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Title: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Sheilbh on December 23, 2009, 10:14:16 AM
What should a good Christmas dinner have in your opinion/family traditions?  I'm curious especially to see international ones.  Pedrito seems like a man who enjoys his food so what's an Italian gourmand's Christmas look like, for example.

For me:
Roast bird turkey/goose
Roast ham
Roast potatoes
Roast sweet potatoes
Roast parsnips
Roast squash
Mashed potatoes
Mashed carrots and turnip
Sprouts (ideally with butter and bacon)
Stuffing
Pigs in blankets
Cranberry sauce
Bread sauce
Two gravies

I don't really care about dessert but I do love Christmas pudding and brandy cream :mmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Brazen on December 23, 2009, 10:16:42 AM
I did buy pork loin to roast, but my consultant chef deemed it insufficiently Christmassy so he cooked it last night. Turned out to be pretty much the best roast dinner I've ever had, so I wish I'd saved it  :(

Going for a leg of lamb with roasties, cabbage and carrots instead.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Josephus on December 23, 2009, 10:24:46 AM
We've Canadianized ourselves over the years, so turkey and all the trimmings including that nasty cranberry sauce.

My mother, though, as an appetizer, cooks up a Sicilian/Maltese dish called Timpana, which is a baked macaroni pie. Alas, this wonderful meal will die with her, as none of my sisters can be arsed.

http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=26959
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Brazen on December 23, 2009, 10:28:39 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 23, 2009, 10:24:46 AM
We've Canadianized ourselves over the years, so turkey and all the trimmings including that nasty cranberry sauce.

My mother, though, as an appetizer, cooks up a Sicilian/Maltese dish called Timpana, which is a baked macaroni pie. Alas, this wonderful meal will die with her, as none of my sisters can be arsed.

http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=26959
Interetsing, that's very similar to the Greek dish Pastitio (which must have the greatest calorie density of any pasta dish on earth).
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Grey Fox on December 23, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
Let's see my dad is making a full fledged Traditional dinner with turkey, tourtiere,  ragout & that marvelous cranberry sauce.

My girlfriend's parent are going crazy & making Americanized Chinese.

My aunt is making her traditional dinner with turkey, tourtiere, coleslaw & boiled potatoes. Oh & that marvelous cranberry sauce.

I love me a good christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Ed Anger on December 23, 2009, 10:33:33 AM
Ham
Mashed Potatoes
Mac n' Cheese (and not that shit from a box)
Dumplings
Some sort of vegetable like Green Beans that I won't eat
Dinner rolls
Deviled eggs

Various pies (pecan, apple, pumpkin, cherry)
Banana pudding
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 10:39:18 AM
In Poland, in my part of the country,  the biggest meal of Christmas is normally the Christmas eve's dinner, not the Christmas one (the latter is also practiced, and usually involves some kind of poultry, but is not as "iconic"). There is a number of cool traditions/customs associated with the Christmas Eve's Dinner, that are not purely religious (i.e. they are usually practiced even by non-religious people, like my family, even though some of them clearly have roots in Christianity).

They ones we follow in my family (I suppose they differ from a region to a region, and often from a house to a house, since people get around a lot and bring their customs with them):

- The table should always include one extra plate/cutlery set than the number of invited guests. This is for the "stranger" - representing either an unexpected guest who may come by, or, collectively, dead relatives or the like.

- There should be a handful of hay under the table cloth - this represents the manger in which Jesus was born. There is an "augury" associated with that, which involves people drawing straws - whoever gets the longest straw, will live the longest. Most supermarket chains these days sell special "Christmas hay".

- The dinner should not start before the first star becomes visible in the sky (obviously, this is less observed when the sky is overcast :P) - obviously, a reference to the Bethlehem star.

- The first part of the dinner is the sharing of the Christmas wafer. This is like a communion wafer, only baked in larger rectangular shapes and usually "embossed" with some Christmas-related scenes, like nativity or the Christmas tree or something. I think the church used to control their production but now since people don't care anymore whether it is "blessed" or not, you can get them from supermarkets too. Family members share it between themselves, while wishing each other all the best etc. in the coming year.

- The dinner should have 12 dishes (since we don't want to overeat - and there are only 4 of us - my parents, my aunt and myself, we cheat by counting stuff like side salads or potatoes as separate "dishes" :P) to represent 12 months, 12 Apostles and generally all other stuff that counts in twelves).

