QuoteRoy Ashburn ARRESTED: Anti-Gay State Sen. Got DUI After Leaving Gay Nightclub, Sources Say
Early Wednesday morning, State Sen. Roy Ashburn (R-Calif.) was pulled over and arrested for drunk driving. Sources report that Ashburn -- a fierce opponent of gay rights -- was driving drunk after leaving a gay nightclub; when the officer stopped the state-issued vehicle, there was an unidentified man in the passenger seat of the car.
Ashburn has issued an apology for the incident:
"I am deeply sorry for my actions and offer no excuse for my poor judgment. I accept complete responsibility for my conduct and am prepared to accept the consequences for what I did. I am also truly sorry for the impact this incident will have on those who support and trust me - my family, my constituents, my friends, and my colleagues in the Senate."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/04/roy-ashburn-arrested-anti_n_485419.html
Karma is a bitch, motherfucker. :yeah:
Isn't this like mocking one of your own?
No. Self-hating fags are not one of us.
For all you know he was an undercover brother trying to destroy the anti-gay movement from within.
He could be part of the gay Mossad.
Besides, isn't self loathing part of being gay? Aside from Sheilbh and TES, all the gays on Languish have done some measure of hiding or hatred at what they are. Like some kind of modern day Frankensteins.
That's why gays shouldn't be allowed to run for public office. They tend to get into illegal situations more often than their heterosexual counterparts.
Quote from: Jaron on March 04, 2010, 04:47:48 PM
Besides, isn't self loathing part of being gay? Aside from Sheilbh and TES, all the gays on Languish have done some measure of hiding or hatred at what they are. Like some kind of modern day Frankensteins.
Hrmm. I wanted to give you a :middle finger: emoticon, but can't.
Quote from: Faeelin on March 04, 2010, 04:59:32 PM
Quote from: Jaron on March 04, 2010, 04:47:48 PM
Besides, isn't self loathing part of being gay? Aside from Sheilbh and TES, all the gays on Languish have done some measure of hiding or hatred at what they are. Like some kind of modern day Frankensteins.
Hrmm. I wanted to give you a :middle finger: emoticon, but can't.
:moon:
Quote from: Jaron on March 04, 2010, 04:47:48 PM
Besides, isn't self loathing part of being gay? Aside from Sheilbh and TES, all the gays on Languish have done some measure of hiding or hatred at what they are. Like some kind of modern day Frankensteins.
Am I hiding or am I hating? :unsure:
Quote from: Alexandru H. on March 04, 2010, 04:55:08 PM
That's why gays shouldn't be allowed to run for public office. They tend to get into illegal situations more often than their heterosexual counterparts.
I can't even tell you how many DUIs I've had.
Quote from: garbon on March 04, 2010, 05:04:16 PM
Quote from: Jaron on March 04, 2010, 04:47:48 PM
Besides, isn't self loathing part of being gay? Aside from Sheilbh and TES, all the gays on Languish have done some measure of hiding or hatred at what they are. Like some kind of modern day Frankensteins.
Am I hiding or am I hating? :unsure:
Hiding..
Are we going to meet up soon or what bro? I need my garbon fix. :)
damn... last year was good for anti-hypocracy.. the republicans were cheating on their wives with women... but it seems we are back to situation normal...
Maybe it was the only place in town to get a decent appletini
Sounds like his criticism of gays was informed.
I'm a little curious what actions are required in order for the Huffington Post to label you a "fierce opponent of gay rights."
You have to be "Feroc"
Quote from: DGuller on March 04, 2010, 05:40:06 PM
Sounds like his criticism of gays was informed.
Maybe he was going there to personally deprive the rights of gays.
Who has the right-of-gay anyway?
PWNED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0ETAAh3dg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0ETAAh3dg)
Both the senator and the host, who apparently is a conservatard.
Recently, I've seen the acronym "LGBTQ" in place of what used to be LGBT. What's the Q for?
Why did I ask in this thread? Pick a gay thread. Any gay thread.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
Recently, I've seen the acronym "LGBTQ" in place of what used to be LGBT. What's the Q for?
Why did I ask in this thread? Pick a gay thread. Any gay thread.
"Questioning."
Quote from: Caliga on March 08, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
PWNED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0ETAAh3dg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0ETAAh3dg)
Both the senator and the host, who apparently is a conservatard.
Why are such people mocked? Shouldn't they be lauded for at least trying to do the right thing, and encouraging others to do the right thing as well?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
Recently, I've seen the acronym "LGBTQ" in place of what used to be LGBT. What's the Q for?
Why did I ask in this thread? Pick a gay thread. Any gay thread.
Queer.
Is "doing the right thing" admitting that you're gay only after getting caught red-handed, after having built a career as a conservative politician who voted against gay rights? :huh:
By leaving off the word "state" in the thread title, you mislead us into thinking it was somebody important. :thumbsdown:
Marti started the thread... maybe he doesn't know a state Senator is not the same thing as a U.S. Senator. :unsure:
Q is actually for questioning and queer. :smarty:
Quote from: Caliga on March 08, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
Is "doing the right thing" admitting that you're gay only after getting caught red-handed, after having built a career as a conservative politician who voted against gay rights? :huh:
I meant trying to not be gay in the first place.
Quote from: DGuller on March 08, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
I meant trying to not be gay in the first place.
:lol:
The first rule of gay club is ...
It was...err...research :shifty:
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 03:12:19 PM
Q is actually for questioning and queer. :smarty:
Questioning..... never heard it named for queer though.
I feel like this is the one thing you should know, marty. :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 08, 2010, 04:54:05 PM
Questioning..... never heard it named for queer though.
I feel like this is the one thing you should know, marty. :P
Questioning strikes me as the ridiculous one. Questioning is not a sexuality/lifestyle.
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 05:03:07 PM
Questioning strikes me as the ridiculous one. Questioning is not a sexuality/lifestyle.
Why not? Even if it's temporary, it's as legit as the others.
That's what bisexuality is. :contract:
Is "answering" also a lifestyle choice?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 08, 2010, 02:50:12 PM
Recently, I've seen the acronym "LGBTQ" in place of what used to be LGBT. What's the Q for?
Why did I ask in this thread? Pick a gay thread. Any gay thread.
Omnipotent nancies.
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
That's what bisexuality is. :contract:
Bisexuality is not necessarily temporary.
The gay clique takes anyone who is fabulous. Being gay , this is not about sexual preferences or who likes to stick what in whom. This is about lifestyle, culture, and the struggle to protect it and let it flourish.
MRFs.
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
That's what bisexuality is. :contract:
Then it should really be IBSCFYBISHDYBISEYTI* instead of Q.
*I've-Been-Sucking-Cock-For-Years-But-I-Still-Haven't-Decided-Yet-Because-I'm-Still-Experimenting-Yeah-That's-It
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 09, 2010, 05:56:06 AM
Redundant.
Yeah, it is with people trying to push queer as an overarching umbrella. Of course, I don't really know that many people who call themselves queer (self-labeling).
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 09, 2010, 05:56:06 AM
Redundant.
Yeah, it is with people trying to push queer as an overarching umbrella. Of course, I don't really know that many people who call themselves queer (self-labeling).
It's the term for actors and other celebrities who are gay but don't want to say it because they don't want to be "pigeonholed" (read: don't want to stop getting straight roles or having teenage girl fans) (see: Michael Urie who recently came out as "queer", and I think Mika, at least before he said he was "bi" - which is equally laughable).
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 01:13:43 PM
It's the term for actors and other celebrities who are gay but don't want to say it because they don't want to be "pigeonholed" (read: don't want to stop getting straight roles or having teenage girl fans) (see: Michael Urie who recently came out as "queer", and I think Mika, at least before he said he was "bi" - which is equally laughable).
I don't think that most people would see a difference between queer and gay except that queer might be offensive. :huh:
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 05:03:07 PMQuestioning strikes me as the ridiculous one. Questioning is not a sexuality/lifestyle.
I believe it is to denote that the organization in question is welcoming to people who're figuring out their shit, as opposed to being hostile to people who don't identify with one particular rigid spot on the spectrum.
So if we have people like "I haven't had sex yet and I'm not really sure who I'd like to have sex with", "I've been happily boinking people of one gender for years, but now I'm turned on by the other one" and "after some time experimenting, I think I'm most attracted to pre-op transsexuals" or whatever, they can belong to the organization without having to face "you're just fag in denial, get over yourself" from the CdMs and Marty's of the group.
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
I believe it is to denote that the organization in question is welcoming to people who're figuring out their shit, as opposed to being hostile to people who don't identify with one particular rigid spot on the spectrum.
Except that every letter represents a group of people which is generally hostile to the other groups. -_-
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 02:17:49 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
I believe it is to denote that the organization in question is welcoming to people who're figuring out their shit, as opposed to being hostile to people who don't identify with one particular rigid spot on the spectrum.
Except that every letter represents a group of people which is generally hostile to the other groups. -_-
G and L dislike each other (and the only reason they don't actually hate each other is that they only meet once a year, at the pride). Both groups hate B. And everybody thinks T are freaks. -_-
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 02:17:49 PMExcept that every letter represents a group of people which is generally hostile to the other groups. -_-
Yeah, well the purpose of these alphabet soup groups is to promote some sort of unity amongst them, right?
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 02:31:01 PM
Yeah, well the purpose of these alphabet soup groups is to promote some sort of unity amongst them, right?
You gots me.
Who knew being gay was so complicated?
Quote from: DGuller on March 09, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
Who knew being gay was so complicated?
Gay people? :tinfoil:
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 02:31:01 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 02:17:49 PMExcept that every letter represents a group of people which is generally hostile to the other groups. -_-
Yeah, well the purpose of these alphabet soup groups is to promote some sort of unity amongst them, right?
Well yeah but this more a case of projecting reality than describing it. Gays and lesbians are two groups that are possibly most unattracted two each other of all combinations.
And bisexuals and transsexuals are two groups that fulfill two extreme stereotypes about gays that we most dread and dislike (on one hand "they could just settle with a nice girl if they wanted" and "they want to wear dresses, make-up and act feminine" on the other).
I leave my bigoted half to say bigoted things. ^_^
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
"they could just settle with a nice girl if they wanted"
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
"they could just settle with a nice girl if they wanted"
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
My mum only recently stopped asking me whether I'm sure this isn't just a phase. :P
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:57:58 PM
My mum only recently stopped asking me whether I'm sure this isn't just a phase. :P
Poor woman :weep:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
"they could just settle with a nice girl if they wanted"
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
Not just the parents. Think back to your line of male predecessors. Countless generations of them before you all managed to reproduce, without even a single exception, going back all the way to 6,000 years ago.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
He can still have a child. <_<
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
Well yeah but this more a case of projecting reality than describing it. Gays and lesbians are two groups that are possibly most unattracted two each other of all combinations.
And bisexuals and transsexuals are two groups that fulfill two extreme stereotypes about gays that we most dread and dislike (on one hand "they could just settle with a nice girl if they wanted" and "they want to wear dresses, make-up and act feminine" on the other).
So you're okay with female to male transsexuals?
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:46:34 PM
Well yeah but this more a case of projecting reality than describing it. Gays and lesbians are two groups that are possibly most unattracted two each other of all combinations.
And bisexuals and transsexuals are two groups that fulfill two extreme stereotypes about gays that we most dread and dislike (on one hand "they could just settle with a nice girl if they wanted" and "they want to wear dresses, make-up and act feminine" on the other).
So you're okay with female to male transsexuals?
I'm okay with any transgendered people.
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
He can still have a child. <_<
Yes, but kidnapping is still illegal.
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
I leave my bigoted half to say bigoted things. ^_^
I heard this argument used many times by gays, especially in the context of gay pride parades ("they make us all look like freaks"). I do not share this view - I like transgendered people, I enjoy drag shows / transvestite entertainment, etc. (though I do agree that the nature of GLB "uniqueness" is different than that of "T", the former being about sexual attraction the latter about gender identity). I was just reporting on what is espoused by many gays.
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
He can still have a child. <_<
Yeah, pairing up with lesbians for insemination, for one. Only you folks hate each other, apparently, making the parenting a tad awkward.
Do I sense a future sitcom plot? ;)
Quote from: Malthus on March 09, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2010, 02:53:27 PM
You're an only child, right? Think of all your parents did for you so their line would continue, all of that going for nought. :(
He can still have a child. <_<
Yeah, pairing up with lesbians for insemination, for one. Only you folks hate each other, apparently, making the parenting a tad awkward.
Do I sense a future sitcom plot? ;)
It's not that different then most married couples.
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
So you're okay with female to male transsexuals?
I'm not sure if there would be anything more horrifying than if I went down on a dude and he had a vagina.
Quote from: Malthus on March 09, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Yeah, pairing up with lesbians for insemination, for one. Only you folks hate each other, apparently, making the parenting a tad awkward.
Do I sense a future sitcom plot? ;)
Why does it have to be his biological child? :hmm:
I don't think gays and lesbians actually do hate each other. They are just ultimately entirely uninterested. We could just as well be aliens living in different dimensions.
I mean, gay men obviously interact with straight men, either as victims of homophobia, or originators of weird bromances or secret fantasies. They interact with straight women, either through the internalised mysogony or the fag hag mechanism. I am not very familiar with how lesbians see the world, but I would imagine they have similar love/hate relationships with the straight people of both genders.
Now, none of this is present when it comes to interactions between gays and lesbians. No common attraction (either way). No competition.
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
I mean, gay men obviously interact with straight men, either as victims of homophobia, or originators of weird bromances or secret fantasies. They interact with straight women, either through the internalised mysogony or the fag hag mechanism.
There are more ways than this to interact with other gender-orientations. :scots:
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 03:52:46 PM
So you're okay with female to male transsexuals?
I'm not sure if there would be anything more horrifying than if I went down on a dude and he had a vagina.
Wouldn't you notice before the deed was done? :huh:
Quote from: Malthus on March 09, 2010, 04:33:04 PM
Wouldn't you notice before the deed was done? :huh:
I meant the physical act of going downwards. :P
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 09, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Yeah, pairing up with lesbians for insemination, for one. Only you folks hate each other, apparently, making the parenting a tad awkward.
Do I sense a future sitcom plot? ;)
Why does it have to be his biological child? :hmm:
Well, that's one way. One could adopt, too, or even have a child by a hetero woman who was willing.
Just seems an elegant solution - dykes need sperm and gays need wombs for bio-babies; why, they could cooperate together! Then, they's have something in common. ;)
Quote from: Malthus on March 09, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Well, that's one way. One could adopt, too, or even have a child by a hetero woman who was willing.
Just seems an elegant solution - dykes need sperm and gays need wombs for bio-babies; why, they could cooperate together! Then, they's have something in common. ;)
:x
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
I mean, gay men obviously interact with straight men, either as victims of homophobia, or originators of weird bromances or secret fantasies. They interact with straight women, either through the internalised mysogony or the fag hag mechanism.
There are more ways than this to interact with other gender-orientations. :scots:
There are more ways to act with people. Friendship is one that goes unmentioned, for example.
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 04:26:36 PM
I mean, gay men obviously interact with straight men, either as victims of homophobia, or originators of weird bromances or secret fantasies. They interact with straight women, either through the internalised mysogony or the fag hag mechanism.
There are more ways than this to interact with other gender-orientations. :scots:
They are sexual orientations, not gender orientations. I am not attracted to someone because he wears trousers or considers himself a man - I am attracted because he exudes male pheromones. Not every time replacing "sex" with "gender" makes you look more sophisticated. Sometimes it just makes you wrong. :P
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
That's what bisexuality is. :contract:
I've read some studies that imply otherwise about women.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 10, 2010, 02:08:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 08, 2010, 05:18:17 PM
That's what bisexuality is. :contract:
I've read some studies that imply otherwise about women.
I don't think Penthouse is an appropriate source. :contract:
Or "Bisexual Cum Sluts Gone Wild VI", for that matter, is a research-based documentary. :P
At least not up to the same rigorous standards of scientific research as "Barracks and Locker Rooms: Straight Studs Go Gay III", in any case.
Quote from: Martinus on March 10, 2010, 02:02:01 AM
They are sexual orientations, not gender orientations. I am not attracted to someone because he wears trousers or considers himself a man - I am attracted because he exudes male pheromones. Not every time replacing "sex" with "gender" makes you look more sophisticated. Sometimes it just makes you wrong. :P
The dash was intentional. I was trying to connote the many combinations of gender and sexual orientation. -_-
"Gender" is for pronouns.
Quote from: Martinus on March 09, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 09, 2010, 02:17:49 PM
Quote from: Jacob on March 09, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
I believe it is to denote that the organization in question is welcoming to people who're figuring out their shit, as opposed to being hostile to people who don't identify with one particular rigid spot on the spectrum.
Except that every letter represents a group of people which is generally hostile to the other groups. -_-
G and L dislike each other (and the only reason they don't actually hate each other is that they only meet once a year, at the pride). Both groups hate B. And everybody thinks T are freaks. -_-
Really? welcome to the 1990's. I don't see that in Vancouver so much. Nobody gives a shit really.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 10, 2010, 12:48:18 PM
Really? welcome to the 1990's. I don't see that in Vancouver so much. Nobody gives a shit really.
It's the case here in SF. There are few lesbians in the Castro.
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2010, 12:50:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 10, 2010, 12:48:18 PM
Really? welcome to the 1990's. I don't see that in Vancouver so much. Nobody gives a shit really.
It's the case here in SF. There are few lesbians in the Castro.
used to be the opposite in my hood, all dykes... but even the guppie males are feeling the various economic crises and this slightly cheaper to live area is getting faggily expensive.
I may have overstated the love between the various groups, but I think overall the queer community here works pretty well together when they need to. Lots of people in Van also use queer instead of the other labels. Personally the now secondary meaning of "queer" (weird, oddball) is more useful as a descriptor for me personally, than the now secondary meaning of "gay" (happy), so I prefer it. Old fags still cringe at "queer", yet take "fag" in stride... I guess queer has only been reclaimed by ivory tower types? (like me? :p)