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Title: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 10:23:58 AM
I love my Camaro.  1998.  I still remember as it if was yesterday... But it's not yesterday :)

So, I'm thinking of changing it.

I like the exterior of the new Camaros, but I hate the retro interior.
I'm waiting 'til August to see the new ones, if they correct their awful mistake.

My friends howere are insisting I should go for an Audi or BMW.  But I can't really find an affordable model.  Sure, at 200 000$ and above, there's plenty of cars I like.  But I ain't a lawyer, so I have to settle for something below 40 000$, used or new.

Anyway, I'm looking various options.

First, what I don't want: SUVs, min-van, 4 doors, convertible.  I'll already have an SUV for winter time, a Kia something, slightly used, bought from a lady who drank&drove one too many times.  I don't necesserly need a 4-season cars, but if I can find something suitable, it'll be nice.

What I would like:
Something that has a good engine, a good performance, while not sacrificing fuel consumption (meaning below 9L/100km).  I don't need an 8 cyl. engine, a 6 cyl. will probably be enough, so no V12 Corvettes here.
I want something that looks nice, that has a semi-sport look.  No Miev here.  No PT Cruiser.  No ugly cars even if they're the most reliable or fuel efficient or most powerful in their category out there.

I don't mind buying a slightly used car, but I'd prefer rent a new one for 4-5 years if it's above 35-40k$ to buy rather than own a used car owned by a smoker or other people with such disgusting habits ( :yuk: :yuk: ).


Provide links or pictures if you can please.

Last note: price-wise, figure it's going to be 15-20% pricier than in the US and 15-20% cheaper than in Europe, after conversion in CAD$.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
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Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Tamas on June 09, 2011, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
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Hells yeah
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Caliga on June 09, 2011, 10:52:37 AM
I have to admit that I love the new Mustang. :blush:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 11:05:29 AM
I'd love to get one, but just the taxes would be around $300 000 here, and then it's the cost of the car in addition. Norwegians are sick, sick people.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on June 09, 2011, 11:15:55 AM
I did some used car shopping not too long ago. Ford Focuses (Foci?) and Hyundai Elantras  are pretty good and reliable, and at a few years old they usually aren't too expensive, either - about $13,000-15,000.

But I think you're looking for something flashier. Go for a BMW Z3 or Ford Mustang - both can be gotten for <$20,000 used. :showoff:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: The Brain on June 09, 2011, 11:54:55 AM
In Sweden BMW suffers from the stigma of being an immigrant's car, so many Swedes avoid them like the plague.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: JonasSalk on June 09, 2011, 01:20:30 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 09, 2011, 11:54:55 AM
In Sweden BMW suffers from the stigma of being an immigrant's car, so many Swedes avoid them like the plague.

That's funny. In America, we call BMW "Black Man's Wheels."
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 01:33:06 PM
You want a 370Z.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on June 09, 2011, 11:15:55 AM
I did some used car shopping not too long ago. Ford Focuses (Foci?) and Hyundai Elantras  are pretty good and reliable, and at a few years old they usually aren't too expensive, either - about $13,000-15,000.

But I think you're looking for something flashier. Go for a BMW Z3 or Ford Mustang - both can be gotten for <$20,000 used. :showoff:
BMW Z3/Z4 are convertible cars.  I don't mind having a car for summers only, but I mind having a car I can really use only 2 weeks a year.

The Shelby GT 500 starts at 60 000$.
The regular Mustang ain't so bad.  I'd need to check it out.  Nearest Ford dealer is in Quebec city though.

oh, no Focus, no Elantra.
The Hyunday Genesis looks good though.  Have to take a closer look at this.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Grey Fox on June 09, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
No. You already have a car. You don't need a second one. What you need is an Harley Davidson.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 01:54:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 01:33:06 PM
You want a 370Z.
Looks nice :)

This is what I like :)  A bunch of cars I never tought of :)  Keep 'em coming :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: DGuller on June 09, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
I've been really impressed with Audis, and some more basic models are under $40k.  Don't be fooled by the 4-cylinder engine in them, the turbo-4 in the entry-level Audis is about equivalent to V6, and is much more zippy.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 09, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
No. You already have a car. You don't need a second one. What you need is an Harley Davidson.
I don't like bikes, especially these.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 09, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
I've been really impressed with Audis, and some more basic models are under $40k.  Don't be fooled by the 4-cylinder engine in them, the turbo-4 in the entry-level Audis is about equivalent to V6, and is much more zippy.
I don't really like the exterior of most of the Audis.  And they are very hard to find used around here.  New one wouldn't be a problem, if only I had unlimited funding :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: DGuller on June 09, 2011, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 02:06:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on June 09, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
I've been really impressed with Audis, and some more basic models are under $40k.  Don't be fooled by the 4-cylinder engine in them, the turbo-4 in the entry-level Audis is about equivalent to V6, and is much more zippy.
I don't really like the exterior of most of the Audis.  And they are very hard to find used around here.  New one wouldn't be a problem, if only I had unlimited funding :)
The new Audi I was looking at came in under $40k, although I don't know how that translates to Canadian prices.  The biggest reason I didn't buy it was that my own Jetta gave me a better bang for the buck, and has pretty much the same 2.0t engine that I absolutely love.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
Apparently viper ignored my post.

You want a Nissan 370Z.  It meets your criteria.  Prices start at $40k, so you can certainly buy a slightly used one for $35.  V6 engine, 320hp.  Modern looking interior and exterior.  Very sporty - it should be a nice transition from your Camaro.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on June 09, 2011, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on June 09, 2011, 11:15:55 AM
I did some used car shopping not too long ago. Ford Focuses (Foci?) and Hyundai Elantras  are pretty good and reliable, and at a few years old they usually aren't too expensive, either - about $13,000-15,000.

But I think you're looking for something flashier. Go for a BMW Z3 or Ford Mustang - both can be gotten for <$20,000 used. :showoff:
BMW Z3/Z4 are convertible cars.  I don't mind having a car for summers only, but I mind having a car I can really use only 2 weeks a year.

The Shelby GT 500 starts at 60 000$.
The regular Mustang ain't so bad.  I'd need to check it out.  Nearest Ford dealer is in Quebec city though.

oh, no Focus, no Elantra.
The Hyunday Genesis looks good though.  Have to take a closer look at this.

Oh that's right, you live in a perpetual winter wonderland.
Get a Zamboni then.  :P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Berkut on June 09, 2011, 03:37:50 PM
If you want something sporty, go for a Subara Impreza WRX STI.

All wheel drive, so it is perfectly functional in the snow!

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autocardesign.net%2Fimages%2F2011%2F03%2F2011-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STI-1.jpg&hash=9685891ed4e95dadade859e7a117afe8aec1fec1)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 03:40:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 09, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
Apparently viper ignored my post.

You want a Nissan 370Z.  It meets your criteria.  Prices start at $40k, so you can certainly buy a slightly used one for $35.  V6 engine, 320hp.  Modern looking interior and exterior.  Very sporty - it should be a nice transition from your Camaro.
I did not, I said it was a nice car.  I'll have to see it.
I've already found one, a 2009 in need or repairs for 13k$.  But I want to see a working, live one, first :)

I'm a bit limited by the local dealers, there's only a GM dealer locally.  A few more brands 80km from here, but otherwise, it's all in Quebec city.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 03:40:58 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on June 09, 2011, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 01:45:03 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on June 09, 2011, 11:15:55 AM
I did some used car shopping not too long ago. Ford Focuses (Foci?) and Hyundai Elantras  are pretty good and reliable, and at a few years old they usually aren't too expensive, either - about $13,000-15,000.

But I think you're looking for something flashier. Go for a BMW Z3 or Ford Mustang - both can be gotten for <$20,000 used. :showoff:
BMW Z3/Z4 are convertible cars.  I don't mind having a car for summers only, but I mind having a car I can really use only 2 weeks a year.

The Shelby GT 500 starts at 60 000$.
The regular Mustang ain't so bad.  I'd need to check it out.  Nearest Ford dealer is in Quebec city though.

oh, no Focus, no Elantra.
The Hyunday Genesis looks good though.  Have to take a closer look at this.

Oh that's right, you live in a perpetual winter wonderland.
Get a Zamboni then.  :P
yes, if there was a giant ice wall in our country, I would be north of it :P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on June 09, 2011, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 09, 2011, 03:37:50 PM
If you want something sporty, go for a Subara Impreza WRX STI.

All wheel drive, so it is perfectly functional in the snow!

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autocardesign.net%2Fimages%2F2011%2F03%2F2011-Subaru-Impreza-WRX-STI-1.jpg&hash=9685891ed4e95dadade859e7a117afe8aec1fec1)

:bleeding:  That's a really fucking ugly car right there.

Edit:  Is that what they really look like now?  That picture is the only one I've seen that looks like that, the rest have 4 doors, and don't look so weird.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: MadImmortalMan on June 09, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
That one's modded. They look fine, and it really is a good car.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on June 09, 2011, 04:13:12 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 09, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
That one's modded. They look fine, and it really is a good car.