The "must have" dishes include (again this is my family's traditions - I know people replace beet root soup with mushroom soup in other parts of the country etc.):

- clear beetroot soup (called borscht, but it is quite different than the Russian/Ukrainian soup, not having cream in it for starters) with small pierogi (similar to ravioli, if you are familiar with Italian cuisine, only stuffed with mushrooms and sauerkraut filling),
- carp (for some reason carp is the Polish fish of choice when it comes to Christmas) - the must have is the pan-fried or roasted carp, but usually you also get gefilte fish and the "Jewish style carp" (which is cold carp in gelatine, with vegetables, almonds and raisins),
- some kind of desert involving poppy seed (either poppy seed cake or a sort of poppy-seed-and-honey based "Turkish delight" style mix),
- fruit compote (usually made from dried prunes).

It is also customary to get all kinds of other fish, like salmon (smoked and/or fried), trout, herring (usually salted, in a herring salad) etc.

After the dinner presents are distributed (they have been previously placed under the Christmas tree - no stockings here). When I was a kid we used to sing carols sometimes, but we don't bother anymore.

At midnight, animals (including family pets) are supposed to talk with human voice. Never happened. I blame poppy seed and eggnog. :P
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Monoriu on December 23, 2009, 10:47:53 AM
I believe in the contrarian approach.  When it is Christmas time, I have Chinese.  When it is Chinese new year, I have western food, or Indian.  When it is Valentine's day, we cook at home.  This way, we avoid the overpriced stuff.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 23, 2009, 11:05:41 AM
On a related note, I've decided that I want a Christmas pudding this year.  Which means I'm going to have to make the damn thing myself and won't be able to age it properly.  :mad:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: The Larch on December 23, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
I don't know if my aunt will make something special, but our big Christmas eve dinner menu, for the 10 of us (My two grandmothers, my uncles, my two cousins from my father's side of the family, my parents, my brother and me) that gather for the occasion, is usually consisting in:

- Appetizers: Home made seafood paté, Iberian cold cuts, cheese and as much seafood as they can cram in the table, mostly scampi.
- Main dish of roasted lamb and/or stuffed veal.
- Turrón as far as the eye can see.

Wine for the dinner and champagne for toasting afterwards. Christmas day lunch will be a similar combination.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Brazen on December 23, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
Oh man, this thread has just reminded me I have to find an Italian deli to get Dad some panforte  :bleeding:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 23, 2009, 11:42:38 AM
Friends are having a x-mas dinner tonight of Prime Rib. As for actual 25th, no idea what i'll make, maybe some carnitas, maybe a ham and Mac&Cheese.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Sheilbh on December 23, 2009, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 23, 2009, 10:24:46 AM
My mother, though, as an appetizer, cooks up a Sicilian/Maltese dish called Timpana, which is a baked macaroni pie. Alas, this wonderful meal will die with her, as none of my sisters can be arsed.
I make a lovely sweet-savoury sausage timpana :)
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Last night was pyrogy-making night.  Or rather, it was my wife's pyrogy making night - I made supper (hamburgers) and helped clean up.

For Christmas Day we'll be having turkey and stuffing, mashed potatoes, corn, caesar salad (:blink:) and pie.  I'll probably be making the turkey.

My tourtiere on Christmas Eve was nixed - our roommate wanted to make her 'traditional' Christmas Eve dinner.  It turns out she's making lasagna. :blink: WTF - she's Ojibway, and her traditional Christmas Eve dinner is lasagna?

I offered to make holoptsi, another Barrister Christmas fave, but everyone else said 'no thanks'. :cry:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Syt on December 23, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
My family has a tradition of stuffed turkey (usual stuffing: 50% toast bread mixed with beef broth, 50% bratwurst filler), with potatoes, red cabbage (with wine and apples) and gravy.

The friends' family I spend christmas with tomorrow have a cheese fondue tradition.

Goose is the "classical" christmas dinner in Germany and Austria, though you'll find many families who deviate from that.

Christmas Eve is the central date for Christmas in Germany/Austria, when people get together for nice dinner, presents are exchanged (or St. Nick pays a visit in non-Austria) and just spend a pleasant time together.

First and Second Christmas days (25th/26th) are usually for visiting other parts of the family for a somewhat fancy lunch (good roast or whatever is that person's specialty, usually traditional German/Austrian dishes, so no lasagna, for example).

Me, I tried making a vindaloo for myself last year for 25th - it failed spectacularly. I followed the recipe to the letter, but though the recipe warned that the result would be "hot and spicy" it was rather bland and mild. I'll go with a ready made paste from an Indian supermarket down the street this year. :P

On the 25th and in the evening I'll probably go out with friends.

The good thing about christmas this year: 4 day weekend. The bad thing about christmas this year: 4 day weekend.

