http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_triangle_fire_remembered
QuoteIt was a warm spring Saturday when dozens of immigrant girls and women leapt to their deaths — some with their clothes on fire, some holding hands — as horrified onlookers watched the Triangle Shirtwaist factory burn.
The March 25, 1911, fire that killed 146 workers became a touchstone for the organized labor movement, spurred laws that required fire drills and shed light on the lives of young immigrant workers near the turn of the century.
The 100th anniversary comes as public workers in Wisconsin, Ohio and elsewhere protest efforts to limit collective bargaining rights in response to state budget woes. Labor leaders and others say one need only look to the Triangle fire to see why unions are crucial.
"This is a story that needs to be told and retold," said Cecilia Rubino, the writer-director of "From the Fire," an oratorio inspired by the Triangle fire. "We don't have that many moments in our history where you see so clearly the gears of history shift."
To mark the centennial, hundreds of theatrical performances, museum exhibits, lectures, poetry readings, rallies and panel discussions are taking place nationwide. Two documentaries have aired on TV; PBS' "Triangle Fire" premiered Feb. 28 and HBO's "Triangle: Remembering the Fire" on Monday.
Descendants of victims and survivors of the fire will gather Friday for a procession to the site in Manhattan's Greenwich Village. The building now houses New York University classrooms and labs.
Suzanne Pred Bass, a Manhattan psychotherapist and theater producer, is the great-niece of Katie Weiner, who survived the Triangle fire, and of Rose Weiner, who did not.
Bass ticked off the reasons why people remain fascinated by the Triangle fire after 100 years.
"It's the youth of these women," she said. "It's the tragedy, it's the changes it spawned and it's the immigrant experience."
The fire started at end of the workday and raced from the eighth floor to the ninth and 10th. As hundreds of workers — mainly Jewish and Italian immigrant women and girls, the youngest 14 — tried to escape, they found a crucial door apparently locked.
"They were panic-stricken," said Eileen Nevitt, whose grandmother Annie Sprinsock survived. "It was hellacious, and they ran for their lives the best they could."
Firefighters rushed to the scene and raised their ladders, which reached only to the sixth floor. The fire was under control in 18 minutes — too late.
At the trial later that year of Triangle owners Max Blanck and Isaac Harris on manslaughter charges, survivors testified that their escape had been blocked by a locked door on the ninth floor. Some said the door was kept locked to prevent theft.
Katie Weiner said she felt for the door, which she could not see in the smoke, and turned the knob.
"I pushed it toward myself and I couldn't open it and then I pushed it inward and it wouldn't go and I then cried out, 'The door is locked!'" she testified.
Meanwhile, the elevator shuttled up and down carrying as many workers as could cram into it. Weiner joined the crush for the last elevator but was pushed back. She testified that she grabbed the elevator cable and threw herself in, landing on girls' heads. She was the last person out of the burning building.
The jury heard from 155 witnesses before returning a verdict of not guilty.
"I believed that the door was locked at the time of the fire," one juror said. "But we couldn't find them guilty unless we believed they knew the door was locked."
Workers' advocates continued to blame Blanck and Harris, who had resisted a union drive in 1909.
Blanck's granddaughter Susan Harris said she is saddened when people demonize her grandfather, who died before she was born
"It's really important for them, I think, to have a villain," she said.
Blanck and Harris were on the 10th floor when the fire started and were able to escape to the roof. But several of Susan Harris' relatives died in the fire, including Jacob, Essie and Morris Bernstein, members of Blanck's wife's family who worked at Triangle.
Harris lives in Los Angeles but is spending March in New York to take part in Triangle commemorations. An artwork she created to honor the fire victims — made of antique shirtwaists and handkerchiefs — will be displayed at the New York City Fire Museum for a month.
One witness to the Triangle workers' death plunges was Frances Perkins, who later became the first female Cabinet member when President Franklin Roosevelt appointed her secretary of labor. Perkins was having tea nearby and heard the commotion. She ran to the scene as the first body hit the ground.
