I'm downloading it now. Recommend mods, settings, and styles of play that will entertain me. I've taken tomorrow off so as to play further.
:angry:
No.
:(
Please?
Cancel download.
The Maginot line, it really works!
I bought Portal 2.
I win :)
Its not our fault you bought it.
Quote from: sbr on October 05, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 05, 2011, 09:08:04 PM
I bought Portal 2.
I win :)
Me too, and at 50% off.
I got one gifted to me from a friend who won a free copy! :P
Don't be trolled, it's a decent game. Play it vanilla
He's the one who put an angry face icon on the thread.
I do recommend the "Civ4 Complete" mod. You have to buy it separately, but it's stand-alone so you can uninstall Civ5 once you get it.
:mad:
My laptop won't download Civ 4 properly so I have to switch cables and crap to my old computer to play it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 05, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
I'm downloading it now. Recommend mods, settings, and styles of play that will entertain me. I've taken tomorrow off so as to play further.
You've got backroom access, why isn't this thread there? Any thread about something this sad should be posted there with a "rocks" tag.
I thought the back room got deleted? :huh:
Quote from: dps on October 06, 2011, 04:23:41 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 05, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
I'm downloading it now. Recommend mods, settings, and styles of play that will entertain me. I've taken tomorrow off so as to play further.
You've got backroom access, why isn't this thread there? Any thread about something this sad should be posted there with a "rocks" tag.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_O8tt9Ir6VZE%2FSwfca3fT7UI%2FAAAAAAAAAMU%2FnSr50Angef4%2Fs1600%2FGroin.jpg&hash=2c1cc8e8445cb25d5a29f6224acbdd351680dbd3)
Civ 5 isn`t so bad. It is a fun game. It has its annoying weird points but it certainly eats a few days.
Mods I`ve no idea, have only played vanilla.
Quote from: DGuller on October 06, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: dps on October 06, 2011, 04:23:41 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 05, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
I'm downloading it now. Recommend mods, settings, and styles of play that will entertain me. I've taken tomorrow off so as to play further.
You've got backroom access, why isn't this thread there? Any thread about something this sad should be posted there with a "rocks" tag.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O8tt9Ir6VZE/Swfca3fT7UI/AAAAAAAAAMU/nSr50Angef4/s1600/Groin.jpg
I think I'd say the same of anyone who took a day off with the expressed goal of playing a video game.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 06, 2011, 04:49:46 PM
I thought the back room got deleted? :huh:
I wouldn't know; I lost access in the server brouhaha. :weep:
Quote from: garbon on October 06, 2011, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 06, 2011, 05:16:53 PM
Quote from: dps on October 06, 2011, 04:23:41 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 05, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
I'm downloading it now. Recommend mods, settings, and styles of play that will entertain me. I've taken tomorrow off so as to play further.
You've got backroom access, why isn't this thread there? Any thread about something this sad should be posted there with a "rocks" tag.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O8tt9Ir6VZE/Swfca3fT7UI/AAAAAAAAAMU/nSr50Angef4/s1600/Groin.jpg
I think I'd say the same of anyone who took a day off with the expressed goal of playing a video game.
I took the day off Just Because, not to play a video game. I had 180 hours of PTO and felt like burning a day's worth.
I played for about an hour, not a lot happened. I'm beginning to regret you people talking me into buying it.
:mad: I have 180 hours less than that left. :(
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 06, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
I'm beginning to regret you people talking me into buying it.
:lol:
my computer is too old for civ 5. I haven't played 4 in a few months. ah well.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 07, 2011, 12:58:29 PM
my computer is too old for civ 5. I haven't played 4 in a few months. ah well.
The good news this is not the reason to upgrade your computer
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 07, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 07, 2011, 12:58:29 PM
my computer is too old for civ 5. I haven't played 4 in a few months. ah well.
The good news this is not the reason to upgrade your computer
:contract:
To be fair, the game is significantly better than when it was released. But the AI is still horrendous, it's too easy to win on any difficulty and it just lacks a certain spark of fun.
I still maintain that MP might be salvageable.
I would say that the game, especially in its latest iteration, is still plenty playable, and as addictive as other Civ titles. It would be nice, though, if AI wasn't utterly incapable of figuring out the combat tactics.
The game is OK.
Not only have I not bought Civ V, I've uninstalled Civ IV and Civ III. Still play Civ II, though.
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 02:59:40 PM
Not only have I not bought Civ V, I've uninstalled Civ IV and Civ III. Still play Civ II, though.
Yikes. Do you play it on Commodore 64 as well?
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 07, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 07, 2011, 12:58:29 PM
my computer is too old for civ 5. I haven't played 4 in a few months. ah well.
The good news this is not the reason to upgrade your computer
yep... which is why I haven't. Occasionally fate has me coincidentally having a computer fast enough to run whatever's current game wise, but it's usually a brief window, just after I get a new system, as I only upgrade when the need gets dire. Current need: not at all. very happy with my 4 years ago system. (mac mini with a kick ass 27 inch monitor that has better resolution than my tv.)
Quote from: DGuller on October 07, 2011, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 02:59:40 PM
Not only have I not bought Civ V, I've uninstalled Civ IV and Civ III. Still play Civ II, though.
Yikes. Do you play it on Commodore 64 as well?
Civ 2 with borders added would be the best game ever made.
I'm not sure why anyone would think Civ 2 is better than 4.
Quote from: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 01:44:36 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 07, 2011, 03:06:03 PM
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 02:59:40 PM
Not only have I not bought Civ V, I've uninstalled Civ IV and Civ III. Still play Civ II, though.
Yikes. Do you play it on Commodore 64 as well?
Civ 2 with borders added would be the best game ever made.
I very much doubt it. One of my favorite strategies in Civ 2 was to send a stealth fighter on a one way mission to the enemy city, and keep killing the defenders inside until he had one move left. Hopefully I would take the city with other units later than turn, so that stealth fighter could land. These days, this strategy would be an obvious sign of a bad game design.
It was hilarious how you could sit bombers around cities that could only get attacked by fighters and then stick a tank under them to defend against the fighters.
I liked Civ 1 the best. :)
Civ 3 remains my favorite in the series.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 16, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
Civ 3 remains my favorite in the series.
:hug: Me too, though I always get ridiculed for saying that for some reason.
Quote from: sbr on October 16, 2011, 06:58:09 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 16, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
Civ 3 remains my favorite in the series.
:hug: Me too, though I always get ridiculed for saying that for some reason.
Quite rightly.
So is it good? I am considering downloading it too.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 16, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
Civ 3 remains my favorite in the series.
obvious troll is obvious
Civ 2 was amazing for its time but its clearly not the best in the modern day.
That would be....I don't know. 4?
Quote from: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 12:33:59 AM
So is it good? I am considering downloading it too.
yes it is. It is missing the "magic" of Civ IV for some reason, but with the now patched version it is a very streamlined and good game, with meaningful choices (unlike Civ4). The one unit stacking limit is also awesome, makes for panzer generalish wars, except that the AI is not good at it.
It's high time we MP this thing.
It is OK. I wound up going back to Fall From Heaven, but will spend more time on it maybe this week.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 16, 2011, 06:53:43 PM
I liked Civ 1 the best. :)
I spent more time with it than with any further. But back then there was just it, Warlords and Sensible Soccer for me. :)
Later there was too many games to spend that much time on a single title, except for early CMs
I spent more time as a kid building sand castles than I did as an adult going to a theatre. That does not mean the former is a superior form of entertainment to the latter.
That's why any statements like "I spent most time on Civ1 so it is the best" are retarded.
Quote from: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
I spent more time as a kid building sand castles than I did as an adult going to a theatre. That does not mean the former is a superior form of entertainment to the latter.
That's why any statements like "I spent most time on Civ1 so it is the best" are retarded.
How much time do you spend at the theater?
Quote from: Tyr on October 17, 2011, 04:13:02 AM
Civ 2 was amazing for its time but its clearly not the best in the modern day.
That would be....I don't know. 4?
Probably yeah. Still I think even that drunken fool of a military advisor gave better advice than the ones in 4. And the wonder movies were amazing. I can watch them out of pure enjoyment even today. Still I´d admit that the mechanics are dated but the game is still a fun play and has more dept than 5.
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Quote from: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
I spent more time as a kid building sand castles than I did as an adult going to a theatre. That does not mean the former is a superior form of entertainment to the latter.
What did you grow up on the beach or something? How much time could one possibly spend building sand castles?
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Which says nothing as that's the way of the world today.
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Which says nothing as that's the way of the world today.
Not really no.
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Which says nothing as that's the way of the world today.
Not really no.
But really yes.
Quote from: Tamas on October 17, 2011, 04:36:33 AM
It is missing the "magic" of Civ IV for some reason, but with the now patched version it is a very streamlined and good game, with meaningful choices (unlike Civ4).
Explain please
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 17, 2011, 04:13:02 AM
Civ 2 was amazing for its time but its clearly not the best in the modern day.
That would be....I don't know. 4?
Probably yeah. Still I think even that drunken fool of a military advisor gave better advice than the ones in 4. And the wonder movies were amazing. I can watch them out of pure enjoyment even today. Still I´d admit that the mechanics are dated but the game is still a fun play and has more dept than 5.
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Civ2 had at 2 expansions as well.
Although IIRC they mostly improved how mods and scenarios worked, rather than the core gameplay.
Quote from: Habbaku on October 17, 2011, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: Tamas on October 17, 2011, 02:07:51 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 16, 2011, 06:54:45 PM
Civ 3 remains my favorite in the series.
obvious troll is obvious
:zzz:
I rather liked Civ3 as well. Though it had some glaring flaws that kept it sub-par.
The diplomacy system being the most glaring.
Alpha Centauri's Wondr Movies were better.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 17, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
Alpha Centauri's Wondr Movies were better.
They are still the best. I think they were taken from some Indy film.
Quote from: Tamas on October 17, 2011, 04:36:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 12:33:59 AM
So is it good? I am considering downloading it too.
yes it is. It is missing the "magic" of Civ IV for some reason, but with the now patched version it is a very streamlined and good game, with meaningful choices (unlike Civ4). The one unit stacking limit is also awesome, makes for panzer generalish wars, except that the AI is not good at it.
It's high time we MP this thing.
Late game Civ 4 is a nightmare. Way too many units to manage. I gave up when I realised that I spent an hour on each turn on a standard map.
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
I suppose that was my issue. I never played the game with any of the expansions because the base game didn't really give me a reason to do so. I really despised the specialist style of city-planning that the game forced the player into. Civ V does a much better job of allowing the player some flexibility in their cities.
How does Civ 5 handle late game? I agree with others that one thing I always hated about late game in Civ (although I would say that Civ 4 is better in it than the previous ones) that you got so many cities to manage, you were not as efficient as you could have been - or turns lasted for 15 minutes or so.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 17, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
Alpha Centauri's Wondr Movies were better.
I'd love to see Alpha Centauri redone. It wouldn't even need to be "SMAC 2" - a simple lifting/reimagining, a'la Pirates, would make me happy. The quotes/movies system alone was the deepest shit I've ever seen in any computer game.
Quote from: Valmy on October 17, 2011, 12:35:46 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 11:25:07 AM
I spent more time as a kid building sand castles than I did as an adult going to a theatre. That does not mean the former is a superior form of entertainment to the latter.
What did you grow up on the beach or something? How much time could one possibly spend building sand castles?
I had a sandbox in my parents' garden. :P
Civ1 was the best strategy game in its time (early 90s). It was very crude by today's standards, but at that time nothing came close to it. Technology. Wonders of the world. Different government forms. A journey from club wielding tribesmen to nuclear bombs. Meaningful strategic choices. For some reason they released Colonisation (a good game by itself) as a "sequel" to civ1, and that's my biggest beef with it.
Civ2 was largely an update of Civ1. Better graphics, more units, more tech, more buildings, etc. I particularly loved the Wonders of the World movies and the funny advisory council. The advice was, as always, useless but the acting was cool.
Civ3 made some bold changes. The result was a bit mixed. Culture and borders were great. Previously there was no way to stop enemy troops and settlers from entering "my" territory short of stationing a line of military units at the "border" or declaring war. The entire "look and feel" was very different from the last game. Civ unique units, strategic resources...these were new. They changed the stacking rules so that killing the strongest unit of a stack no longer kills the entire stack. This makes "stacks of doom" and huge wars involving a great number of units possible. On the minus side the beloved wonder movies were gone. The game seriously penalised creating too many cities. On too many occasions the finances of my empire went down the drain just because I built a new city. The spearmen defeating tanks thing had always been present from the days of civ1, but it happened a bit too often in Civ3.
Civ4 was what Civ3 should've been. The game was much more polished and much better balanced. Religion, health system (replaced the annoying whack-a-mole pollution system), civics, great leaders, specialists. It had good AI. If I remember correctly, the lead designer of civ4 was the AI programmer of civ3. My biggest beef with it is that they took the huge wars concept a bit too far. The late game was extremely tedious.
Civ5 is about "less is more". One unit per hex. No more religion or health. Hexes were new to civ, in fact. Civ1-4 had squares. No more covering the entire landscape with roads and railroads. Game balancing and AI took a step back though. The AI can't handle Panzer General style wars with few units.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 18, 2011, 03:52:00 AM
The game seriously penalised creating too many cities.
:huh:
Civ 3 was noted for its sprawl of tiny cities. Civ 4 otoh, has you go bankrupt if you start a fifth city before you get courthouses.
Quote from: Martinus on October 18, 2011, 03:33:14 AM
How does Civ 5 handle late game? I agree with others that one thing I always hated about late game in Civ (although I would say that Civ 4 is better in it than the previous ones) that you got so many cities to manage, you were not as efficient as you could have been - or turns lasted for 15 minutes or so.
that's one of it's beauties to me. Via cultural victory, small civs (in terms of number of cities) are a perfectly viable strategy.
Ok, Tamas, can you give a longer description of a game play rather than snippets? :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 18, 2011, 04:18:26 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 18, 2011, 03:52:00 AM
The game seriously penalised creating too many cities.
:huh:
Civ 3 was noted for its sprawl of tiny cities. Civ 4 otoh, has you go bankrupt if you start a fifth city before you get courthouses.
QuoteInfinite City Sprawl (ICS for short; "smallpox" in FreeCiv), refers to the strategy based on the concept that a player should have as many cities as possible to crank out hordes of cheap military units. In Civ1, this is marked by building many cities adjacent to other cities without so much as a space in between. This strategy was so powerful that in all other Civ games, it is illegal to place a city immediately next to another. So players started placing them with a one-square buffer zone in between. Civ2 did have some other countermeasures in place, such as having too many cities will cause unhappiness problems, but on the whole, using ICS was far more effective than not using it would be. Against a player already known to use ICS, the only real effective response was to also use ICS. Because this simplifies the game to an absurd degree and increases the tedium, many players hated ICS and players would usually forego their differences to gang up on anybody found to be using it. To this day, using ICS against human opponents in Civilization I or II is a serious breach of playing etiquette.
ICS as an "unbeatable" strategy came to an end by Alpha Centauri or Civilization III, although it can still be an effective strategy and many players will still use it, while facing much less hostility in response because the strategy is now beatable by other means.
Well, the AI built a crapload more cities in Civ 3 than it did in Civ 2.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 18, 2011, 05:17:06 AM
Well, the AI built a crapload more cities in Civ 3 than it did in Civ 2.
That's true. One of the annoying things of Civ3. I think it is an attempt to compete with the human opponent and make the game more challenging.
Quote from: Martinus on October 18, 2011, 03:35:17 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 17, 2011, 09:13:31 PM
Alpha Centauri's Wondr Movies were better.
I'd love to see Alpha Centauri redone. It wouldn't even need to be "SMAC 2" - a simple lifting/reimagining, a'la Pirates, would make me happy. The quotes/movies system alone was the deepest shit I've ever seen in any computer game.
Word. Just update the playablility a bit.
Quote from: Martinus on October 18, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
Ok, Tamas, can you give a longer description of a game play rather than snippets? :P
Well I am a bit rusty in it, so what I say me be somewhat obsolete (in the latest patch they did a big and seemingly very positive overhaul of what civics were in 4)
Basically you have the following routes to victory, and various policy [civic] choices to gear your empire towards them (beware, these are permanent ones - which is great)
-conquest: considerations appear to be the same as in 4, except that it would be much more fun, if the AI could, IDK, resist your empire without a big advantage
-diplomacy: buddy-up the city states. Relevant policy tree, and preferably a sizeable income to keep buying their loyalty
-research: you know the drill, except that I THINK, you have the sheer size or smaller empire and more specialists route, but one may be superior to the other
-culture: the less cities the easier, altough there is "too small" for this as well
And there is good difference between these - there different paths you can take, and all should be viable, even in MP, I think.
Also there are smaller differences to consider: eg. you dont really want to build everything everywhere, money is just too damn important to maintain stuff you are not really utilizing effectively.
Quote from: Martinus on October 18, 2011, 03:33:14 AM
How does Civ 5 handle late game? I agree with others that one thing I always hated about late game in Civ (although I would say that Civ 4 is better in it than the previous ones) that you got so many cities to manage, you were not as efficient as you could have been - or turns lasted for 15 minutes or so.
From a user interface point of view, very, very well. The tedium rises linearly rather than exponentially as you progress in the game in Civ 5. From the gameplay point of view, however, the retardation of tactical warfare AI unfortunately does rise exponentially as you progress. AI can handle swordsmen and horsemen fine, but by the time artillery and air power becomes the dominant means of waging war, and all land units get 3-5 moves per turn, it just goes brain dead. You really need just a dozen highly experienced units to take literally anything that AI can throw at you, unless you lag badly in tech.
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Which says nothing as that's the way of the world today.
Not really no.
But really yes.
Nope.
Quote from: Cecil on October 18, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Which says nothing as that's the way of the world today.
Not really no.
But really yes.
Nope.
Yep.
Quote from: garbon on October 18, 2011, 03:07:35 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 18, 2011, 02:58:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 01:21:02 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 01:10:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 17, 2011, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 17, 2011, 12:28:21 PM
Also one should remember that 4 only got its "BEST EVAH" rating due to 2 expansion packs. Vanilla wasnt all that good.
Which says nothing as that's the way of the world today.
Not really no.
But really yes.
Nope.
Yep.
nope.
You can't say the same thing again. :angry:
I think it's safe to say that the joke has played itself out, if there was anything to play out to begin with.
Ok, I downloaded it. There are also some expension packs with extra civs, should I get these too?
I kinda like the game from a short time I played. The "Civics" seem like a cool thing. It feels different than Civs overall, but still has the same feel.
Kinda bummed that advisors and wonder "movies" are not animated the same way leaders are though.
I'm downloading this now. Are they seriously requiring an active internet connection to play it? :rolleyes: