Interesting that a lot of discussion in that forum currently consists of debating whether or not Sengoku will be a knockoff of Shogun Total War II and p'dox reminding posters to stick to discussing Sengoku.
Is this that project glory thing?
Yes.
Here is the thing: the premise of having a CK-ish game in a somewhat different enviroment is good. But, the theme is EXTREMELY overdone, even without releasing it at the time when the major bugs of the Shogun 2 game will be patched.
Garbon, have you finished the map yet? ;)
What, they decided rather than actually make Divine Wind they are gonna do this? It has some cool features, but let's hop they add more details than three houses...
Edit: They've already decided that firearms can only be purchased if you have good relations with the Dutch and Portuguese. When soembody pointed out that firearms were produced in Japan, the reply was "gameplay trumps history."
Outlook: Not good.
Bandwagoning a Total War game? This can only mean succes... :bleeding:
Wow, the mods shut down a thread because it suggested a Three Kingdoms Expansion. Weird.
Hmm, it was shutdown because "I think this thread has served its purpose. Some nice discussions but this forum is for Sengoku, not a hypothetical expansion which would essentially be a totally different game. Feel free to start a new thread on this topic in the Paradox General Discussion forum."
Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.
Quote from: frunk on March 09, 2011, 05:48:46 PM
Hmm, it was shutdown because "I think this thread has served its purpose. Some nice discussions but this forum is for Sengoku, not a hypothetical expansion which would essentially be a totally different game. Feel free to start a new thread on this topic in the Paradox General Discussion forum."
Doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.
Pretty much everything is going to be off-topic in that forum if you limit brainstorming. After all, there isn't much real data out there on the game to discuss. :P
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2011, 06:42:36 PM
Pretty much everything is going to be off-topic in that forum if you limit brainstorming. After all, there isn't much real data out there on the game to discuss. :P
The thread went four pages with Johan contributing before it went downhill. I think it ran its course.
I'll admit that I don't care either way. :blush: I probably won't look at the Sengoku forum until closer till release, as what's the point?
Quote from: Tamas on March 06, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
Here is the thing: the premise of having a CK-ish game in a somewhat different enviroment is good. But, the theme is EXTREMELY overdone, even without releasing it at the time when the major bugs of the Shogun 2 game will be patched.
Indeed.
Again I add my shout for a ancient Greek city states game.
Quote from: Tyr on March 10, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
Again I add my shout for a ancient Greek city states game.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Tamas on March 06, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
Here is the thing: the premise of having a CK-ish game in a somewhat different enviroment is good. But, the theme is EXTREMELY overdone, even without releasing it at the time when the major bugs of the Shogun 2 game will be patched.
EXTREMELY overdone? Really?
Quote from: Caliga on March 10, 2011, 03:13:34 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 10, 2011, 03:12:19 PM
Again I add my shout for a ancient Greek city states game.
:thumbsup:
On BGG, Mark Herman said that he is working on iPad games, such as version of his Peloponnesan war game.
I don't think the Sengoku period is overdone that much.
In terms of other eras, a good modern-day game might be fun. I also wouldn't mind having Paradox try their hand at creating a more open-ended strategy game with random maps and nations, in the vein of Civ or to some extent Imperialism.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on March 11, 2011, 08:57:02 PM
I don't think the Sengoku period is overdone that much.
In terms of other eras, a good modern-day game might be fun. I also wouldn't mind having Paradox try their hand at creating a more open-ended strategy game with random maps and nations, in the vein of Civ or to some extent Imperialism.
Back in the EU2 days I longed for random maps or at least alternative maps...
Quote from: Tyr on March 11, 2011, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on March 11, 2011, 08:57:02 PM
I don't think the Sengoku period is overdone that much.
In terms of other eras, a good modern-day game might be fun. I also wouldn't mind having Paradox try their hand at creating a more open-ended strategy game with random maps and nations, in the vein of Civ or to some extent Imperialism.
Back in the EU2 days I longed for random maps or at least alternative maps...
I would love to see EU3, or another similar game with random maps, especially for MP. Now everyone knows where everything is, it would be neat-o for exploration to actually be sailing into the unkonown, instead of the Spanish player sending his conquistadors right at central America and the gold mines there.
http://www.avault.com/previews/sengoku-pc-preview/#more-71060
Looks to be pretty much "CK: Japan", with ninjas and seppuku.
And endless bugs.
Looks good. Will buy when it's $10-15.
I'm actually really looking forward to this release. It is something quite different from what Paradox has done before.
I'm looking forward more to CK2.
Plus hopefully CK2 will iron out the design flaws/bugs/etc. present in Sengoku.
Also, I wish Korea was present so I could impose Kimchi on those Japanese barbarians.
I know one of the beta testers, who is an amateur academic and a main contributor to the Samurai Archives website. He has played or tested next to all recent board wargames AND computer games on Japanese history whose setting lay before the Meiji era, even those found in Japan and in Japanese language, and he said that it was the most historically accurate video game about feudal Japan he has ever played. If he vouches for it, it's because it's true, because contributors to the SA site don't tolerate bullshit about Feudal Japan history fed by vgames and anime crap.
Being that I am interested in the era as well, I cant wait for its release. This certainly promises not to be a Shogun 2 : Total War.
Quote from: Drakken on August 10, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
I know one of the beta testers, who is an amateur academic and a main contributor to the Samurai Archives website. He has played or tested next to all recent board wargames AND computer games on Japanese history whose setting lay before the Meiji era, even those found in Japan and in Japanese language, and he said that it was the most historically accurate video game about feudal Japan he has ever played. If he vouches for it, it's because it's true, because contributors to the SA site don't tolerate bullshit about Feudal Japan history fed by vgames and anime crap.
Being that I am interested in the era as well, I cant wait for its release. This certainly promises not to be a Shogun 2 : Total War.
So it will have giant enemy crabs? :P
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 10, 2011, 10:57:08 PM
Quote from: Drakken on August 10, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
I know one of the beta testers, who is an amateur academic and a main contributor to the Samurai Archives website. He has played or tested next to all recent board wargames AND computer games on Japanese history whose setting lay before the Meiji era, even those found in Japan and in Japanese language, and he said that it was the most historically accurate video game about feudal Japan he has ever played. If he vouches for it, it's because it's true, because contributors to the SA site don't tolerate bullshit about Feudal Japan history fed by vgames and anime crap.
Being that I am interested in the era as well, I cant wait for its release. This certainly promises not to be a Shogun 2 : Total War.
So it will have giant enemy crabs? :P
No, just...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpeevishguy.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F03%2Futyukaijyugamera_516_20080201.jpg%3Fw%3D581%26amp%3Bh%3D327&hash=f0578034a46d6b419164d8d9b408c0037d2fa846)
I'd totally forgotten about this.
And what was the verdict on Shogun 2?
I didn't like the demo but then set battles are rarely good, the graphics were very pretty though...
I'm getting some enjoyment out of Shogun 2 so far even though I've never been a huge Total War fan.
Quote from: Drakken on August 10, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
I know one of the beta testers, who is an amateur academic and a main contributor to the Samurai Archives website. He has played or tested next to all recent board wargames AND computer games on Japanese history whose setting lay before the Meiji era, even those found in Japan and in Japanese language, and he said that it was the most historically accurate video game about feudal Japan he has ever played. If he vouches for it, it's because it's true, because contributors to the SA site don't tolerate bullshit about Feudal Japan history fed by vgames and anime crap.
Being that I am interested in the era as well, I cant wait for its release. This certainly promises not to be a Shogun 2 : Total War.
This sounds great, but these are the guys who sold an expansion pack based on the Japanese Equivalent of the Carolingians seizing the French throne in 1453.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 14, 2011, 09:56:16 PMThis sounds great, but these are the guys who sold an expansion pack based on the Japanese Equivalent of the Carolingians seizing the French throne in 1453.
looks like a quarter of that forum's posts are made by drakken. "most accurate ancient japanese video game," might actually be correct given some of what comes out of japan these days :P
Quote from: Faeelin on August 14, 2011, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: Drakken on August 10, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
I know one of the beta testers, who is an amateur academic and a main contributor to the Samurai Archives website. He has played or tested next to all recent board wargames AND computer games on Japanese history whose setting lay before the Meiji era, even those found in Japan and in Japanese language, and he said that it was the most historically accurate video game about feudal Japan he has ever played. If he vouches for it, it's because it's true, because contributors to the SA site don't tolerate bullshit about Feudal Japan history fed by vgames and anime crap.
Being that I am interested in the era as well, I cant wait for its release. This certainly promises not to be a Shogun 2 : Total War.
This sounds great, but these are the guys who sold an expansion pack based on the Japanese Equivalent of the Carolingians seizing the French throne in 1453.
I've read this several times but I still don't get what you're talking about. Explanation?
Quote from: Tyr on August 19, 2011, 10:28:30 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on August 14, 2011, 09:56:16 PM
Quote from: Drakken on August 10, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
I know one of the beta testers, who is an amateur academic and a main contributor to the Samurai Archives website. He has played or tested next to all recent board wargames AND computer games on Japanese history whose setting lay before the Meiji era, even those found in Japan and in Japanese language, and he said that it was the most historically accurate video game about feudal Japan he has ever played. If he vouches for it, it's because it's true, because contributors to the SA site don't tolerate bullshit about Feudal Japan history fed by vgames and anime crap.
Being that I am interested in the era as well, I cant wait for its release. This certainly promises not to be a Shogun 2 : Total War.
This sounds great, but these are the guys who sold an expansion pack based on the Japanese Equivalent of the Carolingians seizing the French throne in 1453.
I've read this several times but I still don't get what you're talking about. Explanation?
EU3, Divine Wind, reduces the Sengoku to three dynasties, at least one of which (I forget which three were in it, but remember this) was not a significant player. It had three diplomacy options, and basically sucked balls.
This was their last "asian focused mod." So color me skeptical.
Well yeah however, Japan is a big deal to nerds in their 20s and younger, and as I understand, it is the Timmay of Paradox (in terms of japanophilia) who is doing the game.
The good thing about games based on this period is that there's not really that much authoritative literature about it in the west, leave alone general knowledge of the events. So devs can get away with more inaccuracies then others.
Unlike WW2 where you'll have three dozen self proclaimed experts who will argue their points how a June 1944 Pz Division had 12, not 6 field kitchens and that the angle of the T-34's armor is 1.4 degrees off.
Quote from: Faeelin on August 19, 2011, 11:29:35 PM
EU3, Divine Wind, reduces the Sengoku to three dynasties, at least one of which (I forget which three were in it, but remember this) was not a significant player. It had three diplomacy options, and basically sucked balls.
This was their last "asian focused mod." So color me skeptical.
Aha.
Well...in Divine Wind's defence EU has always over simplified and sucked at representing the internal politics of individual nations.
I mentioned it in the book thread but for any non-expert interested in the Sengoku period I recommend George Sansom's A History of Japan 1334-1615. I've only gotten to the 1360s yet but it's pretty nice. I looked for a general history of the period for years before I found it.
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: Tamas on March 06, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
Here is the thing: the premise of having a CK-ish game in a somewhat different enviroment is good. But, the theme is EXTREMELY overdone, even without releasing it at the time when the major bugs of the Shogun 2 game will be patched.
EXTREMELY overdone? Really?
Yeah besides that Total War game...what exactly?
But maybe that is all Asian History deserves :P
Quote from: Tamas on August 20, 2011, 02:32:19 AM
Well yeah however, Japan is a big deal to nerds in their 20s and younger, and as I understand, it is the Timmay of Paradox (in terms of japanophilia) who is doing the game.
Frankly I know next to nothing about Japanese History.
