What are the typical dick moves that piss you off (or ones that you use :ph34r: ) in your line of work.
Two for the start, that I encounter fairly often:
- a secretary of someone (such as a lawyer from another lawfirm) calling you telling he/she wants to talk to you - when you agree, they connect you to the person (which takes a while as he / she now needs to answer the phone). This means they are wasting your time, rather than that of their boss. When I have to wait more than two "rings" I usually hang up unless this is some important client calling.
- the other party in negotiations sending you a markup of an agreement, in a form of handwritten notes on a scanned document (as opposed to a mark-up, e.g. in track changes, in Word). I'm not your fucking secretary.
When after asking me to do something, while I am getting the gear to do it together, you go in a fucking meeting for 1 hour.
I've grown wiser now to it tho, I wait for them to ask again & some are also forbidden from asking me to do stuff directly. Ask my boss, you piss me off too much.
I always love it when a client calls me up and says something like "my lawyer messed up my file and their hourly rate is way too high. I'm looking for someone to fix it and do it cheaper".
Yeah, that sounds attractive - file is already a mess, maybe it could have been done right at one point but now chances are it is screwed up beyond redemption and the client is certain to be difficult to bill ... sounds great.
Some clients never realize that if their file has been screwed up, it is going to cost more to fix it that doing it right in the first place (assuming it can be fixed), not less. This sort of client is also bound to be the type who went with a cheap lawyer in the first place because they were cheap, only to discover that they did not know what they were doing. Good luck on finding someone cheaper who does! :lol:
Formatting the numbers in an Excell exhibit without comma separators, and/or without showing the appropriate and fixed number of decimal places, is something that I always take personally.
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2011, 12:14:38 PM
- a secretary of someone (such as a lawyer from another lawfirm) calling you telling he/she wants to talk to you - when you agree, they connect you to the person (which takes a while as he / she now needs to answer the phone). This means they are wasting your time, rather than that of their boss. When I have to wait more than two "rings" I usually hang up unless this is some important client calling.
- the other party in negotiations sending you a markup of an agreement, in a form of handwritten notes on a scanned document (as opposed to a mark-up, e.g. in track changes, in Word). I'm not your fucking secretary.
Maybe they'd respect you more if you were a secretary.
I'd the say the two biggest dick moves where I work are...
1) Calling for a search for 6:00 AM and than the lead person who called it not showing up.
2) A defense attorney sending a fax that they want their clients preliminary hearing than showing up to the hearing, waiving it, and saying they just wanted to talk with you about a deal.
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2011, 12:14:38 PM
What are the typical dick moves that piss you off (or ones that you use :ph34r: ) in your line of work.
Two for the start, that I encounter fairly often:
- a secretary of someone (such as a lawyer from another lawfirm) calling you telling he/she wants to talk to you - when you agree, they connect you to the person (which takes a while as he / she now needs to answer the phone). This means they are wasting your time, rather than that of their boss. When I have to wait more than two "rings" I usually hang up unless this is some important client calling.
- the other party in negotiations sending you a markup of an agreement, in a form of handwritten notes on a scanned document (as opposed to a mark-up, e.g. in track changes, in Word). I'm not your fucking secretary.
When I get a automated call from a credit card company, usually for one of the employees and it starts "please hold the line while we find an available representative". Fuck that. I hang up immediatly.
People way overuse the cc feature in their email correspondence. It's obnoxious.
People sitting on invoices for several months before forwarding them to us and then complaining that we didn't pay them the day we received them. "You could see that this was urgent!"
These sound like petty annoyances, not "dick" moves.
Dick moves in my line of work:
-lawyers who constantly say 'oh I'm sure we can work something out', but on the day of trial won't admit anything
-lawyers who accuse you of unprofessional conduct in front of the judge
-lawyers who blame the Crown for missing disclosure, when they haven't bothered to come and pick it up
-lawyers who complain in court that 'they can never get ahold of the Crown', when they made one call 5 minutes before court started
-lawyers who lie - about everything
Anything HR does.
Quote from: Syt on November 21, 2011, 01:38:27 PM
People sitting on invoices for several months before forwarding them to us and then complaining that we didn't pay them the day we received them. "You could see that this was urgent!"
All the invoices I need to approve are always sent to me at the last minute by finance with little notes on them that it's urgent. Sometimes I need to do some research to verify, and they get mad if I hang on to them for a few hours. I mean, these people got the damn things a month ago. Why am I never sent any that are not in an emergency-need-asap status?
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2011, 12:17:51 PM
I wait for them to ask again
:mad:
I am used to cooperating with people who don't give a fuck, but in my new role that has grown up a scale as I coordnate stuff. I understand that people have other stuff to do than the one I am telling them, so I am always polite and wait days between e-mails (unless it's super-urgent), but FFS, if you can do it in a couple of minutes when I chat on you, be a playa' and answer my e-mail, damn.
If this continues I will send an e-mail explaining stuff, then chat on the recipient immediately, and I won't care how much of a prick he/she will take me for. God damn.
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
These sound like petty annoyances, not "dick" moves.
