Official seeds come out later today.
I've been listening a bit to Linardi on ESPN (97% accurate historically). His 4 #1 seeds are Ohio St., Notre Dame, Pitt, and ... shit, I'm spacing on the 4th. Probably Kansas.
He has Duke as a 2, and UConn as a two. He had only gone through the East bracket when I stopped watching.
11 Big East teams in according to Linardi.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 13, 2011, 02:59:02 PM
11 Big East teams in according to Linardi.
Which is just ridiculous.
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2011, 03:07:50 PM
Which is just ridiculous.
You were thinking it would be 12? :P
For berkie
:menace:
Buzzer Beater (http://bayarea.sbnation.com/2011/3/12/2047202/gus-johnson-isaiah-thomas-pac-10-basketball-tournament-championship-buzzer-beater)
That was a hell of a shot. I didn't realize it was tied though, I thought Washington was down one there.
Quote from: sbr on March 13, 2011, 03:23:07 PM
That was a hell of a shot. I didn't realize it was tied though, I thought Washington was down one there.
No Zona had tied it up on nice shot with 20secs left.
Thomas was amazing in tournament played like 123 of 125mins.
and was clutch
21pts-11 assists vs Wazzu
10pts-12 assists vs Ducks
28pts-7 assists vs Cats.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 13, 2011, 03:12:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2011, 03:07:50 PM
Which is just ridiculous.
You were thinking it would be 12? :P
:contract: Don't hate on the Big East just because they're that good, Berk.
I hope the University of Dayton crashes and burns if they get in.
Quote from: derspiess on March 13, 2011, 04:15:44 PM
:contract: Don't hate on the Big East just because they're that good, Berk.
I think it's important to keep in mind when doing comparisons that the Big East is a huge conference.
That being said, it does seem that year after year after year the Big East gets about 7 of the spots in the top 10. Not necessarily #1, but the bulk of the leader board after that.
Which is amazing since haven't had a team in championship game since 2004.
Quote from: katmai on March 13, 2011, 03:20:38 PM
For berkie
:menace:
Buzzer Beater (http://bayarea.sbnation.com/2011/3/12/2047202/gus-johnson-isaiah-thomas-pac-10-basketball-tournament-championship-buzzer-beater)
That was one hell of a finish, both in regulation and in overtime.
I thought Arizona had it put away when Williams had that and 1 play with 30 seconds left.
Thomas was just not going to be denied. Congrats on the Pac-10 Tourney Championship. It's a small consolation for losing the conference, of course, but certainly better than nothing... :P
Now, could the Huskies arrange to win more than 1 game in the tournament for a change, please?
Ugh, none of those first four games in Dayton looks interesting at all. Not worth going to at least.
7 teams from the Big 10? 3 from the Atlantic 10??? I dunno guys.
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2011, 05:25:28 PM
Now, could the Huskies arrange to win more than 1 game in the tournament for a change, please?
Uh their hurdle has always been the Sweet 16 since Romar took over, so it's 3 games they can't win thank you very much.
Washington's post-season chokiness is so legendary that even I can pretend to know about it. :contract:
Six appearances in the Big 12 championship game...and six loses. Being Kansas' bitch sure gets old.
Quote from: Valmy on March 13, 2011, 07:54:52 PM
Six appearances in the Big 12 championship game...and six loses. Being Kansas' bitch sure gets old.
And now you end up with Arizona in your pod. Cannot catch a break.
Thank God BYU is nowhere near Arizona...
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
And now you end up with Arizona in your pod. Cannot catch a break.
Texas does not lose to Kansas because they are unlucky...they lose because Kansas is consistently better. :P
Sean Miller has never lost to a lower seed in the NCAA tourney.
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2011, 11:00:28 PM
Sean Miller has never lost to a lower seed in the NCAA tourney.
So hoping for Oakland upset!
Quote from: katmai on March 13, 2011, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 13, 2011, 11:00:28 PM
Sean Miller has never lost to a lower seed in the NCAA tourney.
So hoping for Oakland upset!
Oakland may surprise some people. They play an insanely difficult non-conference schedule for a team at their level, which I think is preparing them to be one of the new Sweet 16 cinderellas sometime soon.
Btw is the Languish tourney pick'em league active yet?
Hey spicy, didn't get a chance to set up lastnight. Will do so asap today.
So, what's the First Four in Dayton?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 14, 2011, 12:18:32 PM
So, what's the First Four in Dayton?
They have it set up so that the 16-seed teams that have to play-in play at 6:30pm tomorrow & Wednesday, and the more interesting games (Clemson-UAB Tues. & USC-VCU Wed.) for late evening . Which is clever because they bundle both games each night together as a "session", meaning if you have an interest in the later game you gotta also go to (or at least pay for) the first game.
I'd go up & watch Clemson-UAB if it were cheap enough-- the winner of that game plays WVU.
Languish Tourney picks pool is up!
group id # 151862
password: bubble
Quote from: katmai on March 14, 2011, 10:50:24 PM
Languish Tourney picks pool is up!
group id # 151862
password: bubble
Woo! I'll sign up as soon as get home from work.
I am: ready to defend my title. A 2011 trophy would look nice next to my 2010 & 2006 trophies :showoff:
I'm out cuz I suck at picking, but I do like the Jayhawks to cut down the nets.
UTSA is playing their first tournament game in quite a while today (15 minutes or so). ^_^
UD got its ass kicked in the NIT. :)
I like how during this pregame show, they're talking about this player or that player, how good they are, how the teams play defense, etc, but have nothing to show except some stats they throw up on the screen because neither team has been on TV this year. :D
Edit: Whoa they have Gus Johnson announcing. And we have highlights! High school game style baseline stuff, but still.
If Gus is there there will be a buzzer-beater of some sort.
Quote from: sbr on March 16, 2011, 06:16:09 PM
If Gus is there there will be a buzzer-beater of some sort.
That would require a helluva comeback/turnaround by Alabama State, and would be totally worthy of a Gus Johnson meltdown. They're down 38-15 and just took a technical for having 6 dudes on the floor coming out of a timeout. :blink: Still lots of time though, 3:43 left in the first half.
Well shit there was just a buzzer beater, but not really a whole lot for Gus to get excited about. :lol: UTSA white guy bench player drilled a long three with no time left to go into the half with a 48-21 lead. Now they just need to not piss it away, and they have their first NCAA Tournament win.
You sure the play-in counts as an official tournament win? :hmm:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
You sure the play-in counts as an official tournament win? :hmm:
This is officially the first round of the tournament. Thursday and Friday when all 64 teams play is now the second round. :yuk:
Yeah it counts as a win, and it's a lot more interesting, at least for the 16 seed teams, than it used to be. I don't know what the deal is with the 11s and 12s playing, but at least a couple 16s will get a chance to play a competitive tournament game now before being crushed by the #1. Not to mention it's more college hoops, which is never a bad thing.
UTSA went ice cold in the second half, but are clinging to a 10-12 point lead with 36 seconds left. E: And there it is. UTSA gets their win. :)
Nebraska got curb-stomped by Wichita State in the first round of the NIT. :nelson:
Also this VCU-USC game sucks so far and these are supposed to be the good teams.
E: VCU over USC 59-46. VCU's coach is apparently a midget.
Go CUSE!
Goddamnit, I was starting to have flashbacks of WVU's one & done NCAA appearance from a couple years ago. They're not out of the woods yet-- they had to scrap & claw just to even it up at the half.
Kentucky looked like they were going to totally destroy Princeton at first, and still might eventually, but the smart kids have made it a pretty good basketball game for the moment.
They had some gay party about this at work today. I went down to the conference center, took some chili, and was like CYA LUSERS!
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
They had some gay party about this at work today. I went down to the conference center, took some chili, and was like CYA LUSERS!
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
Go Mason!!
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
Office parties are kinda gay no matter what.
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
The party is gay (and the fact that work is holding it), not the sport, though personally I don't care about college sports at all.
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
The party is gay (and the fact that work is holding it), not the sport, though personally I don't care about college sports at all.
You missed out on some crying, then. Louisville just lost.
The first upset of the tourney. I love the smell of upset.
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
The party is gay (and the fact that work is holding it), not the sport, though personally I don't care about college sports at all.
So basically all you care about is the NFL :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
You missed out on some crying, then. Louisville just lost.
:cool:
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 03:01:59 PM
So basically all you care about is the NFL :mellow:
I like going to baseball and hockey games, like I mentioned in another thread recently, but can't watch them on TV.
Also NASCAR. :cool:
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
The party is gay (and the fact that work is holding it), not the sport, though personally I don't care about college sports at all.
You missed out on some crying, then. Louisville just lost.
Yep. Phil Simms U did them in.
Cool, maybe Prick Dicktino will finally get fired. :smoke:
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 02:36:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 17, 2011, 02:33:07 PM
Damn is enjoying sports gay now? I thought it was one of the few ungay things left.
The party is gay (and the fact that work is holding it), not the sport, though personally I don't care about college sports at all.
So basically all you care about is the NFL :mellow:
I know a few people like that (and the Canadian equivalent - only care about the NHL).
Meh i had Louisville losing in sweet 16 so doesn't break bracket, now if Kentucky loses to Princeton they will be in worse shape, but oh it would be worth it.
Quote from: Caliga on March 17, 2011, 03:03:03 PM
Also NASCAR. :cool:
Valmy was talking about sports. :contract:
Aw. Kentucky just took a two point lead with ~2 seconds left. Princeton needs a miracle shot now.
E: Welp.
Pitno must have not gotten his daily blowjob.
Crap, I had them going far in one of my brackets.
I have 7 though, so I'm not too worried.
Richmond just beat Vandy. Upset #2.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 17, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Richmond just beat Vandy. Upset #2.
I picked it :contract:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 17, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Richmond just beat Vandy. Upset #2.
Had them in 5 or 6 of my brackets
The current block of 4 games looks so boring I may take a nap. The last 4 games tonight should be good, though.
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
The current block of 4 games looks so boring I may take a nap. The last 4 games tonight should be good, though.
Wofford v BYU is gonna be ugly, but close.
I can't believe, what with everything going on in the world right now, you people are actually talking basketball.
Florida's going to win it all anyway.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 17, 2011, 06:54:06 PM
I can't believe, what with everything going on in the world right now, you people are actually talking basketball.
Tell that to your mom jeans wearin', community organizin' president.
Anyway, we need the tourney more than ever this year-- sorry your Terps didn't make it :console:
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2011, 11:25:13 PM
sorry your Terps didn't make it :console:
They didn't even make the NIT. Oh, the huge manatee.
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2011, 11:25:13 PM
Tell that to your mom jeans wearin', community organizin' president.
I was pretty mad when I heard that clip, yeah. :mad:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 17, 2011, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 17, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
Richmond just beat Vandy. Upset #2.
Had them in 5 or 6 of my brackets
I only made 1 bracket, but I had Richmone over Vandy, too. I also called Gonzaga over St. John's, but I didn't see Morehead St over Louisville, and I had predicted Penn State to upset Temple.
Quote from: CountDeMoneyFlorida's going to win it all anyway.
I got 'em winning their region, but losing to Kansas in the semi's. Picked Kansas to win it all.
Arizona-Memphis is an entertaining game so far.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 03:16:03 PM
Arizona-Memphis is an entertaining game so far.
Not really.
Zona is lucky to win this game. Clearly the cream of Pac-10 is UCLA
So...UTSA is leading Ohio State!!!
Oh right, only 5 minutes gone in the game. Yeah, probably not going to last much longer. As long as they don't look end up like Hampton, I'm cool with whatever.
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 03:51:03 PM
Not really.
:lol:
Edit: Welp, there goes the lead. Took 8 minutes though, so not bad.
Go Road Runners!
I wonder why they keep saying "Texas San Antonio." Just say "UTSA" guys.
Not looking good for the Roadrunners. They're not hitting the open shots that they're getting (quite a few of them actually), and they're not playing defense. Fffff. At least Texas won.
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 04:23:34 PM
Go Road Runners!
Is there a team called the Coyotes in the tournament? :shifty:
It begins:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgif.mocksession.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2FBLOWNCALL.gif.pagespeed.ce.IGK2v9hQXL.gif&hash=c9008d42ef2ef4422125512dea52b5695c46790c)
http://gif.mocksession.com/2011/03/blowncall/ In case it doesn't work above.
where is the blown call?
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
where is the blown call?
Chest to elbow, I believe is what they're saying.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 18, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 04:23:34 PM
Go Road Runners!
Is there a team called the Coyotes in the tournament? :shifty:
I do know of a team named Coyotes that is about to have an anvil dropped on its head... :shifty:
Quote from: Barrister on March 18, 2011, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 18, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 04:23:34 PM
Go Road Runners!
Is there a team called the Coyotes in the tournament? :shifty:
I do know of a team named Coyotes that is about to have an anvil dropped on its head... :shifty:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myconfinedspace.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F08%2Fsisko-facepalm.gif&hash=d87b8c441cc25d317830e4112816119449d3e2b2)
thank you ed.
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:17:42 PM
thank you ed.
Yer welcome. At least Beeb didn't post Darth Vader and Master Chief playing hockey at least.
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:17:42 PM
thank you ed.
Oh, the "I told you so" is going to be epic... :menace:
You know i would have actually congratulated you if/when the Coyotes move, if you didn't feel this annoying need to post trivial shit EVERY fucking day.
Who won between the Magic Underpants and Wilford Brimley last night? I had to sack before it was over.
You'd think someone could stop Fredette's dribble drive. It's a great move, but it's always the exact same move.
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:22:01 PM
You know i would have actually congratulated you if/when the Coyotes move, if you didn't feel this annoying need to post trivial shit EVERY fucking day.
With this one exception, I keep it in carefully labelled threads so you don't have to be bothered by news of the demise of American hockey. :goodboy:
:bleeding: UTSA is just jacking up shots and standing around a lot on D now. Well...I mean that they've kind of expanded on what they've been doing the whole game.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 05:43:15 PM
:bleeding: UTSA is just jacking up shots and standing around a lot on D now. Well...I mean that they've kind of expanded on what they've been doing the whole game.
Dude, you can't get that worked up about a game against the overall #1 seed.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 18, 2011, 05:44:54 PM
Dude, you can't get that worked up about a game against the overall #1 seed.
:huh: What makes you think I'm worked up? Pretty sure there would be some sort of GODFUCKINGDAMMIT type deal in the post there if I was.
Edit: The comeback begins: The lead is down to 26.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 05:48:23 PM
:huh: What makes you think I'm worked up?
The blood streaming from your eyes. :)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 18, 2011, 05:50:42 PM
The blood streaming from your eyes. :)
That's from a tournament team heaving up shots that look like I was taking them. Also, my ears are like that now too due to the mics really amplifying the sound all the bricks are making as they clang off the rim.
Also, I can't find the remote.
Edit: Oh it's over (clock-wise). Hey they kept it under 30! :) Haha they also scored more points than Tennessee.
BU is hanging tough with Kansas but NC is beating up Lon Gyland. LIU's point guard appears to be of the yellow race.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
where is the blown call?
Chest to elbow, I believe is what they're saying.
Uhhh, no. That is a great block.
As we always say "If the shot missed because it got swatted into the stands, ignore incidental body contact afterwards..."
That was not even a great no-call...it was a routine no-call.
Georgia-Washington is a much better game than I expected. Good thing, since I can't stand to watch the Georgetown game any more :rolleyes:
Huskies looked like shit, to be tied at half when shooting 28% is a fucking miracle.
Wow, how about that Big East, Hoya Saxa?
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
Uhhh, no. That is a great block.
As we always say "If the shot missed because it got swatted into the stands, ignore incidental body contact afterwards..."
That was not even a great no-call...it was a routine no-call.
That's what their complaint is. The contact comes
before the block.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 11:02:57 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
Uhhh, no. That is a great block.
As we always say "If the shot missed because it got swatted into the stands, ignore incidental body contact afterwards..."
That was not even a great no-call...it was a routine no-call.
That's what their complaint is. The contact comes before the block.
True, but was it the contact that created the block?
Nope - then there was no advantage gained by the contact. Contact, by rule, is not a foul unless an illegal advantage is gained by that contact.
You don't get bailed out of having your shot sent into the stands by a foul call, unless it was the contact that allowed the shot to get sent in the first place. That was not the case here - that ball was blocked because the defender had his hand above the ball long before it left the shooters hand. The bump on the elbow meant nada.
Routine no call. Would not call it in the first 38 minutes, sure as hell would not call it in the last 2.
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
True, but was it the contact that created the block?
Nope - then there was no advantage gained by the contact. Contact, by rule, is not a foul unless an illegal advantage is gained by that contact.
You don't get bailed out of having your shot sent into the stands by a foul call, unless it was the contact that allowed the shot to get sent in the first place. That was not the case here - that ball was blocked because the defender had his hand above the ball long before it left the shooters hand. The bump on the elbow meant nada.
Routine no call. Would not call it in the first 38 minutes, sure as hell would not call it in the last 2.
Ah, see, I wasn't aware that you could throw your body into someone's arm while they're shooting as long as you get the block afterwards. :)
(no but seriously, you should go argue this on some of the basketball forums, or at least go check out the rage posts)
As a side note, I found out today that my mom likes Arizona basketball because Sean Elliott went there. It's like her reason for being a Raiders fan: Because she liked the kicker some number of years ago (not SeaBass). Good enough reason as any, I suppose. Me, I was leaning more for Arizona not because of Elliott (who was awesome, but I completely forgot he went there), but because an Arizona - Texas matchup seems more interesting.
MASON WON WOOOO! :w00t: :yeah: :w00t: :yeah:
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 10:44:37 PM
Wow, how about that Big East, Hoya Saxa?
Wasn't one Georgetown's big player injured?
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 10:06:47 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
where is the blown call?
Chest to elbow, I believe is what they're saying.
Uhhh, no. That is a great block.
As we always say "If the shot missed because it got swatted into the stands, ignore incidental body contact afterwards..."
That was not even a great no-call...it was a routine no-call.
His hand was above the rim. It was goaltending. Some ref you are.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 11:15:06 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
True, but was it the contact that created the block?
Nope - then there was no advantage gained by the contact. Contact, by rule, is not a foul unless an illegal advantage is gained by that contact.
You don't get bailed out of having your shot sent into the stands by a foul call, unless it was the contact that allowed the shot to get sent in the first place. That was not the case here - that ball was blocked because the defender had his hand above the ball long before it left the shooters hand. The bump on the elbow meant nada.
Routine no call. Would not call it in the first 38 minutes, sure as hell would not call it in the last 2.
Ah, see, I wasn't aware that you could throw your body into someone's arm while they're shooting as long as you get the block afterwards. :)
More like making some incidental contact while rejecting a shot doesn't mean we are going to call the contact while ignoring the fact that the reason the shot missed had nothing to do with the contact, but rather because your shot ended up somewhere in row eight.
Quote(no but seriously, you should go argue this on some of the basketball forums, or at least go check out the rage posts)
Well yeah, fans are generally clueless about the rules.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 18, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
His hand was above the rim. It was goaltending. Some ref you are.
See last sentence, previous post.
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 11:35:09 PM
More like making some incidental contact while rejecting a shot doesn't mean we are going to call the contact while ignoring the fact that the reason the shot missed had nothing to do with the contact, but rather because your shot ended up somewhere in row eight.
No, I'm pretty sure you can't throw yourself into someones arm and shoulder while they're taking a shot no matter what. The question, very mild trolling aside, is really more if that actually happened, or if it's just the angle of the gif.
QuoteWell yeah, fans are generally clueless about the rules.
What about Arizona basketball players? Williams apparently said it was a foul in the press conference (this is according to Memphis fans, not me, I have no idea). :lol: It doesn't matter anyway though.
Well, there were a couple good Gus Johnson games. Nova-George Mason had at least 5 good possible additions to the Gus Johnson Soundboard.
Quote from: derspiess on March 18, 2011, 11:50:41 PM
Well, there were a couple good Gus Johnson games. Nova-George Mason had at least 5 good possible additions to the Gus Johnson Soundboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC4EiCRLoF8&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 18, 2011, 11:42:29 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2011, 11:35:09 PM
More like making some incidental contact while rejecting a shot doesn't mean we are going to call the contact while ignoring the fact that the reason the shot missed had nothing to do with the contact, but rather because your shot ended up somewhere in row eight.
No, I'm pretty sure you can't throw yourself into someones arm and shoulder while they're taking a shot no matter what. The question, very mild trolling aside, is really more if that actually happened, or if it's just the angle of the gif.
Well, you are putting the description in rather biased terms - "he threw himself into...". Officials don't look a things that way.
Here is what we see on a play like this.
A1 is going for a shot. B1 contests the shot, and blocks it. While doing so, some contact with A1 is made on the elbow.
Question: Did B1 gain an illegal advantage by that contact? Well, there is a reason officials are taught to have "slow whistles" - what was the outcome of the play? In this case, the outcome was that the shot was blocked, and it wasn't even close. So how could the defender have gained an advantage by the contact, when the shot never had any chance of going in to begin with?
This is the same philosophy that says you hold you whistle on a put back where there is a little bumping during the rebound.Don't give cheap and-1s.
Finally, watch the play at full speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwRzNFJ67oM
It is not at all clear at full speed that the contact was before the block. At playing speed, whatever contact was there was essentially simultaneous, or close enough that you are going to consider it simultaneous.
This is a routine no call.
So it's okay to hit someone on the arm while they're shooting? I just want to be sure.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 19, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
So it's okay to hit someone on the arm while they're shooting? I just want to be sure.
Contact on the shooters arm is not always a foul.
That is not the same thing as saying "it is okay to hit someone on the arm while they are shooting". Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 19, 2011, 12:10:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2011, 12:08:59 AMHave you stopped beating your wife yet?
Pardon?
It's a simple question, isn't it? A yes or no will suffice.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2011, 12:12:13 AM
It's a simple question, isn't it? A yes or no will suffice.
Excuse me? Is this where I'm supposed to ask you if you're still raping your kid?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedophile
Or, back in non complete fucking tool territory, you
could note that the Memphis fans might actually have a legitimate complaint, which is backed up by the Arizona player coming out and saying it was a foul and since he was a) actually involved in the play, b) isn't you, and c) isn't a ref who apparently had to remove himself from the Big East tournament for fucking up so badly, he might actually know what's going on. Also note that since there aren't any Memphis fans here, or at least none involved in this, you're vehemently arguing about shit with someone who doesn't really give a damn about it, and indeed actually wanted Arizona to win. If you didn't read posts the way you probably ref games, these things might have been obvious to you.
BTW, there was another, more easy to see foul on the rebound. If I were a Memphis fan, I'd probably be more pissed about that, since it's so obvious. 42 knew he did it, which was why he immediately just held both arms straight up and backed away after coming down.
You can ask that if you like, I guess. It would not be the first loaded question you've asked in the thread though.
Memphis fans have no legitimate complaint, and the Arizona player never said it was a foul. And even if he DID say it was a foul, his saying so doesn't make it a foul either. Hell, if we could just count on the players let us know when they foul, you wouldn't need officials at all.
And fans, especially losing fans, bitch about calls and non calls all the time. That doesn't mean they are right - they are almost never right. They are not right in this case. But that is because fans don't understand the rules, and think things like "he hit his arm, how could that not be a foul????" are legitimate arguments.
Whether or not you want Arizona to win or not doesn't make it a foul either. Why you are so upset that you need to make a discussion about how basketball is officiated personal, I am not really sure. But hey, you are fan, you are entitled to your (wrong) opinion about what constitutes a foul or not.
BTW, the "foul" on the rebound would be a terrible call - the player who was "fouled" ended up with the ball, standing underneath the basket with an easy layup. Another example of a call that should not be made, and would not be made at any other point in the game, much less in the final seconds.
Contact is not always a foul. Just keep repeating that to yourself, and you might start understanding how basketball is officiated, as opposed to how it is watched.
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2011, 12:54:52 AMYou can ask that if you like, I guess. It would not be the first loaded question you've asked in the thread though.
Of course I wouldn't like to ask someone something like that. Because that's a douche thing to do. What is wrong with you?
QuoteMemphis fans have no legitimate complaint, and the Arizona player never said it was a foul. And even if he DID say it was a foul, his saying so doesn't make it a foul either.
Yeah, I mean, on one hand I have you. On the other, I have a D1 player for a major team. If he DID say it was a foul, then sorry, but I gotta go with the guy who's actually involved at that level. Since you're asking me about beating my wife atm, I've gone ahead and assumed he did say it and I'll now tell you to go fuck yourself and take it up with your own player. How's that?
QuoteHell, if we could just count on the players let us know when they foul, you wouldn't need officials at all.
This might make sense if he had called it on himself during the game.
QuoteWhether or not you want Arizona to win or not doesn't make it a foul either. Why you are so upset that you need to make a discussion about how basketball is officiated personal, I am not really sure. But hey, you are fan, you are entitled to your (wrong) opinion about what constitutes a foul or not.
The only thing I might be considered upset about is some dude on a message board asking me about beating my wife, although that really just makes me think you're a jerkoff. Otherwise, it's just a late game no call that could have gone either way, no matter what you say (and now, reading the Arizona player's press conference blurb, is pretty much what he said).
QuoteBTW, the "foul" on the rebound would be a terrible call - the player who was fouled ended up with the ball, standing underneath the basket with an easy layup. Another example of a call that should not be made, and would not be made.
Of course not. It's okay as long as he ends up with the ball standing "underneath" the basket. No wait, that kind of shit gets called all the time. It's why the reaction was the way it was. 42 was praying it wouldn't get called right then.
QuoteContact is not always a foul.
No, it's not, and nor should it be, since there would be a whistle every half second. THIS is not regular old contact though, it's more than that and it's in a game deciding situation. This is why the news articles and shit are popping up about it, and why that gif was almost immediately made.
But yeah:
Quotego fuck yourself and take it up with your own player
Will be the response from now on to anything you say to me about it. If you want to discuss or talk some shit about the Texas - Arizona game on Sunday, I'm totally down for that. The winner probably plays Duke, then probably UConn/SDSU, then....ugh...
If you want to argue about this dumb Memphis shit with someone, go find a Tigers fan somewhere (there are one or two on Something Awful, I think, unless those were just outside parties as well) or find an article and use the comments. It's my own fault that I've given you even this many responses about this meaningless crap.
I have never officiated a basketball game, but I loved basketball growing up and I can't imagine anyone younger than 40 that has watched more bball than I have. I also didn't see the play until I read this thread.
That was not a foul. I understand why the Memphis fans are crying about it but that's tough shit. If anything the shooter initiated contact by extending his elbow as he goes up. Of course you can only see that in the ridiculous slo-mo gif that was posted here. No way an official can call that in real time without replay, if he had there would be even more people bitching that the official had "decided the game" the other way.
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Quote from: katmai on March 18, 2011, 05:06:42 PM
where is the blown call?
Chest to elbow, I believe is what they're saying.
Uhhh, no. That is a great block.
As we always say "If the shot missed because it got swatted into the stands, ignore incidental body contact afterwards..."
That was not even a great no-call...it was a routine no-call.
His hand was above the rim. It was goaltending. Some ref you are.
:lol:
Quote from: sbr on March 19, 2011, 01:44:43 AM
I have never officiated a basketball game, but I loved basketball growing up and I can't imagine anyone younger than 40 that has watched more bball than I have. I also didn't see the play until I read this thread.
That was not a foul. I understand why the Memphis fans are crying about it but that's tough shit. If anything the shooter initiated contact by extending his elbow as he goes up. Of course you can only see that in the ridiculous slo-mo gif that was posted here. No way an official can call that in real time without replay, if he had there would be even more people bitching that the official had "decided the game" the other way.
TBH, I don't think, from the angle he had, the ref could even really see the contact on the block anyway, so it's not really fair to say he screwed up.
Either way, my goddamn bracket at least looks okay so far in the West. Richmond and Morehead both ruined everything in the SW (not FSU though ahaha fuck Aggy). I also had Butler losing and Nova winning (sorry Bob) ffs. :bleeding: I actually picked Gonzaga, Marquette, Illinois, and VCU though. Amazing. Or something. It'll get even more messed up as my homer/retard picks don't pan out though (Texas, Florida, UNC, Kansas LETS DO THIS). Oh well. At least I didn't go into full dumbass mode and pick UTSA to be the first 16 to beat a 1.
Are you really getting all steaming mad and stuff because of the beating your wife question?
That is kind of funny - I posted a link which, I thought, explained the question rather thoroughly, although I am kind of surprised you didn't already now what it meant.
Your question "Are you saying you can hit the shooter on the arm" was a classic logical fallacy, and the canonical example of the fallacy of the loaded question is "Have you stopped beating your wife yet". Asking you that question is simply a way of illustrating the fallacy you were making - I wasn't seriously asking if you beat your wife.
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2011, 02:28:26 AM
Are you really getting all steaming mad and stuff because of the beating your wife question?
That is kind of funny - I posted a link which, I thought, explained the question rather thoroughly, although I am kind of surprised you didn't already now what it meant.
Your question "Are you saying you can hit the shooter on the arm" was a classic logical fallacy, and the canonical example of the fallacy of the loaded question is "Have you stopped beating your wife yet". Asking you that question is simply a way of illustrating the fallacy you were making - I wasn't seriously asking if you beat your wife.
Quotego fuck yourself and take it up with your own player
Edit: Seriously though, forget that shit Berk. Being irritated with you is fucking with my qi and I don't like it (I also feel like a giant douche for the kid fucking thing even though...blah...whatever I apologize for that). Let's talk about some Texas - Arizona. Looks like a very good, physical matchup.
Zona is gonna lose.
Oh well. GU wasn't going that deep anyway.
Well, shit. If WVU hadn't gone the first 6+ minutes of the 2nd half without scoring this would've been a bit different. The Big East is gonna need a different standard bearer this year.
Huggins flops again? UNBELIEVABLE.
Pretty good Gator Bruin matchup right now.
UCLA cheerleaders: subpar. :thumbsdown:
Florida closes it out.
Michigan's victory was the first time in tourney history that a team won without a single made free throw.
11 and 12 seed matchup right now. That's not something you see every day.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 19, 2011, 02:59:20 PM
UCLA cheerleaders: subpar. :thumbsdown:
:huh: For UCLA cheerleaders, maybe.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 19, 2011, 04:44:48 PM
11 and 12 seed matchup right now.
Do you mean 12 and 13?
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Damn Spicy, was rooting for WVU there :(
It sucked. I still have something of a homer rooting interest in WVU, of course, but I really hate Kentucky in hoops.
Heh yeah as UDub fan even more annoyed with UK as two frosh de-committed from Washington to Kentucky this past year....granted one hasn't and will never play a game since he was declared ineligible from NCAA :lol:
Being in Lexington during basketball season can try a man's soul.
I'm watching the Catholics vs. Mormons game.
Quote from: derspiess on March 19, 2011, 05:23:55 PM
:huh: For UCLA cheerleaders, maybe.
Well yeah. On the other hand the brief glimpse I got of the BYU cheerleaders was an Aryan Nation wet dream.
Quote from: citizen k on March 19, 2011, 07:25:56 PM
I'm watching the Catholics vs. Mormons game.
At first I thought you meant Notre Dame. Gonzaga is the Catholics' JV team, the Mormon should be OK.
Butler does it again beating #1 Pitt. That sticks a fork in my bracket right there.
Heha. I had Butler over Pitt.
Quote from: Valmy on March 19, 2011, 08:22:08 PM
Butler does it again beating #1 Pitt. That sticks a fork in my bracket right there.
Bonehead squared at the end of that game.
So as far as i can tell at most 3, at least 2 Big East teams will make Sweet Sixteen. (Two are assured since 4 are facing off against each other in round of 32 :D)
Quote from: sbr on March 19, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: citizen k on March 19, 2011, 07:25:56 PM
I'm watching the Catholics vs. Mormons game.
At first I thought you meant Notre Dame. Gonzaga is the Catholics' JV team, the Mormon should be OK.
John Stockton makes one more than the number of Notre Dame basketball players I can name. :hmm:
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Quote from: sbr on March 19, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: citizen k on March 19, 2011, 07:25:56 PM
I'm watching the Catholics vs. Mormons game.
At first I thought you meant Notre Dame. Gonzaga is the Catholics' JV team, the Mormon should be OK.
John Stockton makes one more than the number of Notre Dame basketball players I can name. :hmm:
They have had some decent players but not as many as I expected to see. Adrian Dantly and Troy Murphy are probably the tops on teh list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_men%27s_basketball#Players
I can think of more than two name players that came out of a certain Catholic school in DC.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 19, 2011, 02:36:53 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2011, 02:28:26 AM
Are you really getting all steaming mad and stuff because of the beating your wife question?
That is kind of funny - I posted a link which, I thought, explained the question rather thoroughly, although I am kind of surprised you didn't already now what it meant.
Your question "Are you saying you can hit the shooter on the arm" was a classic logical fallacy, and the canonical example of the fallacy of the loaded question is "Have you stopped beating your wife yet". Asking you that question is simply a way of illustrating the fallacy you were making - I wasn't seriously asking if you beat your wife.
Quotego fuck yourself and take it up with your own player
Edit: Seriously though, forget that shit Berk. Being irritated with you is fucking with my qi and I don't like it (I also feel like a giant douche for the kid fucking thing even though...blah...whatever I apologize for that). Let's talk about some Texas - Arizona. Looks like a very good, physical matchup.
No worries.
I don't know about Arizona - I really don't. They suddenly just stopped playing defense a few weeks ago. Now teams just routinely drive to the rim while the entire team watches them go by. We can outscore people anyway, but it is rather odd that a team like Memphis is making a game like that close when it should have been a comfortable win.
If Arizona can hit the three consistently and play just a little defense, they can beat anyone.
One of my brackets is in the 99.3%. :showoff:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 20, 2011, 12:43:00 AM
One of my brackets is in the 99.3%. :showoff:
That itself is a statistic probability given how many brackets you probably enter.
Too bad about Michigan.
Quote from: Berkut on March 19, 2011, 10:05:35 PM
No worries.
I don't know about Arizona - I really don't. They suddenly just stopped playing defense a few weeks ago. Now teams just routinely drive to the rim while the entire team watches them go by. We can outscore people anyway, but it is rather odd that a team like Memphis is making a game like that close when it should have been a comfortable win.
If Arizona can hit the three consistently and play just a little defense, they can beat anyone.
Yeah Texas is kind of an unknown to me at this point too. Even in the Oakland game, they were totally different one half to the next, although to be fair, they changed some things up to try to slow it down or something. Whatever they were trying to do, it wasn't working. They actually made free throws though, amazingly enough, which is something they've been...not so good at...this year.
okay my laptop is needing a reboot, shit is crashing all over the place. explorer just restarted twice
I've got no dogs left in the race with Huskies loss. Time to start watching Baseball or MLS :lol:
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
I've got no dogs left in the race with Huskies loss. Time to start watching Baseball or MLS :lol:
Communist.
Just heard on NPR that 18 pep bands have Lady Gaga in their repetoire. Many more than one. :bleeding:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 20, 2011, 04:48:07 PM
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I've got no dogs left in the race with Huskies loss. Time to start watching Baseball or MLS :lol:
Communist.
I can't help there isn't a team left worth rooting for.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 20, 2011, 04:48:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
I've got no dogs left in the race with Huskies loss. Time to start watching Baseball or MLS :lol:
Communist.
I can't help there isn't a team left worth rooting for.
Some Pac-10 fan you are.
Well the way they have played last few weeks I am already expecting them to lose to Horns :lol:
:P
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
I've got no dogs left in the race with Huskies loss. Time to start watching Baseball or MLS :lol:
It came one game too late if you ask me. :mad:
p.s. there's still UConn.
Sorry about your Bulldogs, and UConn....ewwww.
I have passing interest in Aztecs, but they won't make it past next game if they play like they did vs Temple.
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2011, 05:16:57 PM
UConn....ewwww.
Yeah, I know, just riffing on your pun.
I know....those fuckers have knocked UW out of the tourny twice in last 8 appearances.
On last second shots no less, so they get repeated every fucking year. :bleeding:
Haha Johnson is going to have to move.
Gratz Catz.
I thought the Texican rebounder got fouled. Unless time had run out. They didn't show that synched with the clock.
Anyway, done deal. Congrats Throbs.
Studio dudes are saying you can't call a TO after 4 seconds on an inbounds, which is why Johnson got nailed like that. Weird.
E2: Nevermind, they're now saying that's not a rule.
Ah good someone caught it:
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edit:
QuoteI thought the Texican rebounder got fouled. Unless time had run out. They didn't show that synched with the clock.
Wouldn't have mattered either way score-wise, it just takes longer to brick two free throws.
I don't know much about Bball or really care about the sport but VCU is fun to watch.
At 99.7%, but VCU is gonna knock that down. At least I have Notre Dame advancing next round.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 20, 2011, 07:56:13 PM
At 99.7%
:yeahright:
Not in any brackets you have with us :lol:
And no Syracuse has ruined that bracket. Choking bastards. :glare:
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
Gratz Catz.
I cannot believe Arizona pulled that our of their ass.
:lol: neither can I, hope they can continue that shit versus Dookies.
Just watched a replay of the 5-second call.
I cannot come up with a way to consider that anything other than a pretty bad fuck up on the part of the official. He clearly had a 4 count by his arm, so why didn't he give the kid the TO?
That is just bizarre. The offcial later said he had 5 in his head - but why would your in the head count be different from your arm count? Hell, I don't think I could manage that even if I tried.
Stupid Irish. My Southwest bracket has more lines through it than one of Timmay's term papers.
Jimmer Fredette is Albert Brooks' love child.
Texas always finds new and exciting ways to lose in the tournament. This was definitely a new one.
Congrats to the Cats. Even without that bizarre call Texas did not deserve to win, they let Arizona have way too much success outside the arc for a team that centers everything around perimeter defense. The once mighty Texas defense has been pretty shaky the past 10 games.
Oh and thanks Big East. I actually thought you were good and now my bracket is toast.
So...does Arizona have any chance against fucking Duke scum on Thursday?
I am still bitter about 2001...
Apparently this is not a foul when you are Duke and you have 4 fouls...
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Quote from: Valmy on March 21, 2011, 08:34:28 AM
Oh and thanks Big East. I actually thought you were good and now my bracket is toast.
Even though I made a conscious effort to hedge my bets & not be too much of a Big East homer, my brackets *still* got screwed over by Big East teams. I don't know if I've ever seen a conference so dominant in non-conference play throughout the regular season disappoint so much come tournament time as the Big East did this year.
WVU gets a pass since they played an extremely talented & under-seeded UK team, as do the two teams that lost to Big East teams. And I can't fault Nova since they were a 9 seed losing to an 8 seed. St. John's hasn't been to the tourney in eons so I didn't expect a whole lot there. But Georgetown, Pitt, Louisville & Notre Dame are all on my shit list.
As bad as my brackets are, if Duke goes all the way I'm pretty much guaranteed money on my Bengals bracket.
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AM
So...does Arizona have any chance against fucking Duke scum on Thursday?
I am still bitter about 2001...
Apparently this is not a foul when you are Duke and you have 4 fouls...
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I'm with you in spirit but since there's money involved I have to root for Duke :(
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AMSo...does Arizona have any chance against fucking Duke scum on Thursday?
Yeah, they looked quite beatable yesterday. Fuck Duke go Cats.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 21, 2011, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AMSo...does Arizona have any chance against fucking Duke scum on Thursday?
Yeah, they looked quite beatable yesterday. Fuck Duke go Cats.
One thing we can all agree on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=119YpI9fSwo
Is Duke like the Pats? or like the Habs?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 21, 2011, 03:57:06 PM
Is Duke like the Pats? or like the Habs?
Duke is everybody's bandwagon team.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 21, 2011, 03:57:06 PM
Is Duke like the Pats? or like the Habs?
Duke competes at a high level every year, with a team made up mostly of goofy white guys, a few black kids who have the grades and scores for Duke, without a hint of recruiting violations. They really have no parallel in college basketball, or for any other sport at any level.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 21, 2011, 01:44:19 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AMSo...does Arizona have any chance against fucking Duke scum on Thursday?
Yeah, they looked quite beatable yesterday. Fuck Duke go Cats.
Nah, that's no good for me--I got UConn beating Duke next round.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 21, 2011, 05:42:40 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 21, 2011, 03:57:06 PM
Is Duke like the Pats? or like the Habs?
Duke competes at a high level every year, with a team made up mostly of goofy white guys, a few black kids who have the grades and scores for Duke, without a hint of recruiting violations. They really have no parallel in college basketball, or for any other sport at any level.
Without a hint? I don't know about that.
The reason to hate Duke is because they are a bunch of fucking hypocrites, and that starts with their grade-A asshole of a douchebag Wooden wannabe coach.
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AM
Apparently this is not a foul when you are Duke and you have 4 fouls...
The hell do you know about fouls, you can't even recognize goaltending when you see it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 21, 2011, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AM
Apparently this is not a foul when you are Duke and you have 4 fouls...
The hell do you know about fouls, you can't even recognize goaltending when you see it.
You're gay for Coach K, aren't you?
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 21, 2011, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 21, 2011, 09:03:02 AM
Apparently this is not a foul when you are Duke and you have 4 fouls...
The hell do you know about fouls, you can't even recognize goaltending when you see it.
You're gay for Coach K, aren't you?
I'm not pro-Duke, I'm anti-Zona. Wake me when two-a-days start, and I shall embrace you as a friend once more. :hug:
No worries, I realize most Terapins "fans" are closet Dookies.
Quote from: Berkut on March 22, 2011, 12:41:43 AM
No worries, I realize most Terapins "fans" are closet Dookies.
Leave it to an Arizona grad to spell Terrapins wrong.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 22, 2011, 03:02:33 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 22, 2011, 12:41:43 AM
No worries, I realize most Terapins "fans" are closet Dookies.
