FUCK YEAH! :punk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eM--4UklaL4
That's what I'm talkin bout.
Nice.
Interesting....
Yet a bit sad that after the main event they:re reduced to this kids movie.
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Interesting....
Yet a bit sad that after the main event they:re reduced to this kids movie.
What are you too sophisticated for it or something?
Anyway very cool trailer. It looks like they really did it justice.
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Interesting....
Yet a bit sad that after the main event they:re reduced to this kids movie.
There's gonna be the Trolls, the Battle of Five Armies and Smaug! How much more action do you need?
Also, the dwarves singing sounded way more badass then I ever imagined!
Disappointed, I thought it was going to be a video with Belichoke going all Bilbo Baggins on Brady's ass. One Hoodie to Rule Them All!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
Also, the dwarves singing sounded way more badass then I ever imagined!
Are you sure you don't mean the dwarves?
Dwarf's... :huh:
Looks good. Course so did the LOTR movies, and I still haven't found the time to give them a second viewing.
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2011, 01:12:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
Also, the dwarves singing sounded way more badass then I ever imagined!
Are you sure you don't mean the dwarves?
:huh:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 21, 2011, 01:29:48 AM
Looks good. Course so did the LOTR movies, and I still haven't found the time to give them a second viewing.
Well it is the same director and the same actors (where applicable) so if you didn't like LOTR you might as well stay away.
I didn't dislike them.
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Interesting....
Yet a bit sad that after the main event they:re reduced to this kids movie.
What the fuck do you mean by that?
The trailer seems like taken straight out of the movie trilogy. The book itself is much less serious than LotR and was originally meant as a children story. :huh:
That might have been what he meant. The original novel was children's story, it follows that the film version would be directed toward children. Though that's not for certain by any means. I think Tolkien later regretted making the Hobbit a children's story.
I'm confused this is slated to be out in 2013
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Is he making a two part??
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:16:05 AM
That might have been what he meant. The original novel was children's story, it follows that the film version would be directed toward children. Though that's not for certain by any means. I think Tolkien later regretted making the Hobbit a children's story.
I didn't see anything in this trailer that would suggest this is directed towards kids (at least not more than LotR).
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2011, 02:58:42 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2011, 01:32:47 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2011, 01:12:05 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
Also, the dwarves singing sounded way more badass then I ever imagined!
Are you sure you don't mean the dwarves?
:huh:
I was sure you wrote "elves" at first.
Oh, well I didn't. :unsure:
11B4V - Yes, a two parter. IIRC they're going to bad it a lot from Tolkien's footnotes and stuff.
Quote from: Martinus on December 21, 2011, 03:26:45 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:16:05 AM
That might have been what he meant. The original novel was children's story, it follows that the film version would be directed toward children. Though that's not for certain by any means. I think Tolkien later regretted making the Hobbit a children's story.
I didn't see anything in this trailer that would suggest this is directed towards kids (at least not more than LotR).
Tear your eyes away from Bilbo's feet and maybe you'll understand his critique.
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
I'm confused this is slated to be out in 2013
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Is he making a two part??
Yes.
Quote from: Martinus on December 21, 2011, 03:26:45 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:16:05 AM
That might have been what he meant. The original novel was children's story, it follows that the film version would be directed toward children. Though that's not for certain by any means. I think Tolkien later regretted making the Hobbit a children's story.
I didn't see anything in this trailer that would suggest this is directed towards kids (at least not more than LotR).
So?
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:16:05 AM
That might have been what he meant. The original novel was children's story, it follows that the film version would be directed toward children. Though that's not for certain by any means. I think Tolkien later regretted making the Hobbit a children's story.
Indeed.
Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.
The only way the Hobbit is a kids' story is because of the writing style, which does not apply in a movie since it uses pictures instead of words. The actual story is no less badass than LotR.
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2011, 12:05:34 AM
That's what I'm talkin bout.
No, this is what you're talkin bout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gFwvozMHR4&feature=relmfu
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.
:cry: :x
Quote from: Gups on December 21, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.
:cry: :x
English has been broken for decades. Don't start crying over it now.
Broken, yes.
Fucked up the arse with a giant redwood, no.