Dick moves in my line of work:
-lawyers who constantly say 'oh I'm sure we can work something out', but on the day of trial won't admit anything
-lawyers who accuse you of unprofessional conduct in front of the judge
-lawyers who blame the Crown for missing disclosure, when they haven't bothered to come and pick it up
-lawyers who complain in court that 'they can never get ahold of the Crown', when they made one call 5 minutes before court started
-lawyers who lie - about everything
on that level, add people on who you spend an hour explaining something on the phone because she is dumb, then to support her lazy-ass take on an issue, act like the conversation never fuckin' happened and turn to your superior's superior for the same explanation.
Last fucking time I did not send out meeting minutes, I tell you that much.
A researcher telling me that they have a 40,000 word report that needs editing, formatting and printing for this mega-super-incredibly important conference with, like, all the government ministers in the world, ever, and then asking me when I could have it ready for them by. And by "when I could have it ready for them by", I actually mean them telling me they need it all done and delivered in two weeks' time. And that I can't really say no, because there's £00,000s of funding on the line.
Said researcher telling me two days before final sign off with the printer that 20,000 words have to be changed completely (and thus edited again and laid out again) because one of the sponsors came back with changes and yes the reason they didn't tell me beforehand was because they were so very sure the sponsors were happy with it.
Sponsors or project partners (often Chinese or French organisations) demanding wholesale revision of agreed text hours before a printing deadline.
Someone telling me one of my staff completely ballsed up their project and is hopeless (while my staff member has been so good as to kindly BCC me into the audit trail, revealing the opposite).
Spending a lot of time drafting extensive feedback on a research report, agreeing with the author the modifications necessary for publication, and then receiving a non-track changed redraft, which after doing a straightforward compare/contrast in MS Word (amazing how many people don't know you can do this), realising that 5% of the requested changes have been made. Researcher professes shock and surprise when confronted with the evidence. Disappointed when you explain, again, that mandatory changes are not optional.
People submitting manuscripts to me that they claim are in "great shape, only needs a bit of work for house style". Upon reading, I discover that they are written in a bizarre pidgin English I can barely fathom. Oh and they need it by yesterday.
Bored professors living in remote parts of the UK whose article pitch turns into a forty minute verbal ramble. if I hang up on them they complain in writing to the director of the institute.
Interns from other departments ordering me to do stuff for them.
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
These sound like petty annoyances, not "dick" moves.
Dick moves in my line of work:
-lawyers who constantly say 'oh I'm sure we can work something out', but on the day of trial won't admit anything
The lawyer admitting something would be interesting: "I submit that my client could not have killed his wife, because I did it".
:D
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2011, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
These sound like petty annoyances, not "dick" moves.
Dick moves in my line of work:
-lawyers who constantly say 'oh I'm sure we can work something out', but on the day of trial won't admit anything
The lawyer admitting something would be interesting: "I submit that my client could not have killed his wife, because I did it".
:D
Admissions are the necessary grease to the wheels of justice. Defence counsel will routinely admit very basic facts that everyone knows the Crown can prove, but will be time-consuming for everyone involved. Things like admitting continuity of exhibits, the identity of the accused, the ownership and value of items.
So before a bigger trial Crown will invariably contact defence to work out what can be admitted, and what can not, so we can have a more effective trial.
Thus, the giant dick move that is to constantly respond with vague generalities like 'I think we can work something out', 'I'm pretty sure we can do that', 'that sounds reasonable - let me get back to you', only to show up on the day of trial and say with a smirk "nope, we won't admit anything".
That's not an annoyance - that is something trying to fuck you over.
Quote from: viper37 on November 21, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
When I get a automated call from a credit card company, usually for one of the employees and it starts "please hold the line while we find an available representative". Fuck that. I hang up immediatly.
You should screen your calls better.
Quote from: Tamas on November 21, 2011, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2011, 12:17:51 PM
I wait for them to ask again
:mad:
I am used to cooperating with people who don't give a fuck, but in my new role that has grown up a scale as I coordnate stuff. I understand that people have other stuff to do than the one I am telling them, so I am always polite and wait days between e-mails (unless it's super-urgent), but FFS, if you can do it in a couple of minutes when I chat on you, be a playa' and answer my e-mail, damn.
If this continues I will send an e-mail explaining stuff, then chat on the recipient immediately, and I won't care how much of a prick he/she will take me for. God damn.
My situation is little different then what I meant. I assume that when you ask someone to do something for you, that you have explained everything that needs to be done clearly. That is not what I face.
I face the "Can you test this new Camera for me right now, it's an emergency" and then they disappear while I scour the office for their fucking Camera.
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2011, 03:21:46 PM
Quote from: dps on November 21, 2011, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
These sound like petty annoyances, not "dick" moves.
Dick moves in my line of work:
-lawyers who constantly say 'oh I'm sure we can work something out', but on the day of trial won't admit anything
The lawyer admitting something would be interesting: "I submit that my client could not have killed his wife, because I did it".
:D
Admissions are the necessary grease to the wheels of justice. Defence counsel will routinely admit very basic facts that everyone knows the Crown can prove, but will be time-consuming for everyone involved. Things like admitting continuity of exhibits, the identity of the accused, the ownership and value of items.
So before a bigger trial Crown will invariably contact defence to work out what can be admitted, and what can not, so we can have a more effective trial.
Thus, the giant dick move that is to constantly respond with vague generalities like 'I think we can work something out', 'I'm pretty sure we can do that', 'that sounds reasonable - let me get back to you', only to show up on the day of trial and say with a smirk "nope, we won't admit anything".
That's not an annoyance - that is something trying to fuck you over.
Yes, I was just being silly.
Training my clients a week prior to a conversion & having them show no interest in the subject matter. Then hearing from my boss a few weeks after the conversion that they're claiming they weren't trained.
I'm going to start making them sign a form acknowledging that they were trained on each topic.
Previous employees now working for a competing business trash talking the quality of service at our establishment when, ironically, they were the cause for the dropping quality to begin with.
Defacing our adverts is just gravey. Fucking uppity cunts will eventually be taught a lesson.
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Training my clients a week prior to a conversion & having them show no interest in the subject matter. Then hearing from my boss a few weeks after the conversion that they're claiming they weren't trained.
I'm going to start making them sign a form acknowledging that they were trained on each topic.
Use an LMS. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=11&gs_id=1h&xhr=t&q=learning+management+system) Even better.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 21, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
People way overuse the cc feature in their email correspondence. It's obnoxious.
Or don't use it at all... :mad:...then I get quiries from other departments about thing I do not know of. :mad:
Quote from: Habsburg on November 21, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 21, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
People way overuse the cc feature in their email correspondence. It's obnoxious.
Or don't use it at all... :mad:...then I get quiries from other departments about thing I do not know of. :mad:
Yeah I'd say that more often than not on work e-mails of actually importance, people are left out that should be included. However, there is also the dick move of copying a person's boss on an e-mail, before even talking to the person in question, as if that will get them to work faster.
What I can't stand is the overall inherent passive-aggressiveness of corporate culture; it is simply mind-boggling. It's all smiles and knives. I don't get it.
What you do learn, however, when you don't play that game is that you amass level of distrust with everyone around you. Which is why you never put anything down in an email. Ever.
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Training my clients a week prior to a conversion & having them show no interest in the subject matter. Then hearing from my boss a few weeks after the conversion that they're claiming they weren't trained.
I'm going to start making them sign a form acknowledging that they were trained on each topic.
:lol: That used to happen *nonstop* at my last employer. Upper management understood, though, and didn't hold it against the training dudes.
Asking for detailed bids implying you'll get million-euro sized projects only to hand them over to someone else.
Trying to fuck us over specifications.
Telling us everything is ready for us and finding out the facility is not even hooked up to the grid and our guy can do nothing but stand there for a week.
Implying that my algorithms are shoddy work to the owners, yet time and time again carefully avoiding to provide your own, apparently superior alternatives. Yes I'm talking about you Mr. Smarty-pants University Professor.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2011, 06:55:01 AM
What I can't stand is the overall inherent passive-aggressiveness of corporate culture; it is simply mind-boggling. It's all smiles and knives. I don't get it.
Amen.
Recent example from colleagues: "Sure, we can handle the workload."
Behind our backs: "Lazy fucks won't help us and we'll be lucky if we finish on time."
On second thought, it's the general inability of many people to say no when they can't deliver on a request.
Dealing with offshore development teams when I am managing the development work, but have no actual authority over the contributors.
This leads to things like "Hey, that batch of code we were going to developer to the customers testing group today? You know, the one I told you yesterday was done and would be ready this morning? Yeah, I didn't get that deployed because there was an error when I tried to ftp to the test server." sent to me the night before testing is to start, and after I've confirmed for the customer that we were all set and ready to go, and they can schedule their testing team tomorrow morning.
Quote from: Caliga on November 22, 2011, 07:54:49 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Training my clients a week prior to a conversion & having them show no interest in the subject matter. Then hearing from my boss a few weeks after the conversion that they're claiming they weren't trained.
I'm going to start making them sign a form acknowledging that they were trained on each topic.
:lol: That used to happen *nonstop* at my last employer. Upper management understood, though, and didn't hold it against the training dudes.
Most places that I've worked, even with internally conducted training, it's been necessary to get signed acknowledgement from people that they have in fact received the training, or they'll use the "I was never told about that" defense when they screw something up.
Quote from: CountDeMoneyQuote from: SytWhat I can't stand is the overall inherent passive-aggressiveness of corporate culture; it is simply mind-boggling. It's all smiles and knives. I don't get it.
Amen.
Recent example from colleagues: "Sure, we can handle the workload."
Behind our backs: "Lazy fucks won't help us and we'll be lucky if we finish on time."
On second thought, it's the general inability of many people to say no when they can't deliver on a request.
I think it's partly the result of the desire in corporate culture to put everything, no matter how bad it is, in positive terms. Maybe it goes back to a misunderstanding of what the old saying, "The customer is always right" actually means. The tendency to express everything in positive terms has a lot of downside, IMO. For example, in many companies, they don't ever see problems, they see opportunities. The downside of that is that if you don't acknowledge that you have a problem, you aren't going to take steps to fix it.
Dick moves in games generally involve making ill-informed decisions in the later stages of production, without any understanding (and blatant dismissal) of the consequences in terms of budget and time, followed by throwing temper tantrums about the budget and time consequences when they inevitably result. This is usually compounded by the fact that the ill-informed decisions are detrimental to the quality of the game, independent of budget and time concerns.
Yes, that's applicable to a lot of things.
Year 1:
MIM - This system is prone to instability, the software is pirated, we cannot support it and there are much better options available right now.
Business - *crickets*
Year 2:
MIM - We really need to get rid of this thing. It's getting terribly unstable and it's unlikely to last much longer. I'll tell you what. I'll go ahead and do some research on alternatives.
*crickets*
Year 3:
MIM - I've sourced a replacement and we're getting it ready. I'll just need some time to prepare the new system for rollout. I'd like some help with load testing.
*crickets*
Year 3.1:
MIM - Your old shitty system has bitten the dust. Enjoy your downtime. By the way, I've already got the replacement you've never heard of nearly ready to go. It just needs a couple weeks more preparation. About that testing...
Business - OMFGthisiscriticall we need it up tomorrow!!!11111
MIM - There may be nasty surprises if we don't do it properly...
Business - Don't care! Now now now!
Year 3.2:
Business - This new system is overloaded! Needs moar powarr!!!!111 This is emergency!!!1111
MIM - lol assholes
Quote from: Berkut on November 22, 2011, 08:55:33 AM
Dealing with offshore development teams when I am managing the development work, but have no actual authority over the contributors.
:lol: Welcome to my last job. That said, the offshore team was actually really good, except for the fact that they didn't really know how to write db-optimized code, which was a problem since we were not in a position to do performance testing, despite my repeated screaming that this was a serious flaw in our QA.
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
-lawyers who lie - about everything
I tought this was required...
Quote from: Caliga on November 22, 2011, 07:25:52 PM
:lol: Welcome to my last job. That said, the offshore team was actually really good, except for the fact that they didn't really know how to write db-optimized code
That's kind of like saying they are really good at building a car, but if you try to drive it over 50 mph it blows up.
Ooops. I clicked the wrong button.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2011, 06:55:01 AM
What I can't stand is the overall inherent passive-aggressiveness of corporate culture; it is simply mind-boggling. It's all smiles and knives. I don't get it.
I think you'd have to be a woman to understand it. Because I think that's where it originated.
Quote from: frunk on November 23, 2011, 03:31:17 PM
That's kind of like saying they are really good at building a car, but if you try to drive it over 50 mph it blows up.
We got by because after they delivered it, we tweaked it internally. Now why that was considered acceptable business practice, don't ask me.
Quote from: dps on November 22, 2011, 06:07:14 PM
I think it's partly the result of the desire in corporate culture to put everything, no matter how bad it is, in positive terms. Maybe it goes back to a misunderstanding of what the old saying, "The customer is always right" actually means. The tendency to express everything in positive terms has a lot of downside, IMO. For example, in many companies, they don't ever see problems, they see opportunities. The downside of that is that if you don't acknowledge that you have a problem, you aren't going to take steps to fix it.
I think it's simply a career-limiting move. Someone who says, "No, we can't do it in that time", may get fired and replaced with someone who says they can. Even if they can't. A good boss wouldn't do this to his employees, but not all bosses are good.
Quote from: derspiess on November 23, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 22, 2011, 06:55:01 AM
What I can't stand is the overall inherent passive-aggressiveness of corporate culture; it is simply mind-boggling. It's all smiles and knives. I don't get it.
I think you'd have to be a woman to understand it. Because I think that's where it originated.
:lol:
:huh:
Wait... are you suggesting that corporate culture was entirely different before women became involved?
It's not just a suggestion, it's the truth.
No idea if it's changed the culture, but at least on my office all the stupid trivial drama comes from the fairer sex. Hell two male VP's seem to hate eachother but keep it cordial and work together if need be. There are stretches where some female employees (including a manager) won't talk to each other for the most stupid reasons.
Quote from: HVC on November 23, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
No idea if it's changed the culture, but at least on my office all the stupid trivial drama comes from the fairer sex. Hell two male VP's seem to hate eachother but keep it cordial and work together if need be. There are stretches where some female employees (including a manager) won't talk to each other for the most stupid reasons.
This is true; two guys in the office can call each other a fucking asshole and go to lunch together five minutes later. A woman perceives a slight, and she's trying to derail your career every way possible for the rest of your days.
Quote from: Jacob on November 23, 2011, 08:21:23 PM:lol:
:huh:
Wait... are you suggesting that corporate culture was entirely different before women became involved?
Has Mad Men taught you nothing?
The place I worked at wasn't corporate. It was a relatively small HQ office of around 70 staff. But it was overwhelmingly female, about 60-70% women. In my sexist experience men are generally incredibly resistant to change and love bitching. The women were generally more supportive of changing things - because they were more interested in the clients - and just got on with things rather than spending every meeting listing small potential flaws. Of course I generalise wildly.
Quote from: HVC on November 23, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
No idea if it's changed the culture, but at least on my office all the stupid trivial drama comes from the fairer sex. Hell two male VP's seem to hate eachother but keep it cordial and work together if need be. There are stretches where some female employees (including a manager) won't talk to each other for the most stupid reasons.
My colleague is often grumpy at me, because in our little team she's always the one to loudly complain about stuff to our manager and would like more support from me in that regard. Meanwhile, I think that presenting problems, issues and suggestions for solutions is a better tactic with our supervisor (he in fact called her hysterical once) - we agree about many things, but not here.
Ironically, she's running a small project with a rather young & hyperactive colleague. She said to me yesterday, that this colleague is way too emotional and hectic about things, and that she's taken the approach of not getting worked up over it and let her rant as much as she likes and doing her part quietly.
I thought of asking her if that sounded familiar to her, but then decided not to bother. :lol:
Quote from: Berkut on November 22, 2011, 08:55:33 AM
Dealing with offshore development teams when I am managing the development work, but have no actual authority over the contributors.
oooh, the equivalent of that in my work has been a constant for the last two roles I have had. Fun times. NOT.
Quote from: HVC on November 23, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
No idea if it's changed the culture, but at least on my office all the stupid trivial drama comes from the fairer sex. Hell two male VP's seem to hate eachother but keep it cordial and work together if need be. There are stretches where some female employees (including a manager) won't talk to each other for the most stupid reasons.
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
Since Marty also mentioned dick moves that we might use.
In our company, email flooding is endemic. However, you can use it to your advantage: a lot of people have stopped reading emails in which they're not directly addressed but only cc'ed.
Whenever I must involve someone but don't want them to get involved/meddle, I cc them. In the unlikely event that they complain about not being involved I can calmly re-send my mail and point out that I had cc'ed in case they wanted to add something.
The website I edit and write for is subscription-only for defence contractors and ministries. The US Sales team has just pitched a massive deal with one of the top 5 contractors additionally offering my consultancy services over the telephone. Like I'm going to know more on any military subject than they do! :glare:
The whole relationship with Sales is one giant dick move. They get a basic salary more than mine plus a bonus I don't get based entirely on the quality of my work :glare:
They're probably spivs too :(
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 24, 2011, 04:31:59 AM
They're probably spivs too :(
It's part of the job description.
I don't know, when a faculty member writes in a book or something. Lieberryin' is about the least evil profession you can get into.
I'd love to regale Languish with more Tales from the Workplace(tm), but nothing ever happens here. The biggest drama happens when some dumbass Chinese exchange student tries to go out a fire exit and I have to punch in the alarm code. Or maybe when some negro comes in and tries to steal a laptop.
Quote from: HVC on November 23, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
No idea if it's changed the culture, but at least on my office all the stupid trivial drama comes from the fairer sex. Hell two male VP's seem to hate eachother but keep it cordial and work together if need be. There are stretches where some female employees (including a manager) won't talk to each other for the most stupid reasons.
My impression of the female lawyers I deal with is that they are basically the same as the male lawyers.
My secretary (who is female) is of a very different opinion. She claims female lawyers are MUCH harder to work for or with.
Quote from: Fireblade on November 24, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
The biggest drama happens when some dumbass Chinese exchange student tries to go out a fire exit and I have to punch in the alarm code. Or maybe when some negro comes in and tries to steal a laptop.
:lol:Nice to know tales of academia are universal.
A few years ago we had video of a Chinese researcher trying to go out the fire exit; it had a 15 second delay for the door break release, so while the alarm was going off, the door wasn't opening fast enough so she starts kicking the glass.
I know red is the color of fortune and good luck with the godless yellow heathens, but when we paint our shit red, it means emergency over here. Fucking bucketheads.
Quote from: Fireblade on November 24, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
I don't know, when a faculty member writes in a book or something. Lieberryin' is about the least evil profession you can get into.
I'd love to regale Languish with more Tales from the Workplace(tm), but nothing ever happens here. The biggest drama happens when some dumbass Chinese exchange student tries to go out a fire exit and I have to punch in the alarm code. Or maybe when some negro comes in and tries to steal a laptop.
You work in a university library?
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
Tears are less unproductive than emo-rage hissyfits.
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
I work with a lot of chicks who do that and freely admit it. I don't personally care, as long as she's hot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2011, 09:17:06 AM
Quote from: Fireblade on November 24, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
The biggest drama happens when some dumbass Chinese exchange student tries to go out a fire exit and I have to punch in the alarm code. Or maybe when some negro comes in and tries to steal a laptop.
:lol:Nice to know tales of academia are universal.
A few years ago we had video of a Chinese researcher trying to go out the fire exit; it had a 15 second delay for the door break release, so while the alarm was going off, the door wasn't opening fast enough so she starts kicking the glass.
I know red is the color of fortune and good luck with the godless yellow heathens, but when we paint our shit red, it means emergency over here. Fucking bucketheads.
Hmm, a fire escape door that doesn't open quickly. What could go wrong with that? :hmm:
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 23, 2011, 08:38:04 PM
It's not just a suggestion, it's the truth.
Dude, you work in games. Are you saying that the guys don't generate drama or do the whole politicking-with-a-smile-while-stabbing-you-in-the-back thing?
I thought Brown Wolf worked for Bombardier.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 24, 2011, 11:52:37 AM
I thought Brown Wolf worked for Bombardier.
Oh... well then, never mind.
You are both wrong & both right.
It went : Bombardier - Games - Current Job(for 3.5 years now).
I feel like guys generate way less drama if there is no women around to teach them how to do it.
The craziest drama I've witnessed has involved dudes. Heavy cocaine use does not really help most management decisions it appears.
Occasionally there may have been women involved, but that was primarily as targets of sexual harassment.
Anyhow GF, good for you for getting out of games. What industry are you in now?
He's working HR with Boner.
Quote from: Jacob on November 24, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
Anyhow GF, good for you for getting out of games. What industry are you in now?
http://www.teledynedalsa.com/mv.aspx/
Machine Vision
@Yi, I'm sure there's joke in that. :lol: :lol:
The biggest dick move in my work happens almost daily as more movies are just never returned, due to a plethora of "reasons" I'm sure, none of which are good enough. Especially heinous are those who fail to return a TV on dvd disc.
I love telling people "sorry we don't have that disc with the end to the clffhanger, because some douchebag was too lazy to walk 3 blocks to return that disc he rented a month ago.... We have the whole season on back order though..."
:angry:
People still rent DVDs? :huh:
Quote from: Tamas on November 24, 2011, 02:01:39 PM
People still rent DVDs? :huh:
Yeah, from Netflix and Redbox.
Quote from: DGuller on November 24, 2011, 11:20:36 AM
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Quote from: Fireblade on November 24, 2011, 08:31:44 AM
The biggest drama happens when some dumbass Chinese exchange student tries to go out a fire exit and I have to punch in the alarm code. Or maybe when some negro comes in and tries to steal a laptop.
:lol:Nice to know tales of academia are universal.
A few years ago we had video of a Chinese researcher trying to go out the fire exit; it had a 15 second delay for the door break release, so while the alarm was going off, the door wasn't opening fast enough so she starts kicking the glass.
I know red is the color of fortune and good luck with the godless yellow heathens, but when we paint our shit red, it means emergency over here. Fucking bucketheads.
Hmm, a fire escape door that doesn't open quickly. What could go wrong with that? :hmm:
It's to prevent bullshit things like that. All fire doors have releases that drop immediately upon activation of the fire alarm system. People who attempt to go through fire exits when there's no fire are usually trying to get out with someone else's laptop.
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
I work with a lot of chicks who do that and freely admit it. I don't personally care, as long as she's hot.
I've heard of dudes breaking down in tears at BigLaw firms.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 24, 2011, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
I work with a lot of chicks who do that and freely admit it. I don't personally care, as long as she's hot.
I've heard of dudes breaking down in tears at BigLaw firms.
BigLaw sucks.
Don't let Malthus, Gupta or Minsky tell you otherwise.
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 24, 2011, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
I work with a lot of chicks who do that and freely admit it. I don't personally care, as long as she's hot.
I've heard of dudes breaking down in tears at BigLaw firms.
BigLaw sucks.
Don't let Malthus, Gupta or Minsky tell you otherwise.
No shit. My brother-in-law got out of Piper when he could. It's a fucking meat grinder. 2,400+ billable hours a year "encouraged". That's bullshit.
His buddies left behind cry regularly.
Yeah, I never wanted a job like that.
Worked out!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2011, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 24, 2011, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 24, 2011, 11:13:52 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 24, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
Speaking of which, a chick (I guess a guy too, but never seen that) who cries in a stressful situation at work should be fired on the spot.
I work with a lot of chicks who do that and freely admit it. I don't personally care, as long as she's hot.
I've heard of dudes breaking down in tears at BigLaw firms.
BigLaw sucks.
Don't let Malthus, Gupta or Minsky tell you otherwise.
No shit. My brother-in-law got out of Piper when he could. It's a fucking meat grinder. 2,400+ billable hours a year "encouraged". That's bullshit.
His buddies left behind cry regularly.
I don't want to pretend I'm some great lifestyle guru. I was fired (only time that has ever happened in my life), not that I quit.
But still, I remember coming home at 8, 9pm, having no life other than the office. Government work is sooooooo much better than that.
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
But still, I remember coming home at 8, 9pm, having no life other than the office. Government work is sooooooo much better than that.
That's the route he went. He did it for a time, and I remember my sister taking him his dinner at 9pm, but when his first daughter was born, he didn't want to turn around one day to see her turning 7.
His friends from BigLaw want to get out, but even after 3 or 5 years, they get trapped by the salary, and when their young wives want them out for the inevitable child-rearing, they're already buried under the McMansion mortage, the BMW payments.
You simply can't go from $150K to $55K without having your shit straight. And you turn around one day and see your kid turning 7.
That's beautiful Mr. Croce. :weep:
:P WHAT THE FUCK IS THE CAT DOING WITH THE FUCKING SPOON
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2011, 11:11:50 PM
That's the route he went. He did it for a time, and I remember my sister taking him his dinner at 9pm, but when his first daughter was born, he didn't want to turn around one day to see her turning 7.
His friends from BigLaw want to get out, but even after 3 or 5 years, they get trapped by the salary, and when their young wives want them out for the inevitable child-rearing, they're already buried under the McMansion mortage, the BMW payments.
You simply can't go from $150K to $55K without having your shit straight. And you turn around one day and see your kid turning 7.
Yup - that is the trap.
Mind you these days with government - I leave work at 3:30, so I can pick up my son at 4:30 from the dayhome. :)
Nevertheless, if scoring good coke and a never-ending littany of hottie bimbettes is your kind of lifestyle, BigLaw's where it's at.
Martinus, I got my dick move for you!
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
But still, I remember coming home at 8, 9pm, having no life other than the office. Government work is sooooooo much better than that.
A girl I live with is a trainee. She's normally back by about 7-ish and does keep her weekends. But lately she's not been back before midnight and recently was in the office until 0650, then back in at 1230 :blink: :bleeding:
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 25, 2011, 01:53:46 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 24, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
But still, I remember coming home at 8, 9pm, having no life other than the office. Government work is sooooooo much better than that.
A girl I live with is a trainee. She's normally back by about 7-ish and does keep her weekends. But lately she's not been back before midnight and recently was in the office until 0650, then back in at 1230 :blink: :bleeding:
:perv: ?
I'm in the silly situation that my boss wants me not to do too many hours of overtime, while I'm also supposed to get my job done which he acknowledges is too much for a 40h workweek.
His standard reply, "If we don't get extra resources then we have to let the process crash and prioritize as best we can."
Of course it's easy for him to say, because he doesn't get the complaints via email and phone.
Quote from: Syt on November 25, 2011, 02:45:55 AM
I'm in the silly situation that my boss wants me not to do too many hours of overtime, while I'm also supposed to get my job done which he acknowledges is too much for a 40h workweek.
His standard reply, "If we don't get extra resources then we have to let the process crash and prioritize as best we can."
Of course it's easy for him to say, because he doesn't get the complaints via email and phone.
Does he have the ability to hire someone to help you, or is he in as bad a situation as you?
Quote from: Brazen on November 24, 2011, 04:28:18 AM
The website I edit and write for is subscription-only for defence contractors and ministries. The US Sales team has just pitched a massive deal with one of the top 5 contractors additionally offering my consultancy services over the telephone. Like I'm going to know more on any military subject than they do! :glare:
The whole relationship with Sales is one giant dick move. They get a basic salary more than mine plus a bonus I don't get based entirely on the quality of my work :glare:
Now you know the problems of capitalism. :p :commie:
Quote from: sbr on November 25, 2011, 02:54:54 AMDoes he have the ability to hire someone to help you, or is he in as bad a situation as you?
No, that decision rests with our VP (who is in favor) and the Senior VP in UK (who still has to replace two people on our other team in UK).
For comparison: The U.S. have 18 people on their team in San Diego and seek to expand. In all of Europe, with similar amount of projects/sites, and a lot more local complexities (basically, every country is different and a lot less homogenous than U.S.), we are currently 4.
Our publisher has announced there are to be no pay rises again this year. Bearing in mind we already work for a pittance, this pretty much ensures they will lose anyone good or experienced to another title.
We've considered going on strike as the journalists form one of the big news-wires have threatened after they were offered a "mere" 1.5% rise. But then who would that inconvenience?
Sadly, in journalism, there are too many people prepared to do it for love rather than a living.
The sex industry has the same problem. NB I DO NOT CONSIDER JOURNALISTS TO BE SIMPLE WHORES
Quote from: Brazen on November 25, 2011, 05:51:11 AM
Our publisher has announced there are to be no pay rises again this year. Bearing in mind we already work for a pittance, this pretty much ensures they will lose anyone good or experienced to another title.
We've considered going on strike as the journalists form one of the big news-wires have threatened after they were offered a "mere" 1.5% rise. But then who would that inconvenience?
Sadly, in journalism, there are too many people prepared to do it for love rather than a living.
Where can I forward my resume and writing samples?
Quote from: The Brain on November 25, 2011, 06:15:36 AM
The sex industry has the same problem. NB I DO NOT CONSIDER JOURNALISTS TO BE SIMPLE WHORES
Yeah, I have a lot more respect for sex workers than for journalists, too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2011, 11:17:26 PM
Nevertheless, if scoring good coke and a never-ending littany of hottie bimbettes is your kind of lifestyle, BigLaw's where it's at.
Somehow, I missed out on that. :(
Mind you, my job is to deal with the somewhat impenitrable bureaucracy created by government - nothing really sexy in that.
I spent the last two weeks putting together a drug pricing proposal for the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board. If they have bureaucracy in hell, it surely resembles this. The "guidelines" are an incomprehensible (to outsiders) mass of jargon ... I love stuff like this, pages and pages of it:
QuoteModerate Improvement
C.11.5 The introductory price(s) of a new drug product providing moderate improvement will be presumed to be excessive if the National Average Transaction Price or any Market-Specific Average Transaction Price exceeds the Maximum Average Potential Price at introduction as determined by the higher of:
a.The mid-point between the price obtained in paragraph
b.below and the median international price determined by the Median International Price Comparison test (see Schedule 5), and (b) The highest non-excessive price of the drug products identified pursuant to section C.8.7 based on a TCC test (see Schedule 3).
5$/pill sounds fair to me.
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 09:43:52 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2011, 11:17:26 PM
Nevertheless, if scoring good coke and a never-ending littany of hottie bimbettes is your kind of lifestyle, BigLaw's where it's at.
Somehow, I missed out on that. :(
But you have remarked on a few occasions that you are the exception in your firm by still being married to your first wife. :contract:
The option to go get a young trophy wife bimbette is certainly there if you wanted to pursue it.
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2011, 09:50:21 AM
But you have remarked on a few occasions that you are the exception in your firm by still being married to your first wife. :contract:
The option to go get a young trophy wife bimbette is certainly there if you wanted to pursue it.
Heh, I would not know how, even if I wanted to. The lifestyle of office-sleep-office allows little time for bimbette-cultivation ... though I suppose there is always the Internet! :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2011, 09:50:21 AM
But you have remarked on a few occasions that you are the exception in your firm by still being married to your first wife. :contract:
The option to go get a young trophy wife bimbette is certainly there if you wanted to pursue it.
Heh, I would not know how, even if I wanted to. The lifestyle of office-sleep-office allows little time for bimbette-cultivation ... though I suppose there is always the Internet! :lol:
that's where the coke comes you. that you you get to cut out the sleep part :P
Quote from: HVC on November 25, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
that's where the coke comes you. that you you get to cut out the sleep part :P
Plus, chicks dig a raging, paranoid, delusional asshole.
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 25, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
that's where the coke comes you. that you you get to cut out the sleep part :P
Plus, chicks dig a raging, paranoid, delusional asshole.
The bimbette wanne-be trophy wives certainly do. :yes:
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 09:43:52 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 24, 2011, 11:17:26 PM
Nevertheless, if scoring good coke and a never-ending littany of hottie bimbettes is your kind of lifestyle, BigLaw's where it's at.
Somehow, I missed out on that. :(
Mind you, my job is to deal with the somewhat impenitrable bureaucracy created by government - nothing really sexy in that.
I spent the last two weeks putting together a drug pricing proposal for the Patented Medicine Prices Review Board. If they have bureaucracy in hell, it surely resembles this. The "guidelines" are an incomprehensible (to outsiders) mass of jargon ... I love stuff like this, pages and pages of it:
QuoteModerate Improvement
C.11.5 The introductory price(s) of a new drug product providing moderate improvement will be presumed to be excessive if the National Average Transaction Price or any Market-Specific Average Transaction Price exceeds the Maximum Average Potential Price at introduction as determined by the higher of:
a.The mid-point between the price obtained in paragraph
b.below and the median international price determined by the Median International Price Comparison test (see Schedule 5), and (b) The highest non-excessive price of the drug products identified pursuant to section C.8.7 based on a TCC test (see Schedule 3).
Seems straightforward enough.
Quote from: Barrister on November 25, 2011, 10:14:50 AM
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 25, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
that's where the coke comes you. that you you get to cut out the sleep part :P
Plus, chicks dig a raging, paranoid, delusional asshole.
The bimbette wanne-be trophy wives certainly do. :yes:
The funny part is the only real cokehead bimbette-chasers I know about for sure in real life are either trustifarians or solid blue collar union men - like my worthless brother in law, who makes sufficient salary working overtime as a skilled mechanic in a factory (meaning he mostly sits around waiting for something to break) to afford a hefty coke habit.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 25, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
Seems straightforward enough.
:lol:
I'l love to give you a mass of drug data and the Guidelines, and see what you came up with.
The problem, as you would quickly see, is that each test refers to other tests, which refer to still others ... and applying 'em to drugs (no two of which have exactly the same dosage forms or dosing regimes) is not easy.
How, for example, is someone supposed to compare the price of a pediatric drug that has an initial dose of certain amount of mg/kg body weight, is titrated upwards to the final dose, with a possible maximum of 60 mg, with another where the usual dose is 30 mg but at the physician's election may be dosed as low as 20 or as high as 50? And how about where the comparative dosage strengths are not the same, and the price of the comparator does not scale linearly as a function of price per mg?
It can be done, and we have done it, but it is hardly straightforward.
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 25, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
that's where the coke comes you. that you you get to cut out the sleep part :P
Plus, chicks dig a raging, paranoid, delusional asshole.
Sarcasm :unsure: Becasue i actually know a few that do :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on November 25, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 25, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
Seems straightforward enough.
:lol:
I'l love to give you a mass of drug data and the Guidelines, and see what you came up with.
A solution to all your healthcare woes. OK, probably not, but after a brief skim of the Guidelines, it doesn't seem like rocket science. (This does not necessarily mean I'm correct about any of the following, because odds are I am not because I am not steeped in this.)
QuoteHow, for example, is someone supposed to compare the price of a pediatric drug that has an initial dose of certain amount of mg/kg body weight, is titrated upwards to the final dose, with a possible maximum of 60 mg, with another where the usual dose is 30 mg but at the physician's election may be dosed as low as 20 or as high as 50?
Price per course of treatment (acute condition) or price per day (chronic condition) per C.8.15, no? For the stepped dose, if this is a chronic condition, I would guess that you average out the cost per day, or, if this is a drug regimen that will last till the end of the patient's days/till adulthood/till puberty/till whatever time, maybe disregard the initial low doses entirely as de minimis and unrepresentative. As for the varied dose:
QuoteC.8.14 The comparable dosage regimen recommended for comparison purposes will normally not be higher than the maximum of the usual recommended dosage in the Product Monograph (or similar information) taking into account relevant clinical variables. The most appropriate strength of the drug product will be chosen for a particular dosage regimen.
Under this guideline, I think that means that 30mg would be used for comparison purposes, as that would be the "usual recommended dosage" as well as "the most appropriate strength," unless it is unreasonable to use it as such.
QuoteAnd how about where the comparative dosage strengths are not the same, and the price of the comparator does not scale linearly as a function of price per mg?
Irrelevant under a price per day/CoT analysis, right? It's either more expensive on that basis, or it isn't, at the dose (or range of doses) chosen to compare.
P.S. WTF is a "vaginal cone"?
Another dick move as played today: people scheduling vitally important conference calls for late Friday afternoon ("because during the week I'm too busy") when you originally planned to start the weekend at 2 pm.
<_<
Quote from: Ideologue on November 25, 2011, 11:40:10 AM
P.S. WTF is a "vaginal cone"?
It's like one of those cones you put around a dog's neck so it doesn't bite at stitches or a cast. You put one on a woman's vagina so her pussy doesn't turn around and eat her.
Or so I've heard...