They had an Emperor with no power and a bunch of sects who fought alot...and once the Mongols tried to invade but got Medina-Sidona'd.
Do these nerds really know anything about actual Japanese History and not the Anime version where every Shogun was a 14 year old ninja-Samurai with weird colored hair?
Quote from: Valmy on August 22, 2011, 09:23:52 AM
Do these nerds really know anything about actual Japanese History and not the Anime version where every Shogun was a 14 year old ninja-Samurai with weird colored hair?
No. They get baffled when told that Turnbull is a hack and a plagiarist, because it's what they read to convince themselves
this is history. <_<
You'd love the Samurai Archives forum. From time to time they get a wannabee that wants to learn more about history because he loves Sengoku Warriors games and Anime, and asks completely silly questions based on these (like "was Akechi Mitsuhide the lover of Oda Nobunaga?" or "Was Uesugi Kenshin in reality a woman?"). Oh boy they get trashed good. :lmfao:
Hahaha...:mellow:
Quote from: Valmy on August 22, 2011, 09:37:20 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 22, 2011, 09:34:15 AM
Hahaha...:mellow:
:huh:
I don't think his examples of ridiculous questions would seem ridiculous to most people...let alone hilarious. :P
Quote from: garbon on August 22, 2011, 10:24:25 AM
I don't think his examples of ridiculous questions would seem ridiculous to most people...let alone hilarious. :P
Maybe not to you whose knowledge of Japanese history is lacking, but this kind of question is akind to asking whether John Wilkes Booth was Abraham Lincoln's lover and he killed him in a fit of jealousy, or whether Robert E. Lee was a woman crossdressing as a man, just because we'd see this parroted as "history" in, say, a stupid children Sunday cartoon on Fox, a play, or in
Birth of a Nation.
I wouldn't go on Axis History Forum asking whether Hitler's hate was really so strong kind people would melt just by him looking at them, because I've seen it on Captain Planet... although doing it to piss these crypto-Nazis off might be fun.
Quote from: Drakken on August 22, 2011, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 22, 2011, 10:24:25 AM
I don't think his examples of ridiculous questions would seem ridiculous to most people...let alone hilarious. :P
Maybe not to you whose knowledge of Japanese history is lacking, but this kind of question is akind to asking whether John Wilkes Booth was Abraham Lincoln's lover and he killed him in a fit of jealousy, or whether Robert E. Lee was a woman crossdressing as a man, just because we'd see this parroted as "history" in, say, a stupid children Sunday cartoon on Fox, a play, or in Birth of a Nation.
I wouldn't go on Axis History Forum asking whether Hitler's hate was really so strong kind people would melt just by him looking at them, because I've seen it on Captain Planet... although doing it to piss these crypto-Nazis off might be fun.
My point was that most people lack that specific knowledge. :contract:
And really your last Hitler example is ridiculous as it's not even possible. The Lincoln examples are at least in the realm of possibility for people who don't really know anything about them.
Quote from: garbon on August 22, 2011, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 22, 2011, 09:37:20 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 22, 2011, 09:34:15 AM
Hahaha...:mellow:
:huh:
I don't think his examples of ridiculous questions would seem ridiculous to most people...let alone hilarious. :P
Gotcha. I had no idea who the people were that Drakken was talking about so I had no idea if that was hilarious or not.
Parading your complete ignorance of Japanese history is cool these days? I'm getting old.
Quote from: Drakken on August 22, 2011, 09:31:43 AM
You'd love the Samurai Archives forum. From time to time they get a wannabee that wants to learn more about history because he loves Sengoku Warriors games and Anime, and asks completely silly questions based on these (like "was Akechi Mitsuhide the lover of Oda Nobunaga?" or "Was Uesugi Kenshin in reality a woman?"). Oh boy they get trashed good. :lmfao:
So basically it is a place where people come innocently seeking knowledge and understanding, and are mocked and flamed for their trouble?
While the model seems familiar, it doesn't say good things IMO about a forum that is proclaiming to seek historical knowledge.
Quote from: The Brain on August 22, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
Parading your complete ignorance of Japanese history is cool these days? I'm getting old.
Clearly not that old if you are caring about what is cool.
I was going to register on those forums to ask about the role of giant crabs in Japanese history, but I guess now I'll look elsewhere. :rolleyes:
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on August 22, 2011, 08:31:49 PM
I was going to register on those forums to ask about the role of giant crabs in Japanese history, but I guess now I'll look elsewhere. :rolleyes:
They sank the mongol fleet!
Quote from: The Brain on August 22, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
Parading your complete ignorance of Japanese history is cool these days? I'm getting old.
No I would like to learn more about it.
But then I am not cool nor ever claimed to be.
Been reading a lot about the Sengoku period lately. I feel like I know a lot more now. :)
I think I'll try this. Let's see if it worth it.
I am interested but the tiny map is somewhat offputting.
The map's bigger than Japan in the most recent Nobunaga's Ambition games (yes, the Japanese ones). :mellow:
Needless to say, I will sucker into buying this as well.
My reasoning to cover my weakness is as follows:
-it is labelled CK in Japan
-Rome already had a much improved version of the character system, except that you played a country which kinda' boinkered it. It is more about clans again here, supposedly
Quote from: Drakken on September 07, 2011, 08:28:58 AM
The map's bigger than Japan in the most recent Nobunaga's Ambition games (yes, the Japanese ones). :mellow:
Never played that game (its in English?).
But...I don't see how that makes a map not small. Looking at the screenshots Japan isn't all that much bigger than Japan in regular paradox games. Just because the setting of a game is smaller doesn't mean the map should be smaller too, they could have went majorly zoomed in, have a Japan which is the world. Which indeed it is here.
Quote from: Tyr on September 08, 2011, 04:00:48 AM
Quote from: Drakken on September 07, 2011, 08:28:58 AM
The map's bigger than Japan in the most recent Nobunaga's Ambition games (yes, the Japanese ones). :mellow:
Never played that game (its in English?).
But...I don't see how that makes a map not small. Looking at the screenshots Japan isn't all that much bigger than Japan in regular paradox games. Just because the setting of a game is smaller doesn't mean the map should be smaller too, they could have went majorly zoomed in, have a Japan which is the world. Which indeed it is here.
IF the character-focusedness is on a Rome-ish level at least, the smaller focus could work.
And plots are interesting. You can pre-negotiate attacks with characters. Much needed, and hopefully will make it to CK2 as well.
Quote from: Tyr on September 08, 2011, 04:00:48 AM
Quote from: Drakken on September 07, 2011, 08:28:58 AM
The map's bigger than Japan in the most recent Nobunaga's Ambition games (yes, the Japanese ones). :mellow:
Never played that game (its in English?).
NA 11 and 12 are available in English on PS2 in the civilized world, thus in NTSC.
But not witb the PUKs.
People complain about Paradox and DLC, but they pale to the outrageousness of Tecmo-Koei: Bastardized version for the US, no PUK, and even if Japan you end up paying almost double price than the original for a few features, an editor, and a hidden patch coming with the PUK.
Quote from: Tamas on September 08, 2011, 04:16:04 AM
IF the character-focusedness is on a Rome-ish level at least, the smaller focus could work.
And plots are interesting. You can pre-negotiate attacks with characters. Much needed, and hopefully will make it to CK2 as well.
I don't mind the small focus just on Japan, not at all, though I don't see why the map should be smaller just because it is more focussed, why can't it be the size of a normal world map with much smaller areas represented.
I'm hopeful for this game anyway. What with my CK love and my current situation.
Well you can try the demo.
At first glance it is more Rome than CK (apart from the fact that you are playing a clan, not a country, so you can be ousted from your rank), but closer to CK than Rome was.
There is potential, but the 15 years of the demo is not enough to judge it.
I'm not sure I'll be purchasing that. I don't think I'm actually interested.
Quote from: garbon on September 11, 2011, 10:29:40 AM
I'm not sure I'll be purchasing that. I don't think I'm actually interested.
I am not too enthusiastic about the Japan theme, but the idea of a Paradoxian game which I am not utterly bored of, and maybe not totally broken (it's simpler than Rome or CK, so what's to brake?), intriques me.
Quote from: Tamas on September 11, 2011, 05:55:27 AM
Well you can try the demo.
At first glance it is more Rome than CK (apart from the fact that you are playing a clan, not a country, so you can be ousted from your rank), but closer to CK than Rome was.
There is potential, but the 15 years of the demo is not enough to judge it.
Apparently you can play past 15 years, you just can't save.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on September 11, 2011, 11:18:46 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 11, 2011, 05:55:27 AM
Well you can try the demo.
At first glance it is more Rome than CK (apart from the fact that you are playing a clan, not a country, so you can be ousted from your rank), but closer to CK than Rome was.
There is potential, but the 15 years of the demo is not enough to judge it.
Apparently you can play past 15 years, you just can't save.
You can play past, one whole year.
Tried the demo some. May get the game after the first three final expansions.
They could have kept Hokkaido as an inaccesible area of the map just for looks. There's open ocean north of Honshu? Meh.
Playing the full version.
I will either really like it, or grow to really hate it.
The character system is rather complex, even if at first glimpse appear to be perhaps even simpler than Rome's (altough Rome's wasn't really simple, more like totally out of your practical control).
I am not sure if it as complex as CK's, since CK has much more traits, but Sengoku's is much more sophisticated and streamlined. eg. not only you have actual relationship numbers with foreign characters, there are two such numbers for each pair of characters. So character A may have a better opinion about character B, than B has of A.
One thing is sure, it fills me with a lot of hope for CK2.
Add to this that while lands inherit in the family, the title of clan leadership is electoral among the direct vassals of the clan leader, so that's something you have to keep an eye on.
Aaand, all landed nobles may maintain a retuine of private troops. When you, as clan leader (altough you can start as a mere -insert japanese name for count- CK-style) declare war on an other clan, these vassals of yours may go around merrily conquering enemy provinces for themselves, and since (to quote the justification of the manual) the game represents a huge-ass civil war there are no peace treaties, they get to keep them too unless you revoke their new-found titles.
The result is a rather colorful patchwork of land ownership within your clan, with the daimyo (duke) titles over them.
So far it doesn't seem to be that hard to keep vassals content, altough I see one of my neighboring clan leaders being a prick and consequently hated by his vassals (been trying to get a plot together with them to backstab their liege). So at this point I am not sure how necessary it will become to fiddle with this chaotic feudal patchwork which develops under the hood of your growing clan lands.
So as I said, I will either keep liking this rather feudalistic character system, or grow frustrated with it in time.
Also, the very low requirement to micro, the excellent performance, and rather levelled playingfield makes this a big candidate for some serious MPing, at least at first glance.
I would like better presentation of data, especially people and their relationships. Scrolling through lists wasn't that awesome back in CK, and hasn't grown on me since.
No nice graphical family tree screen then?
There goes one hope for CK2 :(
Quote from: Tyr on September 13, 2011, 08:00:59 PM
No nice graphical family tree screen then?
There goes one hope for CK2 :(
Actually I believe that they already showed that off for CK2. I think it was in one of those video chats.
Quote from: garbon on September 13, 2011, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: Tyr on September 13, 2011, 08:00:59 PM
No nice graphical family tree screen then?
There goes one hope for CK2 :(
Actually I believe that they already showed that off for CK2. I think it was in one of those video chats.
Aha, cool, never watched those.
Wonder why they skipped it here.
Because blood primogeniture does not apply in Feudal Japan.
I`ve had a play on the demo and...hmm....I am sort of dissapointed I must say. It all feels rather like the Game of Thrones CK mod. Everyone is always at war with everyone and there`s little room for diplomacy to really come into play.