Yes, he did fuck it up the arse. Should be "lord of the ringsize it".
Tyr, you fucking gypsy.
Quote from: Gups on December 21, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.
:cry: :x
I am no longer the worst English teacher on Languish! :w00t:
Quote from: Solmyr on December 21, 2011, 06:23:29 AM
The only way the Hobbit is a kids' story is because of the writing style, which does not apply in a movie since it uses pictures instead of words. The actual story is no less badass than LotR.
The Hobbit is closer to a fairy tale then the Lord of the Rings. Motifs seen in fairy tales are more prominent then in LOTR which uses the motifs of an epic more. Things like giants who plan to cook and eat smaller people and the use of trickery to defeat them or the riddle contest. The dwarves of the Hobbit are semi-ridiculous figures, who are saved by the common sense type hero who finds an item that gives him great power.
True, but fairy tales and kids' stories are not necessarily one and the same.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 21, 2011, 08:24:09 AM
True, but fairy tales and kids' stories are not necessarily one and the same.
I agree (and I think Mr. Tolkien would have agreed as well). He covered this topic in an essay on "Fairy Stories" Many fairy tales are actually quite dark and have had elements taken out of them to make them acceptable to children. I don't quite understand this actually. When I was a boy I was interested in stories of blood and guts, and I don't think I was alone. I suspect children would be more interested in reading if they were allowed to read things that interested in them. I digress. Fairy tales have been presented as a children's medium for a long time now and the Hobbit was written as a children's story. I imagine the film will not be directed mostly toward children though, and will be rated PG-13.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 08:33:30 AM
Many fairy tales are actually quite dark and have had elements taken out of them to make them acceptable to children. I don't quite understand this actually. When I was a boy I was interested in stories of blood and guts, and I don't think I was alone. I suspect children would be more interested in reading if they were allowed to read things that interested in them.
What interests children is blood and guts? :huh:
Anyway, I watched that trailer and it didn't seem any more kid-like than the other films.
Straight little boys.
Tainted. :(
Quote from: Gups on December 21, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.
:cry: :x
That was pretty standard slang :huh:
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
Quote from: Gups on December 21, 2011, 06:41:13 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 21, 2011, 06:02:49 AM
Though I must say the trailer does look like they're trying to adult it up in parts, trying to lord of the ringsise it a bit. At the core though it does remain a kids story.
:cry: :x
That was pretty standard slang :huh:
On Mars?
Bleh.
Can Jackson do dwarves that are not just the punchline for sophomoric jokes though?
The trailer is not encouraging in that regard.
Quote from: Berkut on December 21, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Can Jackson do dwarves that are not just the punchline for sophomoric jokes though?
The trailer is not encouraging in that regard.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 21, 2011, 01:04:15 AM
Also, the dwarves singing sounded way more badass then I ever imagined!
Quote from: Berkut on December 21, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Can Jackson do dwarves that are not just the punchline for sophomoric jokes though?
The trailer is not encouraging in that regard.
While there was plenty of that in LOTR I didn't think Gimli was just a punchline. He certainly had his dignity as a fightin', drinkin', gold diggin' dwarf.
It may have been a long time since you read the Hobbit but Tolkien uses the dwarves for alot of the comic relief in the book. Even the very dignified Thorin Oakshield.
Yea I would say Jackson already used the Hobbit dwarves in LOTR. A shame.
Quote from: Maximus on December 21, 2011, 03:45:22 PM
Yea I would say Jackson already used the Hobbit D&D dwarves in LOTR. A shame.
FYP
Meh, the D&D dwarves were based on the LOTR dwarves anyway. He used the silly dwarves rather than the fierce LOTR dwarves.
Yeah, but wasn't the Scottish-talking, hard drinking dwarf popularized mostly by D&D?
Quote from: Maximus on December 21, 2011, 04:05:33 PM
Meh, the D&D dwarves were based on the LOTR dwarves anyway. He used the silly dwarves rather than the fierce LOTR dwarves.
Well that was not the way I saw it. Gimli was plenty fierce.
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2011, 04:06:51 PM
Yeah, but wasn't the Scottish-talking, hard drinking dwarf popularized mostly by D&D?
