I just signed the papers. I didn't get any money because Im still in my A Zone (first 6 years of service), until March 2011. So, my new ETS (Estimated Time of Separation) is March 2013, when I'm gonna be well into my B Zone (6 to 10 years of service) and get another fat bonus.
What a did get was my choice of duty station, and I convinced my wife to go to Fort Campbel, Kentucky. She wanted to go to Fort Benning, Georgia, to be closer to Miami and her family, but Benning sucks, they only have mechanized infantry, and I wanted to be Light Infantry. Therefore, we are going to Fort Campbell, to the 101st Airborne Division, the famous "Screaming Eagles" of Band Of Brothers fame.
A couple pictures below.
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From the recent R&R leave, when we went cruising with America Holland Line:
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Great shorts for cruising. :)
Wasn't Hendrix in the 101st btw?
You're a para? :unsure:
Good luck, and good call. Campbell beats Benning any day of the week.
What in gods name does NOT beat Benning any day of the week?
Maybe Leavenworth, and even then only if you are an inmate.
In completely unrelated news, the Chinese flow of intelligence regarding American infantry tactics and equipment, as well as anything sensitive that Siegebreaker is exposed to, has just been secured until March 2013.
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2010, 02:49:34 PM
What in gods name does NOT beat Benning any day of the week?
Maybe Leavenworth, and even then only if you are an inmate.
Fort Polk in Louisiana is the worst, from anecdotal evidence...
Good luck. I take it this means some time training with your new unit before you go somewhere to actually shoot at people again?
Fort Polk is definitively the worst I've seen.
I was considering Fort Stewart in Georgia, because is only 5 hours from Miami, but Stewart has the same problem than Benning, in that the only unit in there, the 3rd Infantry Division, is Mechanized Infantry. The good thing about Benning is that all the schools are over there, and I could get a gig as an instructor at the Sniper School. I will probably do that, after I deploy to Afghanistan. That's reason number one why I choosed Campbell.
My deployment to Afghanistan have been secured. There are only 3 units that are 100% sure to deploy to afghanistan: The 10th Mountain, the 82nd Airborne, and the 101st Airborne. The 10th Mountain is way too cold for me (based at Fort Drum, New York), the 82nd Airborne too squared away (the discipline is ranger stupid), and that leaves the 101st as my only choice.
So, I'm trying to place myself in the right spot to deploy to Afghanistan. Despite of what you might think, not everybody is going to Afghanistan. The Heavy Brigades are either staying home or going to Kuwait for Theater Reserve. I even hear that some units might deploy again to friggin Iraq, not as combat units, but to train the iraqis. So this could get really gay. Only the Light Infantry is going to Afghanistan for sure, and this time no friggin Sergeant Major is going to stop me from tourin the Land Of The Afghans, like my stupid Brigade Sergeant Major did last year when I volunteered to go with the 5th Brigade to Kandahar, and he didn't let me.
Life is about placing yourself in the right spot, and hoping that you are there at the right time.
Quote from: SiegeIm still in my A Zone (first 6 years of service), until March 2011
Huh. For some reason I thought you'd been in the (US) Army for longer than that. Anyway, cheers and good luck with everything.
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 18, 2010, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2010, 02:49:34 PM
What in gods name does NOT beat Benning any day of the week?
Maybe Leavenworth, and even then only if you are an inmate.
Fort Polk in Louisiana is the worst, from anecdotal evidence...
its a wet heat.
Quote from: Tyr on March 18, 2010, 02:18:16 PM
You're a para? :unsure:
The 101st hasn't been Airborne since Vietnam. They are now an "Air Assault" Division. Or as we Airborne call it "Too scared to jump, too lazy to walk".
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 18, 2010, 04:58:07 PMThe 101st hasn't been Airborne since Vietnam. They are now an "Air Assault" Division. Or as we Airborne call it "Too scared to jump, too lazy to walk".
Airborne PSYOP, huh?
^_^
Quote from: Jacob on March 18, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
Airborne PSYOP, huh?
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Quote from: Jacob on March 18, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 18, 2010, 04:58:07 PMThe 101st hasn't been Airborne since Vietnam. They are now an "Air Assault" Division. Or as we Airborne call it "Too scared to jump, too lazy to walk".
Airborne PSYOP, huh?
On the Active Duty side we're part of SOCOM, so PSYOP is all Airborne since we mainly support SF and Rangers (we used to also support the 82nd alot since we were at Fort Bragg). Unfortunately, my current company is not Airborne, though I'm working to rectify that.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 18, 2010, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 18, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 18, 2010, 04:58:07 PMThe 101st hasn't been Airborne since Vietnam. They are now an "Air Assault" Division. Or as we Airborne call it "Too scared to jump, too lazy to walk".
