QuoteVolcanic ash disrupts UK flights
Airline passengers are facing massive disruption across the UK after an ash cloud from a volcanic eruption in Iceland grounded planes.
Airports operator BAA said all flights in and out of Heathrow, Stansted and Gatwick would be suspended from midday.
In Scotland all airports are shut and most others around the UK have cancelled or suspended flights.
The Air Traffic Control Service (Nats) imposed restrictions after the Met Office warned ash could damage engines.
Passengers were advised to contact their carriers prior to travel.
Experts have warned that the tiny particles of rock, glass and sand contained in the ash cloud would be sufficient to jam aircraft engines.
'Significant disruption'
Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow airports were shut as Nats said it was restricting flights "in accordance with international civil aviation policy".
The ash cloud disrupted all flights to and from Manchester with a similar picture at Newcastle airport where all arrivals were cancelled and all outbound flights either cancelled or subject to indefinite delay.
Liverpool's John Lennon airport suspended all flights until at least 1300BST.
British Airways said it had cancelled all domestic flights for the whole of Thursday, which affected flights at London's Gatwick, Heathrow and City airports.
The company said it would refund its passengers or offer the option of rebooking.
Birmingham airport warned of severe disruption with about 90% of flights cancelled, and there were problems reported at East Midlands, Leeds Bradford, Cardiff and Bristol.
Most flights were suspended at Belfast International Airport and George Best Belfast City Airport, with some in and out of Dublin airport also hit.
A Nats spokesman said: "The Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre has issued a forecast that the ash cloud from the volcanic eruption in Iceland will track over Europe tonight.
"Nats is working with Eurocontrol and our colleagues in Europe's other air navigation service providers to take the appropriate action to ensure safety in accordance with international aviation policy."
Engines shut
The European air safety body, Eurocontrol, said the cloud of ash had reached 55,000ft and was expected to move through northern UK and Scotland by 1300BST.
Brian Flynn, assistant head of operations of its central flow management unit, told the BBC: "As it moves toward the Netherlands and Belgium it will dissipate and lose intensity, like any weather phenomenon. But we don't know what the extent of it will be."
VOLCANIC ASH CLOUD
The eruption in the Eyjafjallajoekull area is the second to occur in a month
This eruption has released ash to significantly greater heights
Volcanic ash contains tiny particles of rock and even glass, which can wreak havoc with machinery
A 1982 BA flight unknowingly flew into an ash cloud, shutting down all four engines
Further south, five easyJet flights due to depart from Stansted airport in Essex were cancelled, along with all northbound flights from Southampton and Newquay airports.
Bournemouth airport grounded a flight to Dublin but said all other departures were on schedule.
Met Office forecaster Philip Avery said the ash could take several days to clear.
He said: "It is showing up on imagery at the moment, extending down as far as the Faroes but it looks as though the wind will drag it a good deal further south.
"Nats has good cause to be very cautious about this because in about 1982 a British Airways jumbo had the unnerving experience of having all four engines shut down as it flew through a plume of volcanic ash."
There was a nearly identical incident on 15 December 1989 when KLM Flight 867, a B747-400 from Amsterdam to Anchorage, Alaska, flew into the plume of the erupting Mount Redoubt, causing all four engines to fail.
Once the flight cleared the ash cloud, the crew was able to restart each engine and then make a safe landing at Anchorage, but the aircraft was substantially damaged.
A BAA spokesman said: "Passengers intending to fly today are asked to contact their airline for further information and should expect disruption in the coming hours.
The Royal Air Force has confirmed it will maintain its search and rescue operations.
A spokesman said: "We will continue to provide full search and rescue cover, however we will consider all requests we get on a case by case basis.
"The ash is mainly affecting the air traffic control radar but we can fly in cloud and reduced visibility.
The eruption under a glacier in the Eyjafjallajoekull area of Iceland is the second in the country in less than a month.
A Nats spokesperson said the volcano was still erupting.
LULZ: 2012?
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 03:53:28 AM
LULZ: 2012?
1783 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laki) :contract:
Yeah most of the flights going from Ireland have now been cancelled too.
Flights in Denmark have been cancelled as well
Good. I hope that dead end of a gene pool gets bathed in volcanic fire. Blondes are combustible.
Will Only the Chinese survive?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 15, 2010, 06:08:59 AM
Will Only the Chinese survive?
Not if the Japanese have their way.
UK, Norway, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands closed.
Belgium and Northern Germany will follow up soon. Finland has several airports closed and will probably close them all. Russia will be affected.
This is the worse ash cloud that ever hit air traffic, that's for sure. Millions are affected, probably over 10,000 flights will be cancelled.
Osma Bin Laden's worst nightmare.
Wow, at first I read the title and just said "Right, so some Norwegians and Brits are stuck in Iceland, so what?" but then I read its flights FROM the UK. Holy cow :o
According to the local weather forecast and the fact that the volcano continues to belch out a metric fuckton of ash, the same situation could well prevail tomorrow as well.
Heh, the last Eyjafjalla glacier eruption in 1821 lasted almost 2 years. But the volcano itself will probably only occaisonally send up plumes of ash once it settles down. At least I think it should settle down fairly quickly.
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Interesting. And this was a "significant eruption", but not the "big event". Imagine what the big one could do. :unsure:
Quote from: Legbiter on April 15, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
According to the local weather forecast and the fact that the volcano continues to belch out a metric fuckton of ash, the same situation could well prevail tomorrow as well.
Please stop trying to pay your debt to the UK with volcanic ash. It is not generally appreciated.
Quote from: KRonn on April 15, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
Interesting. And this was a "significant eruption", but not the "big event". Imagine what the big one could do. :unsure:
Katla is the volcano next to the current eruption. When that one blows expect all transatlantic flights to be cancelled for weeks. <_<
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 15, 2010, 08:08:27 AM
Please stop trying to pay your debt to the UK with volcanic ash. It is not generally appreciated.
Hey! First they steal our winter, now they steal our ash. :mad: Next it'll be the women I reckon.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 15, 2010, 08:28:59 AM
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 15, 2010, 08:08:27 AM
Please stop trying to pay your debt to the UK with volcanic ash. It is not generally appreciated.
Hey! First they steal our winter, now they steal our ash. :mad: Next it'll be the women I reckon.
Your silly little feminist-run country already banned strip joints. The process has already begun. :lol:
More silliness. :lol:
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QuoteThe map above shows the present distribution of volcanic ash. As you can see, it looks surprising like a shoe, with Britain firmly being stamped on by the ball of the foot.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100004934/icelands-eyjafjallajokull-visits-volcanic-revenge-on-britain/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100004934/icelands-eyjafjallajokull-visits-volcanic-revenge-on-britain/)
Its some kind of evil penis killing stelleto.
QuoteHey! First they steal our winter, now they steal our ash. :mad: Next it'll be the women I reckon.
hmm.....:shifty:
May we?
"I hate Iceland!! :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mHZgP9vkc&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mHZgP9vkc&feature=player_embedded)
Quote from: Tyr on April 15, 2010, 10:41:05 AM
Its some kind of evil penis killing stelleto.
QuoteHey! First they steal our winter, now they steal our ash. :mad: Next it'll be the women I reckon.
hmm.....:shifty:
May we?
Feminism has ruined them.
No wonder I woke up so refreshed today. There were no 747s flying directly over my house on the Heathrow approach at 5.30AM.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 15, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
According to the local weather forecast and the fact that the volcano continues to belch out a metric fuckton of ash, the same situation could well prevail tomorrow as well.
Heh, the last Eyjafjalla glacier eruption in 1821 lasted almost 2 years. But the volcano itself will probably only occaisonally send up plumes of ash once it settles down. At least I think it should settle down fairly quickly.
A paranoid thought based hereupon...
What if this eruption continues for ages?
The UK is screwed...Cut off from air travel the economy would tank.
And I won't be able to get home in June. Which is bad.
Quote from: Tyr on April 15, 2010, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 15, 2010, 08:05:50 AM
According to the local weather forecast and the fact that the volcano continues to belch out a metric fuckton of ash, the same situation could well prevail tomorrow as well.
Heh, the last Eyjafjalla glacier eruption in 1821 lasted almost 2 years. But the volcano itself will probably only occaisonally send up plumes of ash once it settles down. At least I think it should settle down fairly quickly.
A paranoid thought based hereupon...
What if this eruption continues for ages?
The UK is screwed...Cut off from air travel the economy would tank.
And I won't be able to get home in June. Which is bad.
I foresee the glorious return of the huge luxury passenger ships.
The eruption is still intensifying. I'd be rather surprised if anything flies in Northern Europe for the next couple of days.
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Some footage from today of the ash plume.
http://http.ruv.straumar.is/static.ruv.is/vefur/150410loftmyndir_vefur.wmv (http://http.ruv.straumar.is/static.ruv.is/vefur/150410loftmyndir_vefur.wmv)
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One does not simply walk into Eyafjallajökul.
Is there a scientific explanation for this plume or are they still guessing? Did Loki have Indian?
First they take our money, and now this... :mad:
Quote from: Palisadoes on April 15, 2010, 02:10:57 PM
First they take our money, and now this... :mad:
We said send the cash, not the bloody ash. :mad:
LOL it seems it is moving over Poland.
Will Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and Medvedev: try to land in Warsaw with no visibility? :D
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 04:25:05 PM
LOL it seems it is moving over Poland.
Will Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and Medvedev: try to land in Warsaw with no visibility? :D
Eh, we got Poland as well?
God didn't forget Poland.
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 04:25:05 PM
LOL it seems it is moving over Poland.
Will Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and Medvedev: try to land in Warsaw with no visibility? :D
Merkel will just drive there. In a tracked vehicle. :P
Quote from: Zanza on April 16, 2010, 01:20:48 AM
Quote from: Martinus on April 15, 2010, 04:25:05 PM
LOL it seems it is moving over Poland.
Will Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel and Medvedev: try to land in Warsaw with no visibility? :D
Merkel will just drive there. In a tracked vehicle. :P
News Headline:
QuoteMerkel Drives on Deep into Poland
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2010, 05:42:56 AM
Good. I hope that dead end of a gene pool gets bathed in volcanic fire. Blondes are combustible.
I really, really hope so. I despise Iceland.
Quote from: Tyr on April 15, 2010, 12:50:03 PM
A paranoid thought based hereupon...
What if this eruption continues for ages?
The UK is screwed...Cut off from air travel the economy would tank.
And I won't be able to get home in June. Which is bad.
You could take a train
Quote from: Viking on April 15, 2010, 01:38:53 PM
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One does not simply walk into Eyafjallajökul.
Wonderful pic! where did you find it?
L.
Frankfurt is locked down since this morning. Austrian airports will follow this afternoon.
Our company had a major regional management meeting in town this week (well, actually at the airport hotel). They'll surely looove this. :lol:
Spiegel says that 60% of all flights in Europe have been cancelled - that's about 17,000.
Quote from: Pedrito on April 16, 2010, 03:34:07 AM
Wonderful pic! where did you find it?
L.
My aunts facebook page. But I've seen it in the papers now.
Quote from: Zanza on April 16, 2010, 05:29:48 AM
Spiegel says that 60% of all flights in Europe have been cancelled - that's about 17,000.
I suggest that Europe relents a bit in it's demands for money. There is much more *ash where that came from. We don't actually have the letter "c" in our language.
NB Thats not quite true, we have letter "c" in the alphabet and one word has the letter "c" in it. No, not that one, it's a different one.
Legbiter already made that joke.
Quote from: Viking on April 15, 2010, 01:38:53 PM
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One does not simply walk into Eyafjallajökul.
Driven to desperation by their gigantic debt, the Icelanders forged in secret a master ring... :ph34r:
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Radar picture taken last evening of the icecap above the volcano. Three silos, er I mean craters are clearly visible.
:o It's a scary face!
Quote from: Legbiter on April 16, 2010, 08:58:55 AM
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Radar picture taken last evening of the icecap above the volcano. Three silos, er I mean craters are clearly visible.
The opposite of
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This is no longer funny. Either the Volcano has to stop or somebody needs to shut down wi-fi at airports.
Quote from: Syt on April 16, 2010, 04:38:22 AM
Frankfurt is locked down since this morning. Austrian airports will follow this afternoon.
Our company had a major regional management meeting in town this week (well, actually at the airport hotel). They'll surely looove this. :lol:
Same goes for Paris (Roissy CDG, Orly & Le Bourget). Probably the same for low cost at Beauvais
Now would be a perfect time for Putin to blockade West Berlin.
This is now causing considerable international confusion.
The Portuguese president is now stranded in Prague. In exchange we got the German chancellor, whose flight got rerouted to Lisbon.
Are there any other leaders lost somewhere at the moment?
Norway's PM was running the country with an Ipad from New York last I heard.
Finland's President was in Denmark, but she's traveling back by sea.
My dads first cousin died this week and nobody from abroad is getting to that funeral.
Hungary's airspace is closed since 7PM
So I wonder what if this will last for 2 years like that big Icelandic eruption in the 19th century?
Quote from: Tamas on April 16, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Hungary's airspace is closed since 7PM
So I wonder what if this will last for 2 years like that big Icelandic eruption in the 19th century?
It might.
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 16, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Hungary's airspace is closed since 7PM
So I wonder what if this will last for 2 years like that big Icelandic eruption in the 19th century?
It might.
The effects if that happens would be pretty damn extensive.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 16, 2010, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 16, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Hungary's airspace is closed since 7PM
So I wonder what if this will last for 2 years like that big Icelandic eruption in the 19th century?
It might.
The effects if that happens would be pretty damn extensive.
Volcanos don't care about air travel.
2 years without business trips to YUROPE? SCORE!
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2010, 02:04:04 PM
2 years without business trips to YUROPE? SCORE!
:lol: I am always glad to see someone who keeps the big picture in mind.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 16, 2010, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 16, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Hungary's airspace is closed since 7PM
So I wonder what if this will last for 2 years like that big Icelandic eruption in the 19th century?
It might.
The effects if that happens would be pretty damn extensive.
European crop failure :nelson:
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2010, 02:04:04 PM
2 years without business trips to YUROPE? SCORE!
Naw, you'll be forced to sail coach on some tramper instead. ;)
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:16:52 PM
My dads first cousin died this week and nobody from abroad is getting to that funeral.
They forgot: knarrs. :(
Visibility has improved greatly around the volcano. The link below links to a webcam monitoring the eruption. Absolutely stunning footage.
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/ (http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/)
Quote from: Caliga on April 16, 2010, 02:47:13 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:16:52 PM
My dads first cousin died this week and nobody from abroad is getting to that funeral.
They forgot: knarrs. :(
I don't get into ships and boats that are smaller than the expected waves.
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:16:52 PM
My dads first cousin died this week and nobody from abroad is getting to that funeral.
:(
:hug:
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 16, 2010, 12:47:52 PM
This is now causing considerable international confusion.
The Portuguese president is now stranded in Prague. In exchange we got the German chancellor, whose flight got rerouted to Lisbon.
Are there any other leaders lost somewhere at the moment?
I'd say you came out ahead then. Don't you people have trains or cars or ships?
:hmm:
I think the scorching hot summer predicted for Britain just went bye-bye...
And I believe Scottish and Northern Irish airports are reopening.
They're saying that it's going to be hot and dry here this summer, too.
Fine by me: more time on the boat, and better fishin'.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2010, 05:44:32 PM
God didn't forget Poland.
Which reminds me, how come they don't kill frogs in Poland?
It's illegal to kill the national bird.
:frog:
The rock samples that have been analysed so far show that the ejecta is icelandite. Which is bad because it's easily rendered into this fine ash. Even without the glacial melt quenching the lava and then the steam buildup pulverising it. So the world could be cut off from Britain for quite a while.
There's currently very heavy ashfall in the countryside surrounding the volcano. More people are being evacuated. :(
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Quote from: Legbiter on April 17, 2010, 05:17:47 AM
The rock samples that have been analysed so far show that the ejecta is icelandite.
Incredible.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on April 16, 2010, 02:39:26 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on April 16, 2010, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: Viking on April 16, 2010, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 16, 2010, 01:30:40 PM
Hungary's airspace is closed since 7PM
So I wonder what if this will last for 2 years like that big Icelandic eruption in the 19th century?
It might.
The effects if that happens would be pretty damn extensive.
European crop failure :nelson:
When Laki errupted in 1783? The Mississippi froze as far down as New Orleans the following winter.
US won't be free of this either
V
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2010, 05:59:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 15, 2010, 05:44:32 PM
God didn't forget Poland.
Which reminds me, how come they don't kill frogs in Poland?
It's illegal to kill the national bird.
:)
It's really sunny here in the UK. No ash clouds that I can see. :hmm:
The map of effects is strange stuff.
The ash is all drifting eastwards- Ireland and Scotland are totally fine and planes can fly (not that they've many places to go other than short haul stuff amongst themself). Northern England is...iffy. Some perhaps getting through. The south though remains cut off.
Should you be able to see anything?
From what I read its just tiny particles high up in the air. I've never noticed anything.
Quote from: Palisadoes on April 17, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
It's really sunny here in the UK. No ash clouds that I can see. :hmm:
Control volcanos yes, the weather, no.
A nice sulfur like smell in the air early saturday morning (05:00 AM), later when they started to spread manure in the rural areas west of Copenhagen did the sulfur smell disappear... ;)
Quote from: Palisadoes on April 17, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
It's really sunny here in the UK. No ash clouds that I can see. :hmm:
Look at the horizon, rather than straight up. The light's a little more perlescent than it is normally, even if the sky looks totally clear.
At least, that's the only effect of the ash that I've been able to detect, and that might just be my eyes tricking me.
Science dudes here said that the ash is neither harmful to people, nor could it be seen. Supposedly it only messes up airplanes and the weather.
The geophysicists here say that the volcano is quickly exhausting it's underlying magma chamber. So they predict that the eruption will at most continue for a few more days at it's current strenght, before petering out. After that it could lie dormant for a few days and then resume offensive operations. Or not. :ph34r:
Quote from: Legbiter on April 17, 2010, 02:13:53 PM
The geophysicists here say that the volcano is quickly exhausting it's underlying magma chamber. So they predict that the eruption will at most continue for a few more days at it's current strenght, before petering out. After that it could lie dormant for a few days and then resume offensive operations. Or not. :ph34r:
Basically we don't know shit and we hope it won't last much longer than few more days.
Better sacrifice some angry lesbians just to be on the safe side.
Quote from: Viking on April 17, 2010, 03:05:16 PMBasically we don't know shit and we hope it won't last much longer than few more days.
Naw, I think they're pretty confident about how long this current phase of the eruption will last (days instead of weeks). What they have no idea about is if or how long transatlantic flights might have to play Frogger with intermittent ash plumes.
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Pretty much everyone important cancelled their trip to the Potato Funeral. Right now the only confirmed attendees are: Morocco and Ukraine. :lol:
Obama just: forgot Poland. :P
Quote from: Martinus on April 17, 2010, 04:20:41 PM
Pretty much everyone important cancelled their trip to the Potato Funeral. Right now the only confirmed attendees are: Morocco and Ukraine. :lol:
Obama just: forgot Poland. :P
Yeah our Prez was supposed to be at some major shindig in Denmark this week and then attend the Polish Prezidizzle's funeral I think, but he's been grounded because of the ash.
LOL Did Hell just: Overflow? ;)
Poland: the only nation who got its ass kicked by trees and clouds? :D
I think Norway's PM has been stuck in the US since the nuclear summit :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 17, 2010, 05:14:16 PM
I think Norway's PM has been stuck in the US since the nuclear summit :lol:
He got a new iPad.
My mother was scheduled to fly back to Germany from Tunesia today and my sister wanted to fly from Calcutta today or in the next two days or so as well. I wonder if they are stuck there...
I hope the volcano never stops.
I am wondering why no one has declared war on Iceland yet. Surely ash ejection is a casus belli.
Lufthansa and some other airlines made a couple of testflights in the the supposedly dangerous area and height and they did not find any damage to their planes. So now they question if this wholesale ban is really necessary.
LOL an entire plane of government officials crashes and now a volcanic ash cloud paralyzes airline communication in Europe.
If some political thriller writer used any of these events as a premise for one of his books, everyone would say it's a stretch. :lol:
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 18, 2010, 12:16:16 AM
I am wondering why no one has declared war on Iceland yet. Surely ash ejection is a casus belli.
Can't bomb them :(
Quote from: Zanza on April 18, 2010, 03:14:09 AM
Lufthansa and some other airlines made a couple of testflights in the the supposedly dangerous area and height and they did not find any damage to their planes. So now they question if this wholesale ban is really necessary.
The ash seems to have seriously fucked up the engines of 5 F-18's from the Finnish airforce who flew through the ash cloud before their airspace closed though. That's a long way from Iceland.
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
Quote from: Zanza on April 18, 2010, 03:14:09 AM
Lufthansa and some other airlines made a couple of testflights in the the supposedly dangerous area and height and they did not find any damage to their planes. So now they question if this wholesale ban is really necessary.
Apparently it turns out where ash has been a problem, it's been in cases where jets have inadvertently flown through the plume itself. :lol:
Quote from: Legbiter on April 18, 2010, 07:00:21 AM
The ash seems to have seriously fucked up the engines of 5 F-18's from the Finnish airforce who flew through the ash cloud before their airspace closed though. That's a long way from Iceland.
They should have waited the full 28 days.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 18, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
It should help if the UK got a decent amount of rain. So, pray to Odin for it to rain in the UK? :huh: :lol:
Quote from: Zanza on April 18, 2010, 03:14:09 AM
Lufthansa and some other airlines made a couple of testflights in the the supposedly dangerous area and height and they did not find any damage to their planes. So now they question if this wholesale ban is really necessary.
I'm sure the reason for the ban is because there was an incident in IIRC the 1970s where a British Airways 747 happened to fly over an erupting volcano in Indonesia and the ash plume flamed out all of its engines. They did manage to get enough of them restarted to manage to land safely, but the plane lost a lot of altitude first and it was basically a race against time for the crew.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 18, 2010, 07:26:47 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 18, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
It should help if the UK got a decent amount of rain. So, pray to Odin for it to rain in the UK? :huh: :lol:
No. We're enjoying really lovely sunny weather right now (I'm about to go to the park) and frankly I'd rather have sun than international travel.
"ASH OVER CHANNEL: CONTINENT CUT OFF"
I think it would be rather good if volcanic ash stopped all future travel by jet aircraft. It is a shitty method of travel that smears out the differences between places because it is too cheap and quick. Zeppelins, luxuriously appointed trains and great passenger liners would be far preferable :cool:
Huh, and now the geophysicists are back to being pessimistic about when the volcano will settle down and stop farting in Europe's general direction.
I say it's time we strike back.
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2010, 09:39:34 AM
I say it's time we strike back.
Bomb us to the stone age!! please.... it would be progress!!!
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2010, 09:39:34 AM
I say it's time we strike back.
Is Sweden still affected by the ash?
Just watched the 10 Downing street briefing. They sounded like they were planning Dunkirk, part II.
Italy is preparing to surrender to the Ash Cloud and switch sides.
Quote from: Martinus on April 18, 2010, 04:07:51 AM
LOL an entire plane of government officials crashes and now a volcanic ash cloud paralyzes airline communication in Europe.
If some political thriller writer used any of these events as a premise for one of his books, everyone would say it's a stretch. :lol:
Chapter 1: The polish government dies in a crash in katyn forest.
Chapter 2: A volcano shuts down air travel in Europe, setting the stage for,
Chapter 3: One week later, everything is back to normal.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 18, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
Acceptable losses. If the 8th Air Force wasn't willing to fly with those odds, the Luftwaffe would still be patrolling Europe.
Some German airlines seem to raise the question of who is going to pay for the - in their eyes - unnecessary flight bans.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 18, 2010, 12:01:23 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2010, 09:39:34 AM
I say it's time we strike back.
Is Sweden still affected by the ash?
Apparently they plan to open ARN for some flights tomorrow morning.
Quote from: Syt on April 18, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Some German airlines seem to raise the question of who is going to pay for the - in their eyes - unnecessary flight bans.
Pay? That's silly. You pay for flying, not not flying. I couldn't afford to stay at home otherwise.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 18, 2010, 12:55:02 PM
Just watched the 10 Downing street briefing. They sounded like they were planning Dunkirk, part II.
It's election time. This sort of thing provides Brown an excuse to look all Prime Ministerial.
Europe jumps down the Pope's neck. Pope prays for help. God punishes Europe.
Quote from: Syt on April 18, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Some German airlines seem to raise the question of who is going to pay for the - in their eyes - unnecessary flight bans.
The airlines are. :lol:
This is proving pretty chaotic at university.
The post-easter term is just starting up and loads of people are still stranded on their holiday trips elsewhere in Europe.
Wonder if the airline is covering their costs.
Quote from: Tyr on April 18, 2010, 03:55:16 PM
This is proving pretty chaotic at university.
The post-easter term is just starting up and loads of people are still stranded on their holiday trips elsewhere in Europe.
Wonder if the airline is covering their costs.
I´m guessing no.
Germany and Russia are negotiating with the Ash Cloud to partition Poland while its government is crippled.
Quote from: Syt on April 18, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Some German airlines seem to raise the question of who is going to pay for the - in their eyes - unnecessary flight bans.
Unnecessary?
There is no denying that Finland has several F-18's damaged by volcanic ash. Also, these test flights they did were only an hour long. Are these airline executives ready to guarantee that the ash cloud will remain thin throughout the flight path of air routes? It might be safe to fly over Germany at 3pm on Tuesday, but not safe an hour later when a thicker part of the ash cloud moves in.
These airlines should only be allowed to fly tomorrow if their executives agree to sit on these flights while they occur. Might make them more objective.
Ok I've thought about this some more and the airlines are probably just establishing the narrative they're going to use when they hit the taxpayer up for bailout money. Or at least I hope so.
Funny side of the environmental impact of the volcano, CO2 wise.
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Didn't Hans tell you? C02 is a hoaxed designed to get climate scientists money, power, and babes.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 18, 2010, 02:39:35 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 18, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
Acceptable losses. If the 8th Air Force wasn't willing to fly with those odds, the Luftwaffe would still be patrolling Europe.
Not really. The 8th Air Force didn't really have much to do with the defeat of Germany.
Quote from: Neil on April 18, 2010, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 18, 2010, 02:39:35 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 18, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
Acceptable losses. If the 8th Air Force wasn't willing to fly with those odds, the Luftwaffe wIould still be patrolling Europe.
Not really. The 8th Air Force didn't really have much to do with the defeat of Germany.
The Germans would have destroyed the US army if they had unchallenged air superiority.
A meeting at work today was cancelled because our colleagues from Germany couldn't come...
Quote from: Jaron on April 18, 2010, 06:33:04 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 18, 2010, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 18, 2010, 02:39:35 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 18, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
Yes, maybe only one in thousand flights would be affected, but apparently there are some 17,000 flights cancelled today.
Acceptable losses. If the 8th Air Force wasn't willing to fly with those odds, the Luftwaffe wIould still be patrolling Europe.
Not really. The 8th Air Force didn't really have much to do with the defeat of Germany.
The Germans would have destroyed the US army if they had unchallenged air superiority.
The Eighth Air Force didn't provide air superiority for the US Army. That was the Ninth and Twelfth Air Forces.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 18, 2010, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 18, 2010, 02:53:00 PM
Some German airlines seem to raise the question of who is going to pay for the - in their eyes - unnecessary flight bans.
Unnecessary?
Not the correct word I used - excessive is better.
I wonder if this whole thing was blown (:P) way out of proportion. Reminds me a bit of the swine flu and various earlier panics when governments took ridiculously overblown courses of actions against crises that were in hindsight nothing special.
Gets the population accustomed to being shunted around, good training for docility :tinfoil:
Oh, well I was talking about in general. If you weren't then carry on. :P :homestar:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 19, 2010, 02:29:08 AM
Gets the population accustomed to being shunted around, good training for docility :tinfoil:
Or non-shunting around. ;)
The ash plume is smaller today than yesterday. So with luck the conveyor belt of ash towards Europe will start to slow down.
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The German economy exports goods worth 1 billion Euro per day by air freight. And complicated supply chains depend on air freight, so this will cause further damage as e.g. manufacturing plants will soon run out of components.
Meanwhile, my mother is trying to get on a ferry from Tunis to Marseille to at least be back in Europe...
Quote from: Zanza on April 18, 2010, 09:01:58 PM
A meeting at work today was cancelled because our colleagues from Germany couldn't come...
You see? PRAISE THE VOLCANO.
Any other Yuros find their car cobered in a layer of ash dust in the last couple of days, despite it supposedly staying in the upper atmosphere?
Writing an article on the effects on the military worldwide, if you hear anything send it my way :lazy:
Quote from: Zanza on April 19, 2010, 02:27:05 AM
I wonder if this whole thing was blown (:P) way out of proportion. Reminds me a bit of the swine flu and various earlier panics when governments took ridiculously overblown courses of actions against crises that were in hindsight nothing special.
:huh: Like I said earlier, there are documented cases of volcanic ash shutting down jet engines.
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2010, 07:04:32 AM
Quote from: Zanza on April 19, 2010, 02:27:05 AM
I wonder if this whole thing was blown (:P) way out of proportion. Reminds me a bit of the swine flu and various earlier panics when governments took ridiculously overblown courses of actions against crises that were in hindsight nothing special.
:huh: Like I said earlier, there are documented cases of volcanic ash shutting down jet engines.
Yes. And? :huh: We don't know for certain whether this particular ash cloud is really dangerous or not as our able European governments apparently lack the necessary equipment to verify the composition and exact location of the ash cloud. The jury is still out on whether this is an unnecessary completely overblown reaction or whether it is warranted as it poses a real threat to air travel. BA 9 and the KLM flight both flew directly through the plumes apparently and the only aircraft affected in Europe so far are military jets.
Anyway, guess who's next?
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:P
Canada? Who cares.
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2010, 06:58:24 AM
Any other Yuros find their car cobered in a layer of ash dust in the last couple of days, despite it supposedly staying in the upper atmosphere?
Writing an article on the effects on the military worldwide, if you hear anything send it my way :lazy:
Check the BBC website, the UK is sending ships to pick up troops stranded in Spain. :Jameson:
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2010, 06:58:24 AM
Any other Yuros find their car cobered in a layer of ash dust in the last couple of days, despite it supposedly staying in the upper atmosphere?
Writing an article on the effects on the military worldwide, if you hear anything send it my way :lazy:
No dust here in the Geneva area
Quote from: Zanza on April 19, 2010, 07:12:12 AM
Anyway, guess who's next?
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:P
Damn, it looks like the only country not affected is Iceland itself....
Quote from: Viking on April 19, 2010, 07:43:20 AM
Damn, it looks like the only country not affected is Iceland itself....
I call conspiracy! Have you had a Bond villain buy thr country up since the banks crashed?
It has been reported that the recently departed Icelandic banking system's last wishes were to have it's ashes spread all over Europe.
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2010, 07:47:01 AM
Quote from: Viking on April 19, 2010, 07:43:20 AM
Damn, it looks like the only country not affected is Iceland itself....
I call conspiracy! Have you had a Bond villain buy thr country up since the banks crashed?
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It was either him or the Russians.
Quote from: Brazen on April 19, 2010, 06:58:24 AM
Writing an article on the effects on the military worldwide, if you hear anything send it my way :lazy:
The ADNKronos newssite reports that a NATO's F-16 suffered some damage from the ash cloud.
In more important news, there's an uprising brewing in Italy because exports of fresh mozzarella have been blocked by the eruption.
This tragic period will be forever known as the Rotten Mozzarella Revolting Revolution
L.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/19/world/europe/19iceland.html?hp
QuoteIn Iceland, Mostly Clear Consciences
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Except for farmers around the Eyjafjallajokull glacier, whose land was flooded by melting glacier water, or blanketed by ash, the direct impacts have been minimal.
REYKJAVIK, Iceland — Like the volcano that erupted last week, this once obscure island nation seems to have awoken from centuries of quietude with a determination to spread its fallout all over Europe.
In the fall of 2008, it suffered an economic implosion so spectacular that the noise somehow rose above the worldwide din of financial calamity, leaving Icelanders with $5.4 billion in i.o.u.'s to British and Dutch depositors. Now, of course, the large continent to the east is once again feeling this underpopulated island's outsized effect in the form of the enormous volcanic ash cloud that has snarled air traffic throughout Europe and beyond.
"It seems we're getting pretty good at exporting our disasters," said Egill Helgason, a political commentator and host of a well-respected political talk show. "I think people might get funny ideas about Iceland." But, he quickly added, "We're not to blame for an eruption."
While they are careful not to appear to take pleasure in this latest bout of troubles, Icelanders have met the volcanic eruption mostly with a collective sigh of relief. The financial meltdown may have shattered Iceland's reputation as a place of Nordic rectitude and caused deep soul-searching among its leadership and citizens, but this crisis — they gladly point out — was not one of their own making.
Iceland has been largely spared the worst effects of the eruption, at the Eyjafjallajokull glacier on the island's southern coast, with the prevailing winds carrying most of the ash abroad. And except for farmers in the sparsely populated area around the glacier, whose land was flooded by melting glacier water, or blanketed with ash, the direct impacts have been minimal.
In this small capital city, 75 miles west of the volcano, the air has been clear, the sea breezes clean and life has gone on more or less as normal. "They picked a clever spot for the capital," Mr. Helgason said wryly.
While air traffic from Reykjavik to Europe was curtailed most of the week, flights between Iceland and the rest of the world remained on schedule. "It's interesting: We haven't felt any ash," said Ossur Skarphedinsson, the foreign minister, during a late-afternoon drive around the capital on Saturday. He grinned and then, taking his hands off the wheel and turning his palms upward in a mock-dramatic gesture of appeal, he blurted: "What should I say, 'I'm sorry'?"
Mr. Skarphedinsson and other Icelandic politicians do not try to conceal their resentment toward the British government for its use of terrorism laws to freeze the Icelandic banks' assets during the financial crisis in 2008. But if they are feeling any schadenfreude in Britain's suffering, it has been well concealed, cropping up only in jokes that have been making the rounds here.
One, perhaps told with more glee by Icelanders than by mainland Europeans, has Iceland misunderstanding what Europe was requesting: "We wanted cash," Europe says, "not ash."
Another: It was the last wish of the Icelandic economy that its ashes be spread over Europe.
The volcanic eruption has been such a non-factor for most Icelanders that after a day or two, attention quickly shifted back to the other prevailing domestic topic du jour: the continuing political fallout from the financial crisis.
Last Monday, a special investigative committee released a much-anticipated report that analyzed events in the nation's public and private sectors that led to the bank failures. The report, which ran more than 2,300 pages, accused seven government officials, including the former prime minister and the former head of the central bank, of acting with "negligence" in their oversight of the financial sector.
The findings prompted three members of Parliament to take leaves of absence pending the outcome of a parliamentary review of the report. More are expected.
"We thought we were living in this well-ordered society, a respected member of the Nordic countries, stable, well-organized, well-behaved, deeply democratic and certainly not corrupt," Jon Baldvin Hannibalsson, a former foreign affairs minister and ambassador to Washington said in an interview Sunday. "This investigation showed a totally different picture."
It may seem to outsiders that Iceland has leapt on to the world stage, but Icelanders say otherwise. Sparsely populated with about 310,000 residents, they say it has long had a streak of influence elsewhere far out of proportion to its economic power or population. Settled in the ninth century by Norsemen, it was for several centuries thereafter a zone of experimentation in radical free market economics known as the Icelandic Free State, with no taxes, no police or army, and certainly no bureaucrats.
It was those settlers' descendants — spiritually, at least, and known, unflatteringly, as "the Vikings" — who ran all over the globe in the last decade brokering wild, overleveraged deals that led to the crash in 2008.
And this latest volcanic cloud is not the first to settle over Europe. In 1783, volcanic activity in Iceland cast a persistent haze over Western Europe and is believed by some historians to have contributed to conditions that helped incite the French Revolution six years later.
But Icelanders, wise after centuries of living among exploding volcanoes, say that Eyjafjallajokull (pronounced EY-ya-fyat-lah-YO-kut) could be thrust front and center in their lives and become a far bigger problem with a slight shift in the wind toward the west and Reykjavik, where most of the country's people live.
Many conversations here about the volcano and its import eventually seem to migrate to Katla, a far more powerful volcano on Iceland's southern coast just east of Eyjafjallajokull. Scientists fear that the recent volcanic activity at Eyjafjallajokull could set off Katla, which erupts on average about twice a century, the last time in 1918 when it set off dangerous glacial floods.
Hallgrimur Helgason, a novelist and artist, said that with the recent political and geological events, the true character of the nation and its land has been on full display.
Nature in Iceland, he said, is "harsh" and "full of surprises" and the national psyche has been molded by that.
"You never know what's going to happen," he said. "There's never a dull moment in Iceland."
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2010, 07:13:20 AM
Canada? Who cares.
I think he's talking about Greenland.
At any rate, the UK deserves this.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
You're next.
I don't think so. The second that cloud starts drifting southwest we'll be politely requesting that the Icelanders do something to fix the glitch. Oh, and our words are backed by nuclear weapons. :)
My sister got the last flight from Calcutta to Frankfurt after all so she made it back. But it will still be interesting how my mother comes back. But Lufthansa and Air Berlin will operate some flights at low heights to bring back tourists, so maybe she's lucky.
I've been glancing at the volcano on a live webcam and for the last hour it's been throwing up a very dark cloud and it's alot higher than previously today. I just don't see how airlines will be able to fly in the UK tomorrow.
http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/ (http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/)
24/7 link of the eruption.
Quote from: Zanza on April 19, 2010, 10:48:20 AM
My sister got the last flight from Calcutta to Frankfurt after all so she made it back. But it will still be interesting how my mother comes back. But Lufthansa and Air Berlin will operate some flights at low heights to bring back tourists, so maybe she's lucky.
They're going to fly low over Russia?
I hope they have fun getting KAL 007'ed.
Quote from: Viking on April 19, 2010, 09:11:39 AM
Many conversations here about the volcano and its import eventually seem to migrate to Katla, a far more powerful volcano on Iceland's southern coast just east of Eyjafjallajokull. Scientists fear that the recent volcanic activity at Eyjafjallajokull could set off Katla, which erupts on average about twice a century, the last time in 1918 when it set off dangerous glacial floods.
Twice a century, but 92 years since the last eruption?
So, due to a constipated volcano, ICELAND'S DOOMED...
DOMED!!!!11111
The German airlines got permission to fly again and expect to be back at normal flight operations by Thursday.