I don't remember dwarves with a Scottish accent before WoW.
I'm really looking forward to this :)
I hope they do Farmer Giles of Ham next.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 21, 2011, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2011, 04:06:51 PM
Yeah, but wasn't the Scottish-talking, hard drinking dwarf popularized mostly by D&D?
I don't remember dwarves with a Scottish accent before WoW.
Not as noticeable with the written word. I don't know when Dwarves became Scottish. I read Tolkien a long time ago, and tried to avoid the D&D novels.
The biggest potential problem with the movie is that Jackson doesn't like to cut. Return of the King and King Kong both could have used a lot of cutting. For Return of the King they could have cut multiple endings. That really wasn't necessary. If they had, perhaps they could have kept in some of the interesting stuff, like the fate of Saruman. King Kong could have easily had 20 minutes of dead weight cut off and it would have made it a much better movie.
Sucks.
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
I'm confused this is slated to be out in 2013
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Is he making a two part??
The IMDB page has a cast listing for Azog and for Thrain, so I am guessing this story includes not just the Hobbit, but the whole story leading up to it (as told by Gandalf at Rivendell, and as expanded in the Appendices). This ties the story into the LOTR story, so is a smart way to do it, given the popularity of the first movie trilogy.
Quote from: grumbler on December 22, 2011, 07:51:51 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
I'm confused this is slated to be out in 2013
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Is he making a two part??
The IMDB page has a cast listing for Azog and for Thrain, so I am guessing this story includes not just the Hobbit, but the whole story leading up to it (as told by Gandalf at Rivendell, and as expanded in the Appendices). This ties the story into the LOTR story, so is a smart way to do it, given the popularity of the first movie trilogy.
These could be done as flashbacks, the same way they had parts of Hobbit in the Lord of the Rings.
Galadriel is back! :w00t:
G.
Looks like a complete rip-off of those Lord Of The Ring films. It's even got that same wizard geezer in it.
Quote from: Martinus on December 22, 2011, 07:55:52 AM
These could be done as flashbacks, the same way they had parts of Hobbit in the Lord of the Rings.
It won't be chronological, because the first movie is going to tell the story of the dwarfs versus Smaug (i.e. the actual Hobbit) and the second is going to link that story to LOTR (presumably by telling the story of how The Neuromancer - who will appear in the first movie, at least briefly - fits into all of this, which in turn involves Thrain and the Dwarf and Goblin War).
Quote from: Brazen on December 22, 2011, 08:56:11 AM
Looks like a complete rip-off tip-off of those Lord Of The Ring films. It's even got that same wizard geezer in it.
Exactly. When done, these will be the first two movies of a pentalogy. The director has stated how careful he has been in filming to modify his style in the second movie to evolve into something resembling Jackson's, so that viewers see the works as part of a whole.
Quote from: Brazen on December 22, 2011, 08:56:11 AM
Looks like a complete rip-off of those Lord Of The Ring films. It's even got that same wizard geezer in it.
Yeah, it's disgusting how they would milk this cash cow by coming up with dumbed-down inane "prequels" for kids. Wait till we see Jar Jar Baggins. :rolleyes:
Quote from: grumbler on December 22, 2011, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: Brazen on December 22, 2011, 08:56:11 AM
Looks like a complete rip-off tip-off of those Lord Of The Ring films. It's even got that same wizard geezer in it.
Exactly. When done, these will be the first two movies of a pentalogy. The director has stated how careful he has been in filming to modify his style in the second movie to evolve into something resembling Jackson's, so that viewers see the works as part of a whole.
I think grumbler didn't get the joke. :(
Quote from: grumbler on December 22, 2011, 07:51:51 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
I'm confused this is slated to be out in 2013
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Is he making a two part??
The IMDB page has a cast listing for Azog and for Thrain, so I am guessing this story includes not just the Hobbit, but the whole story leading up to it (as told by Gandalf at Rivendell, and as expanded in the Appendices). This ties the story into the LOTR story, so is a smart way to do it, given the popularity of the first movie trilogy.