The 24th is a half working day (though our company gives us the whole day off), meaning most shops/supermarkets close at 2 pm. 25th and 26th are like sundays (and the 27th is an actual sunday), meaning all shops and supermarkets and just about everything else is closed in Germany and Austria (with the exception of e.g. supermarkets at large railway stations, two of which I have fortunately nearby in case I forgot anything).
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 23, 2009, 12:22:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
My tourtiere on Christmas Eve was nixed - our roommate wanted to make her 'traditional' Christmas Eve dinner.  It turns out she's making lasagna. :blink: WTF - she's Ojibway, and her traditional Christmas Eve dinner is lasagna?
LOL does she say: "How, ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh" ???
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Grey Fox on December 23, 2009, 12:37:46 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Last night was pyrogy-making night.  Or rather, it was my wife's pyrogy making night - I made supper (hamburgers) and helped clean up.

For Christmas Day we'll be having turkey and stuffing, mashed potatoes, corn, caesar salad (:blink:) and pie.  I'll probably be making the turkey.

My tourtiere on Christmas Eve was nixed - our roommate wanted to make her 'traditional' Christmas Eve dinner.  It turns out she's making lasagna. :blink: WTF - she's Ojibway, and her traditional Christmas Eve dinner is lasagna?

I offered to make holoptsi, another Barrister Christmas fave, but everyone else said 'no thanks'. :cry:

Uh, Lasagna? WTF is that shit. Throw her out.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 23, 2009, 12:38:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Last night was pyrogy-making night.  Or rather, it was my wife's pyrogy making night - I made supper (hamburgers) and helped clean up.

For Christmas Day we'll be having turkey and stuffing, mashed potatoes, corn, caesar salad (:blink:) and pie.  I'll probably be making the turkey.



Set the table for 5th person, i'm headed east!
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Grey Fox on December 23, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
btw, what's holopsti?
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:39:37 PM
Also, I will probably celebrate tomorrow with a Discordian Christmas Breakfast involving beef and pork. (Polish catholics fast on Christmas eve, so this is a fuck-you to Catholic, Muslims, Jews, Hindus and vegetarian Buddhists). :P
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Grey Fox on December 23, 2009, 12:40:45 PM
What sort of beef? In sausages?
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 23, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
btw, what's holopsti?

Ukrainian cabbage rolls.  No idea how to spell it though, only ever heard it spoken.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:45:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 23, 2009, 12:38:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Last night was pyrogy-making night.  Or rather, it was my wife's pyrogy making night - I made supper (hamburgers) and helped clean up.

For Christmas Day we'll be having turkey and stuffing, mashed potatoes, corn, caesar salad (:blink:) and pie.  I'll probably be making the turkey.



Set the table for 5th person, i'm headed east!

Tracy's pyrogies are worth the drive. :wub:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 23, 2009, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

:nelson:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

:hug:

It sounds quite similar to a traditional Ukrainian Christmas.  I once dated a girl who had immigrated from Ukraine, and went over to her parents place for a traditional 12 meatless dishes.  Lots of fish of course.  The one thing that sticks out to me was the kutya (sp?), the sweet grain dish.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 23, 2009, 12:49:40 PM
Sorry Marti, we forgot Poland.  :(
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Josephus on December 23, 2009, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

We're not talking to you until you  put back the Arbeit Macht Frei sign. :mad:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

:hug:

It sounds quite similar to a traditional Ukrainian Christmas.  I once dated a girl who had immigrated from Ukraine, and went over to her parents place for a traditional 12 meatless dishes.  Lots of fish of course.  The one thing that sticks out to me was the kutya (sp?), the sweet grain dish.

In Poland kutya means the honey-and-poppy dish I mentioned. :)
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on December 23, 2009, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

We're not talking to you until you  put back the Arbeit Mach Frei sign. :mad:

Today's headlines: "Auschwitz guards replaced following the theft". :bleeding:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 23, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:53:42 PM
Today's headlines: "Auschwitz guards replaced following the theft". :bleeding:
To the gas chambers with them!  :mad:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

:hug:

It sounds quite similar to a traditional Ukrainian Christmas.  I once dated a girl who had immigrated from Ukraine, and went over to her parents place for a traditional 12 meatless dishes.  Lots of fish of course.  The one thing that sticks out to me was the kutya (sp?), the sweet grain dish.

In Poland kutya means the honey-and-poppy dish I mentioned. :)

Ah, thanks.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:53:42 PM
Quote from: Josephus on December 23, 2009, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

We're not talking to you until you  put back the Arbeit Mach Frei sign. :mad:

Today's headlines: "Auschwitz guards replaced following the theft". :bleeding:

That's got to be awkward when introducing yourself socially.

Q. So what line of work are you in?
A. Well, you see, I'm a guard at Aushwitz...
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: frunk on December 23, 2009, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

Our family's celebration follows many of the same traditions, from my Mom's (Polish) side.  The mandatory dishes are:

Mushroom Soup (no beet thank goodness)
Apples and Rice (taken from my Dad's side)
Prunes and Barley
Pierogi
Spanakopita (more recent addition, pilfered from my brother in law's family)
Cod Fish Balls (ethnic New England combined with the need for fish and my brother's distaste of most forms)
Holiday Cookies

Usually there's some other random other dishes thrown in.  Afterwards we sing a few Christmas carols before opening presents. 
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 23, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
All you borscht haters can go straight to hell.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 23, 2009, 01:31:25 PM
I have not inqured into the entire menu but know that it will include a Honey Baked Ham (tr), and almost certainly green bean casserole, rolls, smashed pertaters, gravy, salad.  Pies for dessert, don't know the specifics.

I went with my brother to pick up the Honey Baked yesterday after Avatar.  There was a cop there because they do so much Christmas business and have mounds of cash sitting around.

Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Sheilbh on December 23, 2009, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(
I found it interesting :)
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Savonarola on December 23, 2009, 02:03:40 PM
Christmas Eve Dinner this year is:

Onion Soup

Barbequed Turkey Breast, rubbed with maple sugar, basted with maple syrup and smoked over maple chips.  (It's as Canadian a turkey as possible, given the circumstances.)
Stuffing with sage and dried blueberries
Baked Cabbage
Temparillo Wine

Pears
St. Andre Cheese
Champagne

The wop version of Turrón

Plum Brandy
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: syk on December 23, 2009, 02:34:36 PM
Grünkohl mit Kassler und Bregenwurst!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bregenwurst

And potatoes, it's a German meal after all.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hotel-onkel-toms-huette.homepage.t-online.de%2Fmediac%2F400_0%2Fmedia%2F2f4e5be23fb8d8bffff800eac14421f.jpg&hash=2e5e379233c454c8e5a55db7069c5a19c70a59a4)

Probably some dry red wine with that.

Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Syt on December 23, 2009, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: syk on December 23, 2009, 02:34:36 PM
Grünkohl mit Kassler und Bregenwurst!

God, I miss Grünkohl so much. With sweet potatoes, Kassler and Schweinebacke. Plus mustard. Plus Beer and Korn. Austrian cuisine has me very happy, but this is about the only thing that's really missing (found Zwiebelmett in the meantime, though packaged), and Tafelspitz is just not the same. :cry:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: syk on December 23, 2009, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 23, 2009, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: syk on December 23, 2009, 02:34:36 PM
Grünkohl mit Kassler und Bregenwurst!

God, I miss Grünkohl so much. With sweet potatoes, Kassler and Schweinebacke. Plus mustard. Plus Beer and Korn. Austrian cuisine has me very happy, but this is about the only thing that's really missing (found Zwiebelmett in the meantime, though packaged), and Tafelspitz is just not the same. :cry:
:hug:
I can sooo understand that. Everybody else will be put off by the green mess I bet.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 23, 2009, 02:44:51 PM
What's the thing that looks like a big slab of fat?
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 23, 2009, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(
I found it interesting :)

What's interesting is that a lot of the dishes (especially the fish ones) also feature quite strongly in the Jewish cuisine.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 23, 2009, 02:50:52 PM
Ok, so I just went back and read your post, Marti.  The entire nation of Poland suffers from OCD, I take it?  That's just super. :)
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: syk on December 23, 2009, 02:53:46 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 23, 2009, 02:44:51 PM
What's the thing that looks like a big slab of fat?
Big slab of fat, probably Bauchfleisch (pork belly). Ignore it. Kassler, the stuff we're eating is the piece of meat in the back.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: The Larch on December 23, 2009, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 23, 2009, 12:45:16 PM
Btw, I worked my ass off writing up that shit on Polish traditions and noone even commented. :(

I liked the hay thingie. :) The empty spot for the stranger seems kinda SOIAF-ish as well.  :lol:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Iormlund on December 23, 2009, 03:11:55 PM
We don't do Xmas. As for reunions, my parents long ago learned that Xmas and New Year's are bad days for family gatherings, since their offspring is (hopefully) tired after a night of debauchery. We postpone such occasions to the 26th and 2nd respectively.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Sheilbh on December 23, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 23, 2009, 02:59:14 PM
I liked the hay thingie. :) The empty spot for the stranger seems kinda SOIAF-ish as well.  :lol:
The empty spot seems really Jewish too.  I think at Passover you leave an empty seat.  I agree with Marti the Jewishness of it all interests and surprises me.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Syt on December 24, 2009, 01:09:33 AM
Minbari also keep an empty seat at the table for Valen. :yes: :nerd:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on December 24, 2009, 01:47:12 AM
The percentage of people who were Jews in old Poland was very high, 20% or even more, many of them arriving from more developed parts of Europe (as the number of safe havens diminished). So it may be that their cultural influence on Polish society was greater than we imagine nowadays.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 02:54:13 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 24, 2009, 01:47:12 AM
The percentage of people who were Jews in old Poland was very high, 20% or even more, many of them arriving from more developed parts of Europe (as the number of safe havens diminished). So it may be that their cultural influence on Polish society was greater than we imagine nowadays.