Leave it to an Arizona grad to spell Terrapins wrong.
It's not like anyone would notice.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 20, 2011, 07:56:13 PM
At 99.7%, but VCU is gonna knock that down. At least I have Notre Dame advancing next round.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 21, 2011, 05:58:19 AM
Stupid Irish. My Southwest bracket has more lines through it than one of Timmay's term papers.
Speaking of Madness, the end of this game broke the poor announcer.
http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/03/21/how-to-ruin-a-spanish-announcers-voice/?mod=google_news_blog
Aaaaand we're off in running in the Sweet Sixteen. :ccr
Fredette is 1/7 and Magicpants are only down by 4. Go figure.
I'm shocked to have my two brackets in the lead!
Seeya Muack.
Not looking good for Dookies.
Derrick Williams can play a little ball.
Demolition of Duke.
So much for AZ's old rep as a tourney underachiever.
I called it. :cool:
"Arizona physically and mentally abused Duke".
Oh yes, yes indeed. Derrick Williams is NPOY.
:menace:
Texas...Arizona....it doesn't matter in this case. As long as Duke gets got taken out.
The last time a Duke was murdered like this, it started World War I. Duke sucks
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Now as a personal favor they need to knock off those other Huskies on Saturday.
Quote from: katmai on March 25, 2011, 12:25:31 AM
Now as a personal favor they need to knock off those other Huskies on Saturday.
:ultra:
WTH is UCONN doing in West?
Quote from: Berkut on March 24, 2011, 11:02:23 PM
"Arizona physically and mentally abused Duke".
That was worth a broken bracket.
This
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My man love for Charles Barkley just continues to grow.
AT half time, three of the four analysts are sitting there gushing about how swell Duke is, how Arizona cannot handle their experience and poise and blahblahblah. Charles just sits there, and when they get to him..."Arizona is going to win this game."
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 05:57:57 AM
WTH is UCONN doing in West?
They move teams around geographically to balance the brackets.
NCAA is crazy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 25, 2011, 06:23:03 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 24, 2011, 11:02:23 PM
"Arizona physically and mentally abused Duke".
That was worth a broken bracket.
Yep. At first it felt like I was paying $20 just to have Duke lose, then I realized that's actually money well spent.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
NCAA is crazy.
How so? You don't want all the best teams crammed into one bracket.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
NCAA is crazy.
I think you do not really understand the region brackets. They are where the games are played not where the teams are from.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 25, 2011, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
NCAA is crazy.
How so? You don't want all the best teams crammed into one bracket.
Then don't call them regional finals & don't name the brackets with regional names.
Because nothing it does has face value sense. You always have to dig deeper on everything. When it's not Bball, it's the craziness that is the BCS & BFS, Title 9 intepretation, Hockey status as sport.
Everything is complicated.
The regions refer to where the games are played.
The NCAA usually makes some effort to put the 1 seeds in the region near their location so that the favorite can play a regional final relatively locally, but their main concern is balancing the brackets, as it should be.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 25, 2011, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
NCAA is crazy.
How so? You don't want all the best teams crammed into one bracket.
Then don't call them regional finals & don't name the brackets with regional names.
Because nothing it does has face value sense. You always have to dig deeper on everything. When it's not Bball, it's the craziness that is the BCS & BFS, Title 9 intepretation, Hockey status as sport.
Everything is complicated.
I tend to agree that it would make more sense if they didn't name the regions geographically when they're not geographicall based, but it's hardly a big deal.
As for the rest of your post, well, we've discussed the BCS here a lot already, I don't know what BFS is, Title 9 is federal law that the NCAA doesn't really have much to do with, and I'm not familiar with any controvery involving hockey's status as a sport.
Is there any particular reason why the College shot clock is longer than the pros?
So only one numbah one can make it to FF.
And DIAF Timmay
VCU is awesome.
Quote from: dps on March 25, 2011, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 25, 2011, 10:25:45 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 25, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
NCAA is crazy.
How so? You don't want all the best teams crammed into one bracket.
Then don't call them regional finals & don't name the brackets with regional names.
Because nothing it does has face value sense. You always have to dig deeper on everything. When it's not Bball, it's the craziness that is the BCS & BFS, Title 9 intepretation, Hockey status as sport.
Everything is complicated.
I tend to agree that it would make more sense if they didn't name the regions geographically when they're not geographicall based, but it's hardly a big deal.
As for the rest of your post, well, we've discussed the BCS here a lot already, I don't know what BFS is, Title 9 is federal law that the NCAA doesn't really have much to do with, and I'm not familiar with any controvery involving hockey's status as a sport.
I meant FCS. Lolz.
FCS?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 26, 2011, 01:47:51 PM
FCS?
He is talking about the Football Championship Subdivision...the Division I schools who play in the playoffs and do not go to bowls. The division formerly known as Division I-AA.
I'm glad Ohio State got knocked out.
So sick of Cinderella bullshit.
Butler just got past Florida.
That was the first time I have watched a college bball game for more than a minute or two this year. What a great game.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 26, 2011, 05:54:57 PM
So sick of Cinderella bullshit.
Stop being an SEC honk, especially during hoops season.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 26, 2011, 05:54:57 PM
So sick of Cinderella bullshit.
Sad your SEC bandwagon broke down? The ACC misses you man.
Butler sucks.
SEC honk? :uncertain:
Quote from: sbr on March 26, 2011, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2011, 06:18:01 PM
Butler sucks.
Florida swallows.
Hell, Butler has trouble in the Horizon league. Watching Wright State beat them this year was a treat.
Zona's big cheese has three fouls at the half. They are: fucked.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2011, 06:18:01 PM
Butler sucks.
I wish Texas sucked as hard as Butler does.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 26, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2011, 03:04:07 PM
I'm glad Ohio State got knocked out.
Why?
So people can forget the basketball team and get back to what really matters: seeing how many years the NCAA puts the football program on probation.
Btw the game between Arizona and UConn? Totally awesome.
Two terrific games today. The NBA cannot touch college basketball at it's best. Happy to see conn win but too bad AZ is out. They brought a lot of excitement to the tourney,
Zona was quite impressive, yes. Pulled up my respect for the Pac10 a little.
Fucking wildcats, always failing me!
Damn, that was a hell of a game. Arizona had their chances, but they missed too many free throws, and couldn't get one of those last three's to fall their way. Actually, their outside shooting was terrible all night.
Still, they've been playing on house money for some time - still an incredible season.
They will be favorites if Williams sticks around, otherwise should be up for grabs between Zona, UCLA (depends on how many Underclassman stick around) and Washington.
Shit, we will be pre-season top-10 if Williams sticks around. Maybe top-5.
But he isn't going to stick around.
Quote from: Berkut on March 26, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Shit, we will be pre-season top-10 if Williams sticks around. Maybe top-5.
But he isn't going to stick around.
:lol: I know was being sarcastic.
Even so they will be fighting for 1-3 in the conference.
Quote from: Valmy on March 26, 2011, 08:01:24 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 26, 2011, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 26, 2011, 03:04:07 PM
I'm glad Ohio State got knocked out.
Why?
So people can forget the basketball team and get back to what really matters: seeing how many years the NCAA puts the football program on probation.
So mean. Twilight of the Sweater Vest. :cry:
CINDERELLA VCU is up by 14 at the half over Kansas.
CINDERELLA CINDERELLA CINDERELLA
Oy vey!
I wonder if anybody had Butler and VCU in the final four?
I wonder how many people had VCU in their brackets at all, they were in the play-in game on that Wednesday before the 'real' tourney started. I heard a lot of bracket pools left those play-in games out completely.
High quality game between Kentucky and NC.
Read somewhere that Calimari is the highest paid college coach at 4 mill and change a year.
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
I wonder if anybody had Butler and VCU in the final four?
I had Syracuse, Kansas, UConn, and Florida.
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
I wonder if anybody had Butler and VCU in the final four?
If Kentucky holds on, then IIRC out of the 5.9 million brackets at ESPN a grand total of 2 would have predicted the Final Four.
I would root for Satan himself if his team was playing against Butler.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 27, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
I would root for Satan himself if his team was playing against Butler.
Butler doesn't play hockey.
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
I wonder if anybody had Butler and VCU in the final four?
"@ESPN_Fantasy: Exactly 2 brackets out of 5.9 million-plus entered in Tournament Challenge got the entire Final Four correct." So yes Tim, you are correct.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 28, 2011, 01:49:42 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 27, 2011, 04:27:33 PM
I wonder if anybody had Butler and VCU in the final four?
"@ESPN_Fantasy: Exactly 2 brackets out of 5.9 million-plus entered in Tournament Challenge got the entire Final Four correct." So yes Tim, you are correct.
Genius or Luck? :hmm:
Quote from: PDH on March 27, 2011, 07:55:10 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 27, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
I would root for Satan himself if his team was playing against Butler.
Butler doesn't play hockey.
:)
No one in my entire office got a single team in the final four in their brackets. :lol:
One of my Final Four picks (Notre Dame) is in the Frozen Four, but apparently that isn't worth points. :(
The odds on this final 4 was ridiculous. :D
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/28764/so-just-how-unlikely-is-this-final-four
ESPN's The Fab Five documentary is pretty interesting.
NCAA rules are dumb.
Quote from: Savonarola on March 28, 2011, 01:43:14 PM
No one in my entire office got a single team in the final four in their brackets. :lol:
One of my Final Four picks (Notre Dame) is in the Frozen Four, but apparently that isn't worth points. :(
We had some UK homers in my office and in my brother's office :rolleyes:
I almost picked UCONN but decided against it since they ended the regular season on a cold streak.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 28, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
ESPN's The Fab Five documentary is pretty interesting.
NCAA rules are dumb.
I haven't seen it but I want to. I have heard it was pretty good but with Jalen Rose and Juwan Howard as producers it did gloss over some stuff, not as much as the UNLV "documentary" that was on HBO though.
If you guys get the chance, and if you want to see some ridiculous shit, check out the ESPN 30 for 30 flick about 80's SMU. IIRC it's called The Pony Excess.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
If you guys get the chance, and if you want to see some ridiculous shit, check out the ESPN 30 for 30 flick about 80's SMU. IIRC it's called The Pony Excess.
Now that was an out of control program. Not Barry Switzer out of control, but still whacked.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 28, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
ESPN's The Fab Five documentary is pretty interesting.
NCAA rules are dumb.
You should always know how many time outs you have. Always.
He might be talking about the whole vacating those years cause of Webber to boot?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
If you guys get the chance, and if you want to see some ridiculous shit, check out the ESPN 30 for 30 flick about 80's SMU. IIRC it's called The Pony Excess.
Also, watch the one on the U. Totally hilarious. Especially the Cotton bowl stuff.
Quote from: katmai on March 29, 2011, 06:21:03 AM
He might be talking about the whole vacating those years cause of Webber to boot?
This.
NCAA rules of the actual games are fine, even if I don't know 99% of them. It's the amateur BS that I find dumb.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
If you guys get the chance, and if you want to see some ridiculous shit, check out the ESPN 30 for 30 flick about 80's SMU. IIRC it's called The Pony Excess.
I have that sitting on my Tivo, haven't watched it yet. I don't think I have the Miami one, I have been watching for it.
Quote from: derspiess on March 28, 2011, 09:13:35 PM
I almost picked UCONN but decided against it since they ended the regular season on a cold streak.
But they looked very, very good in the Big East Tourney. My dad do a round by round bracket every year, which we usually forget to pick for once the first break hits. This year, I actually had picked VCU through the sit in game and the first two rounds of the tourney. Throw in my usual pick of taking my team, aka UCONN, and it makes me kind of wish I'd filled out a real bracket. Oh well. AT least it's been an interesting Tourney and something to get me through till the start of baseball season and the inevitable downturn of the 2nd place Spring Training Royals! hahaha
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 29, 2011, 07:10:29 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
If you guys get the chance, and if you want to see some ridiculous shit, check out the ESPN 30 for 30 flick about 80's SMU. IIRC it's called The Pony Excess.
Also, watch the one on the U. Totally hilarious. Especially the Cotton bowl stuff.
I was 13 at the time. I cried.
Quote from: Valmy on March 29, 2011, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 29, 2011, 07:10:29 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 28, 2011, 11:48:16 PM
If you guys get the chance, and if you want to see some ridiculous shit, check out the ESPN 30 for 30 flick about 80's SMU. IIRC it's called The Pony Excess.
Also, watch the one on the U. Totally hilarious. Especially the Cotton bowl stuff.
I was 13 at the time. I cried.
Man up
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2011, 07:13:37 AM
Man up
If only you had been there 20 years ago to tell me that.
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2011, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2011, 07:13:37 AM
Man up
If only you had been there 20 years ago to tell me that.
When I get my time machine working again, I will.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2011, 07:54:02 AM
Quote from: Valmy on March 30, 2011, 07:52:54 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 30, 2011, 07:13:37 AM
Man up
If only you had been there 20 years ago to tell me that.
When I get my time machine working again, I will.
Priorities! ensuring no Tim O. takes precedent!
Ed went back in time and killed Tim's dad. Then as Tim's dad was dead he convinced himself Tim would never be and allowed himself to console Tim's mom. Result- Ed became Tim's dad. :D
egads!
Calipari and Calhoun under investigation again. <_<
scumbags (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=Ah4p5uK04IisSEPSuJEvjYQ5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_Final_Four_marred_by_new_probes_into_UK_UConn_040111)
Thanks Neil :hug:
Seriously the two of you are a fucking joke.
Great game so far. I have decided that Butler will win it all. :yes:
Oh, how do they call that now after letting so much go until now?
Quote from: sbr on April 02, 2011, 07:03:27 PM
Great game so far. I have decided that Butler will win it all. :yes:
:mad:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 02, 2011, 07:03:27 PM
Great game so far. I have decided that Butler will win it all. :yes:
:mad:
I knew you wouldn't be happy, but unfortunately it has been decided.
:yeah:
I fucking hate Tim.
Quote from: katmai on March 30, 2011, 08:03:10 AM
Priorities! ensuring no Tim O. takes precedent!
At first I read this as "Tim O. takes president!" Then I realized what you really posted. Then I thought about what the world would be like if Tim actually did become President. :hmm:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I fucking hate Tim.
What does Tim have to do with this, does he have Butler in a bracket?
UConn, don't make me support Kentucky in the finals. Do your duty, you fucks.
Quote from: sbr on April 02, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I fucking hate Tim.
What does Tim have to do with this, does he have Butler in a bracket?
I assume Tim tainted VCU.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
UConn, don't make me support Kentucky in the finals. Do your duty, you fucks.
It doesn't matter, this Final Four will be vacated within 4 years just like the other 2 Calipari had been to.
With the Virginians and Kentuckians going down we have an all yankee final. The union forever!
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
UConn, don't make me support Kentucky in the finals. Do your duty, you fucks.
:yeah: At least someone's Huskies can play ball.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 02, 2011, 10:55:56 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
UConn, don't make me support Kentucky in the finals. Do your duty, you fucks.
:yeah: At least someone's Huskies can play ball.
Odds till when they vacate this years run because of violations :lmfao:
Whatever. Still legit in my eyes. Fuck the NCAA and their regulations. Between college football and basketball, they're some of the most fucked up, backward policy makers and enforcers ever.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 02, 2011, 11:14:51 PM
Whatever. Still legit in my eyes. Fuck the NCAA and their regulations. Between college football and basketball, they're some of the most fucked up, backward policy makers and enforcers ever.
When someone picks loser teams like Raiders and Royals have to grasp to whatever they can get I see. :nelson:
Truth. :weep:
I am very happy with the winner today, now it is up to Butler to fulfill their destiny.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 02, 2011, 11:29:09 PM
Truth. :weep:
:P
@SBR yeah think I have to root for Bulldogs.
:lol: for you BA from the Sports Guy twitter feed
Quotesportsguy33
I'm enjoying the To Be Vacated Later Classic.
:nelson: I can mock everyone at work on Monday. :yeah:
Quote from: Caliga on April 03, 2011, 06:18:47 AM
:nelson: I can mock everyone at work on Monday. :yeah:
Um dude they made it to the Final Four thus vastly exceeding expectations.
:bleeding:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 04, 2011, 09:10:30 PM
:bleeding:
This is the way Butler needs the game if wants to win.
Quote from: katmai on April 04, 2011, 09:20:57 PM
This is the way Butler needs the game if wants to win.
I suppose, but it was still hard to watch a 22-19 half. Nice shot at the buzzer, at least.
Edit: Christ...Butler shooting 18% so far. UConn is at 33%. 9 blocks for the Huskies already.
Uh oh. Butler dropping some threes. It would be hilarious if they somehow managed to win this shitfest (no way).
Hey at least they broke 40, right? 18% shooting in the National Championship game. Wow.
:punk: Big East = vindicated
Katmai's next line- "UConn go fuck yourself."