I think I read that movie is going to have the White Council so I suppose there will be something about the war against the Necromancer in Dol Guldar. That would explain why we see Galadriel.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 22, 2011, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: grumbler on December 22, 2011, 07:51:51 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 21, 2011, 03:17:41 AM
I'm confused this is slated to be out in 2013
The Hobbit: There and Back Again
Is he making a two part??
The IMDB page has a cast listing for Azog and for Thrain, so I am guessing this story includes not just the Hobbit, but the whole story leading up to it (as told by Gandalf at Rivendell, and as expanded in the Appendices). This ties the story into the LOTR story, so is a smart way to do it, given the popularity of the first movie trilogy.
I think I read that movie is going to have the White Council so I suppose there will be something about the war against the Necromancer in Dol Guldar. That would explain why we see Galadriel.
It had better. Radaghast the Brown was cut unfairly.
Quote from: Martinus on December 22, 2011, 09:24:32 AM
I think grumbler didn't get the joke. :(
You think.... poorly.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 22, 2011, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 22, 2011, 10:14:09 AM
I think I read that movie is going to have the White Council so I suppose there will be something about the war against the Necromancer in Dol Guldar. That would explain why we see Galadriel.
It had better. Radaghast the Brown was cut unfairly.
Seeing Galadriel could also be explained by the story being told by Bilbo to Frodo as they leave for the West at the end of Lord of the Rings. That looks like how the movie is being setup to me. It starts at the end of the Lord of the Rings and is told in flashback.
Definitely White Council/Dol Guldar shots in the trailer, at least from what I can see. There's one with, I presume, Thrain looking all zombie dwarf like and Gandalf and some others with just Gandalf in dark/ruin-y places. Also, as people mentioned Galadriel is in Rivendell it would seem.
Quote from: PRC on December 22, 2011, 01:57:56 PM
Seeing Galadriel could also be explained by the story being told by Bilbo to Frodo as they leave for the West at the end of Lord of the Rings. That looks like how the movie is being setup to me. It starts at the end of the Lord of the Rings and is told in flashback.
Bilbo never met Galadriel, I don't believe, except maybe between the time he arrived in Rivendell after The Party and before Frodo arrived.
Quote from: grumbler on December 22, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
Bilbo never met Galadriel, I don't believe, except maybe between the time he arrived in Rivendell after The Party and before Frodo arrived.
In Peter Jackson's film version of the Return of the King they leave on the same ship for the West. Celeborn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Frodo and Bilbo all leave on that ship.
Quote from: PRC on December 22, 2011, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 22, 2011, 04:37:11 PM
Bilbo never met Galadriel, I don't believe, except maybe between the time he arrived in Rivendell after The Party and before Frodo arrived.
In Peter Jackson's film version of the Return of the King they leave on the same ship for the West. Celeborn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Frodo and Bilbo all leave on that ship.
My God that's some dreary shuffleboard team mates.
Quote from: PRC on December 22, 2011, 04:56:37 PM
In Peter Jackson's film version of the Return of the King they leave on the same ship for the West. Celeborn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Frodo and Bilbo all leave on that ship.
In Tolkien's version, too, except that Bilbo wasn't telling any stories about it. I suppose the story could be told as they sail into the west, but that doesn't seem likely. To "sail into the West" was a euphemism for death.
Quote from: The Brain on December 22, 2011, 05:48:07 PM
My God that's some dreary shuffleboard team mates.
But it would make for some great Bingo! :P
Quote from: PRC on December 22, 2011, 01:57:56 PM
Seeing Galadriel could also be explained by the story being told by Bilbo to Frodo as they leave for the West at the end of Lord of the Rings. That looks like how the movie is being setup to me. It starts at the end of the Lord of the Rings and is told in flashback.
I don't think so. When Bilbo left for the West he was visibly aged, hair turned white and senile, in the trailer he's depicted as was before he gave the Ring to Frodo.
Indeed. It looks rather like something Bilbo was writing down with the intention to give it to Frodo before he left for Rivendell after his famous birthday party.
He was writing it all down, wasn't he? There and Back Again, which was begun by Bilbo and finished by Frodo?
Quote from: Ender on December 27, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Indeed. It looks rather like something Bilbo was writing down with the intention to give it to Frodo before he left for Rivendell after his famous birthday party.
:lol: