, the nation's female leaders are due at the White House in August, when the president is hosting a celebration for the 19th Amendment's 92nd anniversary. Studies show that late summer pre-election surveys often track the final outcome.
Given Romney's current weakness with women, he will likely be working from now until the GOP convention at the end of August to improve his public standing.
Experts are predicting a closer election than in 2008. But with the developing gender dynamic, it should not surprise anyone if, come Labor Day, the polls show men solidly favoring Romney with women lined up strongly behind Obama.
So this "battle of the sexes" could then set up a potentially historic climax if the president wins reelection. It would be a significant milestone, symbolic of one of the vast changes occurring in national politics.
The "gender gap" became a staple of presidential campaign commentary starting with Ronald Reagan's election in 1980. Exit polls from previous elections had shown no significant gender gap. The former Hollywood leading man garnered a landslide margin from men while only running at a statistical dead heat among women. He was regarded as too risky by women voters, political analysts explained.
This pattern repeated in 1988, when George H.W. Bush also won on his big margin among men and statistical tie among women.
It wasn't until 2000 that the first statistically definitive split between the sexes emerged: Al Gore won women handily, but he lost men to George W. Bush by an estimated equal amount.
The 2004 exit poll data produced controversial results. The adjusted data suggest Sen. John Kerry likely carried the women's vote narrowly. But he lost in the Electoral College because of Bush's far stronger support among men.
So these current polls reveal a potentially historic wrinkle: The women's vote could now be definitively decisive in electing the president.
For 220 years, picking the president has remained, at least in terms of statistically provable results despite the 19th Amendment, a man's prerogative. But this may finally change in 2012.
Meanwhile, the latest polls suggest another important shift: Younger women may be the kingmakers — offsetting Romney's gain among older white men angry at their fate in this struggling economy.
Whatever you thought you knew about women and the gender gap — think again. The battle of the sexes, with an intergenerational female undercard, may finally redefine presidential politics 92 years after the passage of the 19th Amendment.
Paul Goldman is a former chairman of the Democratic Party of Virginia. Mark J. Rozell is a professor of public policy at George Mason University.
Well, this sounds bad. Placing the fate of your people in the hands of those least able to consider the public good.
Time for ERA! :mmm:
Quote from: Neil on May 14, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
Well, this sounds bad. Placing the fate of your people in the hands of those least able to consider the public good.
You mean politicians?
Quote from: Syt on May 14, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 14, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
Well, this sounds bad. Placing the fate of your people in the hands of those least able to consider the public good.
You mean politicians?
No, women.
Plz
So my general plan to improve my life, which is to kill or otherwise render harmless a lot of men, would also involve a more powerful Democratic Party? Well, it's time to move to Phase II.
Quote from: Ideologue on May 15, 2012, 01:52:35 AM
So my general plan to improve my life, which is to kill or otherwise render harmless a lot of men, would also involve a more powerful Democratic Party? Well, it's time to move to Phase II.
:unsure:
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Meanwhile, the nation's female leaders are due at the White House in August
And who, pray tell, are these people? Is there a secret congress just for women? :P
So many immature misogynists here. Typical.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 12:38:48 PM
So many immature misogynists here. Typical.
Who? Neil?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 15, 2012, 01:37:30 PM
And Seedy.
I take umbrage with that, sir. I have been nothing less than militant my entire life regarding the rights, liberties and equality of women in our society, on all levels, from reproductive rights to equal pay. Hell, I even reject the concept of marriage as a surrender of their independent rights as an individual.
Now, just because it gets me off treating them like the little fuckslut slaves they are, and dragging them around the room on all fours by a dog collar while they're in a Dorothy from Oz costume as I flagellate them with a copy of Furet's
Passing of An Illusion until I spooge a facial doesn't make me any less of a pro-feminist supporter, dammit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Hell, I even reject the concept of marriage as a surrender of their independent rights as an individual.
:yeahright:
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Now, just because it gets me off treating them like the little fuckslut slaves they are, and dragging them around the room on all fours by a dog collar while they're in a Dorothy from Oz costume as I flagellate them with a copy of Furet's Passing of An Illusion until I spooge a facial doesn't make me any less of a pro-feminist supporter, dammit.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 15, 2012, 01:37:30 PM
And Seedy.
I take umbrage with that, sir. I have been nothing less than militant my entire life regarding the rights, liberties and equality of women in our society, on all levels, from reproductive rights to equal pay. Hell, I even reject the concept of marriage as a surrender of their independent rights as an individual.
Now, just because it gets me off treating them like the little fuckslut slaves they are, and dragging them around the room on all fours by a dog collar while they're in a Dorothy from Oz costume as I flagellate them with a copy of Furet's Passing of An Illusion until I spooge a facial doesn't make me any less of a pro-feminist supporter, dammit.