Quote from: Zanza on April 19, 2010, 07:05:42 PM
The German airlines got permission to fly again and expect to be back at normal flight operations by Thursday.
I wonder if the government will take the heat when the first plane crashes, or if it will be the airlines who get sued?
Quote from: Neil on April 19, 2010, 07:16:40 PM
Quote from: Zanza on April 19, 2010, 07:05:42 PM
The German airlines got permission to fly again and expect to be back at normal flight operations by Thursday.
I wonder if the government will take the heat when the first plane crashes, or if it will be the airlines who get sued?
To many Germans around these days anyway.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 19, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 19, 2010, 07:13:20 AM
Canada? Who cares.
You're next.
I'm sure when it gets close to a civilized country someone will tackle the Ash Cloud and end this nonsense.
Quote from: Agelastus on April 19, 2010, 06:06:56 PM
ICELAND'S DOOMED...
Actually Iceland will probably be fine if Katla blows it's top. The southern coast is only sparsely populated. There would be some disruption to the main Route 1 which tracks south of Katla, but nothing we haven't dealt with in the past.
Eruptions from Katla are historically bigger than the current eruption, but I think the press is getting over excited. There were a pair of eruptions in Katla in the 18th Century which rate as VEI 5, which put them in the same league as Mount St. Helens. On a global scale Katla is not huge and it's eruptions since the Age of Settlement have peaked at only one tenth as powerful as the related Laki fissure system which erupted 1783-84.
The 1918 eruption was the largest in Iceland in the past century and the only one from the mountain to be well documented. It dumped enough rubble to extend the coastline by 5km in places. Icebergs the size of office blocks were ripped out of the Mýrdalsjökull and left stranded on the low-lying area to the south. But even 1918 was only a tenth as powerful as Katla's eruption of 1755. Judging by the deposits that one left behind, at it's peak the glacier was releasing as much water as the Amazon. :pinch:
If Katla were to erupt it would produce a similar ash plume to that we're seeing right now, only much bigger. The 1918 eruption produced measurable ash fall in Northern Ireland and Scotland which went on to poison livestock. Plus, it might shut down all air traffic in the US and Europe.
Quote from: Barrister on April 19, 2010, 06:20:41 PM
DOMED!!!!11111
That's actually a pretty good solution to this Iceland spewing ash everywhere problem.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 19, 2010, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 19, 2010, 06:06:56 PM
ICELAND'S DOOMED...
Actually Iceland will probably be fine if Katla blows it's top. The southern coast is only sparsely populated. There would be some disruption to the main Route 1 which tracks south of Katla, but nothing we haven't dealt with in the past.
Eruptions from Katla are historically bigger than the current eruption, but I think the press is getting over excited. There were a pair of eruptions in Katla in the 18th Century which rate as VEI 5, which put them in the same league as Mount St. Helens. On a global scale Katla is not huge and it's eruptions since the Age of Settlement have peaked at only one tenth as powerful as the related Laki fissure system which erupted 1783-84.
The 1918 eruption was the largest in Iceland in the past century and the only one from the mountain to be well documented. It dumped enough rubble to extend the coastline by 5km in places. Icebergs the size of office blocks were ripped out of the Mýrdalsjökull and left stranded on the low-lying area to the south. But even 1918 was only a tenth as powerful as Katla's eruption of 1755. Judging by the deposits that one left behind, at it's peak the glacier was releasing as much water as the Amazon. :pinch:
If Katla were to erupt it would produce a similar ash plume to that we're seeing right now, only much bigger. The 1918 eruption produced measurable ash fall in Northern Ireland and Scotland which went on to poison livestock. Plus, it might shut down all air traffic in the US and Europe.
Problem with Katla is that its supposed to errupt twice every century and now the press is getting all lathered up over the fact that it hasnt erupted for nearly a hundred years. In their eyes this can only mean a big one is on its way. I guess we shall wait and see, cant sit at home waiting for the roof to fall in.
Quote from: Cecil on April 20, 2010, 12:16:36 AM
cant sit at home waiting for the roof to fall in.
Are you sure about that?
Quote from: Legbiter on April 19, 2010, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 19, 2010, 06:06:56 PM
ICELAND'S DOOMED...
Actually Iceland will probably be fine if Katla blows it's top. The southern coast is only sparsely populated.
There are good reasons why the southern coast is sparsely populated.
Now would be a good time to revive the zeppelin business. :shifty:
Returned to the office today after a brief vacational respite. I asked about how the colleagues who had come to Vienna for a meeting had returned last week.
Russian country head: took the train to Warsaw, rented a car to Riga, rented another car from Riga to Moscow. ( :eek: )
English finance VPs: car to Calais, shuttle service across the Channel.
Israeli colleagues: train to Bucharest, then plane.
Colleague from Egypt (whose visum ran out on friday): no idea, probably train/plane.
Etc.
:lol:
I wonder if I can convince my company that a two-month roadtrip from Singapore to Germany is business travel so they pay for it...? ;)
2300 km Singapore to Thailand-Burma border
Burma is not in Google Maps
11480 km Burma border-Germany
:hmm:
I've never been to Asia or Europe but I think I would rather kayak from Singapore to Germany than drive.
Quote from: Zanza on April 20, 2010, 10:24:32 AM
I wonder if I can convince my company that a two-month roadtrip from Singapore to Germany is business travel so they pay for it...? ;)
2300 km Singapore to Thailand-Burma border
Burma is not in Google Maps
11480 km Burma border-Germany
:hmm:
The way you do this is through China and then Siberia and Russia. Aside from Cambodia the entire trip can be done by rail
Quote from: sbr on April 20, 2010, 10:36:02 AM
I've never been to Asia or Europe but I think I would rather kayak from Singapore to Germany than drive.
Actually I would absolutely love to travel across Asia by land.
Atleast a Burmanese Visa isn't too expensive. Try going thru Bhutan.
The eruption is pretty much unchanged from yesterday. Maybe slightly less active but not by much.
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Quote from: Barrister on April 20, 2010, 11:38:24 AM
Quote from: sbr on April 20, 2010, 10:36:02 AM
I've never been to Asia or Europe but I think I would rather kayak from Singapore to Germany than drive.
Actually I would absolutely love to travel across Asia by land.
I'd never get the smell out of my clothes.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 20, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
The eruption is pretty much unchanged from yesterday. Maybe slightly less active but not by much.
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That's a fucking awesome shot.
Nature´s fury can be a beautiful thing indeed.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 20, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
The eruption is pretty much unchanged from yesterday. Maybe slightly less active but not by much.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.universetoday.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F04%2FLightnings1.jpg&hash=44988d7e2d582d7b5a5cd6d1e9dba274861bac34)
Uhm, there seems to be something inside that plume of ash. Are you sure you are just dealing with a volcano here?... :unsure:
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on April 20, 2010, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 20, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
The eruption is pretty much unchanged from yesterday. Maybe slightly less active but not by much.
Uhm, there seems to be something inside that plume of ash. Are you sure you are just dealing with a volcano here?... :unsure:
The Balrog?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth00.deviantart.net%2Ffs12%2F300W%2Fi%2F2006%2F263%2F6%2F9%2FBalrog_by_Ironshod.jpg&hash=23cd593bd3399ce1042f75edaa9bba875d619a62)
[Cal's mother in law]Satan. :)[/Cal's mother in law]
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2010, 05:37:35 PM
[Cal's mother in law]Satan. :)[/Cal's mother in law]
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Yep, pretty much. Just take that and add 300 pounds. :)
Apparently the this is God's punishment for Obama passing the health care bill. Apparently God chose to punish America by inconveniencing Europe. I like the way the Almighty thinks. :D
From Rush Limbaugh
Quote"You know, a couple of days after the health care bill had been signed into law Obama ran around all over the country saying, 'Hey, you know, I'm looking around. The earth hadn't opened up. There's no Armageddon out there. The birds are still chirping.' I think the earth has opened up. God may have replied," he said on his radio show Friday.
If we put the public option in, maybe the Euros would get a plague of boils or frogs.
I don't think of Rush as religious. :huh: My dad is obsessed with him so he inflicted Rush's show on me alot when I was a kid, and he never talked about God or anything. He was probably just joking, which he does (or used to do) alot.
Yes, jump ignorantly to his defense.
Legbiter, that pic is awesome.
BTW, there was some article on yahoo of all the people stranded in different airports, for 5 days?! That has to suck.
Iceland already has socialized medicine and has had it since the 1940s. How the hell is this pathetic mini-volcano a punishment for american socialized medicine? You have lots of volcanos of your own!!
Maybe it's a reward
Quote from: Viking on April 20, 2010, 08:01:14 PM
Iceland already has socialized medicine and has had it since the 1940s. How the hell is this pathetic mini-volcano a punishment for american socialized medicine? You have lots of volcanos of your own!!
God's got a lot on his plate. Took a while to get to you people.
Quote from: Viking on April 20, 2010, 08:01:14 PM
Iceland already has socialized medicine and has had it since the 1940s. How the hell is this pathetic mini-volcano a punishment for american socialized medicine? You have lots of volcanos of your own!!
God decided that after the Jews punishing those he loves for things they do wrong is counterproductive. So now he just punishes unrelated people for our sins.
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:lol:
Quote from: citizen k on April 20, 2010, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on April 20, 2010, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 20, 2010, 12:21:52 PM
The eruption is pretty much unchanged from yesterday. Maybe slightly less active but not by much.
Uhm, there seems to be something inside that plume of ash. Are you sure you are just dealing with a volcano here?... :unsure:
The Balrog?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth00.deviantart.net%2Ffs12%2F300W%2Fi%2F2006%2F263%2F6%2F9%2FBalrog_by_Ironshod.jpg&hash=23cd593bd3399ce1042f75edaa9bba875d619a62)
I was totally gonna go there. <_<
Man you are slow today. What's the deal?
Zanza, thoe pics are the awesomest. They're not shopped are they?
Amazing pictures Zanza! :worthy:
Oh and the volcano is very quickly slowing down. It'll just be a local issue now instead of a global one.
Reuters is saying that the right pronounciation of Eyjafjallajokull is "ay-yah-FYAH-lah-yer-huhl".
Is that correct?
And the pics are amazing. I'm saving almost all of them.
Quote from: Martim Silva on April 21, 2010, 12:43:49 PM
Reuters is saying that the right pronounciation of Eyjafjallajokull is "ay-yah-FYAH-lah-yer-huhl".
Is that correct?
And the pics are amazing. I'm saving almost all of them.
almost... but icelandic is difficult like that, 14 vowels and all that..
The first pic is from NASA, the other pics are from the site where NASA got the first pic, so I assume they are real.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100419.html
http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100417-en.html
http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100416-en.html
http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100414-en.html
On the radio I heard about how hundreds of thousand of travelers were stranded, even in places like LA because of planes couldn't get to where they needed to be; and how auto manufacturing plants in Germany and elsewhere were shutting down production because the flow of parts was impeded.
Quote from: Jacob on April 21, 2010, 06:20:33 PM
On the radio I heard about how hundreds of thousand of travelers were stranded, even in places like LA because of planes couldn't get to where they needed to be; and how auto manufacturing plants in Germany and elsewhere were shutting down production because the flow of parts was impeded.
I read stuff like that to. Such as African Roses being destroyed because they can't send them to Europe.
Quote from: Zanza on April 21, 2010, 05:21:12 PM
The first pic is from NASA, the other pics are from the site where NASA got the first pic, so I assume they are real.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100419.html
http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100417-en.html
http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100416-en.html
http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/eyafallajokull_20100414-en.html
Raistlin is
PISSED.
This tops the weirdness scale at 12 out of 10
Quote from: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5651213-gaddafi-describes-the-cloud-of-volcanic-ash-iceland-b-divine-punishment-for-humansGaddafi describes the cloud of volcanic ash Iceland (b divine punishment for humans)
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Surt : Libya | Apr 20, 2010
Ruled out by Libyan leader Muammar GaddafiMuammar Gaddafi on Tuesday, the Arab region affected by the crisis caused by following the volcanic ash cloud emitted from the volcano, Iceland, which he described as "divine punishment of human beings."
This came in a speech by Libyan leader during the inauguration of the 43 session of the General Conference of the Union of Arab Universities, hosted by the University of Sirte on the Libyan city of Sirte, where Gadhafi expressed regret at the failure of Arab science.
He also criticized the Arab inability to invest their wealth and waste of funds, including many up in the end to their loss of these funds in a crisis such as the financial crisis that swept the world, adding that he had lost some of the Arab money and a half trillion dollars.
He pointed out that it is very shameful that a nation of these possibilities and this history and these challenges they face, did not make an effort to invent or develop anything deep and influential.
And asked the Arabs to the attention of scientific research and the abandonment of the traditional process in which we are now.
He pointed out that economists now say that the Arabs in their activity by the so-called economy, not yet at the stage of economic development, it is a cash deposit or architectural structures, and this is not economical.
I'd suggest the two bolded sections are somehow connected.