I would love to get some EU3 MP going. Playing EU2 MP was one of the most enjoyable things I've done in gaming. So let's try and finally succeed (or fail less spectacularly) at getting a Languish EU3 MP game going.
So, if you're interested, chime in. Also give some sense of your availability. If there is any particular scenario/set-up that you would like to try, feel free to make suggestions.
To get the ball rolling:
I'm pretty free now, but in early January I begin an important internship, and I'll likely only be available friday night or weekends.
I also mentioned in the EU3 thread that I think it would be pretty cool to get an MP game going with people playing the electors in the HRE.
I am interested and think the elector idea is a neat one, though have no idea how it'd work out in practice.
I'm generally free in the evenings on weekdays and free during the day every Wednesday. My availability on the weekends varies, but I could likely play early or late any day.
Reasons why I won't join
You guys play too early
Kleves is a racist a-hole
Habbuku is a papist a-hole!
I don't own EU3
But really good luck Kleves, hope you get a group together.
I'd play, dunno how well the whole electors thing will go.
I'm free till Sunday, then I wont have access to the computer until January 2nd. Unless you guys let me know and I'll bring it with when I go up north.
You slander me, katmai! I was raised papist as well. :contract:
Quote from: Kleves on December 15, 2009, 11:57:00 PM
You slander me, katmai! I was raised papist as well. :contract:
I knew there was a reason i liked ya.
And looking and seeing EU3 complete with In Nomine and Nap is only $29.99 :shifty:
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 12:01:25 AM
And looking and seeing EU3 complete with In Nomine and Nap is only $29.99 :shifty:
That's $26.49 too much. Amazon.com has it for $3.50.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 12:08:54 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 12:01:25 AM
And looking and seeing EU3 complete with In Nomine and Nap is only $29.99 :shifty:
That's $26.49 too much. Amazon.com has it for $3.50.
Heh thanks for the heads up.
For that price, I might have to break down and buy eu3 now...
Quote from: garbon on December 16, 2009, 12:13:08 AM
For that price, I might have to break down and buy eu3 now...
I Broke down and bought it for that price*
well with shipping it was $7.50
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
I Broke down and bought it for that price*
well with shipping it was $7.50
Hell even Amazon's 7.73 is decent.
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
well with shipping it was $7.50
:yes: That's what I bought it for. At that price, it's hard not to buy it. If I play it for five hours, I've gotten my money's worth.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 12:36:25 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 12:21:24 AM
well with shipping it was $7.50
:yes: That's what I bought it for. At that price, it's hard not to buy it. If I play it for five hours, I've gotten my money's worth.
Yep, if lucky i'll have it by this weekend, of course being the week before christmas, not holding my breath on it getting here in timely manner. :D
I won't play because my time zone is too different from yours. But if this gets off the ground, I expect an AAR!
It should arrive early next week, I suspect. Amazon is pretty good about their stuff arriving speedily. Of course, if you ordered from one of the Marketplace vendors, you're playing Roulette with the delivery time...
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 16, 2009, 12:40:34 AM
I won't play because my time zone is too different from yours. But if this gets off the ground, I expect an AAR!
:rolleyes: Time zone is a poor excuse. If you're actually interested, why wouldn't you at least see what time we'll be playing before categorically rejecting the idea?
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 12:41:43 AM
It should arrive early next week, I suspect. Amazon is pretty good about their stuff arriving speedily. Of course, if you ordered from one of the Marketplace vendors, you're playing Roulette with the delivery time...
:D
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 12:42:25 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 16, 2009, 12:40:34 AM
I won't play because my time zone is too different from yours. But if this gets off the ground, I expect an AAR!
:rolleyes: Time zone is a poor excuse. If you're actually interested, why wouldn't you at least see what time we'll be playing before categorically rejecting the idea?
Besides that is my excuse!
the old EU2 games were a pain at 8am alaska on Sunday morning :lol:
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 12:42:25 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 16, 2009, 12:40:34 AM
I won't play because my time zone is too different from yours. But if this gets off the ground, I expect an AAR!
:rolleyes: Time zone is a poor excuse. If you're actually interested, why wouldn't you at least see what time we'll be playing before categorically rejecting the idea?
Will you be playing between ~11pm - 9 am Saturday night/Sunday morning EST? Because that's the most convenient for me. I'm 14 hours ahead of the US East coast, so I'm usually awake and free when you're all sleeping. :P
But okay, I won't definitively rule it out.
Maybe we can play a mp game together. I'll send gamersgate an email tonight about my payment problem (or should I send that email to paynova :unsure: )
$3.50!? I thought my $15 retail copy was cheap
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 16, 2009, 01:06:56 AM
$3.50!? I thought my $15 retail copy was cheap
Heh if habbuku hadn't told me I'd have payed to $29.99 for a digital dl'd tonight.
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 01:16:10 AM
Heh if habbuku hadn't told me I'd have payed to $29.99 for a digital dl'd tonight.
Basic rule of thumb before buying anything that's been out for longer than a month : check three difference places. Then check three more.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 01:17:13 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 01:16:10 AM
Heh if habbuku hadn't told me I'd have payed to $29.99 for a digital dl'd tonight.
Basic rule of thumb before buying anything that's been out for longer than a month : check three difference places. Then check three more.
I'm an American and demand instant gratification!
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 01:17:13 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 01:16:10 AM
Heh if habbuku hadn't told me I'd have payed to $29.99 for a digital dl'd tonight.
Basic rule of thumb before buying anything that's been out for longer than a month : check three difference places. Then check three more.
That's for hard copies though right, there isn't another place for a digital download than Gamersgate is there? (Steam maybe?)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 16, 2009, 01:21:40 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 01:17:13 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 01:16:10 AM
Heh if habbuku hadn't told me I'd have payed to $29.99 for a digital dl'd tonight.
Basic rule of thumb before buying anything that's been out for longer than a month : check three difference places. Then check three more.
That's for hard copies though right, there isn't another place for a digital download than Gamersgate is there? (Steam maybe?)
And Direct2Drive. that I know of at least.
Yeah, the cheapest digital download that I found was 16.67 from Gamersgate.
I am in, assuming we play Heir to the Throne, altough I see this is becoming an American game. I may have a couple of free hours on weekday evenings (GMT), more on weekends, well, Sunday at least, plus I will be at home during the holidays.
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 02:44:55 AM
I am in, assuming we play Heir to the Throne, altough I see this is becoming an American game. I may have a couple of free hours on weekday evenings (GMT), more on weekends, well, Sunday at least, plus I will be at home during the holidays.
You got a problem with America bub? But seriously with the slant of NA to European posters not too surprised, but then again it is only 7-9am over there :P
This could actually be fun. I presume it won't be with the latest expansion though?
What times would we be talking about?
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 04:26:21 AM
This could actually be fun. I presume it won't be with the latest expansion though?
What times would we be talking about?
The latest expansion is Heir to the Throne, and not only I will not play without it, anyone who plays without it (SP or MP) misses out on a lot.
If it's the latest expansion I'll have to buy it first.
And after thinking about it, if we start ~8pm Sat then I should be fine, that's 10am Sunday for me, so I'll probably finish eating breakfast while we play.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 16, 2009, 04:30:00 AM
If it's the latest expansion I'll have to buy it first.
And after thinking about it, if we start ~8pm Sat then I should be fine, that's 10am Sunday for me, so I'll probably finish eating breakfast while we play.
8PM what? EST? Thats like 2AM for me :P But of course its only me and Slargos from Europe so far so you guys go ahead and agree on a schedule and I join if I can.
Oh, and if we're doing electors I call Mecklemburg. :P
(Unless they've lost the CoT. Have they? :unsure: )
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 04:36:49 AM
Oh, and if we're doing electors I call Mecklemburg. :P
(Unless they've lost the CoT. Have they? :unsure: )
There is The Hansa now in HttT so yes they lost it :P
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 04:50:45 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 04:36:49 AM
Oh, and if we're doing electors I call Mecklemburg. :P
(Unless they've lost the CoT. Have they? :unsure: )
There is The Hansa now in HttT so yes they lost it :P
SON OF A BITCH.
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 04:36:49 AM
Oh, and if we're doing electors I call Mecklemburg. :P
Mecklenburg is not an elector. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Syt on December 16, 2009, 04:55:14 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 04:36:49 AM
Oh, and if we're doing electors I call Mecklemburg. :P
Mecklenburg is not an elector. :rolleyes:
Are you sure? I could've sworn they usually are.
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 04:32:05 AM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 16, 2009, 04:30:00 AM
If it's the latest expansion I'll have to buy it first.
And after thinking about it, if we start ~8pm Sat then I should be fine, that's 10am Sunday for me, so I'll probably finish eating breakfast while we play.
8PM what? EST? Thats like 2AM for me :P But of course its only me and Slargos from Europe so far so you guys go ahead and agree on a schedule and I join if I can.
Yeah, EST. But only Tim and I are in Korea, so everyone else will just have to decide who the like more. :P
I might be interested in joining, depending on the time of play
I could join a potential European game (need to buy HttT first though). American game times are usually too annoying for me, since I'm in Eastern European timezone.
I sense a European game forming. :shifty:
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
I sense a European game forming. :shifty:
My sundays are most probably free until at least may, so I would be up for an afternoon sunday game.
Is there DRM on the expansion? :P
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
I sense a European game forming. :shifty:
My sundays are most probably free until at least may, so I would be up for an afternoon sunday game.
Is there DRM on the expansion? :P
lol I dont think pirates will bother to release it :P I have no idea. buy it!
I would be interested in joining a game, though I'm not available for play from the 19-26. I'm in the CST; Good times for me would be the evenings (6-10 PM) and anytime on the weekends.
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
I sense a European game forming. :shifty:
My sundays are most probably free until at least may, so I would be up for an afternoon sunday game.
Is there DRM on the expansion? :P
lol I dont think pirates will bother to release it :P I have no idea. buy it!
Of course they will.
I'm still not convinced Paradox deserves $20 for another patch. It's half the price for one tenth the content.
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
I sense a European game forming. :shifty:
My sundays are most probably free until at least may, so I would be up for an afternoon sunday game.
Is there DRM on the expansion? :P
lol I dont think pirates will bother to release it :P I have no idea. buy it!
Of course they will.
I'm still not convinced Paradox deserves $20 for another patch. It's half the price for one tenth the content.
Read just the list of new features then wake the hell up :P
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323 (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323)
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Read just the list of new features then wake the hell up :P
Nice, it only took them 3 $20 patches to fix ping ponging armies.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on December 16, 2009, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Read just the list of new features then wake the hell up :P
Nice, it only took them 3 $20 patches to fix ping ponging armies.
*sigh* Okay, grumbler
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 09:58:13 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 16, 2009, 08:26:22 AM
I sense a European game forming. :shifty:
My sundays are most probably free until at least may, so I would be up for an afternoon sunday game.
Is there DRM on the expansion? :P
lol I dont think pirates will bother to release it :P I have no idea. buy it!
Of course they will.
I'm still not convinced Paradox deserves $20 for another patch. It's half the price for one tenth the content.
Read just the list of new features then wake the hell up :P
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323 (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323)
Does the new features comprise half the development effort of a new title?
No?
Then STFU and lower the price.
If you want to pirate it, you can probably find it somewhere
Quote from: Pat on December 16, 2009, 03:02:40 PM
If you want to pirate it, you can probably find it somewhere
To be honest, you're missing the point.
Again.
Back on topic: Who could make a Sunday game at around 11:00am EST, beginning in early January?
I should be able to swing that.
As could I, Sunday the 3rd I'll be back.
7am on sunday is wee bit early, so best of luck boys, should be able to get euros with that time though.
Quote from: Kleves on December 16, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Back on topic: Who could make a Sunday game at around 11:00am EST, beginning in early January?
That's what.. GMT -8? I could probably make that.
Quote from: Slargos on December 16, 2009, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: Kleves on December 16, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Back on topic: Who could make a Sunday game at around 11:00am EST, beginning in early January?
That's what.. GMT -8? I could probably make that.
It would be 5pm sunday for berlin/stockholm iirc
11am Sunday is 1am Monday for me, so no.
But you should be able to get most of the Americans/Canadians and Euros.
That makes us up to, what, 5 thus far? That's a pretty good number, and not unmanageable.
Beyond 6 that can definitely commit, we might want to just have a couple of people who could substitute occasionally.
We also need to figure out what we're going to be playing. Are we definitely sticking with the electorate idea? I'm not opposed to that, but it could lead to some dull rounds and, at worst, some of the major AIs might beat us up.
Quote from: Kleves on December 16, 2009, 05:12:13 PM
Back on topic: Who could make a Sunday game at around 11:00am EST, beginning in early January?
That's good for me, though I'll be out of the loop Sunday 10 Jan as I 'll be out of town; I'll need a sub should we have a game then.
Is the new expansion going to be a requirement?
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 16, 2009, 09:57:35 PM
Is the new expansion going to be a requirement?
I say yes, though I suppose that's majority-vote thing. Is there a reason (short of participants not wanting to make the purchase) to not go that route?
I'd be happy to buy the expansion, if it is a noticeable improvment.
I'm also not wedded to the electorate idea; I'd be happy to just play the majors instead, if you guys like.
I'm not discounting the idea of the Electors, but if we're going to play "majors" perhaps we should try to come up with a logical grouping so that there is guaranteed interaction amongst the PCs?
For example, if we have 4-5 people, we can do either a "Western" group or an "Eastern" grouping of powers. England, France, Spain and Portugal with Austria as the 5th for the former; Muscovy/Russia, Poland, Ottomans, Austria and Sweden as the 5th for the latter.
Those groups would ensure that everyone was constantly dealing with at least two of the other players, if not all of them.
I am in for Sunday, its 5PM for me which is just about perfect.
Regarding the electorates: I would be happy for that only if you guys manage to have some practice rounds with the new expansion at first. It would be cool, because there are now some real and strong profits from being emperor, but the neighboring AI majors will punish you hard for any mistakes, so I am not sure it's good for noobs.
Easiest would be a Western grouping along Habbaku's guidelines. Eastern is fine as well but the east is even more fluid than the west in the 1399 start. Countries rise to dominate the region for a decade or two, than get teared apart by neighbors at the first sign of trouble. That happens in the West as well but much less so.
I could go for that Sunday time too.
That'd work for me too. No strong preferences as to what countries to play.
So I think that's 7 that say the date/time will work for them.
What do you guys think about the scenario/expansion question?
I am only playing with HttT, IN is shallow compared to it.
As for scenario, if we go with electors, 1399. If we go majors, my vote is on 1492 or 1453
Just got HttT as well.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 09:41:15 PM
I'm not opposed to that, but it could lead to some dull rounds and, at worst, some of the major AIs might beat us up.
That would be a hilarious AAR to follow though, although not the most fun to play I will admit. But what's life without risks?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 17, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 09:41:15 PM
I'm not opposed to that, but it could lead to some dull rounds and, at worst, some of the major AIs might beat us up.
That would be a hilarious AAR to follow though, although not the most fun to play I will admit. But what's life without risks?
Besides, our reading enjoyment is far more important than their playing enjoyment. :D
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 17, 2009, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 17, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 09:41:15 PM
I'm not opposed to that, but it could lead to some dull rounds and, at worst, some of the major AIs might beat us up.
That would be a hilarious AAR to follow though, although not the most fun to play I will admit. But what's life without risks?
Besides, our reading enjoyment is far more important than their playing enjoyment. :D
Yup! :D
Though I almost always play a small country in the HRE so I'm used to it.
Quote from: Tamas on December 17, 2009, 12:04:33 PM
I am only playing with HttT, IN is shallow compared to it.
As for scenario, if we go with electors, 1399. If we go majors, my vote is on 1492 or 1453
Agreed on all points.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 17, 2009, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 17, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 16, 2009, 09:41:15 PM
I'm not opposed to that, but it could lead to some dull rounds and, at worst, some of the major AIs might beat us up.
That would be a hilarious AAR to follow though, although not the most fun to play I will admit. But what's life without risks?
Besides, our reading enjoyment is far more important than their playing enjoyment. :D
:P
I'd prefer majors, earlier start the better imo.
And the new expansion appears to be worth it, the AI is a real pain in the ass and actually does logical stuff now. :thumbsup:
Well I just bought the expansion so that gets my vote, and an HRE electorate game sounds most intriguing to me.
Alright, I bought H3T as well now, so I suppose we'll be using that. Now we just need to decide on the scenario.
Indeed; let's get some voting in, eh?
I vote : electorates, 1399.
I'd like to try playing the electors, but I'm not sure how viable the ecclesiastic electors are.
One of the beauties of the game is that you can't really predict what will happen. I mean, you certainly can when the majors are human controlled but otherwise... One thing is sure we don't want to play some one or two province minors. So given the number of us, maybe it should be "major electors and their neighbors" like Poland, Hungary, Burgundy perhaps?
Or we could just play western majors either in 1399 or 1453. How about in 1399: England, France, Castille, Aragon, Burgundy, Austria, and either Milan or Portugal? That would mean constant human interaction, well except for maybe Austria.
Well, I'm not sure how much point there is to having just some of us play electors. Is it possible to edit game file like it was with EU2? We could increase the size of the archbishoprics to make them more viable.
Playing the electorates could prove for an amusing game, though I think it might also be a short one unless the majority of the electors band together to smack down anyone who grows too large since they are all so small it will only require seizing 5-6 good provinces and you're suddenly going to dominate the rest of the field.
I'm in.
I guess it's still not possible to manually vote for the HRE?
I could go for either choice, but I'm not in any way a pro at EU3 so my electorate would likely fail horribly. :P
I can volunteer as a sub since I can make the occasional game, but I'd be lying to you guys and myself to say i'd be there every sunday at 7am :P
Quote from: Tamas on December 18, 2009, 03:29:16 AM
Or we could just play western majors either in 1399 or 1453. How about in 1399: England, France, Castille, Aragon, Burgundy, Austria, and either Milan or Portugal? That would mean constant human interaction, well except for maybe Austria.
Thinking over it again, it might be best if we went ahead and played a bunch of majors. I am wary of placing two PCs in control of Castille/Aragon, though--doesn't that practically guarantee that one of them will try to smash the other to create Spain?
Quote from: Habbaku on December 18, 2009, 12:03:23 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 18, 2009, 03:29:16 AM
Or we could just play western majors either in 1399 or 1453. How about in 1399: England, France, Castille, Aragon, Burgundy, Austria, and either Milan or Portugal? That would mean constant human interaction, well except for maybe Austria.
Thinking over it again, it might be best if we went ahead and played a bunch of majors. I am wary of placing two PCs in control of Castille/Aragon, though--doesn't that practically guarantee that one of them will try to smash the other to create Spain?
Well, I THINK that the only advantage of being Spain is Spain-specific National Decisions - one could check the files for what those exactly are. But in 1399, altough Aragon could be crushed under a joint Castilian-French effort, it is by no way chance-less, and Aragon has some potential to march up Italy as well.
Speaking of Italy, how about Naples instead of Aragon?
Depends on how many players we have, really. I think parking someone as Naples gets away from the interaction that we should be looking for amongst the powers, though. Aragon/Castille both being PC nations would, I think, lead to too much interaction--what is the likelihood that those two would cooperate the entire game?
Quote from: Habbaku on December 18, 2009, 12:49:40 PM
Depends on how many players we have, really. I think parking someone as Naples gets away from the interaction that we should be looking for amongst the powers, though. Aragon/Castille both being PC nations would, I think, lead to too much interaction--what is the likelihood that those two would cooperate the entire game?
Well, if played without arbitary rules to constrain themselves, I am pretty sure it will come to them ultimately fighting for Iberian supremacy, as inheritance will be out of question due to them both being humans. However, I would think that by the time there is a clear loser, another influental power will rise which can be taken over by him.
I think the Castille-Aragon-France-England-Burgundy grouping of humans will surely cause constant human interaction with somewhat shifting allegiances, which should be fun, but only we accept that one or two of us may need to switch mid-game due to being stomped by the others. The question is where to put the other two players. Portugal is iffy but could be done. Austria is also fine but limited interaction, and a very good chance early game to farm imperial authority and run away with the game.
I think the other possibility is 1492, really. Then you can do a classic Spain, Portugal, France, England, Austria, Russia, Ottomans thing.
I'm really not sure that would be really necessary. I mean, look at Eu2 games, albeit I've never bothered playing Eu3 in mp, by 1550 from a 1492 nearly everyone is interacting. I don't necessarily think bunching everyone together is a must.
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 18, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
I'm really not sure that would be really necessary. I mean, look at Eu2 games, albeit I've never bothered playing Eu3 in mp, by 1550 from a 1492 nearly everyone is interacting. I don't necessarily think bunching everyone together is a must.
Sure, I am fine either way. But for example, in 1399, you can't put someone in Russia, be it Novgorod or Muscowy and say "there, you will gobble up the neighbors and will go strong by the time you meet us" because that is some pretty hard challenge right there. Same goes for Ottomans altough to a lesser degree, while England and Austria has it realively easy.
Yeah, but they were saying a 1492 start, which evens the playing field a little.
Indeed in fact I outlined that possibility myself.
Quote from: katmai on December 18, 2009, 10:51:18 AM
I can volunteer as a sub since I can make the occasional game, but I'd be lying to you guys and myself to say i'd be there every sunday at 7am :P
Same boat here. I could sub, but no way I'm promising to be at my computer every Sunday at 8am.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 18, 2009, 12:03:23 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 18, 2009, 03:29:16 AM
Or we could just play western majors either in 1399 or 1453. How about in 1399: England, France, Castille, Aragon, Burgundy, Austria, and either Milan or Portugal? That would mean constant human interaction, well except for maybe Austria.
Thinking over it again, it might be best if we went ahead and played a bunch of majors. I am wary of placing two PCs in control of Castille/Aragon, though--doesn't that practically guarantee that one of them will try to smash the other to create Spain?
Quite frankly, I think any game that has players in both Castille and Aragon will be fucked from get-go. Neither will be able to get the upper hand without a crazy amount of blood shed, and by the time there is a victor France will have consolidated and there will be a 300 year early Napoleon criss-crossing the continent.
Players don't need to be stacked on top of eachother to have gainful interaction.
Either they need to be evenly spaced out so that everyone has a roughly equal opportunity for growth through AI countries, or they need to be placed in such a fashion that the people in the east are penalized by having many neighbours in exchange for having a free reign of the eastern AI nations.
A good question is also if we're expecting to play the game all the way through to the 19th century or not.
If I'm allowed to be a bit realistic here, I figure we get half a game at most, and in that time frame we don't really need a Russia nor perhaps really a Spain.
Given this it might actually be a pretty good idea to try out the electors game.
If we don't want to do just electors, we could do a central European game. Say Bavaria, Bohemia, Bradenburg, Venice, Denmark, Sweden, and Poland?
Venice seems to be an oddball a bit there.
Scatch Poland, then, and add Milan.
Quote from: Kleves on December 18, 2009, 06:04:07 PM
If we don't want to do just electors, we could do a central European game. Say Bavaria, Bohemia, Bradenburg, Venice, Denmark, Sweden, and Poland?
Sounds like a working plan to me.
Although I would probably drop Sweden and go for the dutch instead, in addition to adding Milan and dropping Poland.
Hope was raped and savagely beaten by the ham-fisted interns at Paradox who obviously did the coding for Heir to the Throne.
Turns out there is a chat bug in MP which crashes the game.
Beta patch fixed it but introduced a province selection CTD.
Keep your fingers crossed for the possibility of a patch in reasonable time. I don't see a big point in starting a game with HTTT unless we can actually talk to eachother in-game.
Quote from: Slargos on December 18, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
Hope was raped and savagely beaten by the ham-fisted interns at Paradox who obviously did the coding for Heir to the Throne.
Turns out there is a chat bug in MP which crashes the game.
Beta patch fixed it but introduced a province selection CTD.
Keep your fingers crossed for the possibility of a patch in reasonable time. I don't see a big point in starting a game with HTTT unless we can actually talk to eachother in-game.
I don't like talking to you in forum, why would i want to in game you slack jawed yokel!
Quote from: Slargos on December 18, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
Turns out there is a chat bug in MP which crashes the game.
That's impressively pathetic, even for Paradox. Hopefully Johan won't announce that it's WAD.
As far as adding the Dutch in place of Sweden, I would be worried that would mean far less player interaction for Holland and Denmark.
A man Ive played in almost all languish games and now Ill have to miss it :(
You guys better make AARs or...nothing but if you do it would be appreciated :)
Quote from: katmai on December 18, 2009, 10:04:17 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 18, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
Hope was raped and savagely beaten by the ham-fisted interns at Paradox who obviously did the coding for Heir to the Throne.
Turns out there is a chat bug in MP which crashes the game.
Beta patch fixed it but introduced a province selection CTD.
Keep your fingers crossed for the possibility of a patch in reasonable time. I don't see a big point in starting a game with HTTT unless we can actually talk to eachother in-game.
I don't like talking to you in forum, why would i want to in game you slack jawed yokel!
Why would I care what a wetback wants or likes? :huh:
The problem is that if I cannot chat I cannot do the trash talking for you when I beat your beaner ass back to Africa.
So there is a working 4.1 beta patch out now. What gives?
I saw some posts claiming that MP chat still crashes the game.
Btw, we could be different and play various Indian/Central Asian states between China and the Timurids. :osama:
Quote from: Solmyr on December 20, 2009, 07:37:09 AM
Btw, we could be different and play various Indian/Central Asian states between China and the Timurids. :osama:
No way.
After playing this all day today I'm confident that a game as the electors would be hilarious as the majority of the players would crash and burn, with the possible exception of Bohemia.
There seems to be way more warfare and the situation is far more fluid. It's much harder for a minor to expand fast.
If you want to do an HRE, play Bohemia, Austria, Milan, Burgundy, Brandenberg and Bavaria.
So the latest news on the patch progress is apparently that the 4.1 patch has been re-relased with a "fix" for the MP chat problem, that doesn't really fix the bug.
Still crashes, only now it takes a couple of times pressing the chat button for it to crash.
Someone suggested running it through steam (add game as "non steam game") and using steam chat which purportedly works fine.
It might be an alternative for now, unless they actually fix it before we start.
Okay so lets agree to start on next Sunday? Either with Steam chat or regular chat if it gets fixed
Is there a difference between Steam chat and MSN (f.ex.)?
Quote from: Pat on December 20, 2009, 11:08:46 AM
Is there a difference between Steam chat and MSN (f.ex.)?
You mean beside that you don't have to alt-tab to see Steam chat? None.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2009, 11:03:17 AM
Okay so lets agree to start on next Sunday? Either with Steam chat or regular chat if it gets fixed
I don't know that everyone is available next week.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2009, 01:00:27 PM
Quote from: Pat on December 20, 2009, 11:08:46 AM
Is there a difference between Steam chat and MSN (f.ex.)?