"That fire is the event that changed her life and that really changed the course of American history," said Kirsten Downey, author of a book about Perkins, "The Woman Behind the New Deal."
Perkins was appointed to the Factory Investigating Commission, convened in response to the Triangle fire, and the panel held hearings all over New York state before drafting 20 laws aimed at improving workplace safety. Some of the new laws required fire drills, set occupancy limits in buildings and required exit signs to be clearly posted.
"Policies that were enacted because of that fire permeate American workplaces now," Downey said.
Days after the Triangle fire, 100,000 mourners marched in a funeral procession through the streets of New York, while another 250,000 lined the route. Their grief built support for the right of garment workers to unionize.
"It created a strong garment workers union," said Bruce Raynor, president of Workers United, the 21st-century heir to the International Ladies Garment Workers Union. "It helped to really start the modern labor movement."
He said the Triangle fire commemoration resonates strongly today, given the labor struggles across the country and in Wisconsin, where a law passed this month limits public workers' collective bargaining rights.
"One hundred years later, 150,000 people are protesting in Madison, Wis., over the same issue," he said: "the right of working people to organize."
I have to go see a crappy musical performance about this on Thursday. :(
Heh. We have OSHA now. But good luck.
I can certainly see how that fire suggests that public sector employees need to get 4% raises every year, and should not have to pay for their own health care or retirement.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 22, 2011, 11:22:20 AM
Heh. We have OSHA now. But good luck.
Hopefully Republicans will cut that wasteful spending. If burning to death at work bothers you so much, just choose to work somewhere else.
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 11:33:04 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 22, 2011, 11:22:20 AM
Heh. We have OSHA now. But good luck.
Hopefully Republicans will cut that wasteful spending. If burning to death at work bothers you so much, just choose to work somewhere else.
A bunch of them exercised their right to choose death by sudden stopping instead.
Quote from: Berkut on March 22, 2011, 11:25:12 AM
I can certainly see how that fire suggests that public sector employees need to get 4% raises every year, and should not have to pay for their own health care or retirement.
The ashes of the dead demand it!
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2011, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
I didn't know Great White had a factory.
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
Isn't it taught in history classes?
It was in my AP history class. I have no idea if it was taught in regular classes.
But the fact that Martin Van Buren was the president after Andrew Jackson was also taught in history class and how many people have heard of him outside US history people?
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Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
I think I heard about it in history class and then definitely in feminism.
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
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Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Quote from: dps on March 22, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Umm, my classes in public school always got us up to WWI if not WWII.
I really don't recall talking about Triangle Shirtwaist prior to American History AP, and have no idea if non-AP kids are taught about that. But it was a pretty brief lesson related to the organized labor movement, which didn't get discussed much in general as a wider topic.
I also remember Pullman and Chicago in Am. History. It was in there.
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
Quote from: dps on March 22, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Umm, my classes in public school always got us up to WWI if not WWII.
Well, I was speaking from my personal experiences. You're roughly 20 years younger than me, so it makes sense that they were teaching about things roughly 20 years more recent when you were in high school.
Quote from: dps on March 22, 2011, 03:25:09 PM
Well, I was speaking from my personal experiences. You're roughly 20 years younger than me, so it makes sense that they were teaching about things roughly 20 years more recent when you were in high school.
And hence more relevant to what is actually taught today per DGul. :P
Although, that has little bearing on the general pop. -_-
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 22, 2011, 03:21:11 PM
I also remember Pullman and Chicago in Am. History. It was in there.
Chicago?
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 22, 2011, 03:21:11 PM
I also remember Pullman and Chicago in Am. History. It was in there.
Chicago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
Oh yeah, I've heard of Haymarket.
As long as the subject is up, did any of y'all study how exactly unions got us the 40 hour week and overtime?