Oh, it depends what you mean by "we" because "we" (in Poland) actually are quite conscious and recognize this influence. Jews have been settling in Poland since at least the 14th century where edicts guaranteed their freedom of worship and at least until the counterreformation "de-naissance" of the late 17th/early 18th century the cultural exchange was pretty big. :)

The "Christmas wafer" thingie also seems a lot like the Passover bread, for example.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: citizen k on December 24, 2009, 02:55:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 02:54:13 AM
The "Christmas wafer" thingie also seems a lot like the Passover bread, for example.

That would be its antecedent, yes.

Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 02:59:13 AM
During Easter we have a similar tradition as the Christmas wafer one, but we use an egg to share instead. What's interesting (or creepy, depending on your PoV), in many places/houses people actually take a piece of the Christmas wafer/Easter egg (respectively) and leave it on graves of relatives. Often parts are also given to family pets and the like.

In fact, pretty much every holiday has an optional element where you would take some of the food or whatnot involved, and take it to leave on the graves, lighting a candle as you do. Not to mention the All-Hallows and Souls Day celebrations, which are pretty creepy too. :P

It's all wonderfully pagan.  :cool:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 07:12:57 AM
I don't do a Christmas dinner anymore - as stated in another thread - but when I was growing up our dinners consisted of:

Ham
Turkey
Hot & Sweet Tamales* (made over the course of a weekend earlier in the month then frozen)
Beans & Rice
Mac & Cheese (homemade, of course)
Stuffing
Enchilades (if Dad could be arsed to make them)
Various kinds of veggies (never the same)
Corn bread muffins
Homemade tortillas

We always had it Christmas Eve when everyone got together to celebrate. It was buffet-style since there were so many of us, and we usually exchanged gifts once everyone had eaten their fill. After presents and cleaning up, the ladies of the house would gather in the kitchen to drink a shot of tequila to usher in Christmas, then they'd pack up the kids and whichever men were willing and head out to midnight mass. (The church was 1/2 a block away, so we walked.)

*Pork and Sweet tamales are two different kinds. We made spicy hot pork tamales as well as raisin and brown sugar tamales. I think the sweet kind were something my elder two sisters made up one year, but I'm not positive on that. I was too young when they started making them to know for sure, but I've never seen them anywhere but at our house.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Slargos on December 24, 2009, 07:51:57 AM
Since there are so many dishes, I think a picture does the julbord more justice.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fc%2Fc1%2FJulbord.jpg&hash=21538b3e798f3621dc53f62519dfe6fea18f48b8)

And I can spot a lot of ingredients missing there.

When I grew up, we would always have more or less the complete setup, as my father loves to cook and mainly eat, but nowadays it's seldom so grandiose. The bill for groceries around christmas would routinely land somewhere between $1500-2000 and we would be eating leftovers all through january.

I'm going over to my brother's for christmas dinner, and between his wife who's a bit on the cost conscious type and my brother who like me considers it "too much like work" it's going to be traditional-lite, I think.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 07:12:57 AM
Hot & Sweet Tamales* (made over the course of a weekend earlier in the month then frozen)
:mmm:

I'd so perfer tamales for Christmas dinner over another dryass turkey.  :(
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Ed Anger on December 24, 2009, 08:58:12 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 07:12:57 AM
Hot & Sweet Tamales* (made over the course of a weekend earlier in the month then frozen)
:mmm:

I'd so perfer tamales for Christmas dinner over another dryass turkey.  :(

Don't fix a turkey then.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
I ain't making the dinner.  We're having it at my sister in law's place.  I fear someone is going to inflict turkey on me, just not sure who exactly.  We are bringing a: Waldorf salad.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Ed Anger on December 24, 2009, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
  I fear someone is going to inflict turkey on me, just not sure who exactly.

WATCH OUT, THEY HAVE A LEG!

Just remember, you could have been like me in 1999 and be having a Swanson TV dinner for Christmas.  -_-
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:15:47 AM
One of my friends recently broke up with his fiancee and she threw him out, and he moved from Lexington back to Columbus and is a swinging bachelor again.  I chatted with him after Thanksgiving and he told me he had a turkey sandwich with his cat for Thanksgiving dinner.

I guess I was supposed to feel bad for him, but I didn't really. I must be dead inside.  :huh:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: DontSayBanana on December 24, 2009, 09:16:06 AM
Quote from: Brazen on December 23, 2009, 10:28:39 AM
Interetsing, that's very similar to the Greek dish Pastitio (which must have the greatest calorie density of any pasta dish on earth).

Yet is so incredibly delicious (had some on Monday; my sister chose a Greek restaurant for her birthday).

When I'm with my family, we try hard not to do the same thing twice.  This year, I'm doing Christmas dinner with S' family, so it's the usual:

Turkey
Stuffing
Relish tray
Potatoes
Rolls
Etc.

The family there is a little overly-entrenched in "tradition" so holiday meals always consist of either turkey or ham and the usual trappings.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:17:18 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 24, 2009, 09:16:06 AM
The family there is a little overly-entrenched in "tradition" so holiday meals always consist of either turkey or ham and the usual trappings.
:yes: Same here. :bleeding:

What saves it for me is Princesca's (Southern) family is made up of women who are universally awesome cooks.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Zanza on December 24, 2009, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: syk on December 23, 2009, 02:34:36 PM
Grünkohl mit Kassler und Bregenwurst!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kassler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bregenwurst

And potatoes, it's a German meal after all.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hotel-onkel-toms-huette.homepage.t-online.de%2Fmediac%2F400_0%2Fmedia%2F2f4e5be23fb8d8bffff800eac14421f.jpg&hash=2e5e379233c454c8e5a55db7069c5a19c70a59a4)
:mmm: We had that yesterday.

Our christmas dinner - raclette - is not traditional at all, but we did it a couple of times in the family so far because it allows for nice conversation.

Probably some dry red wine with that.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:19:23 AM
My Swiss arms dealer is planning on having us over for raclette sometime in the next couple of months. :mmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 09:24:27 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 07:12:57 AM
Hot & Sweet Tamales* (made over the course of a weekend earlier in the month then frozen)
:mmm:

I'd so perfer tamales for Christmas dinner over another dryass turkey.  :(

We had both. -_-

And I will say this: making tamales is a bitch. Mom is bringing me a few this year when she visits, but no one in the family actually made them. Instead, they bought them from a little Mexican lady who makes them at home and then sells them to the lazy masses.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Ed Anger on December 24, 2009, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:15:47 AM
he had a turkey sandwich with his cat for Thanksgiving dinner.


Sounds familiar.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 24, 2009, 10:59:47 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 24, 2009, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
  I fear someone is going to inflict turkey on me, just not sure who exactly.

WATCH OUT, THEY HAVE A LEG!

Just remember, you could have been like me in 1999 and be having a Swanson TV dinner for Christmas.  -_-

ooooh maybe i'll go out for Chinese.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 24, 2009, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 09:24:27 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 07:55:33 AM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 07:12:57 AM
Hot & Sweet Tamales* (made over the course of a weekend earlier in the month then frozen)
:mmm:

I'd so perfer tamales for Christmas dinner over another dryass turkey.  :(

We had both. -_-

And I will say this: making tamales is a bitch. Mom is bringing me a few this year when she visits, but no one in the family actually made them. Instead, they bought them from a little Mexican lady who makes them at home and then sells them to the lazy masses.

Pfft, not any worse than making stuffing or a turkey. :P
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: syk on December 24, 2009, 11:31:55 AM
As everything of christmas importance happens on christmas eve here, we just had said Grünkohl. I am in: food-sedation. *burp*
Also Santa Claus aka der Weihnachtsmann came by and brought presents for the kids.  :uffda:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 11:00:23 AM

Pfft, not any worse than making stuffing or a turkey. :P

Then you make some seriously intricate turkey and stuffing.  <_<

Last time I made tamales, it took several hours. Granted, I made 10 dozen, but still...
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Ed Anger on December 24, 2009, 12:15:08 PM
I JUST HAD ARBYS. 5 for 5.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 24, 2009, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 11:00:23 AM

Pfft, not any worse than making stuffing or a turkey. :P

Then you make some seriously intricate turkey and stuffing.  <_<

Last time I made tamales, it took several hours. Granted, I made 10 dozen, but still...

Pinche Gringos :rolleyes:


:P
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Grey Fox on December 24, 2009, 12:20:44 PM
I'm making Kraft Dinner.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 24, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 11:00:23 AM

Pfft, not any worse than making stuffing or a turkey. :P

Then you make some seriously intricate turkey and stuffing.  <_<

Last time I made tamales, it took several hours. Granted, I made 10 dozen, but still...