Airborne PSYOP, huh?
On the Active Duty side we're part of SOCOM, so PSYOP is all Airborne since we mainly support SF and Rangers (we used to also support the 82nd alot since we were at Fort Bragg). Unfortunately, my current company is not Airborne, though I'm working to rectify that.
Throwing them out windows?
Quote from: Berkut on March 18, 2010, 02:49:34 PM
What in gods name does NOT beat Benning any day of the week?
Maybe Leavenworth, and even then only if you are an inmate.
Stewart. Maybe Drum
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 18, 2010, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 18, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 18, 2010, 04:58:07 PMThe 101st hasn't been Airborne since Vietnam. They are now an "Air Assault" Division. Or as we Airborne call it "Too scared to jump, too lazy to walk".
Airborne PSYOP, huh?
On the Active Duty side we're part of SOCOM, so PSYOP is all Airborne since we mainly support SF and Rangers (we used to also support the 82nd alot since we were at Fort Bragg). Unfortunately, my current company is not Airborne, though I'm working to rectify that.
Why, it's pointless.
Siege, do you ever smile on photos?
Martinus will be along shortly to wish you your death.
Siege looks kinda like John Ringo.
Quote from: Syt on March 18, 2010, 11:52:40 PM
Siege, do you ever smile on photos?
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Showing teeth is not always the same as smiling. ;)
Quote from: Syt on March 19, 2010, 03:10:03 AM
Showing teeth is not always the same as smiling. ;)
QFT :cherieblair:
Quote from: Syt on March 19, 2010, 03:10:03 AM
Showing teeth is not always the same as smiling. ;)
Why would I smile anyway?
You are starting to sound like my wife. She always wants me to smile.
"You have a beautiful smile..."
I dont' give a fuck.
Real men don't feel preasure to smile to appear friendly, beacuse they are confident in their power to subdue all potential enemies.
Smiling is for the weak, or for the ones that want to something from you, like politicians.
You still can't get in my x zone.
Do you smile when killing Arabs?
Quote from: Siege on March 19, 2010, 03:38:34 AM
I dont' give a fuck.
Real men don't feel preasure to smile to appear friendly, beacuse they are confident in their power to subdue all potential enemies.
Smiling is for the weak, or for the ones that want to something from you, like politicians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zFsy9VIdM
You know, Siegy is kinda pale for one of those mid east Jews...
He's gone over that before, it's centuries of his great-great-grandmothers being raped by white people.
I bet secretly he knows Yiddish.
Way to go, Siegy. Keep killing Muslims.
I found this one for you too, Siegy.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 18, 2010, 11:55:00 PM
Martinus will be along shortly to wish you your death.
Nah. I think his life is miserable enough, it's more amusing if he lives.
Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2010, 04:12:20 PM
My deployment to Afghanistan have been secured. There are only 3 units that are 100% sure to deploy to afghanistan: The 10th Mountain, the 82nd Airborne, and the 101st Airborne. The 10th Mountain is way too cold for me (based at Fort Drum, New York), the 82nd Airborne too squared away (the discipline is ranger stupid), and that leaves the 101st as my only choice.
Watch it, buddy. Some of us have family ties to the 82nd. <_<
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 19, 2010, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2010, 04:12:20 PM
My deployment to Afghanistan have been secured. There are only 3 units that are 100% sure to deploy to afghanistan: The 10th Mountain, the 82nd Airborne, and the 101st Airborne. The 10th Mountain is way too cold for me (based at Fort Drum, New York), the 82nd Airborne too squared away (the discipline is ranger stupid), and that leaves the 101st as my only choice.
Watch it, buddy. Some of us have family ties to the 82nd. <_<
They are still too squared.
Also, are you trying to prove Larch's point in another thread?
Hey siegy you cock knobbling kike.
Where the he'll are you based ATM over in Iraq?
My cousin just went back for his 3rd time and I want to make sure he steals your sunglasses.
Quote from: katmai on March 19, 2010, 02:12:03 PM
Hey siegy you cock knobbling kike.
Where the he'll are you based ATM over in Iraq?
My cousin just went back for his 3rd time and I want to make sure he steals your sunglasses.
We're such a sensitive bunch here. :lol:
Quote from: katmai on March 19, 2010, 02:12:03 PM
Hey siegy you cock knobbling kike.
Where the he'll are you based ATM over in Iraq?
My cousin just went back for his 3rd time and I want to make sure he steals your sunglasses.
I only wear Army issued Oakleys over here.
