Simple question, no doubt very complex multiple answers:
When would this jailbird typically expect to be get parole ?
Under what conditions do they see out their parole ?
What's the over-under on how they generally behave ?
How soon are they eligible to travel out of state, get a passport, travel outside the USA ?
We had a thread about this years ago, my friend D's sister had 'fallen in love' and gotten engage to a convicted rapist residing in a Georgia state prison. She now owns a house in the state, has found religion and is hoping to 'spring' him from jail and marry him.
Her sister, D. and D's husband just want some info on what you'd typically expect to happen in these cases regard release date and what his probably behaviour is going to be like once he leaves prison; this is so they can counter-act her fantasy stories and give it straight to the rest of the family as to what is likely to be the reality of the woman's situation and what she can expect.
The details:
The guy is 44 years old and spent most of his life in prison, in 1988 he was convicted of rape and given a life sentence along with a other convictions related to that event, namely aggravated sodomy and robbery, over the next few weeks he committed more burglaries, others assaults and some more minor crimes.
Typically when is this guy likely to eligible for parole, if at all ?
Will the woman, willing to 'spring' him from jail likely aid his release ?
If he gets out, how unlikely is he to be the reformed character she believes him to be, what are the percentages on this ?
I'm guessing CdM and Strix might be some help here, together with other law talkers.
cheers
Mongers
Phone up the prison he is serving in and ask them.
I really can't help you in the US, but even if it was in Canada there are far too many details to change what a potential parole date might be that you can't give an estimate.
And I'm sure you know this, but eligible for parole does not guarantee parole being granted.
Quote from: mongers on June 14, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
The details:
The guy is 44 years old and spent most of his life in prison, in 1988 he was convicted of rape and given a life sentence along with a other convictions related to that event, namely aggravated sodomy and robbery, over the next few weeks he committed more burglaries, others assaults and some more minor crimes.
Typically when is this guy likely to eligible for parole, if at all ?
Will the woman, willing to 'spring' him from jail likely aid his release ?
If he gets out, how unlikely is he to be the reformed character she believes him to be, what are the percentages on this ?
With more details - including, if at all possible, the name of the prisoner - I could give you more information. Prisoners serving a life sentence, if denied parole, can have their next parole hearing set as far out as 8 years.
There's a fair amount of information available here:
http://oldweb.pap.state.ga.us/
If I'm reading this right, on a life sentence if paroled he'd never be allowed to leave Georgia (although he could be paroled into another state if he met certain conditions):
http://oldweb.pap.state.ga.us/parole_conditions.htm
Each year approximately 12% of parolees go back to prison - usually for failing to meet a condition.
http://oldweb.pap.state.ga.us/faq%27s.htm
Quote from: ulmont on June 14, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 14, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
The details:
The guy is 44 years old and spent most of his life in prison, in 1988 he was convicted of rape and given a life sentence along with a other convictions related to that event, namely aggravated sodomy and robbery, over the next few weeks he committed more burglaries, others assaults and some more minor crimes.
Typically when is this guy likely to eligible for parole, if at all ?
Will the woman, willing to 'spring' him from jail likely aid his release ?
If he gets out, how unlikely is he to be the reformed character she believes him to be, what are the percentages on this ?
With more details - including, if at all possible, the name of the prisoner - I could give you more information. Prisoners serving a life sentence, if denied parole, can have their next parole hearing set as far out as 8 years.
There's a fair amount of information available here:
http://oldweb.pap.state.ga.us/
If I'm reading this right, on a life sentence if paroled he'd never be allowed to leave Georgia (although he could be paroled into another state if he met certain conditions):
http://oldweb.pap.state.ga.us/parole_conditions.htm
Each year approximately 12% of parolees go back to prison - usually for failing to meet a condition.
http://oldweb.pap.state.ga.us/faq%27s.htm
Excellent info and those are very useful links. :cheers:
Can I pm you his ID number ?
