I'm currently reading Ralph Peters' War After Armageddon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/War-After-Armageddon-Ralph-Peters/dp/0765363402/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312821941&sr=8-1). I liked his 1980s book Red Army (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Army-Ralph-Peters/dp/0671676695/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312822001&sr=1-1) about WW3 in Germany from a Soviet perspective well enough.
Disclaimer: I don't expect high political analysis or deep insights from the book - I read it as near future military pulp.
Anyways, the scenario as put down in the book:
In the 2020s, Muslim extremists detonate dirty bombs in major European cities. A minority among the Muslims in Europe start an uprising which they know will fail, but they hope to widen the rift between West and Muslims.
This is followed by violent pogroms against Muslims in all of Europe, at the end of which the nations of Europe decide to expell all Muslims. The U.S., appalled by the developments in Europe, offer humanitarian aid and supply ships for repatriation of the Muslims to Muslim countries - who don't want their Westernized cousins. The deported are dropped off in Muslim countries by force where the local authorities leave them to die. After a violent incident on one of the U.S. supplied transport ships, the Muslim world rallies against the U.S. and conspiracy theories rise that the whole deportation was the Americans' plan in the first place.
A year or two later, Iran launches an all out nuclear attack against Israel; at the same time terrorists detonate nukes in downtown L.A. and on the Strip in Las Vegas. America is outraged and religious radicals, call for a crusade and enter the White House in the next election. They create a volunteer Crusader Army to re-capture the Holy Land from the Muslims and eradicate the threat of Islam once and for all.
At the beginning of the book it's inferred that the U.S. turn into a rabidly religious country at the end of the process and that the Holy War got rid of all Muslims.
Haven't read much further yet. The book focuses on combat operations in Syria and Israel in the mid-2030s. Combat has a bit of a "back to the roots" approach with a lot of the electronic equipment (except especially shielded stuff) negated by electronic warfare and EMP weaponry.
Plausible? Or completely crazy? As said, I read this for entertainment, not form political enlightenment. But I thought Languishites would enjoy the scenario. :P
Implausible. Once the muslim insurrection starts, Europe will be so ethnically fragmented, there will be no defense to speak of.
Quote from: Slargos on August 08, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Implausible. Once the muslim insurrection starts, Europe will be so ethnically fragmented, there will be no defense to speak of.
The idea is that only a small group rises up and hits key targets (like the Sistine Chapel) to rile up Euro response.
Needs a map.
Sounds painful to read.
Quote from: Fate on August 08, 2011, 12:13:25 PM
Needs a map.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F7%2F7c%2FRalph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg&hash=dd900031fd0e88548a57abf4054f0b29ccf3b68b)
QuoteBefore and after maps from "Blood borders: How a better Middle East would look", Armed Forces Journal, June 2006.
I like how even in a "better Middle East Map" they still can't decide what the West Bank should be.
Quote from: frunk on August 08, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
I like how even in a "better Middle East Map" they still can't decide what the West Bank should be.
Meh, I like how slicing and dicing the bulk of the arab states is somehow deemed simpler than resolving the Israeli Palestinian issue.
Quote from: Viking on August 08, 2011, 12:57:38 PM
Quote from: frunk on August 08, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
I like how even in a "better Middle East Map" they still can't decide what the West Bank should be.
Meh, I like how slicing and dicing the bulk of the arab states is somehow deemed simpler than resolving the Israeli Palestinian issue.
It'll be much easier once there are no arabs there. :hmm:
I wouldn't bother with dirty bombs if I were a terrorist.
Quote from: Slargos on August 08, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Implausible. Once the muslim insurrection starts, Europe will be so ethnically fragmented, there will be no defense to speak of.
I think you underestimate the Europeans' capability for violent pogroms.
And if all else fails, we can import some Russians and Jews to expel the Muslims.
Quote from: The Brain on August 08, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
I wouldn't bother with dirty bombs if I were a terrorist.
I agree, a swedish terrorist would make a clean bomb.
Quote from: Viking on August 08, 2011, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 08, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
I wouldn't bother with dirty bombs if I were a terrorist.
I agree, a swedish terrorist would make a clean bomb.
If he could make sense of the instructions provided by IKEA.
The map, while by the same author, is not related to the scenario at hand.
Quote from: Solmyr on August 08, 2011, 01:54:33 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 08, 2011, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 08, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
I wouldn't bother with dirty bombs if I were a terrorist.
I agree, a swedish terrorist would make a clean bomb.
If he could make sense of the instructions provided by IKEA.
If there is any more anti-social misanthrope in this world than Ingvar Kamprad I'm a jelly doughnut.
Well, Seedy.
Quote from: Syt on August 08, 2011, 02:01:17 PM
The map, while by the same author, is not related to the scenario at hand.
Nope, it's from a serious article in a military magazine. And it reveals that the author is...a Timmay. :ph34r: *Shudders*
It seems kinda silly to me. I don't think "Crusader" is really part of American political language. The sports team of the local Catholic High School is called "The Crusaders". Though everyone just calls them Bunnies or Rabbits. Apparently it dates back to really old cartoon called "Crusader Rabbit".
I didn't care for how "Red Army" ended. It's rooted in the silly belief of American Conservatives that the easily fooled American people were tricked into giving up in Vietnam by the liberal media. The case in "Red Army" is even more absurd. The Soviets orchestrate a televised destruction of the town of Luneburg. Their faux-German reporters blame it on NATO. Germany quits the war the next day. Apparently the West German government works really fast. I was unsure how many people would have seen it as the Germans are depicted fleeing en mass from the Soviet invasion. Not to mention that simply broadcasting it out isn't likely to pick up many viewers if they don't know what channel it's suppose to be on. Showing on the same frequency as an established channel wouldn't work as the signals would get confused (and the people running the German channel would probably notice if the Soviets started using the same frequency to air stuff). Finally, the Soviets were really ham fisted in their propaganda. A mysterious broadcast with Soviet production values and weird Soviet propaganda techniques would have likely been met with suspicion, particularly when there are armies of tanks rolling through Northern Germany toward Hamburg.
If you want a hilarious Armageddon book, try John Ringo's Last Centurion.
Spoiler:
The inept female president is Hillary Clinton.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 08, 2011, 04:44:45 PM
If you want a hilarious Armageddon book, try John Ringo's Last Centurion.
Spoiler:
The inept female president is Hillary Clinton.
Better yet, Orson Scott Card's Empire . It has Hillary Clinton and George Soros. Also the evil liberal army has giant robots and hover bikes.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 08, 2011, 04:44:45 PM
If you want a hilarious Armageddon book, try John Ringo's Last Centurion.
Spoiler:
The inept female president is Hillary Clinton.
That's the one written as a blog, right?
I thought it was pretty good.
Quote from: Siege on August 08, 2011, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 08, 2011, 04:44:45 PM
If you want a hilarious Armageddon book, try John Ringo's Last Centurion.
Spoiler:
The inept female president is Hillary Clinton.
That's the one written as a blog, right?
I thought it was pretty good.
Admit it, you liked it because a stryker company assrapes every islam-o-tard within spitting distance.
If you want a good apocolyptic war story, try The Salvation War. It's only available on-line.
I suppose I should find it blasphemous and be offended, but it's too funny for me to take seriously enough to be offended. A sample: An Isreali submarine commander is killed after being tricked into nuking Tel Aviv by his traitorous communications officer. He wakes up in Hell, which has been liberated from Satan's legions by armies lead by David Patreus (it makes sense in context) expecting to be hailed as a hero. Instead he is informed that he is charged with "treason, crimes against humanity, 126,226 counts of murder in the 1st degree, and failure to properly file your navigation logs. You have the right to plead guilty to these charges. If you chose not to exercise that right, you have the right to have the crap beaten out of you until you change your mind. You have the right to have an attorney help you write your confession. If you can't afford an attorney, boy, are you screwed."
I'm trying to figure out what kind of context General Patreus liberating Hell makes sense in.
Quote from: dps on August 08, 2011, 07:30:44 PM
If you want a good apocolyptic war story, try The Salvation War. It's only available on-line.
I suppose I should find it blasphemous and be offended, but it's too funny for me to take seriously enough to be offended. A sample: An Isreali submarine commander is killed after being tricked into nuking Tel Aviv by his traitorous communications officer. He wakes up in Hell, which has been liberated from Satan's legions by armies lead by David Patreus (it makes sense in context) expecting to be hailed as a hero. Instead he is informed that he is charged with "treason, crimes against humanity, 126,226 counts of murder in the 1st degree, and failure to properly file your navigation logs. You have the right to plead guilty to these charges. If you chose not to exercise that right, you have the right to have the crap beaten out of you until you change your mind. You have the right to have an attorney help you write your confession. If you can't afford an attorney, boy, are you screwed."
OH MY GOD. My ebook reader needs that.