Excellent as he is navy will need a pair of those.
But really just curious if anywhere near each other as he is apparently in fallajuh(sp?)
Quote from: katmai on March 20, 2010, 05:42:20 PM
Excellent as he is navy will need a pair of those.
But really just curious if anywhere near each other as he is apparently in fallajuh(sp?)
I'm in Camp Taji, 15 miles North of Baghdad.
Got it, be safe you crazy sefardic cousin of mine :P
What is your primo supposed to do once he makes it to Camp Taji Mahali?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 19, 2010, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2010, 04:12:20 PM
My deployment to Afghanistan have been secured. There are only 3 units that are 100% sure to deploy to afghanistan: The 10th Mountain, the 82nd Airborne, and the 101st Airborne. The 10th Mountain is way too cold for me (based at Fort Drum, New York), the 82nd Airborne too squared away (the discipline is ranger stupid), and that leaves the 101st as my only choice.
Watch it, buddy. Some of us have family ties to the 82nd. <_<
So, it's true. And what does your 'family tie' matter?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 21, 2010, 07:31:40 PM
What is your primo supposed to do once he makes it to Camp Taji Mahali?
Well he is a Seabee so....
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2010, 10:52:43 AM
They are still too squared.
Also, are you trying to prove Larch's point in another thread?
:unsure: What point are you talking about?
Who is higher in rank? Siegebreaker or "Alci" ? :hmm:
If the FIRST as I would assume , does Alci have to call him Siegebreaker sir? :yuk:
I'd assume he would address him by his real name. :huh:
Though I don't think any enlisted men get called "sir."
Indeed they don't.
I thought Siegebreaker was like a Major or something.
If that were true, God help us all. :pope:
Quote from: Jaron on March 22, 2010, 01:52:10 AM
Who is higher in rank? Siegebreaker or "Alci" ? :hmm:
If the FIRST as I would assume , does Alci have to call him Siegebreaker sir? :yuk:
He could always pull a Hans and just fire him.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 21, 2010, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2010, 10:52:43 AM
They are still too squared.
Also, are you trying to prove Larch's point in another thread?
:unsure: What point are you talking about?
Americans are batshit insane proud of their Military/Police/Firefighter.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 22, 2010, 06:54:35 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 21, 2010, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 19, 2010, 10:52:43 AM
They are still too squared.
Also, are you trying to prove Larch's point in another thread?
:unsure: What point are you talking about?
Americans are batshit insane proud of their Military/Police/Firefighter.
I think it's less the case of "Americans are batshit insane proud of their military" (original grammar maintained) but more the case of "Americans in the military are batshit insane" as Siegy's continuing existence aptly proves.
That wasn't Larch's point tho.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 22, 2010, 02:19:54 AM
I'd assume he would address him by his real name. :huh:
Though I don't think any enlisted men get called "sir."
Alci have to call me Sergeant now, but when he get his commision, I will have to call him Sir.
I call them grunts, they call me squid.
Quote from: Martinus on March 22, 2010, 07:00:35 AM
"Americans in the military are batshit insane" as Siegy's continuing existence aptly proves.
:yes: Every American soldier behaves and thinks just like Seigey. :)
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2010, 02:56:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 22, 2010, 07:00:35 AM
"Americans in the military are batshit insane" as Siegy's continuing existence aptly proves.
:yes: Every American soldier behaves and thinks just like Seigey. :)
I *knew* it!
Quote from: Siege on March 22, 2010, 07:43:11 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 22, 2010, 02:19:54 AM
I'd assume he would address him by his real name. :huh:
Though I don't think any enlisted men get called "sir."
Alci have to call me Sergeant now, but when he get his commision, I will have to call him Sir.
Aren't you a Staff Sergeant by now?
I have to say there is no better Rank than First Sergeant, I don't think I ever want a different position after this. I'm not really interested in being a Sergeant Major.
Alci is getting a commission?
What about Corporal Captain?
Quote from: Razgovory on March 22, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
Alci is getting a commission?
Yup. Army is paying his tuition (at Illinois IIRC). He'll be a shavetail when he gets out.
Quote from: Caliga on March 22, 2010, 02:56:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 22, 2010, 07:00:35 AM
"Americans in the military are batshit insane" as Siegy's continuing existence aptly proves.
:yes: Every American soldier behaves and thinks just like Seigey. :)
Except that most of them are going to heaven after they die.
Quote from: Jaron on March 22, 2010, 01:52:10 AM
Who is higher in rank? Siegebreaker or "Alci" ? :hmm:
I missed being the same rank as Siegy by 2 months. :cool:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 22, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
Alci is getting a commission?
Yup. Army is paying his tuition (at Illinois IIRC). He'll be a shavetail when he gets out.
Yi's got it right, Siege will be saluting me in 3 years, when he re-enlists again. :showoff:
So it'll be Lt. Asshole sir?
Quote from: katmai on March 22, 2010, 10:01:44 PM
So it'll be Lt. Asshole sir?
How many Assholes we got on this ship, anyhow!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymzh7YAlZng&feature=related
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 22, 2010, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: Siege on March 22, 2010, 07:43:11 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 22, 2010, 02:19:54 AM
I'd assume he would address him by his real name. :huh:
Though I don't think any enlisted men get called "sir."
Alci have to call me Sergeant now, but when he get his commision, I will have to call him Sir.
Aren't you a Staff Sergeant by now?
I have to say there is no better Rank than First Sergeant, I don't think I ever want a different position after this. I'm not really interested in being a Sergeant Major.
Yep. I've been an E6 for a while.
I am the weapons squad leader right now, even though I am not the senior E6.
I will probably stay in this gig until we redeploy.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 22, 2010, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Jaron on March 22, 2010, 01:52:10 AM
Who is higher in rank? Siegebreaker or "Alci" ? :hmm:
I missed being the same rank as Siegy by 2 months. :cool:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 22, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 22, 2010, 03:29:53 PM
Alci is getting a commission?
Yup. Army is paying his tuition (at Illinois IIRC). He'll be a shavetail when he gets out.
Yi's got it right, Siege will be saluting me in 3 years, when he re-enlists again. :showoff:
Faggot, I'm gonna stick your butterbar up your ass, and try and bring some UCMJ action on me, class traitor.
What's wrong with being an NCO? Why can't you be normal?
Because the professionalism of the NCO corp has decreased to sickening levels?
Gotta love the new 'battlefield promotions'.
It's a joke. And you will salute me. :nelson:
I for one, salute Alci's ambition to give orders to plebs.
I know nothing about the modern military. How does someone become an officer? Is it a matter of going to officer school? How do you get in? Can someone like Siegy who is a sargent go to officer school if he wants?
There are several routes, but the most popular is going to college, attaining a four year degree while attending Reserve Officers' Training Corps. Basically you learn the ins and outs of the military over four years focusing on the basics and the lower ranks in the first years to more advanced stuff and higher ranking responsibilities by the fourth year. Included are field problems, courses you have to take over the summer etc. After your junior year you attend a month long course that tests you on everything and plays a major role in what you will be branched. Following your senior year you are commissioned and attend 'school' for what ever branch of the army you were tasked with, taking 9 months to over 2 years in some cases.
Siegy could potentially become an officer, doing the same route I did, but it's an ass-load of work. He'd have to be accepted to a school, get a ton of recommendations, and fill out ridiculous amounts of paperwork.
So it's doubtful. :P
He wouldn't want to any way. Much easier to just stay where you are, which is how most people get stuck in a rut in the military. :ph34r:
Siegy likes to kill people, he's afraid of not being able to do that.
With you being already in the Army, why are they paying you to become an officer that way? Couldn't they just commission you without the trouble of paying for your college education?
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 09:49:12 AM
There are several routes, but the most popular is going to college, attaining a four year degree while attending Reserve Officers' Training Corps. Basically you learn the ins and outs of the military over four years focusing on the basics and the lower ranks in the first years to more advanced stuff and higher ranking responsibilities by the fourth year. Included are field problems, courses you have to take over the summer etc. After your junior year you attend a month long course that tests you on everything and plays a major role in what you will be branched. Following your senior year you are commissioned and attend 'school' for what ever branch of the army you were tasked with, taking 9 months to over 2 years in some cases.
Siegy could potentially become an officer, doing the same route I did, but it's an ass-load of work. He'd have to be accepted to a school, get a ton of recommendations, and fill out ridiculous amounts of paperwork.
So it's doubtful. :P
He wouldn't want to any way. Much easier to just stay where you are, which is how most people get stuck in a rut in the military. :ph34r:
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 23, 2010, 09:56:11 AM
Siegy likes to kill people, he's afraid of not being able to do that.
With you being already in the Army, why are they paying you to become an officer that way? Couldn't they just commission you without the trouble of paying for your college education?
Need an education, officers are supposed to be smart pipple. Not that it is necessarily always the case.
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
Nope, think WW2 was the last time that was an option? :hmm:
While we have the answers a-flowing -- what about promotion of officers? Is it possible under the US system to have a general who is also reasonably young, if they are a military genius? Does the promotion system recoginize budding Nelsons and Wellingtons, or do you mostly get guys who are good office managers?