The man has a point - he's staunchly for women's rights
in general, while lusting to violate each and every right of the
particular woman he happens to have locked in his bedroom. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on May 15, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
The man has a point - he's staunchly for women's rights in general, while lusting to violate each and every right of the particular woman he happens to have locked in his bedroom. ;)
It's their sexual liberation I am attempting to achieve, can't you people understand that? Please see: Nails, Nine Inch: Slavery, Happiness In
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 15, 2012, 01:37:30 PM
And Seedy.
I take umbrage with that, sir. I have been nothing less than militant my entire life regarding the rights, liberties and equality of women in our society, on all levels, from reproductive rights to equal pay. Hell, I even reject the concept of marriage as a surrender of their independent rights as an individual.
Now, just because it gets me off treating them like the little fuckslut slaves they are, and dragging them around the room on all fours by a dog collar while they're in a Dorothy from Oz costume as I flagellate them with a copy of Furet's Passing of An Illusion until I spooge a facial doesn't make me any less of a pro-feminist supporter, dammit.
Yeah, the Bill Clinton "public morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:36:00 PM
Yeah, the Bill Clinton "public morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
Seriously? This coming from The Whore Pill(tm) guy?
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:36:00 PM
Yeah, the Bill Clinton "public morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
Wait did you just try to insult CdM by comparing him to his hero? Fail.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 03:43:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:36:00 PM
Yeah, the Bill Clinton "public morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
Seriously? This coming from The Whore Pill(tm) guy?
Well obviously I think the "public morality" thing is BS. In my private life I treat women like gold.
Quote from: Valmy on May 15, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:36:00 PM
Yeah, the Bill Clinton "public morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
Wait did you just try to insult CdM by comparing him to his hero? Fail.
Not my intent. Just remembering back to when I first heard of the "public vs. private morality" concept. Obviously Clinton is the personification of everything Seedy desires to be.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
In my private life I treat women like gold.
Well, that's your fucking problem.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
Obviously Clinton is the personification of everything Seedy desires to be.
:smarty: :smarty: :smarty:
Quote from: Neil on May 14, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
Well, this sounds bad. Placing the fate of your people in the hands of those least able to consider the public good.
I heard the gay vote base is also getting energized so at least someone sensible will vote. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
In my private life I treat women like gold.
Well, that's your fucking problem.
It would be a problem if I didn't. Of course, before I got married things were a little different.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
In my private life I treat women like gold.
What, you lock them up really well?
Sounds like you have something in common with CdM ... :D
Quote from: Malthus on May 15, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
In my private life I treat women like gold.
What, you lock them up really well?
Sounds like you have something in common with CdM ... :D
Never got into that, actually. I never understood the appeal :mellow:
Tim, does the word "finally" in the title indicate that you believe they did not before this?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 15, 2012, 05:50:41 PM
Tim, does the word "finally" in the title indicate that you believe they did not before this?
Tim believes that women just got the vote in 2011, after the dinosaur Confederacy was defeated by the Union with the help of the time-traveling battleship
Yamato and a plucky junior reporter.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
In my private life I treat women like gold.
Well, that's your fucking problem.
It would be a problem if I didn't. Of course, before I got married things were a little different.
Ah, the Rush Limbaugh "private morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 15, 2012, 07:09:49 PM
Ah, the Rush Limbaugh "private morality" loophole thingie :mellow:
:hug:
Women shouldn't have the vote. PERIOD.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 15, 2012, 07:53:36 PM
Women shouldn't have the vote. PERIOD.
They are a little unstable at times during the month.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 15, 2012, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 15, 2012, 07:53:36 PM
Women shouldn't have the vote. PERIOD.
They are a little unstable at times during the month.
Unsafe at any speed.
Ooooo.... so what I'm hearing is that MY vote counts, even though I live in Illinois? :showoff:
only worth 3/5ths of mine.
Women are not people. They are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our amusement
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Women are not people. They are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our amusement
:yes:
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Women are not people. They are devices built by our Lord Jesus Christ for our amusement
So why you be all trippin and givin me shit, yo?
I firmly believe women should vote, as long as they have a strong male hand to guide them and inform them for whom they should vote. That way, right thinking men get two votes.
Quote from: PDH on May 15, 2012, 08:16:22 PM
I firmly believe women should vote, as long as they have a strong male hand to guide them and inform them for whom they should vote. That way, right thinking men get two votes.
My wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:43:02 PMMy wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
Do you have a way to check if she keeps up her end of the bargain?
Quote from: Neil on May 15, 2012, 12:11:30 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 14, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 14, 2012, 11:23:18 PM
Well, this sounds bad. Placing the fate of your people in the hands of those least able to consider the public good.
You mean politicians?
No, women.
Repeal the 19th Amendment.
Quote from: Jacob on May 15, 2012, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:43:02 PMMy wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
Do you have a way to check if she keeps up her end of the bargain?
I suppose I could accompany her in the voting booth. But she has no reason not to vote for the list of candidates I give her. She's apolitical, but when pushed she tends libertarian, maybe slightly on the conservative side.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
My wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
Hardly. You're out the cost of a pair of shoes for no appreciable gain.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 15, 2012, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
My wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
Hardly. You're out the cost of a pair of shoes for no appreciable gain.
Well put. Next time take her to the Salvation Army for shoes. They're already broke in.
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
Quote from: PDH on May 15, 2012, 08:16:22 PM
I firmly believe women should vote, as long as they have a strong male hand to guide them and inform them for whom they should vote. That way, right thinking men get two votes.
My wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
In the recent Alberta election my wife and I marched down to the polling station and promptly cancelled out each other's votes. :)
I didn't mind - I was conflicted anyways, and it was the first time we've ever voted against each other. Normally I can convince her - without needing shoes (which she is uninterested in).
I just hope she doesn't read this. :ph34r:
:hmm: One PC, one Wildrose?
No she is the sane one in that relationship.
Quote from: katmai on May 15, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
No she is the sane one in that relationship.
My wife isn't stupid enough to vote NDP. :rolleyes:
Habbaku had it right. :)
Didn't realize you were mentally unhinged enough to vote Wildrose.
Quote from: katmai on May 15, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
Didn't realize you were mentally unhinged enough to vote Wildrose.
Don't make me show you just how unhinged I am! :grr:
Quote from: Barrister on May 15, 2012, 10:42:52 PM
Habbaku had it right. :)
:cheers: Was worried for a moment that your wife had voted Liberal.
Quote from: Habbaku on May 15, 2012, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 15, 2012, 10:42:52 PM
Habbaku had it right. :)
:cheers: Was worried for a moment that your wife had voted Liberal.
My beautiful wife grew up in a town of 100 people. She is hardly the typical demographic of a Liberal Party voter. :wub:
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 04:52:12 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 15, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 03:50:30 PM
In my private life I treat women like gold.
What, you lock them up really well?
Sounds like you have something in common with CdM ... :D
Never got into that, actually. I never understood the appeal :mellow:
I assume the "appeal" is in "them not running away, screaming for the cops, and you ending up in jail". :D
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 15, 2012, 10:19:45 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 15, 2012, 08:43:02 PM
My wife agreed to vote exactly as I tell her. She's rewarded with a new pair of shoes. Win-win.
Hardly. You're out the cost of a pair of shoes for no appreciable gain.
Having my vote count double is worth more than a pair of shoes to me. Not so much for local elections since my area is a GOP stronghold, but for Governor, Senate, and Presidential elections, which for Ohio are very much in play.
It frightens me to think that there actually are women out there like that. :(
And probably more than I can bare to think about at all.
If Spiess wants to pay me fifty bucks, he can have my vote too. :)
Can't get good shoes for only $50 bucks.
:rolleyes:
Damn. I thought for sure that I would finally matter. :(
Quote from: merithyn on May 16, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
And probably more than I can bare to think about at all.
BTW, do you always strip to think? :unsure:
I strip to pay my bills.
Quote from: merithyn on May 16, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
It frightens me to think that there actually are women out there like that. :(
And probably more than I can bare to think about at all.
Women who grew up in corrupt Latin American political systems and are therefore so disillusioned with politics that they are decidedly apolitical? Yeah, there are women like that out there ;)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 16, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
If Spiess wants to pay me fifty bucks, he can have my vote too. :)
I'll extend the same deal to you & offer you a pair of women's shoes in exchange for your vote.
Quote from: merithyn on May 16, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
It frightens me to think that there actually are women out there like that. :(
And probably more than I can bare to think about at all.
Yeah well she is not from the US so I wouldn't despair for your gender. It is not like tons of men do not have far worse methods of determining who to vote for.
Quote from: Valmy on May 18, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: merithyn on May 16, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
It frightens me to think that there actually are women out there like that. :(
And probably more than I can bare to think about at all.
Yeah well she is not from the US so I wouldn't despair for your gender. It is not like tons of men do not have far worse methods of determining who to vote for.
Lots of them simply ask their wife who's she's voting for and do the opposite. I know five or six guys who do that.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
Lots of them simply ask their wife who's she's voting for and do the opposite. I know five or six guys who do that.
Hilarious-- never heard of any guy doing that myself.
I used to send a voting guide out to my family as well as my brother's in-laws, but found out that it wasn't necessary since all nine of us vote identically anyway.
Quote from: derspiess on May 18, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
Lots of them simply ask their wife who's she's voting for and do the opposite. I know five or six guys who do that.
Hilarious-- never heard of any guy doing that myself.
I used to send a voting guide out to my family as well as my brother's in-laws, but found out that it wasn't necessary since all nine of us vote identically anyway.
the only thing left is bullying from the pulpit :p
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 18, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 18, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 18, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
Lots of them simply ask their wife who's she's voting for and do the opposite. I know five or six guys who do that.
Hilarious-- never heard of any guy doing that myself.
I used to send a voting guide out to my family as well as my brother's in-laws, but found out that it wasn't necessary since all nine of us vote identically anyway.
the only thing left is bullying from the pulpit :p
Nah, I only bug family & close friends about politics.