I think this is Strix's department. Also, your friend's sister is very stupid. Never trust an inmate. Never.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 14, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
Also, your friend's sister is very stupid. Never trust an inmate. Never.
:yes:
All that dude needs to do is use her house in a drug op and *poof* her house is seized and sold at auction. So solly, but Unca Sam owns it now and please get out of his house.
Remind me, did D tell his sister that she's a fucking moron and that she's on her own?
Quote from: mongers on June 14, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
my friend D's sister had 'fallen in love' and gotten engage to a convicted rapist residing in a Georgia state prison.
I can't wait till CDM posts in here.
Either way, I assume it's called a life sentence for a reason.
Quote from: mongers on June 14, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
Her sister, D. and D's husband just want some info on what you'd typically expect to happen in these cases regard release date and what his probably behaviour is going to be like once he leaves prison; this is so they can counter-act her fantasy stories and give it straight to the rest of the family as to what is likely to be the reality of the woman's situation and what she can expect.
:lol:
QuoteThe guy is 44 years old and spent most of his life in prison, in 1988 he was convicted of rape and given a life sentence along with a other convictions related to that event, namely aggravated sodomy and robbery, over the next few weeks he committed more burglaries, others assaults and some more minor crimes.
A real catch there.
Well, the upside is he's probably so institutionalized now he'll wind up there again more sooner than later.
PM me the name, DOB if possible and his ID as well; I can make a call to a contact in the GBI.
But you may get some traction here with the ID number a lot easier here:
http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/GDC/OffenderQuery/jsp/OffQryForm.jsp
Inmate information search, along with location, pics, and release time. Courtesy of the Georgia Department of Corrections. God Bless the American Taxpayer.
Quote from: chipwich on June 14, 2011, 08:22:58 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 14, 2011, 05:04:26 PM
my friend D's sister had 'fallen in love' and gotten engage to a convicted rapist residing in a Georgia state prison.
I can't wait till CDM posts in here.
Sometimes your only recourse is a slight chuckle, shake your head and walk away.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
Sometimes your only recourse is a slight chuckle, shake your head and walk away.
I think even people significantly less world weary than you have that reaction in this case.
Quote from: Jacob on June 14, 2011, 08:29:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2011, 08:25:06 PM
Sometimes your only recourse is a slight chuckle, shake your head and walk away.
I think even people significantly less world weary than you have that reaction in this case.
You can't fix stupid.
There wasn't a Tim, plumber, down at the pub for her to snag? Nevermind, some women. :wacko:
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 14, 2011, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 14, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
Also, your friend's sister is very stupid. Never trust an inmate. Never.
:yes:
All that dude needs to do is use her house in a drug op and *poof* her house is seized and sold at auction. So solly, but Unca Sam owns it now and please get out of his house.
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
Um this is the War on Drugs. All common sense goes out the window.
To be fair, this is Georgia. Shaking the woman's hand is enough to get a couple of life sentences for rape, if you fulfill a certain criteria. :unsure:
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
You have to break a few skulls to make a drug bust.
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 14, 2011, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 14, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
Also, your friend's sister is very stupid. Never trust an inmate. Never.
:yes:
All that dude needs to do is use her house in a drug op and *poof* her house is seized and sold at auction. So solly, but Unca Sam owns it now and please get out of his house.
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
hard to argue you didn't know your husband had a meth lab in your kitchen :D
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2011, 08:24:02 PM
A real catch there.
Well, the upside is he's probably so institutionalized now he'll wind up there again more sooner than later.
She'll likely be in there as well. Criminals have a funny way of dragging other people into their problems. Cases like this rarely end well.
And I thought I made some shitty choices in men :lol: He sounds a real catch. Where can I find one just like him? datarapist.com?
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 09:18:11 AM
To be fair, this is Georgia. Shaking the woman's hand is enough to get a couple of life sentences for rape, if you fulfill a certain criteria. :unsure:
Quotealong with a other convictions related to that event, namely aggravated sodomy and robbery, over the next few weeks he committed more burglaries, others assaults and some more minor crimes.