Damn. Fuck Jim Calhoun, hopefully the next bout with cancer is the one that sticks.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on April 04, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
Katmai's next line- "UConn go fuck yourself."
:huh:
Nah they played good D, and Butler even when had a open shot couldn't do shit.
Thank Hod for UCONN, or I'd never back a winner. :lol:
College students going to schools like Butler need to learn that dreams die. Just like adults learn.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that must have been a hideous game.
Also, can you please expand on the vacated titles and ridiculous regulations thingies?
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:09:10 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but that must have been a hideous game.
Oh god yes.
What vacated titles? So far I don't know of any champion that has had to do so, but a few teams with Final Four Appearances and Runner ups (Michigan '92 & '93)
UMass had its 4-1 1996 NCAA Tournament record vacated when the NCAA discovered that UMass player Marcus Camby had accepted money and gifts from an agent
and
Memphis (On August 20, the NCAA ruled that Rose was ineligible and forced Memphis to vacate the entire 2007-08 season, including the NCAA Tournament and its standing as runner-up. It took the line that even though Rose's score had not been thrown out by the Educational Testing Service, which administers the SAT, until after the season, strict liability required that Rose be ruled ineligible. The committee also determined that even without the questions about his SAT score, he would have lost his eligibility in December 2007 due to his brother being allowed to travel with the team for free)
Wasn't there also a Turkish center that played in one of the big teams that was forced to sit out because he had gotten some money back when he played in Turkey? I got the impression that the league was being way overzealous with the "you can't get any money at all to play with us" mantra.
sbr has been noted for his Butler cocksucking. We shant forget.
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:24:05 AM
Wasn't there also a Turkish center that played in one of the big teams that was forced to sit out because he had gotten some money back when he played in Turkey? I got the impression that the league was being way overzealous with the "you can't get any money at all to play with us" mantra.
Enes Kanter, he made verbal to U of Washington when he was lighty recruited, then after some showing in Summer Camps he switched to Kentucky. But before he ever played a game it came to light he and family had taken money from Turkish pro clubs.
Overzealous? Heh the mantra of NCAA is they are amateurs, but as it has been for pretty much the whole existence of the organization has been dealing with students getting money and goods from 3rd parties.
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2011, 06:29:36 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:24:05 AM
Wasn't there also a Turkish center that played in one of the big teams that was forced to sit out because he had gotten some money back when he played in Turkey? I got the impression that the league was being way overzealous with the "you can't get any money at all to play with us" mantra.
Enes Kanter, he made verbal to U of Washington when he was lighty recruited, then after some showing in Summer Camps he switched to Kentucky. But before he ever played a game it came to light he and family had taken money from Turkish pro clubs.
Overzealous? Heh the mantra of NCAA is they are amateurs, but as it has been for pretty much the whole existence of the organization has been dealing with students getting money and goods from 3rd parties.
But that seems ridiculous to me. The guy was playing pro basketball in Europe before going to the US for university. I *could* understand wanting to implement hardcore amateurism during the college years, as backwards and disingenious as it seems to me, but punishing the player from something that happened before he played there seems ludicrous.
It is ridiculous but it's the NCAA. Every decision they take is ridiculous.
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:39:20 AM
But that seems ridiculous to me. The guy was playing pro basketball in Europe before going to the US for university. I *could* understand wanting to implement hardcore amateurism during the college years, as backwards and disingenious as it seems to me, but punishing the player from something that happened before he played there seems ludicrous.
Being an amateur is like being a virgin. It doesn't grow back.
Oddly enough though amateur status goes sport by sport. Some college had a kicker who played for a while in pro fodbol before washing out.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2011, 06:41:38 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:39:20 AM
But that seems ridiculous to me. The guy was playing pro basketball in Europe before going to the US for university. I *could* understand wanting to implement hardcore amateurism during the college years, as backwards and disingenious as it seems to me, but punishing the player from something that happened before he played there seems ludicrous.
Being an amateur is like being a virgin. It doesn't grow back.
Oddly enough though amateur status goes sport by sport. Some college had a kicker who played for a while in pro fodbol before washing out.
You talking about my boy Barclay at THE Ohio State?
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2011, 06:42:42 AM
You talking about my boy Barclay at THE Ohio State?
Not sure. You tell me.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2011, 06:45:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 05, 2011, 06:42:42 AM
You talking about my boy Barclay at THE Ohio State?
Not sure. You tell me.
Yep.
QuoteDevin Barclay (born April 9, 1983 in Annapolis, Maryland) is an amateur American football placekicker for The Ohio State Buckeyes. He was formerly a professional soccer player,[1] who last played for the Columbus Crew of Major League Soccer.
Also, Joe Bauserman of Ohio State used to play in the Pirates minor league system. Frankly, he sucks at both.
Quote from: katmai on April 05, 2011, 06:16:39 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:09:10 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but that must have been a hideous game.
Oh god yes.
What vacated titles? So far I don't know of any champion that has had to do so, but a few teams with Final Four Appearances and Runner ups (Michigan '92 & '93)
UMass had its 4-1 1996 NCAA Tournament record vacated when the NCAA discovered that UMass player Marcus Camby had accepted money and gifts from an agent
and
Memphis (On August 20, the NCAA ruled that Rose was ineligible and forced Memphis to vacate the entire 2007-08 season, including the NCAA Tournament and its standing as runner-up. It took the line that even though Rose's score had not been thrown out by the Educational Testing Service, which administers the SAT, until after the season, strict liability required that Rose be ruled ineligible. The committee also determined that even without the questions about his SAT score, he would have lost his eligibility in December 2007 due to his brother being allowed to travel with the team for free)
Apparently Dennis Dodd from CBS Sportsline asked Calipari what it was like to be in his first Final Four. :D I didn't catch the whole interview to hear Calipari's response.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 05, 2011, 06:41:38 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2011, 06:39:20 AM
But that seems ridiculous to me. The guy was playing pro basketball in Europe before going to the US for university. I *could* understand wanting to implement hardcore amateurism during the college years, as backwards and disingenious as it seems to me, but punishing the player from something that happened before he played there seems ludicrous.
Being an amateur is like being a virgin. It doesn't grow back.
Oddly enough though amateur status goes sport by sport. Some college had a kicker who played for a while in pro fodbol before washing out.
Yep many 'amateur' football players have been professional baseball players before or during their college careers, including Heisman winner Chris Weinke. Yet at the same time they wouldn't let Jeremy Bloom receive endorsement money so he could try and make the '06 Olympic skiing team.
Quote from: sbr on April 05, 2011, 07:26:24 AM
Yep many 'amateur' football players have been professional baseball players before or during their college careers, including Heisman winner Chris Weinke. Yet at the same time they wouldn't let Jeremy Bloom receive endorsement money so he could try and make the '06 Olympic skiing team.
Well I think Weinke was like Jake Locker and most other guys who have signed baseball contracts and going to college on own dime, not receiving a scholarship from the school
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 02, 2011, 03:21:31 AM
Calipari and Calhoun under investigation again. <_<
scumbags (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=Ah4p5uK04IisSEPSuJEvjYQ5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_Final_Four_marred_by_new_probes_into_UK_UConn_040111)
Thanks Neil :hug:
OMG, someone who was not on the special list of people allowed to phone recruits said he actually did pick up the phone and called someone!
Are the NCAA rules really that nuts?
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2011, 10:25:34 PM
:punk: Big East = vindicated
Uhhh, no. UConn scraping their way to the championship doesn't excuse the other 10 teams that were supposedly so awesome choking.
There was also a couple issues with Big East on Big East violence. When you factor that in, and the general crazy nature of this year's tournament, I think they handled themselves pretty well as a conference. Of course, you've already made up your mind so this isn't directed at you so much as for others. :lol:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 05, 2011, 04:27:03 PM
There was also a couple issues with Big East on Big East violence.
The worst sort of violence. :(
It goes on every day; Big East people should have a week where they just fight Pac-10 people.
Nobody is going to remember what the other 10 Big East teams did. The fact a Big East team won the '11 Tournament is what will be remembered.
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
Nobody is going to remember what the other 10 Big East teams did. The fact a Big East team won the '11 Tournament is what will be remembered.
Not sure about that. Wasnt this the first time this many teams from one conference made it to the dance. I think their collective performance is going to weigh heavily against giving that much preference to a conference again.
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
Nobody is going to remember what the other 10 Big East teams did. The fact a Big East team won the '11 Tournament is what will be remembered.
True, the ignorant and shallow will only remember who won. Those of us with a little more sophisticated view can, however, still sit back and say "See, told you so...."