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Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Completely untrue.
US History 1 & 2 is required to graduate in RI and it covers the Colonial Era to Reconstruction and 1877 to End of the Cold War (we managed to get to the Moon Landing IIRC).
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Quote from: dps on March 22, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
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Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Completely untrue.
US History 1 & 2 is required to graduate in RI and it covers the Colonial Era to Reconstruction and 1877 to the present (we managed to get to the 1960s).
Dps' education experience may differ from your own.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 22, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Dps' education experience may differ from your own.
Which as I already said, makes it rather irrelevant for answering DGul's question although not the underlying bit about whether the gen pop would know of it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 22, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 22, 2011, 06:04:24 PM
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Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2011, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Completely untrue.
US History 1 & 2 is required to graduate in RI and it covers the Colonial Era to Reconstruction and 1877 to the present (we managed to get to the 1960s).
Dps' education experience may differ from your own.
Actually, even when I was in H.S., US history II was supposed to cover up through Watergate. But as I said, in practice, we never really got past the Spanish-American War.
We never got too far either.
In New York, where I went to high school, there is something called Regents Exams, and US history exam is one of the exams you need to pass to get your diploma. That means that you better cover what you're supposed to cover in class, because the exam will surely cover it.
Hah, my brother's girlfriend was ranting about the Regent's Exams last summer when we were in Jersey. I had no idea what she was talking about. :blush:
edit: She's from Long Island.
I'm glad I was long gone when they started doing those stupid tests to graduate. I did the fucking work, now let me out of the fucking school.
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Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Completely untrue.
US History 1 & 2 is required to graduate in RI and it covers the Colonial Era to Reconstruction and 1877 to the present (we managed to get to the 1960s).
Dps' education experience may differ from your own.
Actually, even when I was in H.S., US history II was supposed to cover up through Watergate. But as I said, in practice, we never really got past the Spanish-American War.
How is that possible? :blink:
While certainly important stuff happened between 1877-98 (2nd Industrial Revolution, Rise of Jim Crow, the Gilded Age and the beginning of the Rise of Labor), they're not the kind of stuff that HS teachers love to focus on. WTF could you be wasting the whole year on?
When I was a kid we had to take this thing called CTBS every couple of years. I'm not sure if you could flunk that test or what happened if you did badly because nobody was ever held back because of it, as far as I know.
I also had to take AP tests, but that was just to see if you qualified for college credit, not to actually pass the class and therefore graduate/not graduate (though typically if someone did badly on the AP test, they were probably doing badly in the class overall).
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Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
"horror resonates" :lmfao:
I'm sure 99% of people have never even heard of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company.
I was thinking the same thing. Nobody outside of labor or general US history buffs have heard of it.
Isn't it taught in history classes?
We don't much teach any history in history class in US schools. And even in when we do, in most places the histroy cirriculum is either so out-of-date that US history essentially ends with "Remember the Maine" or has gotten so politically correct that the only thing taught is the history of the civil rights movement.
Completely untrue.
US History 1 & 2 is required to graduate in RI and it covers the Colonial Era to Reconstruction and 1877 to the present (we managed to get to the 1960s).
Dps' education experience may differ from your own.
Actually, even when I was in H.S., US history II was supposed to cover up through Watergate. But as I said, in practice, we never really got past the Spanish-American War.
How is that possible? :blink:
While certainly important stuff happened between 1877-98 (2nd Industrial Revolution, Rise of Jim Crow, the Gilded Age and the beginning of the Rise of Labor), they're not the kind of stuff that HS teachers love to focus on. WTF could you be wasting the whole year on?
At the time. American History I was the colonial era through 1850. American History II was 1851-1975, so we focused mostly on the Civil War. The whole 1902-1975 era got maybe a week at the end of the 2nd semester.