That one is missing the rear doors, which is why it looks so fucked up.  Real ones don't appear so squashed.  They've also shopped the front end and made it look like a riced out Focus.

Edit: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cars.com%2Ffeatures%2Fautoshows%2F2010%2Fnewyork%2Fcoverage%2Fimages%2F2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti%2F2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_0_430.jpg&hash=2cb6b4fab8d10dbc457da57454768a5d451b9641)

That's obviously not the 5 door version, but it looks much better (than the shop up above, the 5 door is fine too).  It does fit the OP's criteria too, as Berk said.  They're really fun to drive, or at least the 2006 models were.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Berkut on June 09, 2011, 10:26:18 PM
Jesus, that does look all fucked up. I think I right clicked on the wrong pic. The regular STIs look pretty cool, especially for a four door.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: PRC on June 10, 2011, 12:02:57 AM
Get a Delica and convert it to run on vegetable oil.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Pedrito on June 10, 2011, 03:28:44 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi132.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq2%2FPedrito2007%2F00032235.jpg&hash=efb5c7aa2a1c46c84b8ad483972a8a420fba89ef)

new Alfa Romeo Giulietta. 235 hp, very zippy engine, italian style.

Otherwise, I heartily support the Subaru.

L.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:12:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
<pic of Cobra orgasm>

I'll have to get a pic of my boss's GT500 Cobra show car he's tweaked. 890 hp. Doesn't even drive it.  Just tows it around from show to show, winning trophies.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:20:31 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 10:23:58 AMMy friends howere are insisting I should go for an Audi or BMW.  But I can't really find an affordable model.  Sure, at 200 000$ and above, there's plenty of cars I like.  But I ain't a lawyer, so I have to settle for something below 40 000$, used or new.

While I am now a full-fledged convert to Wrangler Nation and recommend such, you're not going 4x4 this time. Honestly though, during my car-shopping a few months ago I was highly impressed with the Chevy Cruze and the Ford Fusion upgrades as affordable domestic cars with a lot of get-up-and-go.   Especially the upgraded packages.  A LOT of car and options for a decent price.


Chevy Cruze RS.

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Ford Fusion Sport

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Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:26:10 AM
Oh, and in the other realistically-affordable category, I was also impressed with the new Mazdas.  Been seeing a lot of them pop up recently with the twenty-somethings at work.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 05:32:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:12:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
<pic of Cobra orgasm>

I'll have to get a pic of my boss's GT500 Cobra show car he's tweaked. 890 hp. Doesn't even drive it.  Just tows it around from show to show, winning trophies.

:D

While searching for the pricetag in Norway, I came a cross something similarly done, and the seller was keen to note that "this car can't be registered in Norway due to extensive modifications".

Dunno what the fuck good a $400 000 vehicle will do when you can't even legally roll it down your own drive-way.

Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:40:07 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 05:32:01 AM
Dunno what the fuck good a $400 000 vehicle will do when you can't even legally roll it down your own drive-way.

Sometimes, you simply can't put a price tag on CAM2-fueled testosterone.

But his weekend driver is a tweaked '68 Camaro SS.  Rode in it a few weeks ago, actually felt the G forces.


edit--oh, and another reason he doesn't drive his Cobra: the appraisal value actually drops over $1,000 USD for every 100 miles on the odometer.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:40:07 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 05:32:01 AM
Dunno what the fuck good a $400 000 vehicle will do when you can't even legally roll it down your own drive-way.

Sometimes, you simply can't put a price tag on CAM2-fueled testosterone.

But his weekend driver is a tweaked '68 Camaro SS.  Rode in it a few weeks ago, actually felt the G forces.


edit--oh, and another reason he doesn't drive his Cobra: the appraisal value actually drops over $1,000 USD for every 100 miles on the odometer.

I see.

But really, if you have the money to get it and trick it out, dropping value is a poor excuse for not using it.

Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:57:21 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 05:53:46 AM
But really, if you have the money to get it and trick it out, dropping value is a poor excuse for not using it.

Oh, I totally agree, a car unused is a useless car; but those guys in the "zomg-all-the-serial-numbers-on-all-1,200-moving-parts-MUST-match" auto circles are worse than wargame collectors when it comes to mint-condition.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 06:02:18 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 05:53:46 AMBut really, if you have the money to get it and trick it out, dropping value is a poor excuse for not using it.

And in his Cobra's case, the gear ratio is timed so tight, only his mechanic drives it.  My boss would probably blow the transmission getting out of 2nd gear.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Slargos on June 10, 2011, 06:12:32 AM
Well that would explain it I suppose.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 06:15:53 AM
Still a waste, though.  Like being married to one of the most beautiful women on earth, but only for immigration and healthcare purposes.  No touchy.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Neil on June 10, 2011, 07:54:33 AM
I don't know how things work in Quebec, but the only people I see in Mustangs out here are chicks and immigrants.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Ed Anger on June 10, 2011, 07:58:14 AM
:yes:

The Mustang is a chick car. Along with old purple camaros.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Scipio on June 10, 2011, 08:17:08 AM
Kia Optima Turbo.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on June 10, 2011, 09:39:10 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 10, 2011, 03:28:44 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi132.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq2%2FPedrito2007%2F00032235.jpg&hash=efb5c7aa2a1c46c84b8ad483972a8a420fba89ef)

new Alfa Romeo Giulietta. 235 hp, very zippy engine, italian style.

Otherwise, I heartily support the Subaru.

L.
nice car, but it's not available in Canada, nor the US, I believe.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on June 10, 2011, 09:45:32 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 10, 2011, 09:39:10 AM
nice car, but it's not available in Canada, nor the US, I believe.

Alfa is supposed to be coming back to the US soon (or already has, I don't know), so they might also be headed to Canada as well.  Don't know about models or anything though.

Edit:  According to this article I'm looking at, it's 2012 that they'll be showing up here, and that particular car is expected to be one that they sell.   Then again, here's another one that says it won't, just that the chassis and engines will be used in some Chrysler models.  Okay then.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on June 10, 2011, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on June 10, 2011, 03:28:44 AM

new Alfa Romeo Giulietta. 235 hp, very zippy engine, italian style.

Otherwise, I heartily support the Subaru.

L.
The car sharing program that I participate in has Alfa Romeo Mitos, the little brother of this. Very nice car and feels like a more expensive car inside.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on June 10, 2011, 02:15:11 PM
A used Mercedes E-class Coupé. As the MSRP is 60k, you should get a used one for less than 40k.

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Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 18, 2011, 04:31:35 PM
I think I found one.  I couldn't find a used 370z (I actually missed one that was destroyed, on sale for 15k$), sorry BB.

I found a Mercedes C230, 2008 for 24500-26500$ (I found 2, actually, one in Montreal, one in Quebec city).  Think I'm gonna try it this week-end, if they're open.  Will see how I like this :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 18, 2011, 04:31:35 PM
I think I found one.  I couldn't find a used 370z (I actually missed one that was destroyed, on sale for 15k$), sorry BB.

I found a Mercedes C230, 2008 for 24500-26500$ (I found 2, actually, one in Montreal, one in Quebec city).  Think I'm gonna try it this week-end, if they're open.  Will see how I like this :)

It's not as if I'm a Nissan shareholder - you don't need to apologize to me. :lol:  I just thought it might meet your requirements.

Is the Mercedes a coupe or a sedan?
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 18, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:12:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
<pic of Cobra orgasm>

I'll have to get a pic of my boss's GT500 Cobra show car he's tweaked. 890 hp. Doesn't even drive it.  Just tows it around from show to show, winning trophies.

:lol:
What's the point of 900 hp in that car? He'll be lucky to get a third of that on the ground.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 18, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:12:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
<pic of Cobra orgasm>

I'll have to get a pic of my boss's GT500 Cobra show car he's tweaked. 890 hp. Doesn't even drive it.  Just tows it around from show to show, winning trophies.

:lol:
What's the point of 900 hp in that car? He'll be lucky to get a third of that on the ground.
What's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Ed Anger on October 18, 2011, 05:16:31 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 18, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 10, 2011, 05:12:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on June 09, 2011, 10:26:42 AM
<pic of Cobra orgasm>

I'll have to get a pic of my boss's GT500 Cobra show car he's tweaked. 890 hp. Doesn't even drive it.  Just tows it around from show to show, winning trophies.

:lol:
What's the point of 900 hp in that car? He'll be lucky to get a third of that on the ground.

The vibration in the crotch.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 18, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PM
What's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.

Spoken like the kind of guy who gets rear-ended for going too slow.  :P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 18, 2011, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PM
What's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.

Some people like to go to the track. I do remember a video of a guy in a Veyron in a circuit.

That being said, 900 HP are not my thing, I'm more of a light car and lots of bends guy. Speaking of which, I  have to go to the track one of these days to try a 125cc Rotax kart. Mate of mine went this week and he could barely move today. :lol:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 07:16:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 18, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PM
What's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.

Spoken like the kind of guy who gets rear-ended for going too slow.  :P
You're supposed to go slow at a red light.  :mad:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Razgovory on October 18, 2011, 07:24:08 PM
I thought you were suppose to stop at a red light.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Tonitrus on October 18, 2011, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 18, 2011, 07:24:08 PM
I thought you were suppose to stop at a red light.

This isn't Russia.  :mad:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 18, 2011, 07:24:08 PM
I thought you were suppose to stop at a red light.
Technically, yes.  But, technically, you're also supposed to not exceed the speed limit, or drive on the right side of the road.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: garbon on October 18, 2011, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
Technically, yes. But, technically, you're also supposed to not exceed the speed limit, or drive on the right side of the road.

What is this, England?! :angry:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PMWhat's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.
The strongest car I drove so far was a Merc S500 with 400 hp. The charm is that you can always accelerate. Going up a hill and everybody gets slower? Get into the left land and accelerate to 250 kph.  :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 12:37:33 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 18, 2011, 04:31:35 PMI found a Mercedes C230, 2008 for 24500-26500$ (I found 2, actually, one in Montreal, one in Quebec city).  Think I'm gonna try it this week-end, if they're open.  Will see how I like this :)
Is the Mercedes a coupe or a sedan?
Must be sedan as the C class wasn't made as a coupe in 2008.

I didn't even know they make the 6 cylinder engine with such a small volume. Seems a bit pointless when you get the same power out of a 4 cylinder engine for less fuel. Then again it should mean that the engine will have less mechanical stress and thus should run much longer and probably smoother too.

I drove a car with that engine, but with 3.5l instead of 2.5l like in the C230. It's fairly powerful then and fun to drive.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Is the Mercedes a coupe or a sedan?
Coupe, sport package :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 01:09:07 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 12:37:33 AM
Must be sedan as the C class wasn't made as a coupe in 2008.

I didn't even know they make the 6 cylinder engine with such a small volume. Seems a bit pointless when you get the same power out of a 4 cylinder engine for less fuel. Then again it should mean that the engine will have less mechanical stress and thus should run much longer and probably smoother too.

I drove a car with that engine, but with 3.5l instead of 2.5l like in the C230. It's fairly powerful then and fun to drive.
It's advertised as a coupe, but I haven't seen it yet.  It was an exclusive for Canada around this time, apparently.
It's a small engine, but judging by the specs, it would be only a tad slower than my Camaro (1 more second for 0-100km, but it's AWD, so I can drive it all year long.   

Not a done deal yet, I do need to try the car and see if I like it.  Otherwise, I'll still need to search for a winter car, and buy a sports car next summer. 

The Subaru looks nice, but I can't find a used one, and the new ones are a tad pricey with the financing.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: DGuller on October 19, 2011, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PMWhat's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.
The strongest car I drove so far was a Merc S500 with 400 hp. The charm is that you can always accelerate. Going up a hill and everybody gets slower? Get into the left land and accelerate to 250 kph.  :)
:mad:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 09:54:34 AM
If you are interested in the Subaru, Mitsubishi makes a very similar beast, also derived from their rally car: the Lancer Evolution.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
That looks really nice... thanks Iormlund! :)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hgregoire.com%2Fstockimg%2FH0326%2F456720_301x243.jpg&hash=2a57ddced1e04c582fa8d07b8e2715e67fdc7ea5)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 19, 2011, 08:33:36 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 12:32:11 AM
Quote from: DGuller on October 18, 2011, 05:14:41 PMWhat's the point of 900 hp in any car, or even half that?  All that's giving you is a temptation to lose your license.
The strongest car I drove so far was a Merc S500 with 400 hp. The charm is that you can always accelerate. Going up a hill and everybody gets slower? Get into the left land and accelerate to 250 kph.  :)
:mad:
Yeah, I also find it annoying that they electronically limit the car to 250 kph.  :P

An aquaintance of mine recently told me "I am in the 300 club now" - he had driven a Mercedes SLS at night and reached a top speed in excees of 300 kph (186 kph). I hope I'll get a chance for that sometime.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 01:06:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 04:36:03 PM
Is the Mercedes a coupe or a sedan?
Coupe, sport package :)
Is it the CLC then? If so, consider this: underneath the facelifted design, it's a technically old car based on model year 2000 C class, not the model year 2007 C class. And it's made in Brazil and I have no idea how the quality standard there was.

If you can afford it, my suggestion to get an E class coupe still stands. That's a proper Mercedes.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
That looks really nice... thanks Iormlund! :)

Yeah, it looks a lot better than the Impreza IMHO. It's a pity they don't make them anymore.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on October 19, 2011, 11:12:49 AM
I think you'll have problems finding a used Mitsu Evo.  I don't think I've ever seen one on the roads.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:21:22 AM
:huh: I've seen a few.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on October 19, 2011, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:21:22 AM
:huh: I've seen a few.

You also live in Spain.

Viper lives in Canada.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:34:55 AM
Yeah, the AWD and snow settings would be much more useful there. :P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on October 19, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:34:55 AM
Yeah, the AWD and snow settings would be much more useful there. :P

A quick google reveals that the Evo was not available in Canada until the 2008 model year due to not meeting low speed collision requirements.

And even then Mitsubishi itself was not in the Canadian market for a number of years, and only re-entered Canada within the last 10 years or so.  As such its dealer network is very small, and you see very few Mitsubishis of any model on the road.

:P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:49:54 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 19, 2011, 11:41:51 AM
A quick google reveals that the Evo was not available in Canada until the 2008 model year due to not meeting low speed collision requirements.

Silly Canucks. When have you heard of an Evo colliding at low speed? :P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 11:06:34 AM

Is it the CLC then? If so, consider this: underneath the facelifted design, it's a technically old car based on model year 2000 C class, not the model year 2007 C class. And it's made in Brazil and I have no idea how the quality standard there was.

If you can afford it, my suggestion to get an E class coupe still stands. That's a proper Mercedes.

No really, it's a 2008 C-230, unique to Canada for this year, at least.
http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/test-drive-2008-mercedes-benz-c230-4matic (http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/test-drive-2008-mercedes-benz-c230-4matic)
QuoteAlongside the B-Class hatchback – a model not sold in the U.S. –  Mercedes now offers the Canada-only C230, the new entry-level version of  the C-Class, itself the starting point for Mercedes' sedans.

And here is the one (http://www.presqueneuf.ca/Mercedes-Benz_C230_C230W_2008/1666844/PageSiteMarchand.aspx?site=http://autoeleganceselect.ca) I'm looking forward to test.


Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 11:10:22 AM
Yeah, it looks a lot better than the Impreza IMHO. It's a pity they don't make them anymore.
They do... At least for Canada.  And there are a few out there. Actually, I just found one right near me, though it's an automatic.  I'm hesitant, and it is pricey, 10 000$ more than a manual one I found in Montreal, but it also has 80 000km less...
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 12:34:02 PM
Be warned, they are not exactly cheap to own either. At least the older models were not.

On the other hand, you can run circles around anything you meet out there.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 12:40:27 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 12:34:02 PM
Be warned, they are not exactly cheap to own either.
Gaz? Big Repairs?  Small repairs?
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Gas, tires, low mileage between servicing, that kind of thing. Of course most of that will depend on how you drive the car.

You can use it to commute and do the shopping, but also -- and as ridiculous as it sounds -- that thing can perform as well as a Porsche, Ferrari etc. It IS a rally car under the paintjob.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Grey Fox on October 19, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
Might be cheaper to buy a brand new Mitso then trying to find an used one.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 01:10:54 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 12:08:10 PMNo really, it's a 2008 C-230, unique to Canada for this year, at least.
http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/test-drive-2008-mercedes-benz-c230-4matic (http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/test-drive-2008-mercedes-benz-c230-4matic)
QuoteAlongside the B-Class hatchback – a model not sold in the U.S. –  Mercedes now offers the Canada-only C230, the new entry-level version of  the C-Class, itself the starting point for Mercedes' sedans.
That's not a coupe though, but a sedan - it's got four doors after all. It's a very good car. I've driven a few and like them, never with that particular engine though as it isn't sold in Germany. The interior is a bit bland, maybe not what you would expect from a Mercedes.

QuoteAnd here is the one (http://www.presqueneuf.ca/Mercedes-Benz_C230_C230W_2008/1666844/PageSiteMarchand.aspx?site=http://autoeleganceselect.ca) I'm looking forward to test.
I see that it has the automatic transmission. That's good as it is annoying with a six gear manual.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 19, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
Might be cheaper to buy a brand new Mitso then trying to find an used one.
45K$ dude...  compared to 23k-33k$ for a 2008.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 06:42:23 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 19, 2011, 01:10:54 PM
I see that it has the automatic transmission. That's good as it is annoying with a six gear manual.
from what I've read, these are sort of like hybrid transmission.  Never driven one of those, never driver a Mercedes, so I'll have to try.

Not many used E series around, from what I've seen.  None that I like anyway, but the price, while being on the upper limit of what I can afford now seems reasonable.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Grey Fox on October 20, 2011, 07:03:59 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 06:34:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 19, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
Might be cheaper to buy a brand new Mitso then trying to find an used one.
45K$ dude...  compared to 23k-33k$ for a 2008.

You don't have to get the Evolution. The Ralliart is good enough. Hell, the regular Lancer is good enough, starting at 15k.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 20, 2011, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Gas, tires, low mileage between servicing, that kind of thing. Of course most of that will depend on how you drive the car.
given my funds right now, I'm gonna drive like a grandma  <_<

funny thing, looking at fuel consumption, I get very different numbers from where I read them... official numbers for the 2010/2011 models is 12 L/100km city, 9.7 highway, while the used car dealers advertizes it as 9L/100km city, 7.1 highway... hmm.  Unless the 2008 model was way more efficient than the 2010 and 2011, I smell something fishy there...

For the tires, I learn my lesson with my Camaro :)  These big, great looking tires with an high-performance rating barely last the summer...  And they cost a lot of $$ in speeding tickets.  Right now, I got grandma's tires, they've been there for the last 3-4 summers, barely half used.  Only 2 speeding tickets in that time.  Got to watch how I take my curves, though.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 20, 2011, 09:57:23 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 20, 2011, 07:03:59 AM
You don't have to get the Evolution. The Ralliart is good enough. Hell, the regular Lancer is good enough, starting at 15k.
The regular Lancer looks... plain.  Wich would be a nice if I was Amish, the kind who drive cars, but I ain't.
I need good looks for my car, and something under the hood.

The Ralliart doesn't look so bad, though.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 20, 2011, 10:54:30 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 20, 2011, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Gas, tires, low mileage between servicing, that kind of thing. Of course most of that will depend on how you drive the car.
given my funds right now, I'm gonna drive like a grandma  <_<

funny thing, looking at fuel consumption, I get very different numbers from where I read them... official numbers for the 2010/2011 models is 12 L/100km city, 9.7 highway, while the used car dealers advertizes it as 9L/100km city, 7.1 highway... hmm.  Unless the 2008 model was way more efficient than the 2010 and 2011, I smell something fishy there...

For the tires, I learn my lesson with my Camaro :)  These big, great looking tires with an high-performance rating barely last the summer...  And they cost a lot of $$ in speeding tickets.  Right now, I got grandma's tires, they've been there for the last 3-4 summers, barely half used.  Only 2 speeding tickets in that time.  Got to watch how I take my curves, though.

If you can take a curve in a Camaro, you can take it in an Evo. Unlike muscle cars, these are all about grip. They are designed to get around bends as fast as possible, rather than just having high straight line speed.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 21, 2011, 03:49:20 PM
I tried the Evo.  The MR 2008, with the Sportstronic transmission.  When you use the "normal" mode, it performs about the same as my Camaro.  But once you use the sports mode... wow!  I'm fucking impressed.  You're actually crushed to your seat and you ain't even speeding that much.  Makes me doubt myself, as I was sure I'd buy the manual model, not that semi-automatic thing... but wow, just wow!  What a power and grip, this car has.

This is a car for me.  If I was still 20 years old :D

Though I could afford the car, I'm unsure I can control myself with such a beast in my hands.

I'm not that well seated though, and I'm concerned about the fuel consumption, even using the standard transmission mode.

I'm trying the Mercedes next tuesday, couldn't make it to Quebec city yesterday night.
If I don't fall in love with that car, I think I'll ask to rent the Evo for a full week-end, to make my mind.

But what a car.   :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Iormlund on October 22, 2011, 07:15:16 AM
I warned you.  :P
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Zanza on October 22, 2011, 07:33:16 AM
If that's what you are looking for in a car, testing the Mercedes seems pointless as it's not that kind of car.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Siege on October 24, 2011, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 09, 2011, 10:23:58 AM
I love my Camaro.  1998.  I still remember as it if was yesterday... But it's not yesterday :)

So, I'm thinking of changing it.

I like the exterior of the new Camaros, but I hate the retro interior.
I'm waiting 'til August to see the new ones, if they correct their awful mistake.

My friends howere are insisting I should go for an Audi or BMW.  But I can't really find an affordable model.  Sure, at 200 000$ and above, there's plenty of cars I like.  But I ain't a lawyer, so I have to settle for something below 40 000$, used or new.

Anyway, I'm looking various options.

First, what I don't want: SUVs, min-van, 4 doors, convertible.  I'll already have an SUV for winter time, a Kia something, slightly used, bought from a lady who drank&drove one too many times.  I don't necesserly need a 4-season cars, but if I can find something suitable, it'll be nice.

What I would like:
Something that has a good engine, a good performance, while not sacrificing fuel consumption (meaning below 9L/100km).  I don't need an 8 cyl. engine, a 6 cyl. will probably be enough, so no V12 Corvettes here.
I want something that looks nice, that has a semi-sport look.  No Miev here.  No PT Cruiser.  No ugly cars even if they're the most reliable or fuel efficient or most powerful in their category out there.

I don't mind buying a slightly used car, but I'd prefer rent a new one for 4-5 years if it's above 35-40k$ to buy rather than own a used car owned by a smoker or other people with such disgusting habits ( :yuk: :yuk: ).


Provide links or pictures if you can please.

Last note: price-wise, figure it's going to be 15-20% pricier than in the US and 15-20% cheaper than in Europe, after conversion in CAD$.


Eclipse 2012.
Accept no sustitute.
Go for black, though.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmautos.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F07%2FEclipse-Exterior.jpg&hash=ee5fbd80513af44ebefed411a76de4c9b625a413)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Tonitrus on October 24, 2011, 08:28:50 PM
Isn't Mitsubishi the loser of Japanese automakers?
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 24, 2011, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: Zanza on October 22, 2011, 07:33:16 AM
If that's what you are looking for in a car, testing the Mercedes seems pointless as it's not that kind of car.
I know it's not the same kind of car.  I don't want to try similar cars, I want to get different feelings, see if I'm mature enough to drive an old person's car like a Mercedes (the one with the "flying" doors looks nice though :P ) or if I'm still young at heart, yet mature enough to drive such a powerful car as the Evo.  :)

I'll make my mind tomorrow about comfort vs speed :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Caliga on October 24, 2011, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 24, 2011, 08:28:50 PM
Isn't Mitsubishi the loser of Japanese automakers?
Yeah, they should have stuck to building warplanes. :)
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 26, 2011, 08:32:26 AM
As expected, this car is slow.  Slower than my Camaro, wich is disapointing a little.

But what it lacks in speed, it makes it in comfort.  The last car I drove wich was like that was my father's old (1986) Oldsmobile 98.
I'm very weel seated, it has leg room on the back seat, a huge trunk, and all the gizmos you'd expect.  The sound system is disapointing though.  It's an old man's car for sure.  But I'm getting old, apparently.

Comfort on one side, pure raw power on the other.  Safety on one side, no more driving license on the other...
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Barrister on October 26, 2011, 08:34:18 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 26, 2011, 08:32:26 AM
As expected, this car is slow.  Slower than my Camaro, wich is disapointing a little.

But what it lacks in speed, it makes it in comfort.  The last car I drove wich was like that was my father's old (1986) Oldsmobile 98.
I'm very weel seated, it has leg room on the back seat, a huge trunk, and all the gizmos you'd expect.  The sound system is disapointing though.  It's an old man's car for sure.  But I'm getting old, apparently.

Comfort on one side, pure raw power on the other.  Safety on one side, no more driving license on the other...

I'm pretty sure you're going to give Zanza a stroke by comparing a Benz to an '86 Oldsmobile.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 26, 2011, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 26, 2011, 08:34:18 AM
I'm pretty sure you're going to give Zanza a stroke by comparing a Benz to an '86 Oldsmobile.
Sorry Zanza :(
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on October 28, 2011, 09:38:09 AM
99% chance I'm going for the Mercedes.  Waiting for a callback from the salesman, see if my offer is accepted.

I'm trying, really, really, trying to convince myself I'm doing the right thing.  Closer to 40 than 20.  Semi-girlfriend.  Maybe kids at some point.  I'm almost a grown up man now.  What's a little less power when you got comfort...  gotta go or I'm gonna cry.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Grey Fox on October 28, 2011, 10:00:40 AM
Viper, you are not a responsible human being, stop trying to become one.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on November 07, 2011, 09:51:03 AM
Got the Mercedes.  And all 4 mag wheels are spotted.  Fuck.  This is why I never bought used car.  There's no way I could have seen this under the cover of darkness.  I don't think I'll get anything for that, but I'll try my luck anyway.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Grey Fox on November 07, 2011, 10:22:55 AM
What does spotted means?
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: viper37 on November 07, 2011, 02:20:59 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 07, 2011, 10:22:55 AM
What does spotted means?
scratched.  Badly scratched for 2 of them, barely acceptable for the 2 others.
As if the previous owner drove alongside the sidewalk.
Title: Re: Help me choose a new car
Post by: Grey Fox on November 08, 2011, 08:31:52 AM
Ah.

Sorry, mate.