You mean beside that you don't have to alt-tab to see Steam chat? None.
That'd be a substantial difference, yes.
Quote from: Pat on December 20, 2009, 11:08:46 AM
Is there a difference between Steam chat and MSN (f.ex.)?
Steam chat is launched in a pop up window in the game. You have to alt-tab to use MSN.
Yeah, I'm not sure that everyone's available for this coming Sunday. I will be free if you want to try to make sure things are relatively stable in MP, though, Tamas.
I might be able to join for purpose of a test run, but I probably won't be available for an entire game.
After playing for several hours today using HTTT, I'm convinced that a major-powers game is the way to go. Electors may be fun to play for a cripple-fight type of scenario, but they are rather vulnerable against a concerted effort by, well, any major nation unless everyone's working together. Or it seems that way, anyhow.
Depending on how many people we get, what assortment do we go for?
I think a traditional England, France, Spain, Austria, Poland, Muscovy, Ottomans assortment would be best, but I see nothing wrong with people playing other powers of their own choosing. Since we'll likely do a 1399 campaign, maybe someone would prefer something besides Muscovy, for example?
This Sunday will not work for me.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 22, 2009, 12:07:30 AM
After playing for several hours today using HTTT, I'm convinced that a major-powers game is the way to go. Electors may be fun to play for a cripple-fight type of scenario, but they are rather vulnerable against a concerted effort by, well, any major nation unless everyone's working together. Or it seems that way, anyhow.
Depending on how many people we get, what assortment do we go for?
I think a traditional England, France, Spain, Austria, Poland, Muscovy, Ottomans assortment would be best, but I see nothing wrong with people playing other powers of their own choosing. Since we'll likely do a 1399 campaign, maybe someone would prefer something besides Muscovy, for example?
But aren't the new HRE rules one of the main points of the expansion? Can countries not in the HRE see how much authority the Emperor has and what reforms he's passed?
Just because the starting electors are weak doesn't mean you can't play within the HRE. Just play as the larger powers within it like I earlier suggested.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
But aren't the new HRE rules one of the main points of the expansion? Can countries not in the HRE see how much authority the Emperor has and what reforms he's passed?
Yes, everyone can see that in the HRE window.
I am with Habbaku: lets do a great power game, 1399 or 1492.
lol can I be: Ottoman Empire?
Quote from: Tamas on December 23, 2009, 03:04:55 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 22, 2009, 06:43:20 PM
But aren't the new HRE rules one of the main points of the expansion? Can countries not in the HRE see how much authority the Emperor has and what reforms he's passed?
Yes, everyone can see that in the HRE window.
I am with Habbaku: lets do a great power game, 1399 or 1492.
lol can I be: Ottoman Empire?
You should be, ya dirty Turk.
Starting electors are pretty unimportant, since any state in the HRE can become an elector (I'm not sure of the exact requirements, but probably taking out the existing electors is one).
I can go for great powers though. How would we handle Spain though? One player chooses to play either Castile or Aragon, or can there be multiple players? In any case I'd be interested in either England or Muscovy/Russia.
It has been established that Castille and Aragon is a bad idea, so Castille it is.
Quote from: Tamas on December 23, 2009, 07:37:25 AM
It has been established that Castille and Aragon is a bad idea, so Castille it is.
I've been playing Castille all night just to get back into EU practice, seems like fun.
Should we pick countries, or assign them randomly?
I think randomly would be best.
I'm not particularly averse to picking them, but random is fine too.
If a newb gets Muscovy randomly he will be so screwed it won't be funny. :huh:
Ok, so we have:
Kleves
Habbaku
Tamas
Alcibiades
Slargos
FunkMonk
Solmyr
Pat
Does that look right to you guys? We actually have 8 players, then, because I forgot to count myself the first time. :P
If we're going majors, that would probably mean:
France
England
Castile
Poland
Austria
Ottoman Empire
Muscovy/Novgorod
Portugal
Did I miss someone? Does that look like the correct roster? If so, we can start choosing/assigning countries. I think I would slightly prefer random countries, but either way is fine with me.
Random suits me. I won't be able to make this Sunday BTW.
Yeah, Neither will I, should be the Sunday after this one.
If we run anything this coming Sunday, it will be only a test game.
Alright, I'm rolling it randomly.
Here's the order in which I'm rolling:
1. Kleves
2. Habbaku
3. Tamas
4. Alcibiades
5. Slargos
6. FunkMonk
7. Solmyr
8. Pat
Here are the countries I'm rolling:
1. France
2. England
3. Castile
4. Poland
5. Austria
6. Ottoman Empire
7. Muscovy/Novgorod
8. Portugal
I forgot my ACTS login, so I'll be rolling it manually. If you doubt that I did it honestly, I can switch countries with you.
Here we go:
Kleves - 2 - England
Habs - 3 - Castile
*switching to 6-sided die; countries will shift up to fill vacancies, so we have 1-6*
Tamas - 1 - France
*switching to 10-sided die; each country will fill two numbers slots - ie 1-2, 3-4, etc.*
Alci - 7 - Moscovy/Novgorod
*switching back to 8-sided, same system*
Slargos - 5 - Ottoman Empire
*switching back to 6-sided*
FunkMonk - 6- Portugal
Solymr - 6 - Austria
Pat - Poland
How does that look?
What time is this going down?
I suppose I should go figure out how colonizing works.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 23, 2009, 09:33:17 PM
I suppose I should go figure out how colonizing works.
Did they change that much?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 23, 2009, 07:17:31 PM
What time is this going down?
Read the thread, sweet jebus man.
If you need someone to sit in for Alci or Funk in the test game let me know before sat so i can plan accordingly :P
Mother FUCKER.
I wonder if it's possible to christianize Turkey. <_<
But I will be: Ottomans.
Quote from: Slargos on December 24, 2009, 04:56:21 AM
Mother FUCKER.
I wonder if it's possible to christianize Turkey. <_<
But I will be: Ottomans.
Give in to the dark side!
Well, the crash bug still isn't fixed so I guess I have plenty of time to practice my Ottoman game. I don't think I've played them in EU3 before, and only once or twice in EU2.
Next Sunday should be fine for me.
What are the hotkeys for MP chat and is there any sort of private messaging in-game?
Quote from: Solmyr on December 24, 2009, 05:32:18 AM
Next Sunday should be fine for me.
What are the hotkeys for MP chat and is there any sort of private messaging in-game?
Chat is CTD bugged.
Steam would be a more convenient way of private messaging anyway, since you can set it up to have channels open to the people you want to PM continuously, whereas you have to constantly fiddle with the chat functions if you wish to do the same in EU chat.
Hence, I think using steam is a good idea regardless of whether they fix the bug or not.
I agree, Slargos.
And now everyone have more than a week to practice their respective countries, which I highly recommend to do.
I've been playing Austria for a while now. :P
Steam is fine, although don't you have to shift-tab in order to see the chat, which also obscures the game?
Cool. Never played Portugal before. : :cool:
Quote from: Solmyr on December 24, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
I've been playing Austria for a while now. :P
Steam is fine, although don't you have to shift-tab in order to see the chat, which also obscures the game?
Which is a problem if you're playing FPS, or a war against a player nation, but I think a lot of the time it won't really be an issue especially since you can still see the screen, though it gets partly obscured by the chat window.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 24, 2009, 11:19:07 AM
Cool. Never played Portugal before. : :cool:
Partition Morocco and Algiers with me? :)
Quote from: Slargos on December 24, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
Which is a problem if you're playing FPS, or a war against a player nation, but I think a lot of the time it won't really be an issue especially since you can still see the screen, though it gets partly obscured by the chat window.
Speaking of which, what speed MP is usually played on? I know I pause constantly in my SP games.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 24, 2009, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 24, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
Which is a problem if you're playing FPS, or a war against a player nation, but I think a lot of the time it won't really be an issue especially since you can still see the screen, though it gets partly obscured by the chat window.
Speaking of which, what speed MP is usually played on? I know I pause constantly in my SP games.
Games I ran, one step above normal speed was the norm in peace time unless slower speed was requested for conditions that would justify slowing down like civil wars or fighting several AI fronts at once.
Generally, slow down one step for one on one player wars, unless they are multi-theater and/or one of the players is a whining bitch. Slow down two steps (IE one above slowest) for multiple participant/front slug fests. Generally only slowest speed if one nation is fighting several at once.
Pausing to be avoided unless it's life-or-death serious IE no pausing to reorganize armies or consider which event choice to make.
People who have to pause a lot even on slower speeds really shouldn't play MP, as frequent pausing really fucks up the game for everyone.
Of course, this is all from EU2, and I haven't played enough EU3 lately to know the speed settings but you should get the general idea. This scheme makes most games flow along at a pace of 4-5 years per hour of game time during most sessions, and will occasionally get 6-7 out of a peaceful session but slow down to 2-3 if there's a lot of fighting (and or bitching and or crashing and or arguments about ethics and GM rulings) going on.
Slargos is a lying scheming biatch!