In the final analysis my wife spent 5 hours making seventeen dozen pyrogies.  We all told her she was crazy, since we're now already trying to give them away.  They freeze pretty well, but still - that's over 200 pyrogies.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 24, 2009, 12:37:29 PM
My extended family has been going out to eat in recent years.  Went to some steak place (Old San Francisco Steakhouse...hadn't been there in a long time, actually) last night with 34 other people, half of them total strangers at another table, and had a ribeye.  The immediate family is going to have a more traditional dinner on Friday with turkey and all that.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Josephus on December 24, 2009, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: citizen k on December 24, 2009, 02:55:57 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 02:54:13 AM
The "Christmas wafer" thingie also seems a lot like the Passover bread, for example.

That would be its antecedent, yes.

Though it's got nothing to do with Jews in poland.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 01:21:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 24, 2009, 12:15:08 PM
I JUST HAD ARBYS.
:mmm:

The other day I had their pecan chicken salad sandwich.  It was alright, but the significance of it was that I've now had every single thing on Arby's menu at least once.  :cool:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 03:08:56 PM
So... I'm back from the family dinner. Now getting drunk on advocaat (it's like eggnog, only without milk, but made with egg yolk, sugar and brandy) and about to start watching a Harry Potter movie. :P

Tomorrow I'm going back for a roasted guineafowl. :mmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 24, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 11:00:23 AM

Pfft, not any worse than making stuffing or a turkey. :P

Then you make some seriously intricate turkey and stuffing.  <_<

Last time I made tamales, it took several hours. Granted, I made 10 dozen, but still...

In the final analysis my wife spent 5 hours making seventeen dozen pyrogies.  We all told her she was crazy, since we're now already trying to give them away.  They freeze pretty well, but still - that's over 200 pyrogies.
"Pyrogie" is already plural. :contract:

Saying "pyrogies" is like saying "childrens".
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
When I was a kid growing up we had them in Philly but spelled it "pierogis".
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Mr.Penguin on December 24, 2009, 03:29:28 PM
Glædelig Jul to you all, yes here in Denmark do we celebrate Christmas on Dec. 24, so here is my report on a traditional danish Christmas dinner...

Pork roasts with crisp rinds.
Boiled potatoes.
Small caramelized potatoes.
Red cabbage.
and lots of brown gravy.

for dessert, "Ris a la mande", a kind of rice pudding with chopped almonds and hot cherry sauce.

all served with a nice dry red wine...
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
When I was a kid growing up we had them in Philly but spelled it "pierogis".

That's Polish spelling (I suspect BB's spelling is Ukrainian) but the same mistake - "pierogi" is already plural (the singular is "pierog")
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 24, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
I'll be doing some more grilling in the snow, but I'm not sure what yet. The grilled turkey breast with herb butter on Thanksgiving was awesome. Maybe I'll check out those BBQ guys on youtube for some inspiration.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: stjaba on December 24, 2009, 11:33:22 PM
Christmas Eve Dinner- Latino style:

Pork mole
Yellow Rice
Black Beans
Platanos Maduros(Sweet plantains)
Yuca

Dessert was Italian: gelato.  :D
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Faeelin on December 24, 2009, 11:36:45 PM
Lasagna for Christmas Eve, with bacon and eggs for breakfast tomorrow then ham and the trimmings for dinner.  I feel fat.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Syt on December 24, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
Fondue was good. :)


@Marty: advocaat is good, but one year a neighbour of my sister's made it herself .... deee-lish. :mmm: (and very potent)
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 25, 2009, 12:48:29 AM
I had a slice of chocolate cake for breakfast. :mmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Josquius on December 25, 2009, 06:49:58 AM
Always the standard turkey and all that fare. With those nice sausages wrapped in bacon and all the usual. And bad white wine.
I've never had goose (ever ever) or a 'ham' in the sense of a big pig (have had ham/pork otherwise of course) especially on christmas.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 25, 2009, 07:01:33 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
That's Polish spelling (I suspect BB's spelling is Ukrainian) but the same mistake - "pierogi" is already plural (the singular is "pierog")
Yeah, wasn't saying it was right, just reporting on how it was spelled/said in Philly (which has a large Polish-American population).  We do that same thing with Italian food all the time (i.e. unnecessary plural).
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Caliga on December 25, 2009, 07:02:24 AM
Quote from: stjaba on December 24, 2009, 11:33:22 PM
Christmas Eve Dinner- Latino style:

Pork mole
Yellow Rice
Black Beans
Platanos Maduros(Sweet plantains)
Yuca

Dessert was Italian: gelato.  :D
:mmm:

Can I convert to Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican somehow?
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 25, 2009, 08:13:15 AM
Sounds good except for the black beans jaba. :x


:P
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 25, 2009, 08:29:02 AM
Quote from: Caliga on December 25, 2009, 07:02:24 AM
Can I convert to Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican somehow?