When I took American History AP and we got to the Civil War, James McPherson came to speak to the class. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
When I took American History AP and we got to the Civil War, James McPherson came to speak to the class. :cool:
:worthy:
Yep, growing up in a wealthy community 20 miles from Princeton was pretty nice. :smoke:
I got a rock
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
When I took American History AP and we got to the Civil War, James McPherson came to speak to the class. :cool:
Was that zombie James B McPherson, or was it the historian?
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 06:29:16 PM
Hah, my brother's girlfriend was ranting about the Regent's Exams last summer when we were in Jersey. I had no idea what she was talking about. :blush:
edit: She's from Long Island.
I'm not the kind to be intimidated by exams, and as an A- student, I was obviously expected to pass them easily. However, even I had a butterfly or two in my stomach every time I took one (except the math ones). They're quite intimidating, just because of the stakes involved.
The historian who wrote Battle Cry of Freedom. Our school had a 'no zombies' policy. Also a 'no blacks' policy. :blush:
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 06:50:30 PM
I'm not the kind to be intimidated by exams, and as an A- student, I was obviously expected to pass them easily. However, even I had a butterfly or two in my stomach every time I took one (except the math ones). They're quite intimidating, just because of the stakes involved.
I always just kinda blew exams off, whether or not they were in-class or shit like the CTBS or SAT. :)
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 06:50:30 PM
I'm not the kind to be intimidated by exams, and as an A- student, I was obviously expected to pass them easily. However, even I had a butterfly or two in my stomach every time I took one (except the math ones). They're quite intimidating, just because of the stakes involved.
I always just kinda blew exams off, whether or not they were in-class or shit like the CTBS or SAT. :)
I understand that about class finals, it's not like high school should be any challenge for most people here. However, I think that's a silly attitude when it comes to SATs. Yes, if you're smart, you're going to score high. But scoring higher still carries a lot of benefits, and in my case, it got me a full scholarship to college.
I got a 1310, which I think is pretty good for not studying or taking one of those Kaplan courses.
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
I got a 1310, which I think is pretty good for not studying or taking one of those Kaplan courses.
The thing is that colleges don't handicap your score based on how much effort you put in to get it. Even if you get admitted into the college of your choice, your SAT score may well determine what kind of merit scholarship you'll get. Unless you can get 1600 (or 2400 now) without studying, being a cool guy while taking the SAT means leaving the money on the table. You should at least get a Barron's study guide or something, that doesn't take much investment or effort.
Thanks, I'll keep that advice in mind for the next time I have to take the SAT. :hug:
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2011, 07:14:13 PM
I got a 1310, which I think is pretty good for not studying or taking one of those Kaplan courses.
Ha! I got a 1350!
Ha, I got 1460! And I only studied just a little bit from the Barron's study guide.
I got 9 million. I win.
I had 0. No such thing as a SAT here.
Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
Ha, I got 1460! And I only studied just a little bit from the Barron's study guide.
1480, had never heard of Barron's or Kaplan. :smarty:
look at the big brain on you
Damn straight.
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Quote from: DGuller on March 22, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
Ha, I got 1460! And I only studied just a little bit from the Barron's study guide.
1480, had never heard of Barron's or Kaplan. :smarty:
Well, at some point, there is such a thing as too much of a score. After about 1460, it's obvious that you're very smart, and anything higher is just classless showing off.
I don't actually remember what my score was.
I think the only reason I remember my score is because it was 10 points higher than my brother's, and I used to mock him for it. That was before I realized how meaningless shit like the SAT actually are in the grand scheme of things. :)
Quote from: Caliga on March 23, 2011, 08:38:29 AM
I think the only reason I remember my score is because it was 10 points higher than my brother's, and I used to mock him for it. That was before I realized how meaningless shit like the SAT actually are in the grand scheme of things. :)
:yes:
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
I don't remember as I think I took the SATs 4 or 5 times with the bulk of those times before taking the PSATs. :blush:
Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
I agree that they don't and I went to a top school. :)
Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
:huh:
I got in to Columbia, Boston University, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, NYU, Fordham, Penn State, and a shit school or two in Pennsylvania as backups. :cool:
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Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
:huh:
I got in to Columbia, Boston University, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, NYU, Fordham, Penn State, and a shit school or two in Pennsylvania as backups. :cool:
As I said, getting admitted is one thing, getting a financial package is another. I would've been admitted to my school of choice with a score considerably lower than what I had; however, I wouldn't have gotten a scholarship. Not having to worry about college debts has been a big boost to my quality of life after graduating, compared to my peers.