There are time requirements for rank which are easily google-able.
In addition to just time requirements, you have to have a lot of pre-requisite positions doing different dutys. And then once you're past Captain, I believe, it's all Department of Defense mandated. And once you are up for brigadier general, good luck.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/promotions/l/blofficerprom.htm
You can't get more "political" than promotions to general officer (also known as "Flag Officer"). General Officers (Flag Officers) are those in the paygrades of O-7 through O-10. Fewer than one percent of career officers will ever be promoted to Flag Rank.
O-7 - One Star. Brigadier General. Rear Admiral (Lower Half) in the Navy/Coast Guard
O-8 - Two Stars. Major General. Rear Admiral (Upper Half) in the Navy/Coast Guard
O-9 - Three Stars. Lieutenant General. Vice Admiral in the Navy/Coast Guard
O-10 - Four Stars. General. Admiral in the Navy/Coast Guard
General officers are nominated for promotion by the President of the United States, and confirmed by the Senate. You can't get more "political" than that. The services hold in-service promotion boards to recommend officers for general officer promotion to the President. When vacancies occur (a general officer gets promoted or retires), the President nominates officers to be promoted from these lists (with advice from the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the applicable service, and the Service Chief of Staff/Commandant)
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
Because the professionalism of the NCO corp has decreased to sickening levels?
Gotta love the new 'battlefield promotions'.
It's a joke. And you will salute me. :nelson:
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"We salute the rank, not the man."
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 10:47:31 AM
Need an education, officers are supposed to be smart pipple. Not that it is necessarily always the case.
As a joe who works with O-5s and O-6s on a daily basis, this is absolutely true. :lol:
So when Alci gradudates, he is going to outrank every member of the military services in languish?
Well Otto who still pops in once in a while and grumbles both were of higher ranks but are both retired.
I believe Admiral Yi has the highest rank on the forum. ;)
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
Because the professionalism of the NCO corp has decreased to sickening levels?
Gotta love the new 'battlefield promotions'.
It's a joke. And you will salute me. :nelson:
Elaborate. Surely Siege and Hans are not representative.
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 09:49:12 AM
There are several routes, but the most popular is going to college, attaining a four year degree while attending Reserve Officers' Training Corps. Basically you learn the ins and outs of the military over four years focusing on the basics and the lower ranks in the first years to more advanced stuff and higher ranking responsibilities by the fourth year. Included are field problems, courses you have to take over the summer etc. After your junior year you attend a month long course that tests you on everything and plays a major role in what you will be branched. Following your senior year you are commissioned and attend 'school' for what ever branch of the army you were tasked with, taking 9 months to over 2 years in some cases.
Siegy could potentially become an officer, doing the same route I did, but it's an ass-load of work. He'd have to be accepted to a school, get a ton of recommendations, and fill out ridiculous amounts of paperwork.
So it's doubtful. :P
He wouldn't want to any way. Much easier to just stay where you are, which is how most people get stuck in a rut in the military. :ph34r:
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
That only happens in a major war when casualties are consistently heavy.
Quote from: katmai on March 24, 2010, 12:21:29 AM
Well Otto who still pops in once in a while and grumbles both were of higher ranks but are both retired.
What rank was Otto?
One of the teachers at my school is a Captain in the reserve and is in charge of 14 tanks.
I'm pretty sure they were all enlisted, so I would outrank them all. :ph34r:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 24, 2010, 01:16:10 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
Because the professionalism of the NCO corp has decreased to sickening levels?
Gotta love the new 'battlefield promotions'.
It's a joke. And you will salute me. :nelson:
Elaborate. Surely Siege and Hans are not representative.
They are not. Siege is crazy, and Hans is political. Neither is allowed, normally. :D
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 24, 2010, 02:02:51 AM
I'm pretty sure they were all enlisted, so I would outrank them all. :ph34r:
So how long until you are an officer?
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 24, 2010, 02:02:51 AM
I'm pretty sure they were all enlisted, so I would outrank them all. :ph34r:
Not Otto, he went to West Point.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 24, 2010, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 24, 2010, 02:02:51 AM
I'm pretty sure they were all enlisted, so I would outrank them all. :ph34r:
Not Otto, he went to West Point.
Grumbler was an officer as well wasn't he?
Grumbler was a polemarch IIRC.
Grumbler was first mate on the Bonhomme Richard.
Enlisted? Que?
Quote from: Tamas on March 24, 2010, 04:01:10 AM
Enlisted? Que?
from wiki:
QuoteAn enlisted rank (or more correctly, enlisted grades or rates) in the Military of the United States is any rank below a commissioned officer or warrant officer.
Quote from: Tamas on March 24, 2010, 04:01:10 AM
Enlisted? Que?
Remember BOB? Lt and above = Commissioned. Everything else, Enlisted.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 24, 2010, 03:12:02 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 24, 2010, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 24, 2010, 02:02:51 AM
I'm pretty sure they were all enlisted, so I would outrank them all. :ph34r:
Not Otto, he went to West Point.
Grumbler was an officer as well wasn't he?
I don't think so. Though he was elected
Strategos a few times. I think he was just a petty officer. A very petty one, who constantly nitpicked the commands of his superiors.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 24, 2010, 07:00:24 AM
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I'm pretty sure they were all enlisted, so I would outrank them all. :ph34r:
Not Otto, he went to West Point.
Grumbler was an officer as well wasn't he?
I don't think so. Though he was elected Strategos a few times. I think he was just a petty officer. A very petty one, who constantly nitpicked the commands of his superiors.
Grumbles was at the Nika riots, putting them down with Belisarius and Mundus.
These jokes never get old. At least, not as old Grumbler.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 24, 2010, 07:00:24 AM
I don't think so. Though he was elected Strategos a few times. I think he was just a petty officer. A very petty one, who constantly nitpicked the commands of his superiors.
LITTLE KNOWN FACT: The real reason behind Grumbler's Charge at Gettysburg was not to actually win the battle, but to rid Lee of Grumbler. :)
Quote from: Caliga on March 24, 2010, 08:01:24 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 24, 2010, 07:00:24 AM
I don't think so. Though he was elected Strategos a few times. I think he was just a petty officer. A very petty one, who constantly nitpicked the commands of his superiors.
LITTLE KNOWN FACT: The real reason behind Grumbler's Charge at Gettysburg was not to actually win the battle, but to rid Lee of Grumbler. :)
Lee's order had 34 'Mew's' and 17 'Squee's'. The order was returned with corrections in red ink.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 23, 2010, 09:49:12 AM
There are several routes, but the most popular is going to college, attaining a four year degree while attending Reserve Officers' Training Corps. Basically you learn the ins and outs of the military over four years focusing on the basics and the lower ranks in the first years to more advanced stuff and higher ranking responsibilities by the fourth year. Included are field problems, courses you have to take over the summer etc. After your junior year you attend a month long course that tests you on everything and plays a major role in what you will be branched. Following your senior year you are commissioned and attend 'school' for what ever branch of the army you were tasked with, taking 9 months to over 2 years in some cases.
Siegy could potentially become an officer, doing the same route I did, but it's an ass-load of work. He'd have to be accepted to a school, get a ton of recommendations, and fill out ridiculous amounts of paperwork.
So it's doubtful. :P
He wouldn't want to any way. Much easier to just stay where you are, which is how most people get stuck in a rut in the military. :ph34r:
In the Army Reserve it can be pretty easy to get a commission. A few years ago they were trying to give me a direct commission, but I declined, repeatedly. There is nothing worse than an old butterbar.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 24, 2010, 08:24:49 AM
In the Army Reserve it can be pretty easy to get a commission. A few years ago they were trying to give me a direct commission, but I declined, repeatedly. There is nothing worse than an old butterbar.
Is a "direct commission" one in which you don't have to go to officer school?
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
Why would I want to be an officer?
Their only chance to do something valuable is while they are platoon leaders, and that last less than a year. Leutenants have to do a lot of friggin staff jobs before getting promoted to Captain. As captains, they get to be company commanders for 1 year, then they got to do more staff jobs, then, if they are on track, and have a masters degree, they go to some academy that is required to become a Major. I think is called Field Officers Academy or something along those lines. And company commanders have zero chance of actually firing their weapons in combat.
To be an officer, you have to like warfare from a diferent point of view, a more intellectual point of view. Very rewarding, but is just not the same.
They get the big bucks, though.
Quote from: Malthus on March 24, 2010, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 24, 2010, 08:24:49 AM
In the Army Reserve it can be pretty easy to get a commission. A few years ago they were trying to give me a direct commission, but I declined, repeatedly. There is nothing worse than an old butterbar.
Is a "direct commission" one in which you don't have to go to officer school?
Everybody have to go to some sort school.
NCOs have to go to the NCO Academy for every rank we get.
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane
He's a lock!
Hans would make a good officer. He brags a lot, thinks he's always right, and has his head stuck up his ass.
Quote from: Siege on March 24, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
Why would I want to be an officer?
Their only chance to do something valuable is while they are platoon leaders, and that last less than a year. Leutenants have to do a lot of friggin staff jobs before getting promoted to Captain. As captains, they get to be company commanders for 1 year, then they got to do more staff jobs, then, if they are on track, and have a masters degree, they go to some academy that is required to become a Major. I think is called Field Officers Academy or something along those lines. And company commanders have zero chance of actually firing their weapons in combat.
To be an officer, you have to like warfare from a diferent point of view, a more intellectual point of view. Very rewarding, but is just not the same.
They get the big bucks, though.
My impression is that no-one in the military makes much in the way of money, though the benefits can be nice.
Seems that there is a general feeling among NCOs that being an officer isn't worth it.
I took ROTC classes and tried to be an officer. Then they found out I was crazy and that nixed that. Standards have lowered since then, they let in Siege. But I think it's to late anyway. Oh well. Would have been cool though.
"See this medal baby? The ones that says 'For good conduct'? I got that one uhh killing a man with my bare hands.".
This reminds me, I will hit my 20 years of reserve time in 3 years, I feel old now, thank you.
Quote from: Malthus on March 24, 2010, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: Siege on March 24, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
Why would I want to be an officer?
Their only chance to do something valuable is while they are platoon leaders, and that last less than a year. Leutenants have to do a lot of friggin staff jobs before getting promoted to Captain. As captains, they get to be company commanders for 1 year, then they got to do more staff jobs, then, if they are on track, and have a masters degree, they go to some academy that is required to become a Major. I think is called Field Officers Academy or something along those lines. And company commanders have zero chance of actually firing their weapons in combat.
To be an officer, you have to like warfare from a diferent point of view, a more intellectual point of view. Very rewarding, but is just not the same.
They get the big bucks, though.
My impression is that no-one in the military makes much in the way of money, though the benefits can be nice.
Seems that there is a general feeling among NCOs that being an officer isn't worth it.
As a butterbar with 3 year experience ill be making something like 55k starting out with full benefits. After 3 more years its like 65k. And if you deploy and its all non-taxable? :worthy:
Yay people killing for profit.
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Yay people killing for profit.
Bidness is good. :cool:
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Quote from: Malthus on March 24, 2010, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 24, 2010, 08:24:49 AM
In the Army Reserve it can be pretty easy to get a commission. A few years ago they were trying to give me a direct commission, but I declined, repeatedly. There is nothing worse than an old butterbar.
Is a "direct commission" one in which you don't have to go to officer school?
Yes, you get to skip going to OCS and get a commission without going to school. They only allow that in the Reserve and National Guard. You basically go in front of a Board for an interview and if you're selected you pin on your bars without anything else. Since I was friends with the majority of board members I would have been a lock, but that's just not something I wanted to do.
Quote from: Malthus on March 24, 2010, 09:55:18 AM
Quote from: Siege on March 24, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2010, 10:25:03 AM
Could Siegy be made an officer without going to school if he performs some act of insane (but justified by circumstances) bravery in battle and survives?
Why would I want to be an officer?
Their only chance to do something valuable is while they are platoon leaders, and that last less than a year. Leutenants have to do a lot of friggin staff jobs before getting promoted to Captain. As captains, they get to be company commanders for 1 year, then they got to do more staff jobs, then, if they are on track, and have a masters degree, they go to some academy that is required to become a Major. I think is called Field Officers Academy or something along those lines. And company commanders have zero chance of actually firing their weapons in combat.
To be an officer, you have to like warfare from a diferent point of view, a more intellectual point of view. Very rewarding, but is just not the same.
They get the big bucks, though.
My impression is that no-one in the military makes much in the way of money, though the benefits can be nice.
Seems that there is a general feeling among NCOs that being an officer isn't worth it.
Actually the pay is very good, particularly if you adjust for the different tax treatments. My adjusted pay is equal to $83,000 in the civilian sector, and this of course does not count healthcare and retirement benefits. Plus I qualify for some other benefits such as a $300 per month childcare subsidy, etc.
I thought you were a GS 14 or something.
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 24, 2010, 05:42:13 PM
I thought you were a GS 14 or something.
I had a GS-9 position for a short time and was offered a GS-12 job (as Safety Officer :yuk:) but decided I much rather remain a Soldier (better paid too).
I was a GLG20.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 24, 2010, 04:53:24 PM
Actually the pay is very good, particularly if you adjust for the different tax treatments. My adjusted pay is equal to $83,000 in the civilian sector, and this of course does not count healthcare and retirement benefits. Plus I qualify for some other benefits such as a $300 per month childcare subsidy, etc.
How many years of experience to get that?
I'm a LA-2A. :)
Quote from: lustindarkness on March 24, 2010, 10:05:47 AM
This reminds me, I will hit my 20 years of reserve time in 3 years, I feel old now, thank you.
:nelson:
As far as I know, grumbler is the ranking officer on the board (USN Commander)
I'll be leaving in the fall as an E-6 (Petty Officer First Class)
My new rank will be "Mr."
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 25, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
As far as I know, grumbler is the ranking officer on the board (USN Commander)
I'll be leaving in the fall as an E-6 (Petty Officer First Class)
My new rank will be "Mr."
A much better rank :bowler:
Yes, I think so. It's been a good run, but it's time for me to go before I become an admin drone.
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 25, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
As far as I know, grumbler is the ranking officer on the board (USN Commander)
He was even higher ranked in the Carthaginian navy.
[Languish memes never grow old! :D ]
QuoteMy new rank will be "Mr."
Sounds more like someone changing gender than changing rank. ;)
Nah, just the sunnier climes of civvie-dom.
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 25, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
Yes, I think so. It's been a good run, but it's time for me to go before I become an admin drone.
You could recreate the entire incubator episode from MASH as a Admin drone.
Hawkeye: [regarding the requisition of the incubator being denied] We're not asking for a jukebox or a pizza oven.
Captain Sloan: Oh, those I can let you have.
Henry: No kidding! Hey, those would be great on movie nights. You got any pizza requisition forms?
Captain Sloan: Just use the standard S stroke 1798 and write in "Pizza" where it says "Machine Gun".
Oh yeah I forgot about Grumbler.
Grumbler was a Commander?
I had no idea. For some reason I thought he was enlisted.
Quote from: Barrister on March 25, 2010, 05:16:59 PM
Grumbler was a Commander?
I had no idea. For some reason I thought he was enlisted.
Me too.
Beeb and raz,
respectfuly you two are idiots if you thought grumbles was enlisted.
Quote from: katmai on March 25, 2010, 05:38:31 PM
Beeb and raz,
respectfuly you two are idiots if you thought grumbles was enlisted.
:lol:
Quote from: Siege on March 18, 2010, 04:12:20 PMLife is about placing yourself in the right spot, and hoping that you are there at the right time.
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail.
Good luck Siegy
Quote from: Malthus on March 25, 2010, 08:31:03 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 24, 2010, 04:53:24 PM
Actually the pay is very good, particularly if you adjust for the different tax treatments. My adjusted pay is equal to $83,000 in the civilian sector, and this of course does not count healthcare and retirement benefits. Plus I qualify for some other benefits such as a $300 per month childcare subsidy, etc.
How many years of experience to get that?
I got 19 years in the service.
Quote from: katmai on March 25, 2010, 05:38:31 PM
Beeb and raz,
respectfuly you two are idiots if you thought grumbles was enlisted.
What do you mean by that?
That he is way too smart to be an enlisted subhuman like us?
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 25, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
As far as I know, grumbler is the ranking officer on the board (USN Commander)
I'll be leaving in the fall as an E-6 (Petty Officer First Class)
My new rank will be "Mr."
Damn, it took you 20 years to get E-6?
The Navy definitively sucks.
I got that in the Army in 4 and some change.
Quote from: Siege on March 27, 2010, 03:06:02 PM
Damn, it took you 20 years to get E-6?
I think you're confusing Spanky with Lusti.
Quote from: Siege on March 27, 2010, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 25, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
As far as I know, grumbler is the ranking officer on the board (USN Commander)
I'll be leaving in the fall as an E-6 (Petty Officer First Class)
My new rank will be "Mr."
Damn, it took you 20 years to get E-6?
The Navy definitively sucks.
I got that in the Army in 4 and some change.
Pretty sure AC is around 10 years TIS (maybe less)
I doubt I'll get E-6 this year (It'll be close, though, I think), but a good shot next year, which will be just shy of 7.
But it's fairly well known that the Army promotes pretty damned quickly. Heck, I think there was a short time that I out-ranked you. :P
Quote from: Siege on March 27, 2010, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: AnchorClanker on March 25, 2010, 03:34:26 PM
As far as I know, grumbler is the ranking officer on the board (USN Commander)
I'll be leaving in the fall as an E-6 (Petty Officer First Class)
My new rank will be "Mr."
Damn, it took you 20 years to get E-6?
The Navy definitively sucks.
I got that in the Army in 4 and some change.
Ank has not been in that long. In the reserves it takes forever and a day to advance, not so on active duty.
Yeah, but the reserves and national guard have dubious promotion practices.