You could just go to a Mexican restaurant...
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 25, 2009, 08:44:42 AM
My Christmas meal. Two hotdogs with mustard, each on a slice of ham inside a slice of raisin bread. A really big apple and a cup of orange juice. Aren't I talented!  :lol:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 25, 2009, 08:57:19 AM
Quote from: The Larch on December 23, 2009, 11:32:25 AM
I don't know if my aunt will make something special, but our big Christmas eve dinner menu, for the 10 of us (My two grandmothers, my uncles, my two cousins from my father's side of the family, my parents, my brother and me) that gather for the occasion, is usually consisting in:

- Appetizers: Home made seafood paté, Iberian cold cuts, cheese and as much seafood as they can cram in the table, mostly scampi.
- Main dish of roasted lamb and/or stuffed veal.
- Turrón as far as the eye can see.

Wine for the dinner and champagne for toasting afterwards. Christmas day lunch will be a similar combination.

Polvo à galega ? :D
Rabanadas a.k.a French toast/Pain perdu
Bûche (it's France after all)
Port, Bordeaux and Champagne of course
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Sheilbh on December 25, 2009, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 25, 2009, 08:57:19 AM
Rabanadas a.k.a French toast/Pain perdu
:mmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:00:26 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 25, 2009, 08:44:42 AM
My Christmas meal. Two hotdogs with mustard, each on a slice of ham inside a slice of raisin bread. A really big apple and a cup of orange juice. Aren't I talented!  :lol:

Okay we get it, you really are English with making such a disgusting sounding meal.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Sheilbh on December 25, 2009, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:00:26 AM
Okay we get it, you really are English with making such a disgusting sounding meal.
I draw your attention to my list of traditional English Christmas dinner.  It's delish.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 25, 2009, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 25, 2009, 08:59:14 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 25, 2009, 08:57:19 AM
Rabanadas a.k.a French toast/Pain perdu
:mmm:

Eurostar not operating today, otherwise you could have dropped by to get the last ones  :D
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 25, 2009, 09:01:24 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 25, 2009, 09:00:26 AM
Okay we get it, you really are English with making such a disgusting sounding meal.
I draw your attention to my list of traditional English Christmas dinner.  It's delish.

Pfft You're Irish living in England. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 25, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
I thought traditional Irish cuisine consisted of: boiled potatoes.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on December 25, 2009, 10:01:53 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 25, 2009, 09:57:07 AM
I thought traditional Irish cuisine consisted of: boiled potatoes.

Only in a good year  :huh:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Ed Anger on December 25, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
I am going to shit pig for a week. And pecans.
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Martinus on December 25, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Today I had:

- Roast fowl with almond stuffing, served in apples and oranges,
- Roast boar

:mmm:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 25, 2009, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 24, 2009, 12:21:42 PM
Quote from: merithyn on December 24, 2009, 12:12:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 11:00:23 AM

Pfft, not any worse than making stuffing or a turkey. :P

Then you make some seriously intricate turkey and stuffing.  <_<

Last time I made tamales, it took several hours. Granted, I made 10 dozen, but still...

In the final analysis my wife spent 5 hours making seventeen dozen pyrogies.  We all told her she was crazy, since we're now already trying to give them away.  They freeze pretty well, but still - that's over 200 pyrogies.
"Pyrogie" is already plural. :contract:

Saying "pyrogies" is like saying "childrens".

You've pointed that out to me before, but I keep telling you that the common usage in Canada is "pyrogies".  You would be correct if I were speaking in Ukrainian or Polish, but to us Ukrainian-Canadians that is how we say it. :Canuck:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Barrister on December 25, 2009, 04:19:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2009, 03:38:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on December 24, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
When I was a kid growing up we had them in Philly but spelled it "pierogis".

That's Polish spelling (I suspect BB's spelling is Ukrainian) but the same mistake - "pierogi" is already plural (the singular is "pierog")

As I believe I've mentioned before - the few Ukrainian food words I know I have no idea how to spell.  I've only ever heard them.   :lol:
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: The Larch on December 25, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on December 25, 2009, 08:57:19 AM
Polvo à galega ? :D

That was for today's lunch.  ;)
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 25, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
ham
stovetop stuffing
mashed potatoes
broccoli
croissant
pumpkin pie
Title: Re: Christmas Dinner
Post by: stjaba on December 25, 2009, 11:03:18 PM
Yesterday was latino food. Today, dinner with my dad was pure traditional American:

Turkey
Mashed Potatoes
Green beans
Sweet potato
Rolls
Cranberry

And dessert: Apple pie  :lol: