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Title: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: jimmy olsen on October 08, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
Monstrous!  :mad:

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-advocates-furious-after-topeka-county-da-refuse-to-prosecute-domestic-violence-cases-20110929,0,335903.story
QuoteTOPEKA, Kan.—
Domestic abuse advocates in Topeka are outraged after the Shawnee County District Attorney's Office said that they will no longer be prosecuting domestic violence cases, and now the city of Topeka is talking about repealing its anti-domestic violence law.

Shawnee County prosecutors, dealing with a 10 percent budget cut, told city officials that they will no longer prosecute misdemeanor cases, including domestic violence. The move has left domestic violence victim's advocate Claudine Dombrowski furious, saying that the move leaves victim caught in the middle.

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"It's appalling, it's disgusting," said Dombrowski. "A week after this started there were over 30 cases that had been dismissed because the county dropped it on the city, and the city says we can't do it."

Dombrowski says that she was the victim in a "misdemeanor" domestic abuse case 16 years ago - a crowbar strike to the head left her with 24 stitches and two broken wrists. Now, she worries that nothing is being done to protect victims.

"They need to invest in headstones, because these women are going to end up in cemeteries," said Dombrowski.

In an apparent attempt to force the county to prosecute the misdemeanor cases, the city wants to repeal its domestic violence ordinance. The city council will vote on the issue next Tuesday.

"The city of Topeka just said domestic violence is legal and you can beat your wife," said Dombrowski.

Neither the Topeka interim city manager nor the Shawnee County district attorney would talk to FOX 4 about the conflict. The interim city manager had agreed to talk, but then backed out after learning that FOX 4 was talking to Dombrowski.

"No matter how political you want to be, or you want to play hardball with peoples lives, how can you in good conscious say it's okay to repeal domestic battery as a crime in the city of Topeka just so you can get out of prosecuting them," said Dombrowski. "I'm terrified for these women."
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: 11B4V on October 08, 2011, 10:15:04 AM
They will change their minds quickly and in short order Tim. No worries.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Quote"The city of Topeka just said domestic violence is legal and you can beat your wife," said Dombrowski.

No they didn't.  Unless they've lifted assault and battery laws as well, which means Topeka ho!
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Quote"The city of Topeka just said domestic violence is legal and you can beat your wife," said Dombrowski.
No they didn't.  Unless they've lifted assault and battery laws as well, which means Topeka ho!
To be fair, she's a women's rights type.  She's sort of an idiot.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Quote"The city of Topeka just said domestic violence is legal and you can beat your wife," said Dombrowski.

No they didn't.  Unless they've lifted assault and battery laws as well, which means Topeka ho!

Weren't such laws enacted though because of the tendency of police not to make arrests in such cases?

http://www.policefoundation.org/pdf/minneapolisdve.pdf
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Quote"The city of Topeka just said domestic violence is legal and you can beat your wife," said Dombrowski.

No they didn't.  Unless they've lifted assault and battery laws as well, which means Topeka ho!

Weren't such laws enacted though because of the tendency of police not to make arrests in such cases?

http://www.policefoundation.org/pdf/minneapolisdve.pdf

Yeah, in part.  Although the prosecution of CDVs strikes me as more of a societal sea change the mechanical application of black letter law.  And in any event, it's a far cry from decriminalizing it, unless, again, they also attached an amendment to their A + B statute.

You know what else is weird?  I can't speak for Kansas, but I know in SC, the CDV laws were enacted at a state level, not as local laws.  Oh, wait, I looked it up!  Kansas, shock of shocks, did too.  So unless the Kansas state legislature repealed Sec. 21-3412a (I don't know how to cite Kansas code), CDV is still pretty illegal.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 12:13:10 PM
That's nothing.  Missouri made rape legal for a while, till someone noticed the screw up.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
The prosecutor isn't saying what's legal or what isn't.  He doesn't have the authority to make that determination.  He's a mere lawyer, and as such is pure evil.