:hmm:
Now that you mention it, Columbia wouldn't give me any money which is why I went to BU instead. If Cal had studied for the SAT would Cal have been a... New Yorker! :)
P.S. I have no college debt either. :cool:
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Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
:huh:
I got in to Columbia, Boston University, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, NYU, Fordham, Penn State, and a shit school or two in Pennsylvania as backups. :cool:
As I said, getting admitted is one thing, getting a financial package is another. I would've been admitted to my school of choice with a score considerably lower than what I had; however, I wouldn't have gotten a scholarship. Not having to worry about college debts has been a big boost to my quality of life after graduating, compared to my peers.
:zipped:
Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
With a few exceptions, I am guessing just about everyone on languish got or would get a much higher than average SAT/ACT score.
I never took the SAT though - it was all about ACT in the midwest.
Princesca had to take both the SAT and ACT, but until I met her I never even heard of the ACT. :blush:
Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 07:24:09 AM
Well, at some point, there is such a thing as too much of a score. After about 1460, it's obvious that you're very smart, and anything higher is just classless showing off.
:P
Quote from: Caliga on March 23, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
Princesca had to take both the SAT and ACT, but until I met her I never even heard of the ACT. :blush:
I took one. I don't remember which. I hope it was the hard one because I got like "30" right. God, that was a fucking embarrassment. :blush: I did go to college though, bust mostly at some crap schools.
Quote from: Caliga on March 23, 2011, 09:16:27 AM
:hmm:
Now that you mention it, Columbia wouldn't give me any money which is why I went to BU instead. If Cal had studied for the SAT would Cal have been a... New Yorker! :)
P.S. I have no college debt either. :cool:
Actually to counter DGul's point, many top schools don't offer merit-based aid. Looked and that's the case at Columbia and Stanford. Only merit based stuff you could get is from outside scholarships.
Well maybe that was the problem, as I didn't qualify for financial aid based on need. But BU gave me a merit-based scholarship.
Quote from: Berkut on March 23, 2011, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 23, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
I would be inclined to agree that SAT scores don't matter in the big picture, if I didn't get a really good one. :)
With a few exceptions, I am guessing just about everyone on languish got or would get a much higher than average SAT/ACT score.
I never took the SAT though - it was all about ACT in the midwest.
Yeah.
Quote from: Caliga, as I didn't qualify for financial aid based on need.
Didn't realize that you were that well off. I mean, I know that you've done well for yourself, but I didn't know that you came from a family that's well-off enough that you didn't qualify for need-based FA from Columbia.
Cal's pop is/was some mighty mucky-muck at Pepsi or Taco Bell or Popeyes or something.
I qualified for every goddamn help under the sun. :P
I couldn't get jack shit. The Indian students grabbed every scholarship except for the ones where your pops was a UAW worker or a vet.
And I wasn't going to put myself into massive debt to do the required classes. ART CLASSES, OHIO STATE? REALLY? FUCK YOU.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 23, 2011, 06:56:49 PM
Cal's pop is/was some mighty mucky-muck at Pepsi or Taco Bell or Popeyes or something.
Nope, he worked for Denny's first, then GMRI/Darden (Red Lobster, Olive Garden), and finally Prandium (Chi Chi's).
Also my mom is a school psychologist, and the teachers' union is very powerful in Pennsylvania. :blush: