I hate personal statements on CVs, and have actually read no further when I'm recruiting if someone sounds conceited, despite the fact that boasting is pretty much what they are there for.
I used to have a completely dry CV which required only minor tweaks and wrote detailed covering letters explaining why I'm ideal for that particular position. The only problem was many positions recruit via agencies who only forward the CV, not the letter.
Now I hear they're all the rage, so I'm trying to put together a couple of sentences that say what I am and what I'm good at that won't make people throw up a little in their mouths. Preferably not beginning with "I".
Do you have one on your CV? Do you like the idea? What does yours say? What should mine say? And other probing questions.
What do you mean by "personal statements"? I take it you do not mean stuff like "hobbies" or "personal interests"? I am also a big proponent of dry CVs - all kinds of personal letters and the like always sound like the person I am hiring is an asshole. :P
Hate it as well.
When I last did one, I made it short and in the third person something along the lines of "An ambitous, focussed journalist looking to take it to the next level" obv not that shit.
Mind you I haven't applied for a job for years
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 09:25:57 AM
many positions recruit via agencies who only forward the CV, not the letter.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.cheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2009%2F11%2F23%2F129034846781686106.jpg&hash=a50ecb13299e9213d6409515a00d85225a347dd8)
Quote from: Gups on September 23, 2011, 09:34:40 AM
Hate it as well.
When I last did one, I made it short and in the third person something along the lines of "An ambitous, focussed journalist looking to take it to the next level" obv not that shit.
Mind you I haven't applied for a job for years
That sounds like bullshit - if I got a CV with a statement like that, I would consider the person sending it to be a tard. I so much more prefer a dry, structured CV, with people filling in certain categories, without some flowery prose. Even hobbies/personal interests is sometimes too much (although I guess you can use it at the interview).
But "why do you want to work for us" is a much better question to ask during an interview, than have someone send in some stock response found on the internet.
If this is a journalist job, btw, have you considered submitting a copy or two of your articles, in the similar way a photographer may submit a portfolio of pictures?
Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2011, 09:40:44 AM
If this is a journalist job, btw, have you considered submitting a copy or two of your articles, in the similar way a photographer may submit a portfolio of pictures?
I wish I'd thought of that.....
Sorry Mart, it's standard practice to include links to relevant stories. :P
This statement basically comes under your personal details and before your career history and tell the recruiter why they want to read further.
Here's an example that would get laughed at them spiked if it came under my scrutiny. Two sentences at most I think.
http://www.cvconsultants.co.uk/cv_templates/cv_templates.html (http://www.cvconsultants.co.uk/cv_templates/cv_templates.html)
Quote from: Gups on September 23, 2011, 09:34:40 AM
When I last did one, I made it short and in the third person something along the lines of "An ambitous, focussed journalist looking to take it to the next level" obv not that shit.
Or that untrue :P
Brazen, the advice I've received from HR types is that a personal statement is pretty much essential.
But I have to say that, as a recruiter at hte moment, I find them useless. They all say the bloody same thing - loaded with whatever keywords are in fashion ("dynamic", "motivated", "competencies", "results-driven", etc).
I suspect now that everyone does it, it will go back out of fashion.
Did you guys ever come across Competence based CVs instead of experience based?
Brazen, the whole purpose of the document to let the person reading it know that you are the one to hire for that position. Do whatever it takes to make that point clear.
The kind of personal statement you are refering to may not be appropriate in all circumstances but if you think it will help then make it short, sweet and to the point of why that particular personal trait makes you perfect for that position.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 23, 2011, 09:54:15 AM
Did you guys ever come across Competence based CVs instead of experience based?
Yes, when I changed careers I had a list of skills right at the top because they were more relevant than my experience at that point.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 23, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
Brazen, the whole purpose of the document to let the person reading it know that you are the one to hire for that position. Do whatever it takes to make that point clear.
Topless photo then, righto.
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 23, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
Brazen, the whole purpose of the document to let the person reading it know that you are the one to hire for that position. Do whatever it takes to make that point clear.
Topless photo then, righto.
Thats the spirit.
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 23, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
Brazen, the whole purpose of the document to let the person reading it know that you are the one to hire for that position. Do whatever it takes to make that point clear.
Topless photo then, righto.
In that case I'd be more then willing to review your CV
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
http://www.cvconsultants.co.uk/cv_templates/cv_templates.html (http://www.cvconsultants.co.uk/cv_templates/cv_templates.html)
British CVs are quite different from German CVs apparently. Interesting.
Recruitment sites also recommended using a sans serif font like Ariel instead of Times New Roman. It looks like a child wrote it. Maybe I should try Comic Sans.
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
Recruitment sites also recommended using a sans serif font like Ariel instead of Times New Roman. It looks like a child wrote it. Maybe I should try Comic Sans.
:bleeding:
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
Recruitment sites also recommended using a sans serif font like Ariel instead of Times New Roman. It looks like a child wrote it. Maybe I should try Comic Sans.
Lol. I don't mind Arial, though. I think it looks kind of nice. I think this is Arial, isn't it?
I've gotta write a cover letter for some clerk thing today. Don't want to. I want a job to make money. Give me money and I will do the job. Actually, I think I'd like it, since it's working with a consumer protection agency...
Oh fuck, this means secured transactions, doesn't it? I might as send them a picture of my dick. Won't hurt my chances.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:34:23 AM
I've gotta write a cover letter for some clerk thing today. Don't want to. I want a job to make money. Give me money and I will do the job.
I hate writing letters.
Money is why I'm working at all, so why should I put some other shit in such letter? Especially when I'm applying for some clerk shit job the monkey can handle. If I was the man I'm describing in a letter I wouldn't apply for your shitty job, cause headhunters would have got me already.
Quote from: szmik on September 23, 2011, 11:11:37 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:34:23 AM
I've gotta write a cover letter for some clerk thing today. Don't want to. I want a job to make money. Give me money and I will do the job.
Blah, Blah, Blah, ...
If I was the man ...headhunters would have got me already.
qft
that being said when i see personal statements it usually goes into the recycle bin...
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
I saw that and I said hire that guy
I thought statements and objectives were on the way out. I was so happy to remove them from my resume. A cover letter is far better than any stupid statement.
But since most places now take applications online, I mostly use my resume to copy-paste certain sections into their online forms.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 23, 2011, 09:54:15 AM
Did you guys ever come across Competence based CVs instead of experience based?
Most of them are partially this and partially that. Listing your languages, or education is competence based. For entry level people it is essential.
Yeah, what lemonjello said. I guess in some jobs "creativity" can be a plus but any lawyer CV that goes for "originality" usually ends in the bin.
I want to know which school you finished and which jobs you held. Give me a time to figure out you are a douche until the interview - don't make it apparent from your cv already.
I was planning to make an aircraft carrier joke, but couldn't muster the will.
A recent cv had "an avid cigar smoker" in the "personal interests" section. I considered hiring the guy just on the off chance it was a code for "homosexual".
Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
A recent cv had "an avid cigar smoker" in the "personal interests" section. I considered hiring the guy just on the off chance it was a code for "homosexual".
If I ever read that on a resume, I'd think 'smelly asshole' who will be outside smoking all the time instead of working. Pass.
Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
A recent cv had "an avid cigar smoker" in the "personal interests" section. I considered hiring the guy just on the off chance it was a code for "homosexual".
:lol:
but you can't sleep with the help :contract:
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 02:28:11 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 23, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
A recent cv had "an avid cigar smoker" in the "personal interests" section. I considered hiring the guy just on the off chance it was a code for "homosexual".
:lol:
but you can't sleep with the help :contract:
Yes :(
I like how the word "avid" makes anything sound classier. "I'm an avid methamphetamine user," for example.
I read a CV that included the line 'I am interested in cooking and can cook most things especially pasta.' He also listed his swimming badges as qualifications. He had a degree.
Despite my concerted lobbying we didn't take it to interview.
But I do think maybe it should be original and write it like a personal ad. In my case 'desperate and needy seeks discreet low-maintenance boss for barely satisfactory position and long country walks'.
Quote from: Zanza on September 23, 2011, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Brazen on September 23, 2011, 09:45:33 AM
http://www.cvconsultants.co.uk/cv_templates/cv_templates.html (http://www.cvconsultants.co.uk/cv_templates/cv_templates.html)
British CVs are quite different from German CVs apparently. Interesting.
I've heard that it's standard in some Euro countries to have a photo on your CV and have seen CVs with that. I don't know if it's the case in Germany. But it's one of those things that looks very foreign and quite weird to British eyes.
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 23, 2011, 07:49:28 PM
I've heard that it's standard in some Euro countries to have a photo on your CV and have seen CVs with that. I don't know if it's the case in Germany. But it's one of those things that looks very foreign and quite weird to British eyes.
Indians and Filipinos do this also.
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 23, 2011, 07:47:29 PM
I read a CV that included the line 'I am interested in cooking and can cook most things especially pasta.' He also listed his swimming badges as qualifications. He had a degree.
Despite my concerted lobbying we didn't take it to interview.
But I do think maybe it should be original and write it like a personal ad. In my case 'desperate and needy seeks discreet low-maintenance boss for barely satisfactory position and long country walks'.
One time a guy's resume had this on it:
Interests:I like cats
We brought him in and ran a background check. It turned out that he forgot to tell us he also liked little boys. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
:)
That's the same reason I only hire ugly chicks. :)
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
That's the same reason I only hire ugly chicks. :)
:(
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
<_<
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
<_<
I,ve told you to join the Armed Forces, some thing easy like the ChAir NG.
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
I once rejected a guy who had military history among his interests and practiced at a shooting range - looked too much like a right winger. I took a girl with interests in yoga and modern cinema instead. :yeah:
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:57:34 PM
That's the same reason I only hire ugly chicks. :)
They like cats?
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
<_<
I thought you were a lawyer. It's unlikely Caliga recruits for positions that you would be interested in. I can't imagine a lawfirm looking out for
a college drop-out failure an ex soldier.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job? Besides, lawfirms look for people with intelligence, creativity and flexibility - former military service (besides just looking weird) screams the opposite of these traits.
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:04:03 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
I once rejected a guy who had military history among his interests and practiced at a shooting range - looked too much like a right winger. I took a girl with interests in yoga and modern cinema instead. :yeah:
So, how did you come to Languish, if not Europa Universalis 2? OMG CRYPTO-RIGHTIST.
Well, the guy also gave other vibes. Like graduating from a catholic uni or interning in some ministry during the PiS rule.
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:07:35 AM
I thought you were a lawyer. It's unlikely Caliga recruits for positions that you would be interested in. I can't imagine a lawfirm looking out for a college drop-out failure an ex soldier.
:hmm: This dude went to some armed forces college thing, so he did have a degree. Also, senior network engineers make $100K+. :)
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job?
Yes, apparently. Funny story, my school actually dropped a tier while I was there.
Quote from: Caliga on September 24, 2011, 06:48:36 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:07:35 AM
I thought you were a lawyer. It's unlikely Caliga recruits for positions that you would be interested in. I can't imagine a lawfirm looking out for a college drop-out failure an ex soldier.
:hmm: This dude went to some armed forces college thing, so he did have a degree. Also, senior network engineers make $100K+. :)
I didn't realize that the key quality in engineers is to be good in "following orders". I can only imagine what kind of facility you are running.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2011, 07:00:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job?
Yes, apparently. Funny story, my school actually dropped a tier while I was there.
:hug:
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
I recommend getting in touch with an officer recruiter soon, even if you're just considering it.
I got in touch with a Navy OCS recruiter, and the soonest I could get into that would be 2013 or 2014: apparently the Navy is downsizing, so bad job market + fewer OCS slots = 2012 is totally booked. Army and Marines might be more open, but you need to be near the top of the physical fitness test scores to be even considered.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 25, 2011, 01:32:08 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
I recommend getting in touch with an officer recruiter soon, even if you're just considering it.
I got in touch with a Navy OCS recruiter, and the soonest I could get into that would be 2013 or 2014: apparently the Navy is downsizing, so bad job market + fewer OCS slots = 2012 is totally booked. Army and Marines might be more open, but you need to be near the top of the physical fitness test scores to be even considered.
Yeah Ide, wait 2+ years to be able to put something on your resume that will make you look like a loser to any law firm recruiter. :lmfao:
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:07:35 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 08:16:34 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 23, 2011, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Rasputin on September 23, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
of course there are exceptions to every rule and one of my current associates got his job because he put "50 Caliber Machine Gun" under his proficciencies (he was usmc)
Yeah, did that too once. Guy was applying for some network engineer job he wasn't qualified for, but my sales partner saw that he was a former tanker and said "bring him in... I can sell past any other objection" and I did, and he did. It turns out the client , Bill (the sales guy) and this dude were all at Ft. Knox together.
I admit that in general I have a huge bias in favor of hiring veterans. I like people who aren't late and follow orders without arguing. :)
<_<
I thought you were a lawyer. It's unlikely Caliga recruits for positions that you would be interested in. I can't imagine a lawfirm looking out for a college drop-out failure an ex soldier.
wrong
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job? Besides, lawfirms look for people with intelligence, creativity and flexibility - former military service (besides just looking weird) screams the opposite of these traits.
do you not see the irony in your own prejudices?
anyhow i'd have never hired that chick you described...screams left wing commie to me
we can still discriminate against commies in america
:contract:
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2011, 07:00:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job?
Yes, apparently. Funny story, my school actually dropped a tier while I was there.
I believe that you have another major impediment.
If I saw an applicant with good marks from a good law school AND they had a military background I would definitely scoop them up.
Someone that is both smart and isnt afraid of work is becoming harder to find these days.
I have a military background.
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
Well, the guy also gave other vibes. Like graduating from a catholic uni or interning in some ministry during the PiS rule.
I would never risk overlooking someone on grounds like that. It could ruin my life.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 25, 2011, 01:32:08 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
I recommend getting in touch with an officer recruiter soon, even if you're just considering it.
I got in touch with a Navy OCS recruiter, and the soonest I could get into that would be 2013 or 2014: apparently the Navy is downsizing, so bad job market + fewer OCS slots = 2012 is totally booked. Army and Marines might be more open, but you need to be near the top of the physical fitness test scores to be even considered.
Also, check out JAG. I didn't even look at it. That field might be less crowded.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 26, 2011, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
Well, the guy also gave other vibes. Like graduating from a catholic uni or interning in some ministry during the PiS rule.
I would never risk overlooking someone on grounds like that. It could ruin my life.
How so?
Quote from: Martinus on September 26, 2011, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 26, 2011, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 06:12:50 AM
Well, the guy also gave other vibes. Like graduating from a catholic uni or interning in some ministry during the PiS rule.
I would never risk overlooking someone on grounds like that. It could ruin my life.
How so?
If he overlooked the same people you would overlook he might end up with someone like your internet personality.
Quote from: Rasputin on September 26, 2011, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job? Besides, lawfirms look for people with intelligence, creativity and flexibility - former military service (besides just looking weird) screams the opposite of these traits.
do you not see the irony in your own prejudices?
anyhow i'd have never hired that chick you described...screams left wing commie to me
we can still discriminate against commies in america
:contract:
And we can discriminate against military tards in Poland.
Also, speaking of left wing commies... are there right wing commies, too? :P
Quote from: Rasputin on September 26, 2011, 12:22:48 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2011, 07:00:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 24, 2011, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
Is your degree that shitty, that you can't get a decent job?
Yes, apparently. Funny story, my school actually dropped a tier while I was there.
I believe that you have another major impediment.
Well, yeah.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 26, 2011, 01:20:59 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 25, 2011, 01:32:08 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 23, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I'm considering it. It seems a little ass-backwards to join the military after I got out of law school.
I recommend getting in touch with an officer recruiter soon, even if you're just considering it.
I got in touch with a Navy OCS recruiter, and the soonest I could get into that would be 2013 or 2014: apparently the Navy is downsizing, so bad job market + fewer OCS slots = 2012 is totally booked. Army and Marines might be more open, but you need to be near the top of the physical fitness test scores to be even considered.
Also, check out JAG. I didn't even look at it. That field might be less crowded.
For the CF you need to be called to the bar to be considered for JAG.
Ide drinks a lot so he's probably been to lots of bars.
Quote from: Rasputin on September 26, 2011, 12:21:47 PM
do you not see the irony in your own prejudices?
anyhow i'd have never hired that chick you described...screams left wing commie to me
we can still discriminate against commies in america
:contract:
Both you and Marty are making the mistake of thinking military service means the same in both your countries.
I can see where he is coming from, because we have the same perception that military service is for losers who have failed at everything else. Either that or right wing nuts. And the truth is, it is often correct, precisely because bright people would never consider a career there. There are exceptions, of course. Probably more every day. In time they might become the rule and the military will lose that fame.
Quote from: Iormlund on September 26, 2011, 03:17:03 PM
I can see where he is coming from, because we have the same perception that military service is for losers who have failed at everything else. Either that or right wing nuts. And the truth is, it is often correct, precisely because bright people would never consider a career there. There are exceptions, of course. Probably more every day. In time they might become the rule and the military will lose that fame.
Since we are talking about the US military here, I see only one person making an error - Marti. If Marti doesnt know about military organizations outside his homeland then he ought to refrain from discussing such things.