Remind me not to offer to shake your hand.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 15, 2011, 09:38:47 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 14, 2011, 08:24:02 PM
A real catch there.
Well, the upside is he's probably so institutionalized now he'll wind up there again more sooner than later.
She'll likely be in there as well. Criminals have a funny way of dragging other people into their problems. Cases like this rarely end well.
:yes: "Honey, I just need to keep some stuff at your house..."
Quote from: Brazen on June 15, 2011, 09:54:33 AM
And I thought I made some shitty choices in men :lol: He sounds a real catch. Where can I find one just like him? datarapist.com?
Isn't that the alternative URL for facebook ? :unsure:
I am not familiar with the sentencing laws for Georgia, so I cannot say when he might get paroled. The same applies to the typically conditions. I am not familiar with what conditions and rules that Georgia uses.
The standard NY ones are reporting to an office visit as directed, permitting the search of the parolee's residence, person, and property without a warrant, reporting contact with law enforcement, no contact with those known to have a criminal record, no leaving the State without permission, no possession of controlled substances not prescribed by a doctor or any drug paraphernalia, required to pay a supervision fee, no violating any laws which a parolee is subject which provide for a penalty of imprisonment nor threaten the safety and well-being of yourself or others, waive your right to resist extradition if you flee the State, and than the Parole Board will add some conditions, and than the Parole Officer will add some conditions.
Sex Offenders usually have 3-4 times as many conditions as a standard parolee.
This is a tricky case to determine how he would behave once he is released. Normally Sex Offenders have a low rate of committing crimes and violating their parole while under parole supervision. However, rapists are a different category of sex offender and often have a lot of issues resisting their urges. I'd need to know more about the details of the crime he committed. Was it date rape? He said/She said? Committed during another crime/ Is he a serial rapist? Etc, and so on.
How soon he can travel out of state is up to his State, conditions, and his Parole Officer. The standard response for NY is about 6 months before we will consider it unless it's a major event (mom/dad dying/died). Once again because of the nature of his crime, it is unlikely Georgia will want him out of the state and their supervision anytime soon.
Out of the country is usually out of the question. There are often too many legal questions concerning the country he is going to for Parole to even bother checking.
The first major concern is the likelyhood that he has AIDS or Hep C. He is a rapist who engaged in Sodomy. Chances are very good he was giving it and getting it while incarcerated.
I have found that prison marriages do not work, period. About 80% of my parolee's leave their wives within a few weeks of being released. A 100% have left them within the first year. The smarter ones will sue their spouses for support and/or make outrageous demands in return for a divorce.
The major reason they don't work is because people are different while in prison, and they change once they are released. While locked up, he has nothing to do 24/7 except write her or visit with her. He will give her all the attention she has previously lacked in a relationship because he has nothing else better to do. From her perspective, she is being treated like the most important thing in the world, and has been given fairytale promises of what life will be like when he gets out.
The reality, he will get out, have sex with her for a couple weeks, take her money, use her house/car, and probably have a new girlfriend within a week or so. That's if she is lucky. He will be a registered sex offender with a rape/robbery conviction which means he has little or no chance to get gainful employment. He may end up living off her for months until she gets disgusted to the point she wants to be free of him. If he is a stalker type than that may end up being a lot harder than she could ever imagine.
Usually having someone on the outside has little bearing on the parole proceedings. Relatives and romantic interests will say anything, and the Parole Board knows this. They will look at his crime, chances of his repeating it, and how bad the Board and State will look if he does. If they are like NY, they will reject the first 3-4 parole requests so that they look good if something happens farther down the line.
If you have anymore questions let me know?
The reality is that no sane State government wants to release rapists back into society. New York has even started using Mental Hygene laws to prevent the release of certain sex offenders once they have finished their required sentences. The reason is that most violent rapists will rape again. It's just how their brains are wired and nothing can change it. Therapy, Chemical Castration, and other methods just aren't effective enough to protect public safety. The chances are good that she is setting herself up to be one of his next victims.
Note: Yes, chemical castration will reduce the ability to get erect but not the desire. We had a rapist on chemical castration drugs who couldn't get it up for his next victim, so he killed her parrot and used that. And, we have another out now who doesn't use his penis, he reaches inside with his hand and pulls their utereus inside out.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
The reality is that no sane State government wants to release rapists back into society. New York has even started using Mental Hygene laws to prevent the release of certain sex offenders once they have finished their required sentences. The reason is that most violent rapists will rape again. It's just how their brains are wired and nothing can change it. Therapy, Chemical Castration, and other methods just aren't effective enough to protect public safety. The chances are good that she is setting herself up to be one of his next victims.
Thank you for qualifying that. So many people equate all sex offenders with violent rapists.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
New York has even started using Mental Hygene laws to prevent the release of certain sex offenders once they have finished their required sentences.
:hmm: Yeah, nothing wrong with the concept at all.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
Note: Yes, chemical castration will reduce the ability to get erect but not the desire. We had a rapist on chemical castration drugs who couldn't get it up for his next victim, so he killed her parrot and used that. And, we have another out now who doesn't use his penis, he reaches inside with his hand and pulls their utereus inside out.
Good lord - it's like a Monty Python skit gone wrong! ;)
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
Sacrificed at the altar of the drug war.
An "innocent owner" is protected from forfeiture. But the innocent owner has the burden of proving their status. And "innocent owner" doesn't just mean the owner was not criminally responsible; the owner also has to prove that either they knew nothing about the criminal activity, or that they took all reasonable steps to prevent the use of the property for criminal purposes.
You have to be pretty depraved to rape a parrot.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
The reality is that no sane State government wants to release rapists back into society. New York has even started using Mental Hygene laws to prevent the release of certain sex offenders once they have finished their required sentences. The reason is that most violent rapists will rape again. It's just how their brains are wired and nothing can change it. Therapy, Chemical Castration, and other methods just aren't effective enough to protect public safety. The chances are good that she is setting herself up to be one of his next victims.
Note: Yes, chemical castration will reduce the ability to get erect but not the desire. We had a rapist on chemical castration drugs who couldn't get it up for his next victim, so he killed her parrot and used that. And, we have another out now who doesn't use his penis, he reaches inside with his hand and pulls their utereus inside out.
Wow. I did not need that mental image. Is that even possible?
Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work. Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work. Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.
Thanks for reminding me. Grain of salt: taken.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work. Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.
No, these would be case files of real sex offenders. Not Urban legends. The DGullers of the world love to put things like this down as "urban myths" so that they don't have to consider just how bad humanity can act.
I don't know whether the case you're talking about is real or not. I can just go by your reputation. You have in the past falled victim to urban legends that you should've professionally known better about, such as kids have "pill parties". Maybe the case you're talking about is real, I just have no faith in your bullshit filtering skills.
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work. Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.
:lmfao:
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Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 11:32:44 AM
Strix has a record of passing along urban legends even on topics relating to his work. Therefore, a very healthy dose of skepticism is appropriate.
No, these would be case files of real sex offenders. Not Urban legends. The DGullers of the world love to put things like this down as "urban myths" so that they don't have to consider just how bad humanity can act.
I don't know whether the case you're talking about is real or not. I can just go by your reputation. You have in the past falled victim to urban legends that you should've professionally known better about, such as kids have "pill parties". Maybe the case you're talking about is real, I just have no faith in your bullshit filtering skills.
That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. :nelson:
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. :nelson:
:lol:
Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even.
That's fine, nothing in this thread rests on my thinking abilities, so that's not very relevant to the discussion.
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. :nelson:
:lol:
Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.
Maybe supervising people who rip out uteruses through vagina is his specialty.
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. :nelson:
:lol:
Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.
I'd hope not but you never can tell with him.
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2011, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 12:18:06 PM
That is fine, I have no faith in your thinking abilities at all, so we are even. And, I am sure that the two people I have on parole for the next two years would be thrilled to know that their crime was a bullshit "urban legend". Maybe they can use that as a basis to appeal their remaining post release supervision. :nelson:
:lol:
Pretty sure DGuller was not claiming violent rape itself is an urban legend.
I was discussing his so called "pill party" urban legend.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AMIt's just how their brains are wired and nothing can change it.
So what you say is that they have no control over their depravity? How can you be criminally responsible for a miswired brain?
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 01:08:57 PM
I'd hope not but you never can tell with him.
I'd say it's quite easy to tell, actually. A combination of words, and common sense to glean the context of the conversation, is more than sufficient.
And, really, do you honestly think that calling me stupid is a tactic that has any chance of working? Yes, I have called you stupid in the past, but that's because you are just so incredibly dumb, and not even by Languish standards, but by any human standards you can think of.
I can see why you would want to call me stupid in retaliation, but the fact that it's a retort so transparent and divorced from reality just confirms my diagnosis that I have repeated so frequently. If you can't pull off being clever, and really, just take my word for it, you cannot, it's best to just play it straight.
If you want a valid retort, call me an asshole for mocking you for a disability that, truth be told, you have little control over. Some people just get dealt 72 offsuit, and no amount of determination will turn it into a pair of aces. I'll own up to being a bit of an asshole to you.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
Note: Yes, chemical castration will reduce the ability to get erect but not the desire.
All evidence I have seen is that chemical castration is designed to reduce testosterone, resulting in lower sex drive in men. This does, of course, suggest an easy way to mitigate the effects (take anabolic steroids) in the offender who isn't happy about the results.
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 01:08:57 PM
I'd hope not but you never can tell with him.
I'd say it's quite easy to tell, actually. A combination of words, and common sense to glean the context of the conversation, is more than sufficient.
And, really, do you honestly think that calling me stupid is a tactic that has any chance of working? Yes, I have called you stupid in the past, but that's because you are just so incredibly dumb, and not even by Languish standards, but by any human standards you can think of.
I can see why you would want to call me stupid in retaliation, but the fact that it's a retort so transparent and divorced from reality just confirms my diagnosis that I have repeated so frequently. If you can't pull off being clever, and really, just take my word for it, you cannot, it's best to just play it straight.
If you want a valid retort, call me an asshole for mocking you for a disability that, truth be told, you have little control over. Some people just get dealt 72 offsuit, and no amount of determination will turn it into a pair of aces. I'll own up to being a bit of an asshole to you.
:wacko:
Why are you deleting your posts anyway? :huh:
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Why are you deleting your posts anyway? :huh:
I deleted my post because responding to you has only one end. Alas, I did not delete it fast enough.
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:47:40 AM
I am not familiar with the sentencing laws for Georgia, so I cannot say when he might get paroled. The same applies to the typically conditions. I am not familiar with what conditions and rules that Georgia uses.
The standard NY ones are reporting to an office visit as directed, permitting the search of the parolee's residence, person, and property without a warrant, reporting contact with law enforcement, no contact with those known to have a criminal record, no leaving the State without permission, no possession of controlled substances not prescribed by a doctor or any drug paraphernalia, required to pay a supervision fee, no violating any laws which a parolee is subject which provide for a penalty of imprisonment nor threaten the safety and well-being of yourself or others, waive your right to resist extradition if you flee the State, and than the Parole Board will add some conditions, and than the Parole Officer will add some conditions.
Sex Offenders usually have 3-4 times as many conditions as a standard parolee.