Oh in the MP games too!
But really I look forward hearing how this game plays out.
Quote from: Habbaku on December 24, 2009, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 24, 2009, 11:19:07 AM
Cool. Never played Portugal before. : :cool:
Partition Morocco and Algiers with me? :)
You realize, of course, that attacking Brothers of the One True Faith will be a painful experience both financially in the closings of trade centers (not to mention all the timber you will have to import to replace your sunk fleets) but also in losing several generations of your youth as a result of the furious rage of the Sublime Porte?
I'm just saying.
We will drive the mohammedans from the seas of Europe and Africa with grace and alacrity. Deus vult!
Quote from: Slargos on December 24, 2009, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 24, 2009, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 24, 2009, 11:19:07 AM
Cool. Never played Portugal before. : :cool:
Partition Morocco and Algiers with me? :)
You realize, of course, that attacking Brothers of the One True Faith will be a painful experience both financially in the closings of trade centers (not to mention all the timber you will have to import to replace your sunk fleets) but also in losing several generations of your youth as a result of the furious rage of the Sublime Porte?
I'm just saying.
Actually, AI Castile seems to conquer the Ottomans not infrequently given the screenshots I've seen at Paradox. They get dragged into Castile's North African War because they're defender of the faith and get smashed.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 25, 2009, 12:58:49 AM
We will drive the mohammedans from the seas of Europe and Africa with grace and alacrity. Deus vult!
That's what I like to hear. I suspect Slargos' Turks will be a bit too preoccupied with steady expansion into the Balkans and the heart of the Levant to worry about our divvying up the Maghreb. We just need to come up with something amenable to us both.
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
But really I look forward hearing how this game plays out.
Me too; who is in charge of writing the AAR?
Quote from: Habbaku on December 25, 2009, 01:54:05 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 25, 2009, 12:58:49 AM
We will drive the mohammedans from the seas of Europe and Africa with grace and alacrity. Deus vult!
That's what I like to hear. I suspect Slargos' Turks will be a bit too preoccupied with steady expansion into the Balkans and the heart of the Levant to worry about our divvying up the Maghreb. We just need to come up with something amenable to us both.
:shifty:
Quote from: sbr on December 25, 2009, 03:28:15 AM
Quote from: katmai on December 24, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
But really I look forward hearing how this game plays out.
Me too; who is in charge of writing the AAR?
I presume it will be a collaborative effort where each writer takes some time to write up at least a summary of their session if they don't want to make it too poetic.
For my part, I'm not good enough an actor to really embellish my exploits as the Ottomans too much, as I realized this morning when I attempted to write a trash talking post to those fucking Iberians but couldn't bring myself to do it.
I will attempt to forget which country I find myself in, and just get on with it. Perhaps writing it from the perspective of foreign ambassadors.
Quote from: Slargos on December 25, 2009, 03:58:51 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on December 25, 2009, 01:54:05 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 25, 2009, 12:58:49 AM
We will drive the mohammedans from the seas of Europe and Africa with grace and alacrity. Deus vult!
That's what I like to hear. I suspect Slargos' Turks will be a bit too preoccupied with steady expansion into the Balkans and the heart of the Levant to worry about our divvying up the Maghreb. We just need to come up with something amenable to us both.
:shifty:
Just remember, our Catholic brothers in Hungary and Croatia are under our protection, but we do not care what the Sultan does with various barbarians south of the Danube. :pope:
Quote from: Habbaku on December 25, 2009, 01:54:05 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 25, 2009, 12:58:49 AM
We will drive the mohammedans from the seas of Europe and Africa with grace and alacrity. Deus vult!
That's what I like to hear. I suspect Slargos' Turks will be a bit too preoccupied with steady expansion into the Balkans and the heart of the Levant to worry about our divvying up the Maghreb. We just need to come up with something amenable to us both.
God grant us the strength to destroy the Turk and the wisdom to partition his remains.
:pope: :pope: :pope: :pope:
So are we going to play with the 4.1 beta patch? Should I already use it or is it still bugged?
Quote from: Solmyr on December 25, 2009, 12:50:45 PM
So are we going to play with the 4.1 beta patch? Should I already use it or is it still bugged?
It is not bugged anymore and we should definetly use it.
Where do you find the beta patches? You don't have to do something stupid like register your game to find them, do you? :yuk:
Quote from: Tamas on December 25, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 25, 2009, 12:50:45 PM
So are we going to play with the 4.1 beta patch? Should I already use it or is it still bugged?
It is not bugged anymore and we should definetly use it.
:huh:
The accounts I've read state pretty clearly that it's still bugged even though Johan claimed it was fixed.
I trust bug reports over "fix" reports.
Quote from: Slargos on December 25, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 25, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on December 25, 2009, 12:50:45 PM
So are we going to play with the 4.1 beta patch? Should I already use it or is it still bugged?
It is not bugged anymore and we should definetly use it.
:huh:
The accounts I've read state pretty clearly that it's still bugged even though Johan claimed it was fixed.
I trust bug reports over "fix" reports.
I ain't not talking about the chat bug. I am talking about the click-on-a-province-and-die bug which is gone and there are other fixes in the patch we need.
Quote from: Kleves on December 25, 2009, 03:50:17 PM
Where do you find the beta patches? You don't have to do something stupid like register your game to find them, do you? :yuk:
I dunno if this is accessible only to registered users but it's in the first post here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451396
Yeah, I had to register. Oh well. Now, what do i use to extract the damn thing?
WinRAR or 7-Zip, I think.
I might have missed this, but have we decided on what year we are starting in?
Quote from: Solmyr on December 26, 2009, 05:52:53 AM
I might have missed this, but have we decided on what year we are starting in?
It appears it will be 1399. It has it's dangers but it will be interesting, no doubt.
Austria will have to deal with the issue of über NPC Bohemia, then a horse-race for the Balkans with the Ottomans (I think it is foolish for either of them to let it slip for the other).
Ottomans must end their war (which can end very profitably or as a trainwreck, really), and then comes the delicate affair of expanding fast while staying in green infamy (at around the time you go to orange, neighbors will start warning you, and they will gang up on you, making expansion very difficult).
Muscowy will be in the middle of the map's biggest clusterfuck and will have an isolated but very exciting time of trying to come out on top.
And the Portugal-Castille-France-England group will have a very interlocked early game together with Aragon and Burgundy. I haven't MPed that stardate yet so I have no idea how it will flow, but it should be quite interactive. :)
We should randomize 'lucky' nations as well.
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 26, 2009, 05:15:14 PM
We should randomize 'lucky' nations as well.
Why; arn't we playing the 'historical' lucky nations? No point in changing it to help the AI. :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 26, 2009, 05:15:14 PM
We should randomize 'lucky' nations as well.
That sounds like a bad idea in MP. Why risk some players being lucky while most aren't?
Does "lucky nations" apply to players or just the AI? And what does it do exactly?
Lucky nations should be turned off if possible. They give some pretty freaky bonuses to the AI that gets them (players not eligible) and it will make the game pretty uncomfortable for any player that has the unfortunate honour of being surrounded by lucky AI nations.
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 04:46:39 AM
Lucky nations should be turned off if possible. They give some pretty freaky bonuses to the AI that gets them (players not eligible) and it will make the game pretty uncomfortable for any player that has the unfortunate honour of being surrounded by lucky AI nations.
I agree
I could've sworn I saw HTTT for $20 on gamersgate the last time I checked but now it's €20 again.
MotherFUCKERS.
I hope their dicks shrivel off from the pox, and that they get surprise sodomized by culture enricheners.
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 07:07:54 AM
I could've sworn I saw HTTT for $20 on gamersgate the last time I checked but now it's €20 again.
MotherFUCKERS.
I hope their dicks shrivel off from the pox, and that they get surprise sodomized by culture enricheners.
You keep telling me that Paradox will never get another Krone from you?
Quote from: Viking on December 27, 2009, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 07:07:54 AM
I could've sworn I saw HTTT for $20 on gamersgate the last time I checked but now it's €20 again.
MotherFUCKERS.
I hope their dicks shrivel off from the pox, and that they get surprise sodomized by culture enricheners.
You keep telling me that Paradox will never get another Krone from you?
This is true.
I guess I could go key their cars or something.
Balance things.
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 04:53:42 PM
Quote from: Viking on December 27, 2009, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 07:07:54 AM
I could've sworn I saw HTTT for $20 on gamersgate the last time I checked but now it's €20 again.
MotherFUCKERS.
I hope their dicks shrivel off from the pox, and that they get surprise sodomized by culture enricheners.
You keep telling me that Paradox will never get another Krone from you?
This is true.
I guess I could go key their cars or something.
Balance things.
Hey, they made you famous. Why would you want to do that to them?
Quote from: Razgovory on December 27, 2009, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 04:53:42 PM
Quote from: Viking on December 27, 2009, 10:49:21 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 07:07:54 AM
I could've sworn I saw HTTT for $20 on gamersgate the last time I checked but now it's €20 again.
MotherFUCKERS.
I hope their dicks shrivel off from the pox, and that they get surprise sodomized by culture enricheners.
You keep telling me that Paradox will never get another Krone from you?
This is true.
I guess I could go key their cars or something.
Balance things.
Hey, they made you famous. Why would you want to do that to them?
They hardly did that.
Sure, I'm listed on IMDB, but isn't everyone?
Quote from: Slargos on December 27, 2009, 05:09:41 PM
Sure, I'm listed on IMDB, but isn't everyone?
Yes, yes we are.
Got HTT installed and I'm gonna take some time to look at Ottomans this week.
EISH is my checksum.
Do use the beta patch
I may have just gotten lucky, but in 6 years and accruing .4 inflation I managed to annex the Timurids' allies, vassalize Moldavia and Wallachia, break the Timurids into their constituent parts and subdue the Byzantines.
I did get 24 infamy out of the deal, and I'm not quite sure yet how that plays into things, as it seems my limit is 46. Infamy does seem to raise pretty rapidly in HTTT though, so I'm guessing I have overstepped my territorial acquisitions.
Quote from: Tamas on December 28, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Do use the beta patch
Do I have to download anything other than the latest beta patch, or does that one include everything I'll need?
Quote from: Kleves on December 28, 2009, 09:46:37 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 28, 2009, 10:12:04 AM
Do use the beta patch
Do I have to download anything other than the latest beta patch, or does that one include everything I'll need?
That's what I did and it runs, but I'm not exactly confident it is correct.
Quote from: Slargos on December 28, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
I may have just gotten lucky, but in 6 years and accruing .4 inflation I managed to annex the Timurids' allies, vassalize Moldavia and Wallachia, break the Timurids into their constituent parts and subdue the Byzantines.
I did get 24 infamy out of the deal, and I'm not quite sure yet how that plays into things, as it seems my limit is 46. Infamy does seem to raise pretty rapidly in HTTT though, so I'm guessing I have overstepped my territorial acquisitions.
Aren't you playing in Easy like I did? :D
And that infamy can hit back, altough it ain't that attriciously high at 24
Quote from: Tamas on December 29, 2009, 02:42:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 28, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
I may have just gotten lucky, but in 6 years and accruing .4 inflation I managed to annex the Timurids' allies, vassalize Moldavia and Wallachia, break the Timurids into their constituent parts and subdue the Byzantines.
I did get 24 infamy out of the deal, and I'm not quite sure yet how that plays into things, as it seems my limit is 46. Infamy does seem to raise pretty rapidly in HTTT though, so I'm guessing I have overstepped my territorial acquisitions.
Aren't you playing in Easy like I did? :D
And that infamy can hit back, altough it ain't that attriciously high at 24
No. I assume we're doing normal so that's what I'm working from.
When should one worry about infamy?
Quote from: Slargos on December 29, 2009, 02:54:48 AM
Quote from: Tamas on December 29, 2009, 02:42:59 AM
Quote from: Slargos on December 28, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
I may have just gotten lucky, but in 6 years and accruing .4 inflation I managed to annex the Timurids' allies, vassalize Moldavia and Wallachia, break the Timurids into their constituent parts and subdue the Byzantines.
I did get 24 infamy out of the deal, and I'm not quite sure yet how that plays into things, as it seems my limit is 46. Infamy does seem to raise pretty rapidly in HTTT though, so I'm guessing I have overstepped my territorial acquisitions.
Aren't you playing in Easy like I did? :D
And that infamy can hit back, altough it ain't that attriciously high at 24
No. I assume we're doing normal so that's what I'm working from.
When should one worry about infamy?
When it turns orange, basically. But if you check its tooltip you see it reduces a lot of stuff, so keep an eye on your stability.
I am beginning to see...
Curious, these changes are..
So are we on for this Sunday or what?
Check your sums, if that is the case. Better to come prepared.
I am still game for Sunday.
Sure. Who is gonna host it and what's the ip?
(And what is the sum and how do you check it? :P)
Quote from: Solmyr on December 31, 2009, 07:28:00 AM
Sure. Who is gonna host it and what's the ip?
(And what is the sum and how do you check it? :P )
Checksum is in the main screen when you start the game, lower left I think. 4 character combination that has to be the same for everyone playing.
I'm in for Sunday.
Well, I tried to install the patch, and now the damn thing won't load. The 7-Zip thing said something about not being able to delete the Eu3.exe output, or some such nonsense. Maybe I needed to apply another patch before the public beta?
Quote from: Kleves on December 31, 2009, 10:05:34 PM
Well, I tried to install the patch, and now the damn thing won't load. The 7-Zip thing said something about not being able to delete the Eu3.exe output, or some such nonsense. Maybe I needed to apply another patch before the public beta?
I didn't have to.
EU3->NA->IN->HTTT->HTTT 4.1b beta patch
Checksum is FISH. (though I could have SWORN it was EISH last time I checked.)
Slargos, every time you start a game and quit EU3 increments the first letter, so EISH - FISH - GISH etc. Means you have to restart EU3 every time to resynch.
Quote from: ulmont on January 01, 2010, 01:03:19 AM
Slargos, every time you start a game and quit EU3 increments the first letter, so EISH - FISH - GISH etc. Means you have to restart EU3 every time to resynch.
Oh!
Sometimes I wish I had the power of Dictator.
Damn, those Paradox people would suffer.
I would get very creative.
So do we all have to start and restart until everyone has the same first letter, or something?
And what time was the game on Sunday, again?
Quote from: Solmyr on January 01, 2010, 07:09:27 AM
So do we all have to start and restart until everyone has the same first letter, or something?
And what time was the game on Sunday, again?
8am for me, Noon on east coast of USA and 5pm iirc for Slargos in Sweden.
After trying to install the patch, even after multiple uninstallations/reinstallations, the game crashes everytime upon start-up. :bleeding:
Quote from: Kleves on January 01, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
After trying to install the patch, even after multiple uninstallations/reinstallations, the game crashes everytime upon start-up. :bleeding:
That's what you get for listening to tamas.
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: Kleves on January 01, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
After trying to install the patch, even after multiple uninstallations/reinstallations, the game crashes everytime upon start-up. :bleeding:
That's what you get for listening to tamas.
:rolleyes: is he using a Steam version or what? Just how hard it is to set your unrarrer to overwrite files? :P
Speaking of listening to Tamas...
We should get together for some strategizing, Tamas old buddy old pal.
For my first bargaining chip, I will consider not force-converting Hungary. :licklips:
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: Kleves on January 01, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
After trying to install the patch, even after multiple uninstallations/reinstallations, the game crashes everytime upon start-up. :bleeding:
That's what you get for listening to tamas.
:rolleyes: is he using a Steam version or what? Just how hard it is to set your unrarrer to overwrite files? :P
Well you and slargos wouldn't understand it is different when not using pirated copies. :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 06:32:01 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: Kleves on January 01, 2010, 01:34:42 PM
After trying to install the patch, even after multiple uninstallations/reinstallations, the game crashes everytime upon start-up. :bleeding:
That's what you get for listening to tamas.
:rolleyes: is he using a Steam version or what? Just how hard it is to set your unrarrer to overwrite files? :P
Well you and slargos wouldn't understand it is different when not using pirated copies. :rolleyes:
So you're telling me people who buy legit copies are actually worse off? What a disturbing concept. :homestar:
Why would Tamas care if you converted Hungary? He's playing France.
On that note, I would really appreciate a substitute taking over for the first session for me. This week is not going to be good for me due to outside factors, but I know for a fact that I'm game from then on.
If someone steps forward to sub, please PM me for my strategizing.
Quote from: Slargos on January 01, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
So you're telling me people who buy legit copies are actually worse off? What a disturbing concept. :homestar:
Indeed it's tougher for us. So feel sorry will ya!
Quote from: Habbaku on January 01, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
Why would Tamas care if you converted Hungary? He's playing France.
On that note, I would really appreciate a substitute taking over for the first session for me. This week is not going to be good for me due to outside factors, but I know for a fact that I'm game from then on.
If someone steps forward to sub, please PM me for my strategizing.
Well I would have stepped forward, but now Kleves has me scared to install the beta patch :lol:
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: Slargos on January 01, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
So you're telling me people who buy legit copies are actually worse off? What a disturbing concept. :homestar:
Indeed it's tougher for us. So feel sorry will ya!
Alas, I went ahead and let those fuckers jew me again, and my installation went just fine so you have no sympathy from me.
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 01, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
Why would Tamas care if you converted Hungary? He's playing France.
On that note, I would really appreciate a substitute taking over for the first session for me. This week is not going to be good for me due to outside factors, but I know for a fact that I'm game from then on.
If someone steps forward to sub, please PM me for my strategizing.
Well I would have stepped forward, but now Kleves has me scared to install the beta patch :lol:
Goddamit, clearly he set 7zip or whatever to automatically NOT overwrite files.
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 06:35:43 PM
Well I would have stepped forward, but now Kleves has me scared to install the beta patch :lol:
I think it's just him. I've had no trouble whatsoever with the beta patches and have only had the game CTD one time in all the space I've played it (and, considering the holidays, that's quite a lot of hours, actually).
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 06:38:59 PM
Goddamit, clearly he set 7zip or whatever to automatically NOT overwrite files.
Yep--pretty common error. If you're an idiot.
So who plays what again? I know I am France.
Roster currently looks like this :
England - Kleves
France - Tamas
Castile - Habbaku
Ottomans - Slargos
Alcibiades - Muscovy or Novgorod (his choice)
FunkMonk - Portugal
Solmyr - Austria
Pat - Poland
Quote from: Habbaku on January 01, 2010, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 06:38:59 PM
Goddamit, clearly he set 7zip or whatever to automatically NOT overwrite files.
Yep--pretty common error. If you're an idiot.
Of which this board is RIDDLED.
Why, there's one right.... there...
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lotrplaza.com%2Fforum%2Fuploads%2F62995%2Fhand_pointing.jpg&hash=11d3274c06bb68499f438d88f2948b795bc4e1c1)
By the way, Alci, if you haven't done so already, I suggest you start tinkering around with Muscovy. The earlier years can be fairly tough if you don't jump on the Golden Horde post-haste and take all the ungarrisoned provinces. You'll have to beat on rebels for a time and take a relatively large amount of infamy in the process, but it's the fastest way to expand your manpower base to a level that will allow you to kick all your neighbors' (except Lithuania) asses at will.
alright I have EU III v4.1b (EISH) for checksum on start up.
Habbu, if ya trust me to steward a game for ya, pm me your instructions. :P
I've been waking up at 6am anyways so this way I'll just stay up and drink some coffee. :D
So lets hope Kleves will manage to heal his EU3.
Because I think for the mighty trio of England Frane and Castille, there are far more juicy targets than each other. Namely: Burgundy and Aragon! Aragon is easily a match for Castille, and an unpredictable thorn in my back, while Burgundy reigns over monstrously rich provinces bordering English Calais, and is in general surrrounded by minors who can not defend themselves. They must be taken out as soon as possible, and I am looking forward for a negotiated settlement of the 100 years war to deal with that problem. I am ready to pay a resaonable price for the English provinces on my west coast, and I am willing to continue leasing Calais to the English.
So I'm gonna run Castile for Habs for first session, so we shall have to talk Tamas. :ph34r:
Oh and sorry for lazyiness but I know it's been asked and answered, who is hosting this?
Uplink speed of .8mbit/s probably makes my connection inferior for the purpose of this excersise. :homestar:
Quote from: Habbaku on January 01, 2010, 06:40:17 PM
Yep--pretty common error. If you're an idiot.
:P
I told it to overwrite everything. It said it couldn't overwrite the EU3.exe output or some such nonsense. I'll try installing it on my laptop.
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
So lets hope Kleves will manage to heal his EU3.
Because I think for the mighty trio of England Frane and Castille, there are far more juicy targets than each other. Namely: Burgundy and Aragon! Aragon is easily a match for Castille, and an unpredictable thorn in my back, while Burgundy reigns over monstrously rich provinces bordering English Calais, and is in general surrrounded by minors who can not defend themselves. They must be taken out as soon as possible, and I am looking forward for a negotiated settlement of the 100 years war to deal with that problem. I am ready to pay a resaonable price for the English provinces on my west coast, and I am willing to continue leasing Calais to the English.
While the House of Habsburg has no problem with France reasserting control over its unruly vassals, any annexation of Imperial lands will be viewed in a most poor light.
Funk! check yo PM's my flip-ican amigo.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 01, 2010, 06:46:11 PM
By the way, Alci, if you haven't done so already, I suggest you start tinkering around with Muscovy. The earlier years can be fairly tough if you don't jump on the Golden Horde post-haste and take all the ungarrisoned provinces. You'll have to beat on rebels for a time and take a relatively large amount of infamy in the process, but it's the fastest way to expand your manpower base to a level that will allow you to kick all your neighbors' (except Lithuania) asses at will.
Thanks for the advice, I haven't played a Russian since Eu2, I don't like my chances with a Poland player.
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
I am looking forward for a negotiated settlement of the 100 years war to deal with that problem. I am ready to pay a resaonable price for the English provinces on my west coast, and I am willing to continue leasing Calais to the English.
I would like a peaceful resolution as well. Here is my offer: 600d for each province, to be taken in two seperate wars. You remain allied with Scotland, so that I can kick them in the nuts, and don't interfere with me in Ireland. I don't interfere with internal French issues (although this excludes Burgundy). What do you think?
I also want good relations with not only my faithful ally Portugal, but with His Most Catholic Majesty of Castile as well.
The issue of greatest importance to us is the reduction of the infidel armies and his territories which threaten Christendom. As long as England, or any other power that matter, recognize this and can come to our aid in some manner then long shall we have very amicable relations indeed.
:pope:
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
Aragon is easily a match for Castille,
:lol: No, they aren't. Without France helping them, they go down like a cheap whore. Nonetheless, if you agree not to intervene in the steady annexation of rightful Spanish territory, I'm more than happy to leave off of interfering in French unification issues. All in the name of eventually counterbalancing the insidious English, of course.
Quote from: Kleves on January 01, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
I would like a peaceful resolution as well. Here is my offer: 600d for each province, to be taken in two seperate wars. You remain allied with Scotland, so that I can kick them in the nuts, and don't interfere with me in Ireland. I don't interfere with internal French issues (although this excludes Burgundy). What do you think?
Interesting. France is to pay through the nose for land they can easily take from the English while also selling out their counterbalancing Scottish ally and ending any hope of England having issues at home. Meanwhile, the English keep their largest continental ally well-supported (with the same French ducats that were paid out, no doubt) and France is kept at 2/3 the size they would otherwise be.
Castile does not approve of this, but would find it amusing if the French did.
Oh and also I presume I'm still suppose to add EUIII to Steam to circumvent the chat ctd? :unsure:
Yeah how do you add games to Steam again?
As for hosting: I have a 5/5 connection, but being a bit remote, perhaps I should not be hosting. Could give it a try though.
Speaking of which, do you know what ports EU3 is using?
Quote from: Kleves on January 01, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
I am looking forward for a negotiated settlement of the 100 years war to deal with that problem. I am ready to pay a resaonable price for the English provinces on my west coast, and I am willing to continue leasing Calais to the English.
I would like a peaceful resolution as well. Here is my offer: 600d for each province, to be taken in two seperate wars. You remain allied with Scotland, so that I can kick them in the nuts, and don't interfere with me in Ireland. I don't interfere with internal French issues (although this excludes Burgundy). What do you think?
I also want good relations with not only my faithful ally Portugal, but with His Most Catholic Majesty of Castile as well.
You can sell me a province without a war, btw.
In theory, I do not oppose leaving the Scotts to your mercy, but considering that I am the only one with the proximity, resources, and interest to protect them, my abandonment of Scotland effectively means giving you what, 5 provinces?
So here is my offer: accept that France is mine alone, and I accept that the British Isles are yours alone. I am willing to do that to such an extent that I will take the huge prestige hit of cancelling my alliance with Scotland.
However, considering that with this act I am giving you control over a much bigger dominion than what you are handing over, I am only willing to pay a nominal fee of 50 golds for all 3 French provinces under your control.
I'm not adding steam. :mad:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 02, 2010, 01:03:57 PM
I'm not adding steam. :mad:
Your choice. Just be aware though that there will be no way of communicating with you in game then.
Steam is the devil, I will not infect my computer, again. :pope:
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 04:47:11 AM
You can sell me a province without a war, btw.
I had forgotten that you can now sell provinces outright. I thought any sale would have to be amortized over a long period. Because that's not the case, I will be willing to cut the price. I'll sell each (of the western two) for 200d each. I consider Calais to be English, and not French territory. How does that sound?
Is there any reasonable way to communicate without using Steam?
Quote from: Kleves on January 02, 2010, 05:29:17 PM
Is there any reasonable way to communicate without using Steam?
No.
And read my post again :P 200d each is an attricously high price. Taking them by force is cheaper, frankly.
You guys could all get on ventrilo or skype or teamspeak and talk at one another, which would be better than steam.
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 05:46:17 PM
And read my post again :P 200d each is an attricously high price. Taking them by force is cheaper, frankly.
Can you make me give them up, though? You can take them, sure, but you can't really force me to make peace. And fighting me will leave to open to attacks from the Burgundy and Spain. What's more, even if the war takes only 2 years, it will still cost you more than 400d, with recruitment, maintenance, etc.
If you would give up your claim on Calais, however, (is this possible without a war?), then I would be willing to further lower the price.
Quote from: ulmont on January 02, 2010, 06:14:08 PM
You guys could all get on ventrilo or skype or teamspeak and talk at one another, which would be better than steam.
Yeah, except for private diplomacy.
Steam is harmless, Alci.
Quote from: Kleves on January 02, 2010, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 05:46:17 PM
And read my post again :P 200d each is an attricously high price. Taking them by force is cheaper, frankly.
Can you make me give them up, though? You can take them, sure, but you can't really force me to make peace. And fighting me will leave to open to attacks from the Burgundy and Spain. What's more, even if the war takes only 2 years, it will still cost you more than 400d, with recruitment, maintenance, etc.
If you would give up your claim on Calais, however, (is this possible without a war?), then I would be willing to further lower the price.
Yes, we can spiral each other into insane war exhaustion, that is exactly what I am trying to avoid, but I am not paying you huge sums to give you free reign in your sphere of inluence. No way.
Clearly, only Spanish intervention can hope to break this deadlock.
Gentlemen, begin your bidding.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 02, 2010, 06:42:59 PM
Clearly, only Spanish intervention can hope to break this deadlock.
Gentlemen, begin your bidding.
England already has a torn in your side by his Portugal alliance. While I am -assuming calm relations with England- the most suited to help you quickly subdue Aragon.
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Yes, we can spiral each other into insane war exhaustion, that is exactly what I am trying to avoid, but I am not paying you huge sums to give you free reign in your sphere of inluence. No way.
I'll cut it to 200d, total, if you give up your claim to Calais.
I'm glad to see all this Diplo going on, but has there been any progress on who is hosting this in oh, 15 hours?
:P
I wouldn't mind hosting, but I have to figure out how to do it first :D
What do I have to do for/with this gay steam shit?
Quote from: FunkMonk on January 02, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
I wouldn't mind hosting, but I have to figure out how to do it first :D
It's been so long since I hosted a game not sure i can help ya.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 02, 2010, 08:25:18 PM
What do I have to do for/with this gay steam shit?
Got to steam.com and dl'd their software :P
By the way, if you guys end up having port/connection issues, I strongly urge you all to download the Hamachi program and use that. It's a LAN-spoofing program that's incredibly easy to use and has always solved my connection issues for MP.
I have Steam, I have no clue how to do the whole chat thing. Can we get a quick run down on what I need to do?
Heh, well maybe slargos or tamas can tell us, as I have no clue either.
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 02:35:06 AM
Heh, well maybe slargos or tamas can tell us, as I have no clue either.
Oh, great, we're relying on the Europeans! :face:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 02:41:18 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 02:35:06 AM
Heh, well maybe slargos or tamas can tell us, as I have no clue either.
Oh, great, we're relying on the Europeans! :face:
Yeah and no idea who is hosting, I was hoping to try a test with host before game time, just to see how connection was*
*though Habbuku's recommendation of Hamachi quells most of my worries on that front.
Well. This is going to be amusing.
I tell you, when I was GM there was a zero tolerance policy on this kind of liberal bullshit. People made up their minds in the time allotted, or I made them up for them.
Of course, now that I come to think on it.. my reign of terror, like Hitler's, only lasted for about 2-3 years before I started to see signs of malcontent and rebellion.
BUT IT WAS A FUNCTIONAL COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THE GAMES RAN ON TIME.
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:41:14 AM
Well. This is going to be amusing.
I tell you, when I was GM there was a zero tolerance policy on this kind of liberal bullshit. People made up their minds in the time allotted, or I made them up for them.
What are you babbling about you drunken swede?
Re: Hamachi
It generally solves most connection issues with EU.
Re: Steam
1. Install.
2. Register.
3. Add everyone.
4. My steam contact info is [THED] Slargos /
[email protected]
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:48:52 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:41:14 AM
Well. This is going to be amusing.
I tell you, when I was GM there was a zero tolerance policy on this kind of liberal bullshit. People made up their minds in the time allotted, or I made them up for them.
What are you babbling about you drunken swede?
I am babbling about the fact that we won't have a host today, and that similar kinds of shit was not permitted in my games. :P
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:50:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:48:52 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:41:14 AM
Well. This is going to be amusing.
I tell you, when I was GM there was a zero tolerance policy on this kind of liberal bullshit. People made up their minds in the time allotted, or I made them up for them.
What are you babbling about you drunken swede?
I am babbling about the fact that we won't have a host today, and that similar kinds of shit was not permitted in my games. :P
Well who is in charge of this chicken shit outfit anyways, so i know who to complain to?
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:49:46 AM
Re: Hamachi
It generally solves most connection issues with EU.
Re: Steam
1. Install.
2. Register.
3. Add everyone.
4. My steam contact info is [THED] Slargos / [email protected]
I've dl'd Hamachi, so will see about that.
Steam, Slargos has been added as friend, but he's only one as I don't know anybody else's screen name/email :P
my screen name is katmai73
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:51:31 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:50:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:48:52 AM
Quote from: Slargos on January 03, 2010, 03:41:14 AM
Well. This is going to be amusing.
I tell you, when I was GM there was a zero tolerance policy on this kind of liberal bullshit. People made up their minds in the time allotted, or I made them up for them.
What are you babbling about you drunken swede?
I am babbling about the fact that we won't have a host today, and that similar kinds of shit was not permitted in my games. :P
Well who is in charge of this chicken shit outfit anyways, so i know who to complain to?
First order of business: Torture the thread starter for information. Even if he isn't in charge, he is responsible for getting us into this situation in the first place.
On the subject of Hamachi:
If one person needs to use it to connect reliably, everyone has to use it.
I don't know what it does to steam.
I'm not buying a game from steam to use their shitty software, I can't load friends.
Besides, whats the whole issue with chatting in game like the old days, or what not?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 04:04:59 AM
I'm not buying a game from steam to use their shitty software, I can't load friends.
Oh.
Well that's whack.
Can't you get some $1 title?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 04:04:59 AM
I'm not buying a game from steam to use their shitty software, I can't load friends.
Besides, whats the whole issue with chatting in game like the old days, or what not?
Crashbug makes chatting ingame very inconvenient.
That still around? Was looking for a mention of it on the forums and couldn't pinpoint it.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 04:11:51 AM
That still around? Was looking for a mention of it on the forums and couldn't pinpoint it.
As far as I know, yeah.
It's supposed to have been fixed, but MP community reported it's still very much unfixed last I saw.
Yeah, I found the thread you chatting in.
Well I'm gonna go grab some sleep before game (it's 12:30am here), hope we have some idea what's going on when i wake up :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 04:04:59 AM
I'm not buying a game from steam to use their shitty software, I can't load friends.
Besides, whats the whole issue with chatting in game like the old days, or what not?
You can get steam for free and you can load other games through steam.
Quote from: Viking on January 03, 2010, 04:32:25 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 04:04:59 AM
I'm not buying a game from steam to use their shitty software, I can't load friends.
Besides, whats the whole issue with chatting in game like the old days, or what not?
You can get steam for free and you can load other games through steam.
Apparently you still have to buy at least one game to get access to the Friends function.
I don't remember buying any game through Steam, though I registered some on it. :huh:
Anyhow, my Steam id is solmyr77
Right.
I'm assuming everyone will be there at the appointed hour, so I propose we simply try hosting without hamachi first with Funk as host given that he has graciously offered.
I've thrown a couple of pertinent questions to the EU MP community and they will hopefully be answered by the time we attempt to get this pile of shit off the ground.
In addition, I have created a Languish group on steam incase we do decide to take that route, which will make identifying Languishistas off yonder user lists a bit easier. I've made invitations possible for all members so those of you who join, kindly pick up the rest if you can.
Whoever's a praying man, start right fucking now.
I await the result here with baited breath...
Apparently the patriot funding exploit is seriously abusable. Should we ban it outright, or will it be an acceptable way of expanding?
Quote from: Solmyr on January 03, 2010, 06:08:39 AM
Apparently the patriot funding exploit is seriously abusable. Should we ban it outright, or will it be an acceptable way of expanding?
I was hoping no one would notice. :goodboy:
I think we should simply avoid it. The first time I came into contact with it, patriots spawned on their own accord in my war against Timurids and since the Tims were disintegrating at the time, and their minor allies had no way of defeating them even though there was only 3500 of them, they ended up annexing 2 one province nations and one 2 province, for a net result of 4 provinces BB and infamy free which is a massive advantage for the nations surrounded by a lot of same culture group minors. Austria, France, Ottomans and possibly Muscovy come to mind.
At one point, I spawned 5 rebel armies of 4000 apiece in one province and they annexed Dulkadir and ended up seizing the Timurid's lone turkish province and when it defected to me I also got 15 free regiments along with 3 leaders. At the cost of 6*60d that was a bargain.
So yeah, I think we simply shouldn't use it.
Another thing that comes to mind is avoiding fleets larger than 150 units, which won't be an issue until later in the game, but apparently they cause out of synch issues.
Sorry guys for not showing up, had a lot of IRL stuff going on the last few days and simply forgot; I hope I didn't take a spot someone else could've had. :Embarrass: Maybe it wasn't a very good idea of me to sign up weekly game with fixed schedule, but I'd be delighted to substitute some time or another if anyone else can't make it.
Quote from: Pat on January 03, 2010, 09:44:55 PM
Sorry guys for not showing up, had a lot of IRL stuff going on the last few days and simply forgot; I hope I didn't take a spot someone else could've had. :Embarrass: Maybe it wasn't a very good idea of me to sign up weekly game with fixed schedule, but I'd be delighted to substitute some time or another if anyone else can't make it.
katmai?