I chose the local boys, the Takadas, but somehow halfway through the game I was also the lord of another `duke` out in the west of Japan. For no apparent reason.
The way everything is just a grab as much land as you can thing is rather messy. My ally takes two provinces of a kuni whilst I take the other two...of two kunis. Couldn`t we swap so we both get an extra duchy? Nah, sorry. No can do.
Plots...no clue how they work and how you get people onside. Nor how you get people to like you/you to like them.
And just how many wives can you have anyway?
Upgrading provinces seems to just have the downside of less taxes in that province. Which is kinda cool. But...doesn`t it mean you can then build up a poor province into an awesome one really quickly if you don`t care about its taxes for a while?
I chose the Shoni and saw perpetual peace. :D
Demo was fun, but this is definitely MP material. I can see SP being incredibly boring.
Agree with Habbaku, SP is pretty monotonous......take out an enemy, stabilise situation and prepare for next attack......
However, that simplicity could lead to great entertainment in MP.
Incidentally, had lots of bsods and freezes until I installed the very latest graphics driver. Since then it has worked fine.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 15, 2011, 01:40:35 AM
Agree with Habbaku, SP is pretty monotonous......take out an enemy, stabilise situation and prepare for next attack......
However, that simplicity could lead to great entertainment in MP.
Incidentally, had lots of bsods and freezes until I installed the very latest graphics driver. Since then it has worked fine.
Yes, but the EU games are also like that.
I am up for MPing, however.
Quote from: Tamas on September 15, 2011, 01:48:38 AM
Yes, but the EU games are also like that.
I think for me, not knowing many of the principle characters triggers my lack of interest and then the game does nothing to inspire me to want to learn more. Opposite with CK and EU1/2. Not sure why that is as I did have a period of time where I enjoyed learning about the Sengoku period.
What certainly should be tried for MP, is all players starting as the vassals of a single clan. :menace:
I'm in for MP too.
Quote from: garbon on September 15, 2011, 07:44:28 AM
I think for me, not knowing many of the principle characters triggers my lack of interest and then the game does nothing to inspire me to want to learn more. Opposite with CK and EU1/2. Not sure why that is as I did have a period of time where I enjoyed learning about the Sengoku period.
It's a little put off, I admit. Usually most people who take interest in the Sengoku period concentrate on the Azuchi-Momoyama period, i.e. when Nobunaga was trouncing everyone and was burning monastaries to the ground with everyone inside, then Hideyoshi and Ieyasu take over and finish the job.
No one except scholars give a hoot about the Onin War, it's basically treated like a local Colombian soccer riot (with swords) that ripples through Japan as civil servants take sides.
I played the demo and was actually interested in the game but then remembered Paradox has burned me too much.
I'll wait for the inevitable 75% sale in a month. Full price my ass.
It is decided.
In conclusion the total war all wars are to the death, grab provinces while you can, minimal diplomacy options thing sucks.
Could work for folks who are into the whole mp thing but sp....nah.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2011, 04:45:59 PM
I'll wait for the inevitable 75% sale in a month. Full price my ass.
Yep. When it goes way down in price, I will be interested enough to try for an MP game.
Patch is up.
Did anyone end up getting into this? This is one of the p'dox games that I've heard the least about.
Quote from: garbon on December 29, 2011, 04:37:40 PM
Did anyone end up getting into this? This is one of the p'dox games that I've heard the least about.
It certainly has its moments, but it does appear to be CK2 Light In Japan (CK2LIJ). And with CK2 a mere two months away, I wouldn't buy this now.
Quote from: garbon on December 29, 2011, 04:37:40 PM
Did anyone end up getting into this? This is one of the p'dox games that I've heard the least about.
whack-a-mole with Paradox, edition 27 :P
Quote from: szmik on December 29, 2011, 08:33:13 PM
whack-a-mole with Paradox, edition 27 :P
Indeed.
The diplomacy aspects are severely underdeveloped and its just some sort of mad constant war game where all wars are to the death.