This is a tricky case to determine how he would behave once he is released. Normally Sex Offenders have a low rate of committing crimes and violating their parole while under parole supervision. However, rapists are a different category of sex offender and often have a lot of issues resisting their urges. I'd need to know more about the details of the crime he committed. Was it date rape? He said/She said? Committed during another crime/ Is he a serial rapist? Etc, and so on.
How soon he can travel out of state is up to his State, conditions, and his Parole Officer. The standard response for NY is about 6 months before we will consider it unless it's a major event (mom/dad dying/died). Once again because of the nature of his crime, it is unlikely Georgia will want him out of the state and their supervision anytime soon.
Out of the country is usually out of the question. There are often too many legal questions concerning the country he is going to for Parole to even bother checking.
The first major concern is the likelyhood that he has AIDS or Hep C. He is a rapist who engaged in Sodomy. Chances are very good he was giving it and getting it while incarcerated.
I have found that prison marriages do not work, period. About 80% of my parolee's leave their wives within a few weeks of being released. A 100% have left them within the first year. The smarter ones will sue their spouses for support and/or make outrageous demands in return for a divorce.
The major reason they don't work is because people are different while in prison, and they change once they are released. While locked up, he has nothing to do 24/7 except write her or visit with her. He will give her all the attention she has previously lacked in a relationship because he has nothing else better to do. From her perspective, she is being treated like the most important thing in the world, and has been given fairytale promises of what life will be like when he gets out.
The reality, he will get out, have sex with her for a couple weeks, take her money, use her house/car, and probably have a new girlfriend within a week or so. That's if she is lucky. He will be a registered sex offender with a rape/robbery conviction which means he has little or no chance to get gainful employment. He may end up living off her for months until she gets disgusted to the point she wants to be free of him. If he is a stalker type than that may end up being a lot harder than she could ever imagine.
Usually having someone on the outside has little bearing on the parole proceedings. Relatives and romantic interests will say anything, and the Parole Board knows this. They will look at his crime, chances of his repeating it, and how bad the Board and State will look if he does. If they are like NY, they will reject the first 3-4 parole requests so that they look good if something happens farther down the line.
If you have anymore questions let me know?
Thanks for the info, very useful. :cheers:
I'l pm your the offenders details.
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
One of my tasks right now is to deal with this kind of bullshit, trying to get a car back for a woman who didn't have drugs on her and wasn't arrested. On a weed charge in the first place. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 15, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
One of my tasks right now is to deal with this kind of bullshit, trying to get a car back for a woman who didn't have drugs on her and wasn't arrested. On a weed charge in the first place. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: indeed.
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Quote from: The Brain on June 15, 2011, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 15, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
One of my tasks right now is to deal with this kind of bullshit, trying to get a car back for a woman who didn't have drugs on her and wasn't arrested. On a weed charge in the first place. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: indeed.
Your pic didn't show up for me, but, at any rate, the law is a real eye-roller. It's worse than Minsky suggests, actually. Not only do you not have to be charged with a crime in order for your property to be seized, no one at all has to be charged--indeed, as I understand it, the police can seize your property on mere suspicion that there has been a crime committed. I read a news article about one guy, a farmer or somesuch, who went to an equipment auction and took about $30,000 cash with him in case he put in any winning bids. He was in his normal work clothes, so not exactly fashionably dressed, and he happened to be pulled over for speeding. When he got his driver's license out of his wallet, the cop saw the large amount of cash he had on him, told him, "You don't look like you could have $30,000 legitimately. That must be drug money" and seized his cash and car on the spot, and just left him standing on the side of the road. And as Minsky said, the burden of proof was on him to show that he wasn't guilty of any crime in order to get his property back. At the time the article was written, he had gotten his car back, but not his money.
Your local PD needs their Escalades for their DARE vehicles.
Quote from: dps on June 15, 2011, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 15, 2011, 05:28:58 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on June 15, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
Really? The US has laws that allow the state to confiscate the property used in a crime, even if the owner is not criminally responsible? Whatever happened to sanctity of property? :huh:
One of my tasks right now is to deal with this kind of bullshit, trying to get a car back for a woman who didn't have drugs on her and wasn't arrested. On a weed charge in the first place. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: indeed.
Your pic didn't show up for me, but, at any rate, the law is a real eye-roller. It's worse than Minsky suggests, actually. Not only do you not have to be charged with a crime in order for your property to be seized, no one at all has to be charged--indeed, as I understand it, the police can seize your property on mere suspicion that there has been a crime committed. I read a news article about one guy, a farmer or somesuch, who went to an equipment auction and took about $30,000 cash with him in case he put in any winning bids. He was in his normal work clothes, so not exactly fashionably dressed, and he happened to be pulled over for speeding. When he got his driver's license out of his wallet, the cop saw the large amount of cash he had on him, told him, "You don't look like you could have $30,000 legitimately. That must be drug money" and seized his cash and car on the spot, and just left him standing on the side of the road. And as Minsky said, the burden of proof was on him to show that he wasn't guilty of any crime in order to get his property back. At the time the article was written, he had gotten his car back, but not his money.
Yeah, one of the many despicable outcomes of the "War on Drugs" is that possession of large amounts of cash by itself became practically criminalized.
Quote from: DGuller on June 15, 2011, 07:55:13 PM
Yeah, one of the many despicable outcomes of the "War on Drugs" is that possession of large amounts of cash by itself became practically criminalized.
Good. People walking around with lots of cash are strange.
Mississippi requires 85% of sentence; however, you get out early due to overcrowding. Non-violent offenders get preference, except for three-time drug offenders. Fucking federal drug crimes.
Quote from: Scipio on June 15, 2011, 08:35:27 PM
Mississippi requires 85% of sentence; however, you get out early due to overcrowding. Non-violent offenders get preference, except for three-time drug offenders. Fucking federal drug crimes.
Is Rape, aggravated sodomy, robbery or burglary considered a violent crime in Mississippi.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 15, 2011, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: Scipio on June 15, 2011, 08:35:27 PM
Mississippi requires 85% of sentence; however, you get out early due to overcrowding. Non-violent offenders get preference, except for three-time drug offenders. Fucking federal drug crimes.
Is Rape, aggravated sodomy, robbery or burglary considered a violent crime in Mississippi.
No, in Mississippi, they're considered civic duties.
Thanks for all the advice, I shall pass it all on; it will probably make no difference to this woman.
My next suggestion will be she might as well starts taking acid. <_<
Quote from: Malthus on June 15, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: Strix on June 15, 2011, 10:58:20 AM
Note: Yes, chemical castration will reduce the ability to get erect but not the desire. We had a rapist on chemical castration drugs who couldn't get it up for his next victim, so he killed her parrot and used that.
Good lord - it's like a Monty Python skit gone wrong! ;)
"Pushing up the daisies" just took on an entirely new connotation for me...
:unsure:
Predictable the woman involve took none of the 'evidence' present here at face value, but prefers the 'the knight in shining armour as a jailbird' narrative. :hmm:
Anyway, thanks to all those who contributed. :cheers:
Quote from: dps on June 15, 2011, 10:09:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 15, 2011, 08:39:58 PM
Quote from: Scipio on June 15, 2011, 08:35:27 PM
Mississippi requires 85% of sentence; however, you get out early due to overcrowding. Non-violent offenders get preference, except for three-time drug offenders. Fucking federal drug crimes.
Is Rape, aggravated sodomy, robbery or burglary considered a violent crime in Mississippi.
No, in Mississippi, they're considered civic duties.
Unlike West Virginia, where you get fined if you don't engage in them annually.
Quote from: mongers on June 27, 2011, 07:03:40 PM
Predictable the woman involve took none of the 'evidence' present here at face value, but prefers the 'the knight in shining armour as a jailbird' narrative. :hmm:
Anyway, thanks to all those who contributed. :cheers:
Well, if she's lucky he'll die in prison.