What he's saying is that he isn't going to prosecute certain things, which is probably misconduct of some sort.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Brazen on October 08, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
They have anti-abortion Bible quotes lined up in fields along the road. Just sayin'
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 01:12:10 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
It's still better than Warsaw.  You're not even a person.

But yes, there are shittier.  Ohio.  Alabama.  Massachusetts.  New Hampshire.  Illionois.  Michigan is roughly equal in shittiness.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: Brazen on October 08, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
They have anti-abortion Bible quotes lined up in fields along the road. Just sayin'
Crazy Christian lunatics still make better neighbours than most Americans though.  Just imagine what it would be like to live near some criminal blacks or Mexicans.   Imagine if Siegebreaker were stalking your streets, looking for young girls to abuse.  Imagine if CdM was your neighbour, and he was always throwing unpunched wargames and punched prostitutes in your backyard.  Think about how you would feel to wake up every morning to the dulcet tones of Berkut screaming into a megaphone that you're a liar.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: Brazen on October 08, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
They have anti-abortion Bible quotes lined up in fields along the road. Just sayin'
Crazy Christian lunatics still make better neighbours than most Americans though.  Just imagine what it would be like to live near some criminal blacks or Mexicans.   Imagine if Siegebreaker were stalking your streets, looking for young girls to abuse.  Imagine if CdM was your neighbour, and he was always throwing unpunched wargames and punched prostitutes in your backyard.  Think about how you would feel to wake up every morning to the dulcet tones of Berkut screaming into a megaphone that you're a liar.
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on October 08, 2011, 01:37:14 PM
Seeds is already packed and on his way.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 02:14:18 PM
I want a megaphone too.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: dps on October 08, 2011, 02:21:36 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Quote"The city of Topeka just said domestic violence is legal and you can beat your wife," said Dombrowski.

No they didn't.  Unless they've lifted assault and battery laws as well, which means Topeka ho!

Weren't such laws enacted though because of the tendency of police not to make arrests in such cases?

http://www.policefoundation.org/pdf/minneapolisdve.pdf

Yeah, in part.  Although the prosecution of CDVs strikes me as more of a societal sea change the mechanical application of black letter law.  And in any event, it's a far cry from decriminalizing it, unless, again, they also attached an amendment to their A + B statute.

You know what else is weird?  I can't speak for Kansas, but I know in SC, the CDV laws were enacted at a state level, not as local laws.  Oh, wait, I looked it up!  Kansas, shock of shocks, did too.  So unless the Kansas state legislature repealed Sec. 21-3412a (I don't know how to cite Kansas code), CDV is still pretty illegal.

If Kansas is like most states, the prosecutors who normally prosecute violations of state laws are selected at the county level.  I don't think it's particularly uncommon that they won't bother prosecuting certain misdemeanors (unless they are attached to a felony case), leaving enforcement of those laws to local municipalities.  If that's the case in Kansas as well, the only unusual things here is the prosecutor declining to prosecute all misdemeanors, and for some reason the local municipality is trying to force him to prosecute at least some misdemeanors.  Whether Topeka is just grandstanding or there's something else behind their stance, I can't tell.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?

Missouri.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: Brazen on October 08, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
They have anti-abortion Bible quotes lined up in fields along the road. Just sayin'
Crazy Christian lunatics still make better neighbours than most Americans though.  Just imagine what it would be like to live near some criminal blacks or Mexicans.   Imagine if Siegebreaker were stalking your streets, looking for young girls to abuse.  Imagine if CdM was your neighbour, and he was always throwing unpunched wargames and punched prostitutes in your backyard.  Think about how you would feel to wake up every morning to the dulcet tones of Berkut screaming into a megaphone that you're a liar.

I think that just indicates it would be bad to live next door to Languish.  Imagine a cul-de-sac where all the members of Languish lived.  Then one normal family lived there.  It's be like a living hell for that guy.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 08, 2011, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 03:10:56 PM
I think that just indicates it would be bad to live next door to Languish.  Imagine a cul-de-sac where all the members of Languish lived.  Then one normal family lived there.  It's be like a living hell for that guy.

I don't have anything to do with my neighbors.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 08, 2011, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 03:10:56 PM
I think that just indicates it would be bad to live next door to Languish.  Imagine a cul-de-sac where all the members of Languish lived.  Then one normal family lived there.  It's be like a living hell for that guy.

I don't have anything to do with my neighbors.

Neighter do I, but would what would a normal person think of living next to Slargos?

"the neighbors are having a barbecue.  There's  two guys  in yarmulkes out there chatting amiably with a guy in Klansman outfit who responds only with 'Bork!'". 
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?

It's not even close.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
It's not even close.
Where does Oregon rank?  I always thought it would be nice, as a relatively northern state (fewer blacks and Mexicans), with a lower population and lots of greenery.  Sort of like a politically backwards Canada.  Oregon and Washington (with the exception of hipster faggot Seattle and fuck-ugly Spokane) seem like they'd be decent places.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: jimmy olsen on October 08, 2011, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Brazen on October 08, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
They have anti-abortion Bible quotes lined up in fields along the road. Just sayin'
You can see that in any southern state.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 03:52:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 03:45:02 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 03:32:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2011, 01:08:32 PM
Is Kansas the most shithole state of the US or are there worse?
It's not even close.
Where does Oregon rank?  I always thought it would be nice, as a relatively northern state (fewer blacks and Mexicans), with a lower population and lots of greenery.  Sort of like a politically backwards Canada.  Oregon and Washington (with the exception of hipster faggot Seattle and fuck-ugly Spokane) seem like they'd be decent places.

There's some truth to that, but OR and WA are *very* divided between urban and rural.  Most people think of the NW as the urban setting with a pristine rural playground, which is true enough in isolation, but false when added together. 
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Oregon is the only state I will move to if I will leave New Jersey for some reason in the future (unless I learn to pump gas by then, in which case any other state would do).
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 04:06:19 PM
Well, it would have been a nice place if it weren't overrun by borscht-swilling, moose-and-squirrel-chasing, Obama-loving insurance workers.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 04:17:48 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Oregon is the only state I will move to if I will leave New Jersey for some reason in the future (unless I learn to pump gas by then, in which case any other state would do).

I really don't understand how they let you drive a car.  It's like all your knowledge of automobiles is purely theoretical.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Oregon is the only state I will move to if I will leave New Jersey for some reason in the future (unless I learn to pump gas by then, in which case any other state would do).

OR and NJ are full service states.  Oregonians aren't allowed to touch the pumps.   :lol:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Neil on October 08, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
How can you not know how to pump gas?  I always thought that Dorsey was a smart guy who sometimes took silly positions, but I guess he's actually a completely useless imbecile.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Oregon is the only state I will move to if I will leave New Jersey for some reason in the future (unless I learn to pump gas by then, in which case any other state would do).

OR and NJ are full service states.  Oregonians aren't allowed to touch the pumps.   :lol:

The last full service station in town went out of business a few years back.  They also did shoddy auto-repair.  Only problem was they closed early and all got drunk after about 8 in the evening.  I bought a used car from them once.  It actually was pretty good car.  Unfortunately my tendency to run in to inanimate objects caught up with me.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
How can you not know how to pump gas?  I always thought that Dorsey was a smart guy who sometimes took silly positions, but I guess he's actually a completely useless imbecile.

I'm guessing because he comes from a country that had more tanks then cars.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 08, 2011, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Oregon is the only state I will move to if I will leave New Jersey for some reason in the future (unless I learn to pump gas by then, in which case any other state would do).

There's a service station about half a mile from where I live where they'll pump gas for you.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 04:31:19 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 08, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
How can you not know how to pump gas?  I always thought that Dorsey was a smart guy who sometimes took silly positions, but I guess he's actually a completely useless imbecile.

We learn when we roadtrip to other states.  My Mom had a fun run-in with an Egyptian at the Unocal 76 station in Placentia 20 years ago - asking HOW to use the pump somehow translated into "full service".   :lol:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 04:31:59 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 08, 2011, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:01:03 PM
Oregon is the only state I will move to if I will leave New Jersey for some reason in the future (unless I learn to pump gas by then, in which case any other state would do).

There's a service station about half a mile from where I live where they'll pump gas for you.

It's ALL fullservice - there is no option in Oregon.  Sorry for the confusion.  We CANNOT pump our own gas. 
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 08, 2011, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 04:31:59 PM
It's ALL fullservice - there is no option in Oregon.  Sorry for the confusion.  We CANNOT pump our own gas.

Well if Guller just drives around town he can frequent the same gas station and not worry about it.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 04:40:08 PM
<Cal> But, how do you eat at a full service station.  Do they just funnel food into your mouth while you sit in your car? <Cal>
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 04:44:15 PM
The first time I pumped gas (I was 16 I think) I had no idea what to do so I asked the attendent/cashier dude to show me how.  If your dad doesn't show you how you have to learn a different way.  The sequence of events is not 100% intuitive.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 04:44:15 PM
The first time I pumped gas (I was 16 I think) I had no idea what to do so I asked the attendent/cashier dude to show me how.  If your dad doesn't show you how you have to learn a different way.  The sequence of events is not 100% intuitive.
:yes: Again, it's one of those things that you can figure out if you have to, eventually, but if you haven't had any chance to practice, you're going to muck around for a bit.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 04:44:15 PM
The sequence of events is not 100% intuitive.

It is to anyone who has had sex with a woman.  You stick it in and pump.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
It is to anyone who has had sex with a woman.  You stick it in and pump.

No you don't.  You ask yourself which side the gas cap is on and drive that side up to the pump.  Then you select a payment method.  Then you select a grade.  Then you open the gas cap.  Then you stick it in and squeeze the trigger.  Then you wait for the shutoff to click or the screen to hit the amount you want to pay.  Then you replace the nozzle on the holster.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 04:44:15 PM
The sequence of events is not 100% intuitive.

It is to anyone who has had sex with a woman.  You stick it in and pump.

I don't know - unless your woman is a prostitute, I don't think most people have to insert their credit/debit card and push a selection of buttons before sex.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:23:56 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
No you don't.  You ask yourself which side the gas cap is on and drive that side up to the pump.

Depends on the gas station. I've seen a lot now where it doesn't matter as the hose is long enough. Anyway, couldn't that be the same as deciding the point of entry? :hmm:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PMThen you select a payment method.  Then you select a grade.

The machine has written instructions on this, so not difficult - but yeah like I said, not like having sex.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PMThen you open the gas cap. Then you stick it in and squeeze the trigger.  Then you wait for the shutoff to click or the screen to hit the amount you want to pay.  Then you replace the nozzle on the holster.

Could be analogous to removing clothing and the actual act? :D  Anyway, I think this last bit is where the difficulty comes in, you need to know how to open the door that hides the gas cap (I rented this Nissan once with the worst manual mechanism - took me a while before I could get it open :angry) and then actually trigger squeezing. You do it improperly and no gas comes out.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
It is to anyone who has had sex with a woman.  You stick it in and pump.

No you don't.  You ask yourself which side the gas cap is on and drive that side up to the pump.  Then you select a payment method.  Then you select a grade.  Then you open the gas cap.  Then you stick it in and squeeze the trigger.  Then you wait for the shutoff to click or the screen to hit the amount you want to pay.  Then you replace the nozzle on the holster.
All those parts I eventually figured out when I had to fill up once in New York.  The one part I didn't figure out was how to keep the trigger stuck, so as soon as I released it, it stopped flowing.  By that point I already got a gallon of gas in, which was enough to make it to New Jersey.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: dps on October 08, 2011, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:23:56 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
No you don't.  You ask yourself which side the gas cap is on and drive that side up to the pump.

Depends on the gas station. I've seen a lot now where it doesn't matter as the hose is long enough. Anyway, couldn't that be the same as deciding the point of entry? :hmm:

And if the hoses aren't long enough, you kind of have to drive the correct side up to the pump even if it's full service.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
All those parts I eventually figured out when I had to fill up once in New York.  The one part I didn't figure out was how to keep the trigger stuck, so as soon as I released it, it stopped flowing.  By that point I already got a gallon of gas in, which was enough to make it to New Jersey.

That's because you can't. Both Massachusetts and New York made it illegal to keep those lock mechanisms in place. You have to hold the trigger the whole time.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Iormlund on October 08, 2011, 05:32:11 PM
Now that you guys mention it, I've never pumped gas myself.

I only use the car for commuting or short work-related travels and there's a gas station right on my way home where they don't let you pump it yourself. I've never been interested in learning any maintenance stuff either.

It's funny because OTOH I know a lot more about how the engine, the ECU or the differential works than most people.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
All those parts I eventually figured out when I had to fill up once in New York.  The one part I didn't figure out was how to keep the trigger stuck, so as soon as I released it, it stopped flowing.  By that point I already got a gallon of gas in, which was enough to make it to New Jersey.

That's because you can't. Both Massachusetts and New York made it illegal to keep those lock mechanisms in place. You have to hold the trigger the whole time.
:hmm:  Good to know, thanks.  So, in any other state, is the trigger automatically sticking, or does it have some thingy to stick it?
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 08, 2011, 05:32:11 PM
Now that you guys mention it, I've never pumped gas myself.

I only use the car for commuting or short work-related travels and there's a gas station right on my way home where they don't let you pump it yourself. I've never been interested in learning any maintenance stuff either.

It's funny because OTOH I know a lot more about how the engine, the ECU or the differential works than most people.
:yes: Same with me, more or less.  Knowing how the car works, and how to do basic maintenance stuff, is like knowing how to program and how to assemble a computer.  Those two skills aren't really as related as one would think.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:34:54 PM
This staggering lack of basic, First World aptitude on the part of DG and garbon has cheered me up immensely.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:35:28 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
:hmm:  Good to know, thanks.  So, in any other state, is the trigger automatically sticking, or does it have some thingy to stick it?

There's a little locking mechanism that you need to drop down from the handle and lock on one of the trigger ratchets.

Don't worry about overflowing, it still kicks off when you're full.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 08, 2011, 05:32:11 PM
Now that you guys mention it, I've never pumped gas myself.

I only use the car for commuting or short work-related travels and there's a gas station right on my way home where they don't let you pump it yourself. I've never been interested in learning any maintenance stuff either.

It's funny because OTOH I know a lot more about how the engine, the ECU or the differential works than most people.
:yes: Same with me, more or less.  Knowing how the car works, and how to do basic maintenance stuff, is like knowing how to program and how to assemble a computer.  Those two skills aren't really as related as one would think.

I dunno.  I don't know how to program anything, but I do know how to plug my computer into the wall outlet.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: sbr on October 08, 2011, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:25:39 PM
All those parts I eventually figured out when I had to fill up once in New York.  The one part I didn't figure out was how to keep the trigger stuck, so as soon as I released it, it stopped flowing.  By that point I already got a gallon of gas in, which was enough to make it to New Jersey.

That's because you can't. Both Massachusetts and New York made it illegal to keep those lock mechanisms in place. You have to hold the trigger the whole time.
:hmm:  Good to know, thanks.  So, in any other state, is the trigger automatically sticking, or does it have some thingy to stick it?

There is usually a little catch at the back of the nozzle that grabs the trigger and holds it it.  I know that even though I live in one of the states where I can't pump my own gas.  :showoff:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
:hmm:  Good to know, thanks.  So, in any other state, is the trigger automatically sticking, or does it have some thingy to stick it?

No, there's always something you have to do. At some gas stations, there is a latch that you have to move, at others there is a little groove that you need align part of the trigger with, and then I remember seeing one other type once but I can't remember what it was.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:34:54 PM
This staggering lack of basic, First World aptitude on the part of DG and garbon has cheered me up immensely.

Me? :huh:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:34:54 PM
This staggering lack of basic, First World aptitude on the part of DG and garbon has cheered me up immensely.

Me? :huh:

You couldn't figure out how to open a gas cap.  (And I didn't want to single out Gull.) :hug:

Also, fahdiz might not be around, but fuck that guy and his filthy full-service state.  Might as well employ people to dig holes in the ground and another group to fill them back up again.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:40:02 PM
I remember grabon telling us he called AAA to change a flat once.

Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: PDH on October 08, 2011, 05:40:48 PM
Here in Wyoming we not only pump our own gas, we shoot people from New Jersey who pull up at the station.  Oregonians we don't shoot, because eastern part of the state is like Wyoming.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: jimmy olsen on October 08, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:34:54 PM
This staggering lack of basic, First World aptitude on the part of DG and garbon has cheered me up immensely.

Me? :huh:

You couldn't figure out how to open a gas cap.  (And I didn't want to single out Gull.) :hug:

Also, fahdiz might not be around, but fuck that guy and his filthy full-service state.  Might as well employ people to dig holes in the ground and another group to fill them back up again.
You're a marxist, don't you love programs like that?
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:41:10 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:34:54 PM
This staggering lack of basic, First World aptitude on the part of DG and garbon has cheered me up immensely.

Me? :huh:

You couldn't figure out how to open a gas cap.  (And I didn't want to single out Gull.) :hug:

I was being generous. The Nissan didn't have an internal mechanism to let the door open and while the door was supposedly touch sensitive - it was stuck. I spent a good 10 minutes pounding on the thing to finally get it to randomly spring open.

I don't think with the amount of driving that I've done - that I could fairly be said to not know how to pump gas. ;)
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:40:02 PM
I remember grabon telling us he called AAA to change a flat once.

I've had AAA put my baby tire on before. If I'm paying for a service, why would I want to get dirty (and more importantly in my opinion) run the risk of getting hit by a passerby on the side of the road? :huh:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: PDH on October 08, 2011, 05:43:21 PM
Garbon knew enough to pass by where I live at 80 mph, that shows driving sense.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:41:10 PM
I don't think with the amount of driving that I've done - that I could fairly be said to not know how to pump gas. ;)
Fairly?  No.  Since when was being fair a requirement here, though?  :huh:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:44:42 PM
Quote from: PDH on October 08, 2011, 05:43:21 PM
Garbon knew enough to pass by where I live at 80 mph, that shows driving sense.

:P
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:41:10 PM
I don't think with the amount of driving that I've done - that I could fairly be said to not know how to pump gas. ;)
Fairly?  No.  Since when was being fair a requirement here?  :huh:

Apparently, next time, I should just join to the circle to laugh at your inability to pump gas. My momentary kindness was a sign of weakness. -_-
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 08, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:38:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:34:54 PM
This staggering lack of basic, First World aptitude on the part of DG and garbon has cheered me up immensely.

Me? :huh:

You couldn't figure out how to open a gas cap.  (And I didn't want to single out Gull.) :hug:

Also, fahdiz might not be around, but fuck that guy and his filthy full-service state.  Might as well employ people to dig holes in the ground and another group to fill them back up again.
You're a marxist, don't you love programs like that?

I don't know.  What part of that sentence led you to believe I love programs like that?

Quote from: garbonI was being generous. The Nissan didn't have an internal mechanism to let the door open and while the door was supposedly touch sensitive - it was stuck. I spent a good 10 minutes pounding on the thing to finally get it to randomly spring open.

I don't think with the amount of driving that I've done - that I could fairly be said to not know how to pump gas. ;)

Ah.  If I understand what you mean, that sounds like a really bad design decision.

On my car, it has a trigger on the driver's door that you have to jam with an object unless you want to make pumping gas a two-person job.  That's also poor design, although less so.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
I've had AAA put my baby tire on before. If I'm paying for a service, why would I want to get dirty (and more importantly in my opinion) run the risk of getting hit by a passerby on the side of the road? :huh:

So you don't have to sit in your car looking like a tool for 45 minutes?

On the other hand, you're already out of the closet so the incentive structure was different for you than it is for Guller.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:47:00 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:41:10 PM
I don't think with the amount of driving that I've done - that I could fairly be said to not know how to pump gas. ;)
Fairly?  No.  Since when was being fair a requirement here?  :huh:

Apparently, next time, I should just join to the circle to laugh at your inability to pump gas. My momentary kindness was a sign of weakness. -_-

I'm glad I could be of service.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:48:39 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 05:46:18 PM
Ah.  If I understand what you mean, that sounds like a really bad design decision.

Precisely. Teach me to rent an economy car. :x
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:49:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
Apparently, next time, I should just join to the circle to laugh at your inability to pump gas. My momentary kindness was a sign of weakness. -_-
:hug:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
I've had AAA put my baby tire on before. If I'm paying for a service, why would I want to get dirty (and more importantly in my opinion) run the risk of getting hit by a passerby on the side of the road? :huh:

So you don't have to sit in your car looking like a tool for 45 minutes?

On the other hand, you're already out of the closet so the incentive structure was different for you than it is for Guller.
Harsh toke, man.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:46:32 PM
So you don't have to sit in your car looking like a tool for 45 minutes?

On the other hand, you're already out of the closet so the incentive structure was different for you than it is for Guller.

It's only happened to me twice. Once, when I was at home in SF (went down to car and one tire was completely flat). I called them up and waited till they showed up - which was like 10-15 minutes (for some reason they were always quick in that city). Other time was driving into Chicago and during traffic someone pointed out my tire was flat. Was too late in the day to get someone to take a look, so I pulled off at a gas station - pumped it full of air, so I could get to my destination and then had AAA take it to a shop the next day.

That said if it was on a highway, I'd probably still call them up as I'd prefer to look like a pussy to unknown passerbys and internet folk than end up injured by someone crashing into me.  I put it in the same vein as I could change my own oil, but why would I?
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:55:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:49:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:45:44 PM
Apparently, next time, I should just join to in the circle to and laugh at your inability to pump gas. My momentary kindness was a sign of weakness. -_-
:hug:

Small fixes :blush:
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:59:05 PM
I think it's a lunacy to change your tire by the side of the highway, unless you have a cop car with flashing lights behind you guarding you or something.  It's actually a pretty common way you get killed on a highway.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
It is to anyone who has had sex with a woman.  You stick it in and pump.

No you don't.  You ask yourself which side the gas cap is on and drive that side up to the pump.  Then you select a payment method.  Then you select a grade.  Then you open the gas cap.  Then you stick it in and squeeze the trigger.  Then you wait for the shutoff to click or the screen to hit the amount you want to pay.  Then you replace the nozzle on the holster.

Yeah, like a woman.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: ulmont on October 08, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
:hmm:  Good to know, thanks.  So, in any other state, is the trigger automatically sticking, or does it have some thingy to stick it?

No, there's always something you have to do. At some gas stations, there is a latch that you have to move, at others there is a little groove that you need align part of the trigger with, and then I remember seeing one other type once but I can't remember what it was.

There's also the type with no way to lock the pump on other than to put your gas cap to hold the trigger.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: AnchorClanker on October 08, 2011, 06:16:37 PM
Quote from: PDH on October 08, 2011, 05:40:48 PM
Here in Wyoming we not only pump our own gas, we shoot people from New Jersey who pull up at the station.  Oregonians we don't shoot, because eastern part of the state is like Wyoming.

:lol:  True enough.
Title: Re: Topeka Decriminalizes Domestic Violence
Post by: Ideologue on October 08, 2011, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: ulmont on October 08, 2011, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 08, 2011, 05:36:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 08, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
:hmm:  Good to know, thanks.  So, in any other state, is the trigger automatically sticking, or does it have some thingy to stick it?

No, there's always something you have to do. At some gas stations, there is a latch that you have to move, at others there is a little groove that you need align part of the trigger with, and then I remember seeing one other type once but I can't remember what it was.

There's also the type with no way to lock the pump on other than to put your gas cap to hold the trigger.

I don't like to use them myself because I don't buy much gas at a time, and it's fun to see if I can hit the numbers precisely.